Are Trans Athletes Cheating?
Welcome to our pilot episode for Assumptions where we have Trans Athletes confront assumptions about gender Identity in athletics. Come back in two weeks for our episode on Asexuals!
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0:25 TRANS WOMEN HAVE A BIOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE OVER CIS WOMEN
4:29 THERE SHOULD BE A 3RD CATEGORY FOR TRANS PEOPLE TO COMPETE IN
11:51 TRANS WOMEN HAVE HIGHER TESTOSTERONE THAN CIS WOMEN
14:32 A MESSAGE FROM ANTHONY
16:02 TRANS WOMEN HAVE HIGHER TESTOSTERONE THAN CIS WOMEN (CONT)
21:55 PEOPLE TRANSITION STRICTLY TO DOMINATE AT SPORTS
27:11 THESE ISSUES DON'T APPLY TO TRANS MEN ATHLETES
29:12 TRANS PEOPLE WON'T STOP MAKING SPORTS POLITICAL
Thank you for bringing a conversation to the athletes themselves rather than pitting people against each other (not gonna mention names, but we know who). - trans woman & former athlete
It's not really a conversation when nobody disagree with you or challenge what you propose as "fact". I don't think you would have liked a 30 minutes video of people agreeing that trans woman shouldn't compete against biological women.
What happened to sex and gender being different?
3 trans athletes had a conversation. you dont have to watch if you dont want to.@@gianlucaangeli2905
@@gianlucaangeli2905 "biological women" 🚩🚩🚩🚩
@@ThomAvella if you cant define a biological woman then you cant define a trans woman
Anthony has always been great about giving people a platform to have their voices heard. This new format with multiple people conversing on a topic that relates to and affects them is just another incredible way to hear all walks of life. I'm a cis white male, so this topic (and other topics related to discrimination) doesn't necessarily relate to me personally, but I believe it's always a good move to listen to the feelings and perceptions of people that are on very different paths in order to keep an open mind and stay empathetic.
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I would argue that this topic absolutely relates to you! Cis white men are the primary target audience for sports. Even if you're not a sports fan, you're very likely to be around them. You can be the voice supporting trans athletes that we need!
@@Seaweedgirl1 no, people don't want mentally ill men that think they are woman in womans sports. In fact, we don't want them around woman at all.......Woman have spoken outright on this...Teams have walked off the playing felid bc of this and we support them.
What does cis mean
I would love to see an episode on Indigenous people. First Nations people, no matter what country, get so many assumptions made about them (I'm saying this as an Indigenous Australian, trust me, I know and hear it all the time). Anyway thanks for making this series!! These conversations are really important to have, especially when it comes to trans people. The fear mongering going on against trans people lately is horrendous. ❤️
That would be amazing to see on a channel with his reach! I'd love to see a discussion from indigenous people from different places (canada, australia, etc) and see how things are different and the same, depending!
I would love to see that too!
I love this idea, I am not a person of Native, Indiginous, or Inuit decent but I love hearing the stories from creators who are. There is so much lost history, stories, cuture there.
Some interesting assumptions might be "Native Americans are mostly gone" or "Pow-wows are only for Natives of a specific tribe" or "Native Americans don't believe in modern medicine" or "Native, Inuit, Indigenous, and "Indian" all mean the same thing" - these are some things I have heard Native and Inuit creators speak about before.
This would be awesome! Maybe comparing the varying experiences of each native group and their individual tribes
I would LOVE to see people with chronic pain. As a chronic pain suffers hearing people talk together would be great.
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There is no internal feeling that is exclusive to men or women (or boys/girls), what makes anyone a man or a woman is being either male or female and reaching adulthood. Their sex and stage of physical maturity makes them men or women, not some "feeling" they have. Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realising that their discomfort simply stems from not realising that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define. This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives). Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognised as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into. This "woman is a social construct" thing IS the part that validates and perpetuates sexist stereotypes - woman isn't a social construct in that sense, it is a word society has chosen yes, but to describe a PHYSICAL state of being, not anyone's emotional states or where they fall on some spectrum of masculinity or femininity. There is a fundamental misunderstanding here of what the definition of man and woman means. The notion that people need to live up to sexist stereotypes of what "real men" or "real women" are, is complete fantasy. The fact that many people act as if sexist stereotypes were valid ways of measuring "real men" or real women" is a problem with the individual and their sexist bias, not with the terms themselves, as the terms themselves have none of the expectational baggage that people who internalise sexist stereotypes associate with them. A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female. Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces/sports reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic. Why do you believe females do not deserve any spaces free of males? What is hateful about upholding female sex-based rights that were fought long and hard for? Believing sexist stereotypes define men and women, instead of their biological sex, is unquestionably sexist to the core, because you are saying men and women are not actually free to behave however they want but need to conform to these sexist stereotypes in order to be men or women - if you say no they don't have to act any sort of way as a man or woman, and being a man or woman has nothing to do with biology - then what are you describing by calling someone a man or woman? If you think it doesn't describe biology, and doesn't describe anything about their looks or behaviour, then what on earth are you basing defining anyone as a man or woman on??? Why would a man need to become a "trans woman" in order to be their "authentic selves", why can't they just be a very feminine man and dress/act however they want?
@@ambientjohnny you are wasting your useless breath.
I stopped playing sports bc Im trans. I miss playing soccer competitively, but I know that there are no co-ed sports available for me. I'm a trans man. If I played in the female team, I'd kick their asses. If I played on the men's team, I could be comfortable, but would they? Personally, I think CO-Ed sports are important. Not just competitively, but to promote healthly activities to transfolk, who may feel turned away by fitness due to how other people view them.
