#StarWars #Ahsoka #CloneWars
When Sabine Wren gets stabbed through the gut with a lightsaber in the Ahsoka series, it raised a lot of questions about why she didn't die?
"Do lightsabers even work anymore?"
"Did Qui Gon die for nothing?"
In this video we go in depth on the logistics of getting stabbed by a lightsaber and why you shouldn't be able to survive this without some life altering consequences. Now stop reading the description and watch the video so you can tell me what you think when you're done!
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You could argue Finn surviving getting his spine melted by Kylo was the start of this
In my opinion I think it started with maul in the clone wars
@@SirSamuel_Smith_Squirrel_TheIV Did you not see the section in the video talking about Maul? The difference between that and Disney's execution was the reason he could stay alive afterwards and the repercussions he got from the saber wound, no more legs.
@@SirSamuel_Smith_Squirrel_TheIVmaul was cut in half but below any vital organs so his surviving makes perfect sense
@@SirSamuel_Smith_Squirrel_TheIVNah Maul took a couple levels in Barbarian so he doesnt die when dead if angry.
@@SirSamuel_Smith_Squirrel_TheIV Maul's revival literally involved dark magic though...
The reason maul works is because the shock isn't him dying It's him surviving Mual is 100% the exception that proves the rule
I've always thinking that Maul lived because of anger and (close to) madness. He was one of the strongest sith lords at least!
he was too angry to die.
Ehhh Maul got cut in half. That's even worse.
@privatezeron It is established that hatred and anger, if one is dark side force user, can keep them alive. Vader and Maul are great examples. In legends there was also Darth Sion who was just too angry to die, and died only after finding inner peace (He is legends, yes, but this property is still canon). Qui-gon has none of it, death makes sense, Reeva and Grand Inquisitor... maybe, they use dark side, and we know Reeva has a lot of hate, just not sure if they had enough power for it, all in all their force was pretty weak... but it is possible. Sabrine and Finn? No, like... just no. And Kylo would have probably been dead were Rey not learned from Jedi knight Jedi academy and unlocked the force heal.
@@user-fw8ry1tq4y Honestly a sith being extremely emotional- Or heck we'll say force users in general if we count anakin [He wasn't trained by the sith...Yet] Seems to mean they'll probably survive if they cling onto that emotion. Vader just lost his wife, was just betrayed in his eyes, and left for dead. His emotions are burning hot angry. And even then, he was put back together by palpatine later. Maul created a genuine hateful bond of Kenobi, an obsession with kenobi. Ashamed and defeated in the moment by Kenobi. And even then he only clung onto survival and fell into madness. Most other surviving incidents involve limbs being lopped off, and generally those incidents include the person having to be saved, because their now missing a limb. Luke was arguably made of iron more then his father was, Because Luke clung onto for dear life afterwords and was still conscious, while anakin basically just went down. Here, a mandalorian who played at being a jedi got stabbed by, my assumption here, a fallen jedi(?) she basically just met is. Less impressive. Especially since we saw the lightsaber wiggle a bit in her. Honestly? The better show writing could have been wearing some mando bits on her, to both seed the fact that she hasn't abandoned her culture entirely, if only for practical reasons. Or for having some Beskar between her and a lightsaber blow for this exact reason. Heck you can have it be a small amount so it 'slowed the saber down' and 'prevented your entire kidney from pulling a qui-gon'.
I think the most egregious part about Sabine's stabbing is that the lightsaber pivots while it's inside her, which means that the end of the blade coming out of her back would have sliced a few inches up through her liver and right lung. She should in no way have survived that.
Yesh with 21st century, you cant survive😅
I think the biggest problem is that the heat of the lightsaber would have not only pierced her organs, but boiled everything around it. THOSE ORGANS ARE GONE!
Plus, once Shin landed the stab all she has to do is slice up and split Sabine in half. You don’t have to pull a blade of pure energy straight back out.
just slap a bacta patch on it dude! all better!
Light saber wounds are not fencing wounds Disney. It's so easy to cut everything like a butter. Once you stab something, how could the user resist the temptation to ignore swinging it more and just pulled it out.
What's always been weird to me about a LOT of lightsaber stab wounds is the person doing the stabbing doesn't wrench the thing in any other direction other than directly OUT. Like, I understand seeing that full frontal would make Star Wars rated-R but like, logically speaking that's what they'd do to make sure their opponent is finished off, especially now that lightsaber stab wounds apparently aren't guaranteed to be fatal.
Yes! Especially considering how easy it would be. In fact, it would be really difficult to pull it straight out.
Yes! I've always thought about this. Even if the stabber just held the blade in place, the stab-ee would fall through the sword as they passed out or died.
@@CoolTrainerJulioThis idea has been in my head ever since I first watched the scene where Qui-Gon dies, even as a kid my first thought was; "What if Maul didn't pull the lightsaber back before Qui Gon fell?"
I think the only one who might have done this is Kylo ren when he killed Han.
@@nomercyinc6783 Not the point
Starwars needs the regular sabers back
Sabers need the regular Star Wars back
@@O1OO1O1 yeah
@@xavierbennettgregbetter6776 #raiseriggy
#raiseriggy nice pfp
No we need George lucas back
Qui-Gon should only be the exception because of how long he survived. He managed to live out the entire duel, but anyone else from the Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith died in seconds instead of minutes. Qui-Gon should represent the extreme end of how long someone can survive a stab. Edit: To all of you saying "Maul lived", I think he should be one of the only if not the only exception. Any more trivializes his feat
Everyone else in RotS got stabbed higher up, not in the intestines.
@@MarioPerez-ng9it I know they tried to make it obvious Sabine was stabbed lower down, but did they do the same for anyone else?
@@MidnightDoom777 No, everyone else save Kylo was stabbed higher up and the Kenobi show was bull.
@@MarioPerez-ng9it "and the Kenobi show was bull" agreed.
He lived only a few minutes after receiving the blow. Probably, the saber pierced the stomach or liver, so he did not die right away, but he could not survive
The biggest problem I have with lightsaber stabbings is that moving a lightsaber through flesh should be the same as moving a spoon through water. Any little movement would slice more and more. I’m sure the most trained fighters could make a clean stab in and out without little wobbles doing more damage, but it seems EVERY instance of lightsaber stabs works like any other sword/blade where the saber is embedded in the spot it stabbed through rather than going in and cutting sideways as it’s inside due to the person falling over or something similar. The sabers should be going through bodies like a hot knife through already warm butter, not a sword getting stuck inside its victim.
Seems like lightsabers do give some form of resistance when it comes in contact with something for whatever reason and honestly I like it like that, it doesn't have to make sense nor conform to our logic of what would feasibly happen because it looks cool. Think Yoda's awesome clone kill when going back to the Jedi temple really the lightsaber should've gone right through the clone but looked cooler not doing that. Basically looks cool and it'd look a little silly if it cut everything like butter think of those skits where someone drops a lightsaber and it falls through the floor or something similar.
I think that sabers have some reaction on matter, for example ,when someone breaks iron door, with lightsaber, you can see, that it doesn't go absolutely easy, person still gives some pressure on saber to cut through , of course, body is much simpler to cut , but at least a tiny reaction will be, and I think that is the reason why lightsaber users perform stronger hits at enemy, when cutting them
You nailed it. Qui-Gon dying really makes him look weak and feeble. Some teenager who can’t even use the force at the time lived. Why couldn’t you, Mr Jedi Master?
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I read somewhere that Disney exchanged cut off limbs for dramatic stomach stabs, and I think it’s very accurate. There are an infinite number of possibilities for how to hurt someone with a lightsaber without killing them, but that wouldn’t be suspenseful enough. Honestly, when was the last time someone had their hand cut off? It’s a Star Wars staple!