As a trans dude, I'm perfectly comfortable with my body I just don't like when others judge my body because it makes me anxious.
I totally agree with you @viknightingale552 ^^ And I would like to add : I'm waiting for the day where the trans category in sports would be finally created.
I agree. I see co-ed sports as a necessary step to challenge discrimination and encourage the rawness of competition.
Being a trans guy on a men's team, you would have to work 5x as hard to be at their physical levels and that'd be unfair to you. That's why I quit sports because the disadvantages were too large to ignore.
@@eddiestefon7041would you though? trans men who are on testosterone have similar hormone levels to cis men, so they'd have to put in about the same amount of effort as far as I know
I love the “I Spent A Day With” series and it’s so cool to see people that have been there talk together about things they have in common! I would love to see an “Assumptions” about people with Chronic Pain or an Invisible Illness as someone who deal with both I have had so many assumptions about me that just are not right or make no sense.
Hearing people who are ACTUALLY TRANS talk about this is so refreshing, because not once did any of them start getting defensive, yell, interrupt or talk over each other, or storm out of the conversation when it didn’t go their way. It’s so nice to see people who are able to have a calm and insightful discussion about this. I hope that people who praise discrimination start to watch your videos. And thank you to the man and two women who gave such a great discussion.
That's because there was noone arguing against them. This is just an echo chamber, it has no bearing on reality because there is no challenge. It's just people saying things, without any sort of challenge or debate this is just a cash grab video for y'all tik tok addicts.
@@frankcaggiano8282There’s still beauty in these kind of videos even if it’s an echo chamber.
@@timothyyu6558 for sure, but the intent is to just push the narrative and spread misinformation and emotionally charged ragebait, which I think is irresponsible.
@@frankcaggiano8282 That's literally the only chance we get to talk about it. All other scenarios we just get shut down or silenced because no one dares to listen to what we have to say.
@@wootkennziz6914 this is so patently false it hurts. Literally every second tik tok is about trans this, twitter posts about trans that, it's talked about HEAVILY on every social media platform on the planet. Let's be real here
i would LOVE to hear from autistic adults!!! i myself am one of them, and i feel like there’s many misconceptions about us
Same! I’m autistic and ADHD.
I came here to say the same thing!
@@saxenart Hey, me too. :)
I'm all for it as a person with Aspergers.
@@Nicky2414 aspergers is just autism. Please don’t use aspergers anymore because it’s a natzi term and an outdated term. It’s not in the dsm-5 and it’s not used to diagnose people anymore.
I love that it was just them in the room (no offense to Anthony lol) because it felt like u k it wasn't an interview although they were answering questions, it was almost like it was just them chatting in a safe space with no judgement and thats why i love this set up. Well done to the three of u for speaking up about it and not letting the fear of judgement get to u and well-done to Anthony for the set up ect good job!
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he uploaded an echo chamber conversation, didn't partake cuz this needs opposition, and Anthony only ever nods and asks questions and reiterates what someone already said or assumes what they're gonna say in next 1min
@@wasd3108Although this only had people from one side, there is a reason for that. It’s not meant to be an argument it’s meant to show a side that is often silenced. The women here are athletes who have done research on this topic and are therefore credible. It would be more of an echo chamber if they were only giving opinions and not stating facts. The whole point of Assumptions is to clear up any confusion that there is about a minority group. It would be kind of silly to include people who cannot relate and people who have different experiences.
@@bean6725 "It would be kind of silly to include people who cannot relate and people who have different experiences." experience the facts or relate to the facts? ;D Ends in bias. Love it
@@wasd3108 Yes it ends in “bias” because this is not a debate. No matter who is talking, there will always be “bias”. I’m using quotes around the word because you are getting their individual lived experiences confused with the word itself. The difference here is that you see their experience as biased. I can see your point though because everyone is more likely to form opinions based SOLELY on their own experiences. But they aren’t just doing that. If they were taking a stance but not providing any evidence/support, it would be a biased claim.
I love this idea Anthony, experiencing the conversation between people with shared experiences is completely different to watching them be interviewed.
Been hearing about this issue for years. Never seen a group of trans athletes actually get to talk about it directly
It's awful that this issue directly affects THEM but they never get too talk about it themselves.
Hearing them talk about the topic and make really bad arguments is helpful. They presented their best arguments and revealed how weak their arguments are. A sex-segregated category for women (individuals born with a female reproductive structure) and an open category is the only way to go.
@@Nocturne22 Hearing them talk about the topic and make really bad arguments is helpful. They presented their best arguments and revealed how weak their arguments are. A sex-segregated category for women (individuals born with a female reproductive structure) and an open category is the only way to go.
Yes and every argument was dishonest/ full of fallacies. Seriously. Every point. Name the STRONGEST point you think they made. Go ahead.
When you said you were doing a Asexual verion next week, I audibly squealed!
I am so excited!!🖤🩶🤍💜
ace rep omg
lowkey excited - ace ally
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I don't know if you already did these groups of people, but could you do episodes about: 1. Teachers 2. Polyglots 3. International Students who attend foreign schools. 4. International Teachers AKA American teachers who teach in Asia 5. People who survived near death experiences 6. People who survived extreme natural disasters 7. Burn victims and amputees, physically disabled people due to an incident 8. Su!c!de attempt survivors 9. Homicide detectives and examiners 10. Animators 11. Hospice care workers 12. P*rn actors 13. Farmers 14. Physical Trainers 15. Former Spies 16. Martial Art Experts 17. Uber & Lyft drivers 18. Sex Therapists 19. Acupuncturists, Massage Therapists, Reiki Practitioners, Chiropractors, Physical Therapists 20. Local State, County, City, Politics 21. Visual Artists 22. Social Justice Activists 23. Terminally Ill people 24. Animal Rescuers 25. National Park Workers 26. People who are raised by LGBTQ+ parents 27. Indigenous people who have lived on reservations 28. Race car drivers 29. Lifeguards 30. Professional Sports Athletes ie. Football or Soccer players I know super random list and you probs already did some but here ya go!