One of the rebels got decapitated in Episode nine. The last time we see him, his head was thrown onto a table.
This is 100% correct. Here is something I wrote up to respond to a different person's comment (who said that the old movies didn't have much lightsaber action/deaths) in a different video about the live-action pre- and post- Disney.: - Episode 1: The Jedi mainly fought droids so if you count those droids, then a lot but if not, I don't know how you forgot about Maul (who came back via Dark Side dedication) and Qui Gon Jinn. - Episode 2: Again, they were mainly fighting droids, but yes Jango did die this way, as did a BUNCH of Geonosians as well as the two insects Zam used and the Ackley beast in the arena (they technically count as they were alive). And who could forget that Anakin literally massacred a whole village of Tusken Raiders? We see him kill three, but when he talks to Padme, it is clear that he killed way, way more. - Episode 3: Dooku, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, Commander Gree, and a number of other clones, younglings (off-screen but heavily implied), and more droids. Also, Anakin pulled an Anakin and massacred the Separatist leaders, too. That's what happens when you fight a war against droids, the main casualties are droids. - Episode 4: Obi Wan. It's the start of the franchise, give it a break. Moreover, the lightsaber was supposed to be a mystical weapon that was to be used sparingly. It was only in four scenes: showing Luke his father's saber, Obi Wan saving Luke in Mos Eisley, Obi Wan beginning Luke's training, and Obi Wan fighting Vader. 4 scenes: one ends in bloodshed and the other ends in death. - Episode 5: Wampa alone. There is only one lightsaber in Star Wars at this point and it's in the hands of an inexperienced late-aged padawaan in the middle of a war. Of course, there won't be many deaths. He isn't instantly perfect with it. He isn't Rey. - Episode 6: We see 12 on screen deaths from Luke's saber on Jabba's barge with many more implied as he fights his way to the droids and his sister. Then, we see him kill a scout trooper on Endor with it. From there, Luke is with Vader and the Emperor where he wins the duel against his father but refuses to kill his father. That's a lot of deaths. Keep in mind the context of the movies, too. The prequels saw the Jedi primarily fighting droids, not organics (except for the geonosians in Ep 2), so we ignore those deaths usually because we don't see droids as sentient (even though it is demonstrated that many are). But if you do count droid deaths, Episode 1 starts off with 19 deaths to a lightsaber within the first 10 minutes. The whole PT is set at the height of Jedi power, so we see a lot of Lightsaber action and a lot of deaths at the blade of the lightsaber or as a result (i.e. reflected blaster bolts + counting Mace since otherwise Mace had Palps on the ropes) In the OT, there are no Jedi and the lightsaber is a relic and scarce. Its use isn't to be flashy as in the PT but to be important and show that the problem being faced is one only the lightsaber can handle. For most of the OT, the lightsaber is primarily used in combat in Ep 6. In Ep 4, the saber sees combat twice and both times it draws blood: one removed limb and one death - This set a precedent for the saber that Disney seems to now ignore. Ep 5 we see a removed Wampa limb and Luke's hand gets lopped off. We also assume the Wampa death. In Ep 6, we see the Lightsaber returning to full form as Luke is a new Jedi Knight finishing his training and he kills. A lot. He also cuts off his father's hand. Limb and death. In the PT we've already gone over the deaths, but what about the second hallmark: dismemberment? Maul is cut in half, Jango loses his head, Dooku loses both hands and then his head, Commander Gree and his companion lose their heads, Mace loses his arm, Anakin loses his hand... then his other arm and both legs. It's beautiful chaos as it shows the destructive capability of the weapon. And that's not even touching the 3D Clone Wars and Rebels series which saw a number of dismemberments, specifically beheadings. What do we have in the Disney Trilogy? - Ep7 has Han die by being stabbed in the gut like Qui Gon and he dies. We have Finn stab a stormtrooper in the gut and he dies. Any dismemberment? No, just superficial cuts on Kylo and Finn at the end of the movie. - Ep8 Snoke is killed by being cut in half, so at least there's that. Other than that, we have that shitty fight scene where most of the guards are stabbed in some way. One gets his neck slashed which would have been perfect for a beheading, but no. Head