This a new series and the only groups he conformed is gay posters and furries
@@noahvercetti7959and asexuals as well! But these ideas are great too
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I was so caught off guard when Anthony popped up midway through. I WAS INVESTED IN THE CONVO!
We loved the interview with DID systems. Would love to have a conversation like this between plurals, especially also with those who identify as multiple outside of the clinical context. That would help so much against stigma and pathologisation of the condition, and give people a better understanding of plural to plural interactions!
Please do Assumptions on Trans men and Trans masc individuals. So many ppl have said shit like " your just a tomboy" "you didn't have a dad that's why..." Yada yada yada. Id love to see trans masculine and trans men talk about it.
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Yes! Especially feminine or gay trans guys who don’t fit that narrative whatsoever.
thats like 1% of the 1% so prob wont happen fun fact 99% of the population never was in a mental health facility remember to diversify your friend group a short term happynes/=longterm
@@TheTruePlaguethat's not really 1% of 1%, but about 50% of 1%. also your fun fact has nothing to do with this unless you are trying to pursue an agenda
@@umtic how is 0.5% of the global population trans athleats
I mean.. sounds like the solution is improving technology and healthcare for trans people's affirming care.
No bc trans "affirming" care is harming and killing trans people and kids
@@carmen3091 all the evidence points to the opposite, actually.
@@snowballeffect7812what how? Can u see this evidence.
Why are sex and gender only different when it's convenient for them?
im sorry@@MicrowavedFurby
Anthony took the "is not my place to talk" to a whole new level,dude is straight up no in the conversation.
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He is providing his platform for needed conversations, while also giving people the protagonism they deserve. Something so basic and respectful, yet not many people do it.
@@liliveliz4153lol this room is full of people with the same opinion. Straight away it lost me.
@@user-il3mv5kt3s because they're the ones affected by legislation and hatred the most. Ofc it's going to be similar opinions. Plus they're the ones who are trans. This series is supposed to be a conversation (not a debate, there's a difference between the two) about assumptions and misconceptions about groups of people.
I loved this episode. it was made so well and I love the concept of the new Assumptions series. can't wait to see more!
Picking such a controversial one as episode 1 is ballsy
I really like how great this conversation flows from point to point. They are also very good at taking turns talking. AND they are great at slowly showing their own selves, what they do, and their experiences!
That’s because it’s not a debate
Why are sex and gender only different when it's convenient for them?
It's just a circle jerk of people agreeing with each other
@@MicrowavedFurby they are always different what do you mean?
@@lokeyartistThen how are there are no biological differences between biological women and trans women?
A video on how to legally cheat!
Exactly
This is amazing, there are so many great groups you could bring to this show format
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Thanks for doing this, Anthony. I can't believe you went from belting the Pokémon Theme Song in a cringey movie to giving a space to oppressed groups of people. Keep up the good work🙌
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Cringey? Without that video you probably wouldn’t be here right now. That video alone is what made a lot of people get into KZhead.
Oppressed?
@@michaelg6455 did they stutter
@@mshoney9301 they are the opposite of oppressed, they are celebrated and given special treatment. Just because some people don’t like you doesn’t make you oppressed.
Anthony this new series sounds amazing, I'm so excited to see what's coming up in the future! (Also I'm so excited to see Shubble)
I do like this type of format because it's different than usual. It's not a debate, it's more like a documentary. Hearing their points of view is appreciated.
Great work Nicole! This is an excellent new format. Looking forward to seeing more discussions like this one.
If someone was transitioning for the sole reason to play sports and nothing else that would be weird and is not a thing. No one is putting themself through that just to maybe be better at a sport. They just want to do what makes them happy, who are we for making others feel less than because they are going through a different journey.
Their pursuit of happiness shouldn't trump every one elses. By letting a transwoman compete in womens sports, it makes all the hard work and effort of the other women meaningless. Feminists should be enraged!
@@AraanorCategorically wrong
I don't identify as a feminist bc that group has been corrupted too. That's the thing, men are dressing like women and claiming that makes them a woman. No real commitment needed to walk into a locker room and expose yourself in front of kids in spas. It happens.
@mythicalthings1796 how their right look at Fallon fox in mma broke a woman's skull a ridiculous advantage in sports
@@potatobro_the_fifth2045 So I’m not sure if you are aware, but orbital fractures tend to happen in a sport where two competitors punch each other in the face over and over. Just a thought.
Love the new format. Thank you for all the work that went into it, and for the guests insights.
I don't really care about this issue since I don't watch sports but I think it would be more interesting for a discussion to take place rather than 3 people agreeing with each other for 30 minutes. It just feels like I am missing info because I don't know anything about sports.
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I feel like you wouldn’t say this about people you agree with
I’ve been watching your stuff for a long time Anthony but I’ve never actually subscribed for some reason. As a trans woman I loved this open and honest conversation that allowed people actually affected by these issues to speak on them. This video made me finally subscribe
This is amazing Anthony! I can’t wait to get more of this series. You do such good work and inspire me to make good change in the world. Keep on being amazing Anthony ❤
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Great job! One may be tempted to ask where Anthony is, but this time it makes a lot of sense for him to sit it out. Excellent opening episode, cheers.