stays on the body and everyone else dies from being stabbed in the torso except for the last who is stabbed in the head through his faceless helmet. Rey gets a papercut but other than that, she is unscathed. - Ep9 No idea. I skipped 8 after the leaked gifs from overseas came out and showed what a travesty it was so I never watched 9 nor do I intend to. For me, 6 was the final movie. But watching a few clips of Ep9, looks like Kylo gets stabbed in the gut along with a number of royal guards. Are you sensing a trend? Disney doesn't understand the lightsaber. It either slashes someone and leaves a burning mark or that person is stabbed in some way, usually in the gut. Gut stab isn't bad, it's best used when the person being stabbed is important and needs to say something. Think about the prominent gut stabs in Star Wars history and what they have in common. Aside from the victims all being close to Obi Wan, the method of death adds impact to the moment - sort of a punctuation; and they all have something to say, a final word before they perish. Satine dies in Obi Wan's arms, Qui Gon dies giving Obi Wan final instruction, Maul dies finally at rest seeing eye to eye with Kenobi but still struggling for retribution. Disney got it right with Han (in that scene, not with his character as a whole), but past that it has become almost a meme. There's a reason there are a myriad of videos calling out Disney for not taking the lightsaber seriously anymore. So when you say "Barely anyone actually died to lightsabers pre Disney. On hand: Jango and Dooku. Three Jedi masters by Palpatine, old Ben Kenobi. That’s pretty much it for the original films." You are being quite disingenuous and are missing the point of the criticism leveled at Disney. My friend, who is a lifelong star wars fan and even enjoys Disney Star Wars, even says he wishes they would do something more adult because the shows all feel too PG and the lightsabers feel more like clubs than actual dangerous swords of superheated plasma.
@@thegrayowl1557that's not a hand lmao
@@TheReZisTLust That's... correct, yes.
Heck, why not a glancing hit off the beskar (generally considered at least highly resistant to lightsabers) that skids off at an angle and shallowly digs into an unintended spot that isn't protected by the beskar? Or perhaps heat conducting through from continued contact burning the person behind the plates? Neither outcome is likely to outright kill, but the maiming is certainly getting someone out of the fight soon enough.
It's funny how Maul's case has a whole lot of explanation of how and why he survived, but the other cases are just "Yeah, no, they're not dead, just cause"
It's even funnier because he got cut in half
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@@amiablereaper Remember Darth Sion from KOTOR 2? I know it is not canonical now, but I like the idea of man living only due to his angriness and with the help of the dark side. And that's why I don't blame the scenarists for reviving Maul.
@@vangogichcould the same apply to Snoke? I kind of like the theory that he is Mace Windu twisted by the dark side and maybe he used his hatred of Palpatine and Rey to stay alive.
"Somehow they survived"
If they want to bring a character back or keep them alive, you need a damn good reason to. Darth Maul was sliced in half and brought back, but very few people cared because it made sense for his character, as the Sith made it clear that anger could give them a LOT of power throughout the series. For a Jedi or light side character to survive, they need just as good/lore-accurate of a reason to survive, otherwise it’s just boring.
Not to mention the amount of hoops and restrictions lore-wise Maul had to jump through to pull that off: - only got sliced at the hips, missing his centre mass - using training and knowledge specifically handed down from the Sith lineage (Maul stating to Darth Sidious he used his training to stay alive) - going through a process that rendered him insane, leaving him living like a wild animal for years. - only managed to have his mind and conscience restored back to normal through a complex ritual done by Mother Talzin herself
i feel like what they could do with a jedi/light side character to survive a lethal blow is to have the power of insane calmness/meditation to keep themselves alive, but as a set back, they lose their emotions/empathy and pain, and will have phycological issues until extensive therapy (which won't cure them %100). that way, there are stakes to never try it again, as them attempting it again will result in uncurbable emotional unresponsiveness/psychological issues.
Maul survived off a combination of his anger, the Force and the blade cauterizing his wound almost instantly
Another way to do it is not have the wounds be death-guaranteed fatal. When Obi-Wan first fought Dooku, Dooku only so much as nicked him in the arm and thigh, and Obi-Wan STILL got decommissioned for the rest of the fight until Anakin showed up. That is a great example of how a lightsaber can be extremely dangerous if you aren't careful with it.
To be fair, force healing has been a thing in Legends, but the main issue is how it was introduced in the film. Ray doesn’t learn new abilities she just knows them, we never see her learning these new force abilities, it’s never explained to the audience how it exists, what the limitations are. She can just do it and we’re expected to just accept it with no second thought.
The thing is….. force can do whatever, really. For as long there is no limit to the force, there is no limit to the abilities. Rey is essentially a genetic prodigy that is given divine favour by the force. Like it or not, but a being that has THE OMNIPOTENT POWER OF THE UNIVERSE on their side should be able to do MUCH MUCH MUCH more than “medium heal go brrr”. Logically Rey should be able to resurrect dead planets with a snap of fingers You might not like the universe favoring and giving Devine powers to Rey…. But that is what Rey essentially is as a character. She is special by definition. Not an average user that has to learn to do stuff. Hell, I would argue that having THE UNIVERSE teaching you abilities would make you more intuitive to any and all abilities compared to other generic force grunts. Universe would give you all the answers passively, to use force with the maximum/optimal efficiency and intensity. So, Rey not only can skip lifetimes of training…. She should realistically surpass and and all other force user. Just like no matter how many generations of physicists they were before putting effort to derive laws of physics… if universe just gave the answers right away, they would be far far beyond anything humans can ever produce or derive. Knowledge of the universe would be instant and complete. So, Rey being able to pull prodigy-level stuff, when normal force users struggle…… is because of her being given divine knowledge by the universe.
@@kingol4801 in shorter words, she's a Mary Sue lmao
@@kingol4801That's called a Mary Sue brother 😅
@@kingol4801 I am not reading all that shit.
@@White_Recluse Basically she's a Mary Sue
The problem is that surviving a lightsaber stab has happened so many times now, compared to just Darth Maul before that. Now lightsaber stabs seem to be just as fatal as a car crash in a Fast and Furious movie (ie not at all)
In Disney’s live action stuff, yes. Yet it’s in none of the good stuff.
Tbh, Clone Wars kinda started this whole thing by bringing Maul back. And he wasnt just stabbed. The guy got cut in half by this very lethal weapon. He was so dead in Phantom Menace. Dont get me wrong, i really like CW. But it has some flaws. Bringing Maul back for the sake of attracting attention with an iconic but dead character wasnt needed. And they ruined him by making him a maniac. Savage Opress was all they needed here. But i guess Disney would ve made this lightsaber stab survival spree anyways.
@@gothia1715eh like multiple other commenters have said, Maul surviving was kinda.. plausible and done nicely enough where it could be said that other than the fact that he was a sith lord with sith powers plus, his upper body and organs was still intact (i.e Heart, lung, brain or whatever is in there) so it’s arguable that he could survive with the sith stuff and thus could be put on some artificial legs, the madness probably came from that too. But eeh
@@gothia1715 You got a point about that. Man, Phantom Menace really was just the downfall of Star Wars, wasn't it? All the bad stuff people complain about Star Wars today all stemmed from Phantom Menace. lol
darth nihilus shouldn’t exist. It’s literally his willpower that makes him.