Great video! I’d love to see an Assumptions video about autism in the future
i'm in full support of trans people in their transition and the overall decision to be more of who they are inside, but a big point i have as to trans athletes, specifically MtF, participating in leagues of their assigned gender is the fact that, most major sports leagues like the NBA and the NFL already have no restrictions on gender yet they are male dominated. if there was no disadvantage to being born a female over male, the WNBA would not exist at all because any woman can qualify for the NBA, but none of them can even compete and that's why we need an entirely different league.
They’re saying the advantage can be eliminated via testosterone suppression
@@Kylek1133male puberty isn't reversible and where the advantage comes from... and kids shouldn't stop their natural puberty for many reasons.... so it's just never going to be fair.
@@amirrhodesve791 why shouldn’t kids stall off their puberty? There are like minimal side effects. They can just stop taking the puberty blockers and their puberty starts up like normal.
@@Kylek1133 it can leave kids with underdeveloped genitals, low sex drive, underdeveloped mental ability... puberty blockers are banned in every Country other then Canada and America for kids ... why is that????
@@amirrhodesve791uh, no they aren't??? They're literally used for medical purposes outside of being trans lol
This is really great! I'd love to see some more sources on screen and in the description, this topic deserves so much more than half an hour
oh that would definitely be great
Especially since there is some missinformation. This topic deserves a simple fact check for some claims.
I'm so frustrated that this exact video has an unwanted PragerU detransition advertisement slapped directly underneath it. These algorithms are such nuclear waste.
Womp womp
@@christiankilduff1281 Careful, the school you're teaching at could fire you over that dirty language. lol
Loved this episode! i'd love to hear more about disabled (visible and non visible) and neurodivergent people As an AuDHD woman, I think society doesn't even acknowledge us sometimes, and there's lots of ableism that we experience everyday without people even realizing that they're being ableist, either in the way they speak or in the way that facilities, companies, or people's perception make it hard for us to navigate life.
Because you're literally the same as everyone else just wit ha disability. You're not special
outstanding production, thank you for giving people a platform to share their wisdom
This comment section is gonna hell or the most wholesome place ever. ... Probably both.
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Anthony out here doing this conversation the right way. Jubilee does it for the clicks and arguments, but Anthony is doing it for the sake of conversation
i feel like this and jubilee are just 2 different formats. anthothy's channel has and probably always will be about giving people a voice. meanwhile jubilee's version is a debate. i dont think it means that either one is wrong.
@@jolynecujoh2694 sure. I just mean that trans rights shouldn't be a debate, which is what jubilee is doing
@WishGender while i wholeheartedly agree that trans rights need to exist, i also believe that all opinions should be heard regardless of how wrong we perceive it to be
I am amazed that Anthony has been doing this behind the scenes while working on Smosh at the same time. I am also glad that he is shedding light on this topic.
This feels like something that buzzfeed would upload
Fr tho
Buzzfeed is shallow as hell. This is not
@@calci2679 it "feels" like. The topics are kinda weird. Nothing can be worse than buttfeet.
i was really confused when i saw the video format i thought it was jubilees but i definitely want to give this a try if this is something anthony is willing to keep up as a series, im on a road trip rn but i cant wait to watch it when i get home!
It's an echochamber
@@carmen3091 its not supposed to be a debate. Stop being a debate pervert
@@van7915 pervert? Lol no need to be dramatic
@@carmen3091that's the point. it's meant to be an echo chamber
I’m 1:41 in and already I’m realising the the biggest issue with this whole thing is no one reads the medical data. The reason British Cycling moved to ban trans women in women’s competition was because they did further research and felt that in their sport a year of HRT was not enough to nullify the advantage an athlete got from male puberty. Further research is being conducted but it is happening in a sport by sport basis, which is fair.
It was also due to focus groups just asking people what they thought in a community that is not known for being kind towards trans women which was their main statement on the news when they announced it There was also alot of criticism on the study they did as there is simply not enough significant data due to lack of trans women competing to reach much conclusion and outright ban and trans cyclists such as Emily Bridges were already parcipating in a study that was leading towards the opposite conclusion as their study Also the olympic regulation has always been 2 years of hrt before competing where it is know there is little biological benefit after that time period So it's odd they studied on one year and decided that's final and ban them no matter how long right?
He's created an echo chamber, not one of them cares to present opposing data because they all represent a single position.
It's funny how you transphobes can NEVER explain what these "advantages" actually are.
@@rachele183 are you implying that female cyclists are not known for being friendly towards trans women? Because from the Sky News announcement they only asked other women competitors. You’re not wrong on that point, however as pointed out in this video there will probably not be any significant data for several decades if we are going just by pure numbers because their just are not that many trans athletes competing and there probably never will be going by demographics if that stays the same as it is now. The Olympics want the individual sporting bodies to regulate their own sports with their own studies, while it has it’s own opinions it is only a competition at the end of the day not a governing body. If it was then sports like synchronised swimming and boxing wouldn’t have been single sex for so long. If you go back and watch both the British Cycling and World Athletics announcement they both say they they are conducting further studies and open to more data. Going by the British Cycling announcement thought it seems clear to me they were most worried about legal challenges, I’m guessing from “cis” women, which is why they rushed into these bans.
@@isoutoforbit first off I’m a woman and second off I’m very open to new data and studies proving me wrong. I gain no pleasure from seeing people be excluded because sport participation is a human right. In an argument it’s the group challenging the status quo who present the data technically, however the point of my comment wasn’t to reference any particular study but to point out that what she said was inaccurate. These governing bodies changed their policies due to doing their own studies. The same can’t be said for these states and their new anti trans laws which from what I can see are mostly political posturing. Each sport has a duty to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. For example the ISU didn’t change their trans inclusion policy and their will be many sports that won’t have to either.