Are we not going to talk about how Fin took a lightsaber right up the spine and survives!
All I have to say is that maybe bacta is a way better healing agent than we thought
@@JKBismsbut if you the spine too close to the neck it’s an insta death
Kylo only slashed Fin in the back like Dooku slashes Kenobi’s leg and arm in attack of the clones.
@@luisvelez1952 watch the part again.. the saber tip that cuts his back was about a foot maybe 6 inches at least… his spine would have bin hit regardless due to how deep it was…
@@erutarbrath1218 Fin was sent to the hospital moments later this is a world that even General Grievous was rescued and saved from a ship explosion in his home planet.
Even if we assume a light sabre is so hot that on contact with flesh, there’s a constant film of steam isolating to so it won’t rapidly heat up tissue beyond the wound, which is definitely a real phenomenon. There’s also the issue of how do you remove the sabre exactly back out the same wound, while the victim is falling over. Seems like one wrong move you could chop the torso open in half. The least they could do is have the sabre user immediately turn off the sabre so they can’t cause more damage trying to remove it.
Lightsabers twenty years ago: Dodge like you want to live Lightsabers today: Just grab it at this point
They might as well let some unarmed 9 years old fight a sith master at this point
@@NoobPCGamer1267 I’m now inclined to believe everyone survives lightsaber strikes until proven otherwise. They’ve literally flipped the lore.
Lightsabers then: If you want to live against a guy wielding this thing, you better lock the fuck in. Lightsabers now: Lmao its just a glowing baseball bat you'll be fine
When I first watched that episode of Ashoka, I thought Sabine was dead. I was disappointed when she lived again, because it didn't feel like she could have survived the stabbing. Absolutely agree with you
She's a mandalorian, maybe she has some beskar clothing even without her armor
1. Wasn’t stabbed in a vital spot, which was stated in the episode. 2. She got immediate medical attention unlike many other characters. 3. Why tf would they kill of one of the main characters in the first few episodes
@@wilsonspiegel606 her gut would literally start burning from the inside with blood and other liquids boiling. Even with really advanced medicine, and immediate care, I would expect, not just a lightsaber scar, but a giant scars from the actual surgery that rebuilt her internals. And, possibly, some augmentation.
@@solarissv777 Well, that's the point where i would disagree. While one would assume that a Lightsaber should instantly burn your organs, there are scenes in the movies or animated series like "Clone Wars" where someone holds a Lightsaber right next to the other person's face without this person having his face burned away immediately. In my opinion, those weapons are in fact very hot but very precise at the same time and the heat or burn radius could therefore be very limited. It would also depend on how long someone or something is directly exposed to the "blade". For example sticking the blade into a thick metal door to melt it like in the movies takes some time and stabbing someone for a few seconds could cause far less damage in terms of severe burnings. On the other hand i think, if you really would want to look at it from a realistic and scientific point you also had to consider the type of material and heat transfer. I am sure in reality you couldn't even hold such a weapon because of the extreme heat radiation but that's just my guess on it. Where i do agree is the point that wounds caused by a weapon like this should cause more damage then what was shown and at least have temporary consequences for the person who got stabbed.
@@jabu7624Chief, if something with the radius of a lightsaber obliterates almost any part of your torso, especially the gut, you're either dead or insanely crippled. Nonvitals aren't as big of a concern because "thin" weapons could pass through them. Lightsabers aren't bullet thin. A fucking musket ball in a non vital spot will floor you. Not only is the blade a little girthy, but it's incredibly hot, as evidenced by the melting effects it leaves on literal space steel. The scene was dumb. End point.
I think the worst part in the case of Rey v Kylo is that it takes away the impact of her mistake. She didn't want to kill Kylo, she wanted to save him, and by killing him out of anger she failed in that goal, briefly giving her an actual character flaw. Then the force feels bad for her I guess and gives her the ability to reverse her mistake instead of learning from it.
The edit suggests it was Leia, who felt bad for her. But it's still reminiscent of Obi-Wan tripping on his shoelace and falling into a pit, before the fight with Maul. As a reminder. Then when he's in the other pit, he's like, "yeah, okay, that's why I was "clumsy".... okay Force, I'm ready to Yeet outta here, give me the prompt!" and Anakin destroys the Control Ship and insect face dies, and then, Obi-Wan gets the prompt. If the confrontation with Vader and the Emperor really happened the way Luke says it did (he didn't bring droids, because he knew he didn't want there to be evidence of what would happen), then surely, that too, must have been the Mortis Gods taking pity on him, and deciding to protect his self-important feelings, so he could keep pretending that his dad was an awesome, super friendly child murderer.
I think you can still learn from a mistake if you reverse it.
@@KamikazeCommie501 To a smaller extent I agree, but I think the best character development comes out of seeing the far spanning reprocussions of that mistake.
@@theragingrodent__ Yeah some repercussions come faster and more severely than others though. I can tell you there's some lessons I learned in my life I definitely didn't need to that, if undone instantly after, could have saved me a lot of pain and PTSD. I didn't watch the last one and turned off TLJ halfway through so I shouldn't be defending them but I'm sure she learned the lesson of 'you need to control your anger' in one of those movies before. Killing Kylo just reinforced it and cemented it instantly so bringing him back probably wouldn't undo that, it would just stop the PTSD of having to live the rest of her life knowing she killed him. Anyway that's the theory of a guy who never even watched the movie so take it as you will lol
@@KamikazeCommie501 Ok I get where you're coming from, and I gotta mention that my comment is really only about character development in the context of a work of fiction, not in the context of a real person's trauma. But yeah, it was really only in the rise of Skywalker that they tried to give Rey a character arc in overcoming her impulsivity and anger. The real problem there was that the other plot point that set up that arc was also reversed immediately, when she accidentally blew up a ship that Chewbacca was on, only later it was revealed that Chewbacca was actually on a different identical ship.
If the stab wounds only cauterized themselves with the blade’s heat, it would totally be survivable if stabbed in a spot that isn’t fatal otherwise… however, lightsabers can cut through thick durasteel slabs like butter, relatively. You can bet your arse that a stab will not just cauterize the wound, but cook your insides and fry your immediately nearby organs almost instantly. Looking at where the saber stabs usually are in Star Wars, I can safely say that one of their lungs, stomach, and heart are cooked to a nice well-done. Lungs is less important, a person can survive and live a full and normal with only one lung (especially if you get it so young that your other lung grows to compensate), but you can safely bet that their major arteries, their stomach, their heart, their intestines, one of their kidneys (also survivable actually), and their liver (if hit on the correct side) are all burnt to a crisp and made fatal.
It's real simple - Disney Star Wars is trash.
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They've never been the same since the Prequals. In my opinion, the Prequals had it perfect in nearly every way. The deadliness, the way they looked, the sounds, their effect, their usage, their interaction in duels, their deflection of blaster bolts, their speed and of course their use. Shit was chopped up, droids, hands (multiple hands), heads and bodies were sliced and diced. Impalement was death and a slice was near guaranteed fatality. Simply, the Prequals had em right and almost no piece of content has gotten them right since (except Starkiller and 2005 BF: II to a degree).
The ogs did them pretty good, I just wish they pulled them out more.
Ayyy bro I'm with you on that one ..the prequals did lightsabers justice
yeah Obi-Wan was given glancing blows taking him out of the battle and with how effective lightsabers are that actually adds to Douku's character. He clearly didn't want to kill Obi-Wan in that moment. If you can survive from impalement then that scene no longer does anything
I remember just slicing storm trooper heads off when playing as starkiller
@Johnnyanderson2 that's because of Uncle George. Disney doesn't Respect the Saber, or what it stands for.