Thank god that people who would be affected by the decisions regarding this issue are the ones talking about this topic. I know next to nothing in regards to this topic, so this also gives me an opportunity to learn more about the topic, even though I’m already on their side for the equality they’re fighting for.
I'm so glad to see people like Anthony use their platform and influence for important things like this.
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the important part is to get mentally ill men that think they are woman OUT of woman's sports or any area deemed solely for woman!!! There's over 4 billion woman on this planet and the mentally ill group isn't even a fraction of a half percent of that......this group of men should not be allowed to bully their way into these areas and disrupt woman's lives.!!!
Glad you are framing this conversation in a way where they get to lead the conversation on their terms.
This is sarcasm, right?
@@shrimpinainteasy7370No, trans people are always talked over in this conversation, one that contains only trans voices is actually a good thing.
@@shrimpinainteasy7370why would it be sarcastic?
@@nickyheartbecause this style will just create echo chambers. It's not positive even if you agree with what they are saying
@@gianlucaangeli2905 You use that term, but I don't think you know what it means.
Loving this! and looking forward to more of this series! i would be interested in an assumptions episode on kink with all that no kink at pride controversity and all.. also if at all possible an episode on did systems? although that might be hard to do.
I’d be really interested in that first topic. Though personally my opinion is to separate pride based on when kink is and isn’t allowed, so that everyone is of age and consenting to possibly see kink gear. I’ve heard a lot of interesting opinions on it though, I’d love to hear more.
Kink is too involved in the community. I am part of the community and have seen many others like me that don't like drag or a lot of the sexual parts about it during pride.
@MrRandomCan that's the thing, I can't even go to a pride event without feeling uncomftortable or seeing kids at the front of a drag stage. All this can't be avoided that's why I don't consider myself an active follower of the LGB community. I call it LGB like other gay people do for a reason....
The "kink at pride" discourse is so incredibly annoying because to bigots, every queer identity is considered a "kink." Also, if it wasn't for groups like drag queens (which aren't inherently a kink BTW), BDSM peeps, and leather daddies, the queer rights movement wouldn't be nearly as successful as it is.
Gotta admit, I havent watched the whole thing but I don't want to either. It's great to give people a platform but all they do (up to 7mins) is confirming each other. There's a lack of discussion. Put people with different opinions in a room and let them discuss. That'd be way more interesting
The "different opinions" in this case would just be people debating if these 3 people exist. Human rights isn't a debate, we should be encouraging the talk of "different opinions" as if it isn't purely about debating these peoples lives with people that have no knowledge what it means or what it is like to be trans
@@Izzy-wl7gl That's not the people I'm talking about. It's about if trans women should participate in the women's category because of biological advantages so take someone who works in that field or is highly experienced. I'm not an expert so I won't express any opinion, but an actual expert could. And even if he'd be against trans people, there would at least be a discussion.
@@sozio1124yeah, I still think it's pretty inevitable that transphobes are gonna sneak into that discussion
@@Al_-cf1dj It really isnt. Anthony hand picks the candidates and he could make a picture of that person for himself. Not everyone who is against trans people is transphobic
@@sozio1124 true but I think it's valid to allow the people who are being talked over to share their perspectives without being pushed against (though I do think a sort of fact check with information popping up on screen would be helpful)
I love this so much. Thank you for including a trans masculine voice in this! Much love to you guests!
As a trans woman I would like to share my opinion if that's okay with the general public. I wouldn't go as far to say that trans women are cheating or that they should be banned from sports, but I do think that all athletes, trans or cis, should complete against other persons that match them in physical endurance, strength, and skill. To compete against someone that is lesser in any of these aspects is an unfair advantage over your opponent. This is why certain sports have different classes depending on the physical build of the athlete. If a cis woman has the physical build of a cis male then she should compete against those athletes. Same for a trans woman and vice versa for cis men who have a physical build of a cis woman. Same for trans men. Sports aren't really about showcasing your individuality, their about showcasing a specific set of skills. Unless it's an artistic sport like dancing or something like that, then it really doesn't matter that much.
I 100% agree as a trans guy
Facts
Thank you so much for this comment. The thing people, be it cis or trans, don’t understand is that gender and sex are and should be two seperated things. Its a biological fact that we are either born as (I mean our sex is either) female or a male and it doesn’t affect only the genetalia, but our entire development of the body. No matter what our gender is or how much somebody operated their body or shifts hormones the body remains. Its really, really not fair to have a trans woman compete with a woman if their physichal capablitiles don’t match.
Thank you yeah I was going to comment the same thing. They didn't touch on if you transitioned after puberty. The whole testing for hormones to me doesn't stop your muscles and build you got when you "were" the other sex. This is the only thing I have been lost on. If anyone can help me understand why it's ethically ok for a tans person who went through puberty the other sex doesn't have an advantage scientifically.
My problem is I know this wouldn't be implemented fairly. They aren't about to use fairness as a reason to make a basketball league for short people you know? It will just be used as a way to push marginalized people out of the spotlight like how chess and disc shooting are separated by gender when there's no biological disadvantages at play. Similarly they aren't going to make cis women take tests to see who they should compete against, it will always always be the trans women who need to take blood tests and stuff. The marginalized will always be seen as taking something that doesn't belong to them, even if they've earned it
Anthony Padilla is one of the nicest people and he makes me so happy ❤
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@@p-__ depends what you eat
The fact that there is systematic oppression and hatred towards trans people doesn't mean trans people in sport is automatically fair. I am not sure what to make from this pilot, you have three people agreeing with each other without questioning or criticizing each others biases of false arguments. To be fair, almost no KZhead video doesnt make these mistakes and everybody is biased.
I agree but the systematic oppression is really not systematic oppression for them it is delusion that is being rejected not the person… and thier oppressing themselves by staying in that dillusion..systematic???I don’t see how when trans people are still allowed to work it was made legal to change genders gay marriage is legal I mean there’s nothing they can’t do including be a whole biological male and play in women’s sports I’m not seeing the systematic oppression I see victim
I don't quite understand why people feel the need for another channel doing videos with "the other side" or opposing viewpoint. There are already channels like that out there. It shouldn't be an issue having to listen to (in this case) trans people just talking about their experiences without some cis person interrupting them. I am a cis person but I find it so refreshing to just hear them talk without them having to justify every single question from someone else who might've been uneducated. Because most likely that's something they already have to deal with on a daily basis, why can't this just be a safe place for them to talk about what they feel. In Anthony's "I spend a day with" series technically there's not really two different viewpoints either most of the time. So why is that ok and this is suddenly a burden to watch ?
Anthony and Ian is and always will be the GOATs 🐐 🙌 of KZhead!!! im also excited about the Disney adults
I would love to see an episode with Autistic individuals, there are a lot of Assumptions that I would love to see discussed.
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ok but like even though the HRT nerfs the trans woman a lot in terms of strength, how is it that the trans woman's inate frame isn't simply better? How is it that her size and height isn't always going to be an unfair advantage even if the trans woman's strength has been appropriately nerfed
I've read over quite a few scientific journals on this topic, and they unanimously agree that even with the appropriate 10nmol/L of testosterone (usually measured as low as 1nmol/L for trans women) as recognized by the IOC, Muscle mass isn't significantly lost or at all proportionally lost beyond the ~12% innate difference between men and women that's been measured time and time again. You'd be entirely correct in saying that the innate difference in frame plays a much bigger role than these women seem to be letting on to, overwhelmingly to me at least made clear by the fact that the first example given is professional cycling where the difference between men and women is as low as 16%, which was the third lowest across 25 sports with data collected, going as high as a 50% difference.
The change in frame isn’t innate. It comes in during puberty. Thus, it’s only an issue if the trans woman went through a male puberty, which is often avoided via puberty blockers.
Bruh haven't you seen the women that compete in professionals sport they can be fucking huge the simple fact is is that sports isn't fair some people are born with an advantage thats the facts
@@Walleyedwosaikyes, but they shouldn't have an advantage, because they are male.
@@Am-uj6qntake that one up with biology
Other communities to consider for assumption-ADHD and Deaf People.
Autism as well.
I’m so excited for what this video can bring to this channel I wanna consume all the info
Lia Thomas, Rachel McKinnon, and Chris Bruce
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Lia thomas hasnt won like that in forever since her transition's progressed iirc
Exactly. I was like "what? Do they live under a rock and never heard at least of Lia Thomas?"
@@AliceMGT Yes maybe because they are not a good athlete anyway. They tied with the biologically female athlete that one time even though Lia was way bigger. When Lia was in men's sports they were not doing well at all as an athlete.
If Ben Shapiro was 'debating' against ppl like this, he would actually break down lmao
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I would love to see a video centering immunocompromised people; there's a lot of assumptions made not just about how immunocompromised people should feel during an ongoing pandemic, but even before the pandemic as well.
Really proud to be a fan of yours right now Anthony. And thank you to these athletes for such an educational conversation. 😊
What a great start to what I hope is a great series, can't wait to see more episodes!
Loved this episode!! Would also love to see somethings discussing assumptions of unhoused/rough sleeping communities, especially after the recent statements from the UKs Home Security stating that rough sleeping in tents was a lifestyle choice (paraphrasing). I've done housing/shelter work for the last 5 yrs, and have seen similar actions taken by my own local government. I think it would be a really impactful discussion and hopefully will make people question their own assumptions about unhoused folks --- much love n thnx!
I mean it does heavily depend on what stage of transition you are on biologically men and women are built different so in early stages of transition when you physically have more masculine body you have a physical advantage, while trans man has a disadvantage. In contact sports i think there should be regulations for it since people genuinely get hurt. It is same reason why for example boxing has weight categories, so it would probably be for best to implement something similiar in this scenario as well.
Yeah itd be totally reasonable for there to be like a limit of "has to medically transition for at least 2 years". Just that no one really wants to research trans folks so they just ban us ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Those stages for the most part are regulated out of existence by rules and standards of that sport. It's a nothing burger.
But, aren't there already regulations for trans people? As you said, depending in what stage of transition they are. I'm actually curious.
@@LuenudCreaciones You have to go through years of hormone therapy, medical visits, extensive testing, ect. By the time they are allowed to participate in women's sports, any biological advantage that may have existed before is nullified.
This is my take. Sports should always be divided into gender/$ex-neutral "classes" of natural aptitude. All sports.
So much better than Jubilee, thank you so much Anthony! I enjoy seeing this kind of content from you and your team! So cool that Nicole is part of such amazing pieces of media, conversation, and education! Love, love, love!!!
My farts are better than Anthony's farts.
This was an echo chamber, not better than jubilee
@@carmen3091Jubilee platforms harmful people and tries to legitimize damaging opinions
Dude Jubilie makes conversation... this is an echo chamber... This whole video provided literally no value lmao this is a LITERAL ECHO CHAMBER
@Fadzom Dude. The purpose here is not to "spark debate", it is about making voices heard when a question concerns a specifik group (in this case trans athletes - therefore trans athletes speak in the video), talking about THE ASSUMPTIONS they face.
Yo this was amazing. Seeing the title I was a little worried, but then I learned about who you were showcasing and I was blown away! Thank you all for giving a voice to marginalized people for others to learn more about. - a trans person & fan
This is amazing I can’t wait to watch this series 😍👌
The upcoming PWHL (Profesional Women's Hockey League) allows trans women and non binary people to play in their league and that alone is some amazing progress for allowing trans people in sports leagues
Another subsidized league. Lol the women's soccer being subsidized and them still being mad, "why don't we get paid more" lol
I love that you're starting this new series, and it's awesome that the asexual episode is next week!
Thank you so much Anthony for not only using your platform to bring awareness to the issue but also stepping back and having Trans people talk about this topic. It was nice to see someone take themselves out of a topic that doesn't affect them and allow others, those who are affected to, and bring their voices to light. I don't think you understand how much this means to people, including me.
Always a fan of giving people a platform, but this feels like 3 people aggreeing with each other. I would be a fan of having two groups of three talk and then having 1 on 1 discussions between 2 members of the two groups
youre describing jubilee
@@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay wassat
Ill admit atleast your comment listed a format you wanted that is a bit different from most stuff, but imma say what ive said to everyone else. Cis people have gotten to scream their opinion on this topic from the rooftops without letting us speak. Damn near every piece of media made on this topic is just a room of cis people talking about trans=bad. Just give us this one. Call it an echo chamber if you have to, but let us have this one echo chamber. Cis echo chambers are far more prominent
@@CoraTerrion-lp7ki And I fully agree with you on that. I feel like these opinions and storys disprove anything any transphobe has ever said. I suggested the 1 on 1 Format because I feel like seeing transphobes lose this very obvious argument would change even more people's minds.
I'm interested in knowing when they talk about how trans women not having a biological advantage and trans women not having any higher testosterone than a cis woman has, are they talking about trans women who have undergone HRT? Might seem obvious, it was just never mentioned so I wanna know
Yes they are talking about trans women athletes who are on HRT.
yeah the studies they’re referencing analyze trans women who have been on E for 2-3+ years I believe, which is around the point where you’d no longer have a male body to the standards of competitive sports
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@@GavHernI think issue is that trans women went through male puberty that means your bones are structured differently such as density, size and etc So even after testosterone dissipates. You inherently have an advantage. Yes by decreasing testorone you will some bone density and size. However, the bone density/size will remain much higher than significant percentage of women.
@@The6th03 This bone structure and density argument is completely null because the studies that have been done conclue that there is no advantage at all, that includes any possible advantage.
The way that no one watched the video BEFORE commenting is really funny and telling like half of your so called concerns are mentioned in the video, not saying you can't have your opinions or disagree but at the very least you should listen to what you are arguing against.
But i wouldnt watch a 30 min video of transphobes discussing trans sports. Its pointless and just an echo chamber. You need a debate type setting for these
@@nozersit shouldn’t be a debate, these real people are having their humanity stripped from them and they could lose everything, while the “other side” pushes them down. if u wanna watch that go watch middle ground by jubilee they love giving oppressors a voice🥰
because you completely disagree with them. There's plenty of people who are in the middle ideologically. Some people might not think about trans people at all or even be trans supporters but still believe all the misinformation around on this topic. Here, they can hear what trans athletes have to say about it, instead of what transphobic right wing politicians have to say about it. @@nozers
@@steviek27Giving everyone a voice is important…if you don’t like that then why do you live in America when that is one of the biggest values this country was built on. You don’t like people you see as transphobic, people who are actually transphobic don’t like trans people. If you think people you see as transphobic don’t deserve a voice then they can make the same assertion about you. Freedom of speech means freedom of speech for everyone. What if black people weren’t allowed to speak because they were seen as uncivilized? (Much like how you see transphobes as uncivilized.) What if women still weren’t allowed to speak or vote due to being seen as inferior? What if scientists who believed the Sun was at the center of our galaxy weren’t allowed to speak because they were seen as lunatics? Progress doesn’t occur in a society that censors free speech…look at North Korea.
@@wigglewaggle3606 That fact that you see the people who are actively discriminating as the same as the people who were and at time still are being discriminated against is wild. Transphobes are not the same as black people, women or scientists because while they were speaking for their rights and facts, transphobes are speaking against rights and only take parts of things to back up their claim and deny things when given clear evidence. This is like saying " but how can you see 2 sides of the debate if you don't give a Nazi a voice and only allow Jews to speak". It's not about civility it's about being downright immoral and cruel.
Thank you so much for this episode. I hadn't had a opinion on the topic, so now I have more knowledge about it.
I'd love to see people with invisible disabilites who 'seem normal' or 'dont look autistic' for example, deaf or blind people who maybe dont look it I feel like theres a variety of disabilites people experience but arent always visibily that thing
Great to see a video where trans athletes are able to chat amongst themselves/with people who are already acquainted with the topic! Also, not every discussion is a debate. It’s not an “echo chamber” when three trans people get together to talk ABOUT trans ppl’s concerns. It’s called having a fucking conversation. By this logic I hope you also spam “echo chamber” every time there are only cis people in a video about gender lmao
Too be fair, all of Anthonys videos are like this. He never really brings up any counterarguments to the people he talk to. Thinking he would do so now is unlikely based on all his other videos
Echo chambers are when you organise an entire conversation with just people who agree with you. That is EXACTLY what this is.
@@thetrain47539like every single time fox or literally any other conservative media outlet has talked about trans people? Like when they get all the cis people on tv and all tell us how trans=bad and cis=good.
@@ProfessorPrelit's because Anthony's videos are not about debating and reaching conclusions, but see views and life styles of people. do you want people to debate in documentaries?
@@thetrain47539yes and what's wrong with echo chambers?
This is so refreshing to see. A panel of marginalized people that don’t need to compete with people who don’t believe they should exist. This show is what jubilee fails to be
1. They aren't marginalized. They're doing too much. 2. No one thinks they shouldn't exist. Yall are so dramatic with statements like this. People in countries outside the US, Canada and the UK? they are the ones who don't want you to exist!
@@carmen3091 There are so many people in the US, Canada, and UK that don't even believe being trans is /real/.
@@carmen3091bsffr did u saw all the laws passed thats directed towards trans people?
@@flameobmo Can you list the codes for some of them? I'd like to look into those myself
@@carmen3091 1. Those are trans women, who are a group that is currently marginalized in most countries. 2. There are lots of people who don't think they are real women, and should "return to being the men they once were"
i'm so happy to know nicole has been working on this, i loved her so much from the trans women video. :> representation!
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This is so valuable. Thank you so much 🌷
I would love to see people who left their religion. Any type of faith
I love when people who don’t do sports wants to decide what is allowed in X sport.
KZhead has become my cable tv, I love watching “shows” like this on here! and as a trans person, I really appreciate these conversations!! thank you Anthony!
This series is an awesome concept-here's hoping it finds enough success to keep going and giving a wonderful platform to many marginalized groups!
Very informative... even as a mum to a trans kid, I'm still learning. I'm looking forward to seeing some shorts from this conversation (so I can send them to the uninformed).
This is such a comforting comment. I hope you & your child are doing well, and thank you for educating yourself!
Take this for what it is, coffee talk. The slavery evolution thing it's bs propaganda
@@zerothehero3426 i know it's uncomfortable to think about but slave owners did actually breed their slaves as though they were livestock
stop grooming your children
You are the uninformed though
Thanks to you three for sharing your voices on this topic. Sports help children everyday to get away from so many things, to then have kids be othered just for being who they are. That will only contribute to depression, bullying and everything else like that. Thanks also Anthony and team for creating this space on this new program.
This propaganda is what's cause alot of depression, confusion and suicides.
Thanks for giving a sound and calm peice of your thoughts
@@ItsAK69 I am sorry, where is there propaganda? I am only seeing three people in conversation
Kids playing sports is so much different than *athletes* playing sports though.
@@TheSlowpes well I suppose you are blind then.
Love this. Its so interesting hearing about other people and their lives and experiences. We need more content like this. People are important and deserve to be heard
As a person with chronic autoimmune illness, I would love to hear from people with these illnesses like me: Lupus, RA, MCAS, and others. Chronic pain/fatigue. I'd love to hear from people who do drag, I'd love to hear from inter-cultural/lingual couples, (couples who learn each other's language), people with a cognitive disability, and rehabilitated felons. This series could really go on forever.
LOTS of people giving their take in these comments for a 30-minute video uploaded 12 minutes ago. "I'm not transphobic, I'm just not comfortable watching a full video with trans people discussing their rights before forming my opinion on their entire community."
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Literally, they see trans people and instantly combust. They claim to not be afraid of trans people when called transphobic, yet they're too uncomfortable to sit down and watch a damn KZhead video
“I’m not transphobic, but I prefer my misinformation over actually looking into the topic because it makes me uncomfortable to admit that I may be incorrect. Instead, I will say that everyone else is incorrect for introducing facts about the topic into the equation.”
The same reason why i wont watch a 30 min video of transphobes discussing a topic is why I wont watch this. Its all bias information and a pointless echo chamber
@@nozers Imagine equating a discussion of people wanting human rights to a discussion of people wanting to take away human rights 💀
And THIS is how you use your platform to elevate other's voices; especially the voices that always get ignored. Can't wait for more episodes of this series and I truly hope this becomes permanent.
Great series! I think this is a great conversation to listen to whether you agree with the concept of transgenderism or not. We should always be listening to people and hearing what they have to say about their experiences
thankyou for this , this is amazing to hear from industry professionals , and giving them a platform like this is awesome , truthfully as a lot of people around me aren't so accepting , and I try my best to be , I had and heard some of these assumptions , now I have ways to counter them and learned something new :3
I would love to have a look at a conversation between people with multiple personality disorder. I’ve been curious about the differences in the ways they live their lives, and this series seems to be exactly what I need
Ooh that would be interesting. Bring back the DID people! :)
I doubt I would make it into the episode, but as someone with DID (dissociative identity disorder, formerly known as multiple personality disorder) I would LOVE to see an episode about and centering the voices of us, or even talk on the show my/ourself!
@@ollieroo3334In case you didn’t know if you want to check it out, Anthony did a video interviewing people with DID!
the video has been out for 7 minutes yet people already have opinions formed about it 💀 watch it before commenting mfs
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If sex and gender aren't the same, why is this even a conversation?
@@avamin0s you need to go back to biology class
@@avamin0s That's exactly my point. It IS about penises/vaginas and chromosomes. What does a social construct have to do with an objective reality? We're not talking about concepts. You can very easily define male or female just by looking at whether or not their can bear a child for example. Why are we bringing feelings into a physical competition?
So, so excited for the gay pastor ep!!! I would LOVE to see a conversation about assumptions people have of ethically non-monogamous/polyamorous people!!
Man, I'm really loving this. That my favorite series on YT now.
i’ve only gotten a little bit in, but i’m confused. isn’t it a fact that biological men are stronger/faster/overall better at sports? i’m not at all saying they shouldn’t be allowed in sports, but is that not a true statement?
yes it is
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@@justhaku9240 one of the very first things talked about is how they don’t have any biomedical advantages and that that’s a myth… when it’s not? edit:typo
Thabks for this. My opinions were based in my ignorance as well as LGBT affiliation and lack of facts. I always support trans ppl but this just solidified a lot for me Thank you