Honestly at this point I won’t be surprised if saw gerrera shows up again and just completely survived the Death Star on jedha
Lol no you guys are dumb and especially michal Jae....it’s a shame he’s falling for the right wing hate bs. The shows good. And it makes sense Sabine would live. The whole sawgerara bs you spouted was just coping hard, michal jaye is an idiot for liking your comment
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Count Dooku survives.
for real
Facts, it is a kyber crystal based weapon
@@PizzaHutCEO And Palpatine somehow came back as well
For me, it really pushed over the edge when Sabine got stabbed in the gut and just… was fine afterwards? It made no sense for her to even STAND after that.
"An elegant weapon from a more civilised age" I believe is the quote Obi Wan said and I think was intentional as many many times we have seen analysed and showcased not just in the films by George Lucas but also everyone else who can see for themselves and understand the way Anakin and Obi Wan fight with Lightsabers is elegant and precise. The way Luke fights is unrefined and full of 'hate' or anger just like Darth Vader and the Emperor urges him to give in to it which he resists. Seeing Rey fight like that in episode 7 makes sense as she had no training or practice (the fighting style and rough nature of it, not the fact she beat Kylo Ren lol) and I'm sure training with Luke we would see by episode 9 she would still have kept some of that raw power and 'balance' in both precision and power. Lightsabers feel very lazy now but not lazy in the right way. They should be seen as a very powerful 1 hit kill weapon so you can be very very very patient to get the right attack in as opposed to a few good hits. They feel like shovels the way people prod and poke with them and the weight behind them in the newer movies feels so off.
Instead of stabbing Sabine, they should have done what Dooku did to Kenobi. In Attack of the Clones, Dooku simply delivered a glancing blow to Kenobi and poked his leg, both were enough to put him out of commission for the fight, hell Dooku barely touched Kenobi yet the slightest hit flung his arm and leg back and he was down. Something as simple as a poke from a lightsaber can be nonlethal but still show just how powerful the weapon is.
Yeah, that would have actually been a really good way to end the fight in a way where she loses, but isn't killed. Instead the we got a lazy cliffhanger that made no sense.
@@bengale9977it bothers me that the people who made kenobi and Ahsoka think it’s so badass
well yes but no, they of course could reuse the same tactic tha dooku used but that, in my opinion, made less sense, shin hati is an apprentice and even if she is strong we see in the coreografy that she is imperferct and nothing more than a learner so the only way to deafet sabine with a sense was: stabbed her in a liver,an injury that maybe, with the futuristic cures of the star wars universe, it could be a non deadly wound or a force push that knokìck out sabine. sorry for my bad english i'm still learning
i correct my self, on the show it seems that she was stabbed or in the liver or in the intestine that make sense the fact that survives for both the wound
@@tommasobertelli1021You're right, Shin could've just force force pushed Sabine into a wall and make her hit her head or something
I keep saying this, Attack of the Clones, how does dooku defeat obiwan? He cuts him. That's how sabines fight should've ended
If Sabine wasn't in immediate danger of dying then Ahsoka would've immediately gone after Shin. She needed to inflict a near-fatal wound.
@@Brainth1780 the fight was on a tower right? If not then move the fight to one, Sabine ends with cuts on an arm and the legs and is about to fall, Ahsoka has to stop the fight to help her, done, no stabs needed
@@Brainth1780 Or make it so that she loses a limb. I think the chopped-off hand bit has been overused, so this time they could cut off her leg so it looks severe and Ashoka is forced to help. Then Sabine’s leg wound gets treated (which hopefully takes more than a day, unlike in the show), and she gets a cybernetic replacement. A Mandalorian with a robotic arm or leg would be really cool actually. And it doesn’t break lightsaber lore (not too much, at least).
Bearing in mind that the OT came out during the height of the Cold War, the fact that lightsabers glow isn’t just cool aesthetics. It also brings to mind the devastating power of nuclear weapons. Of course they’re lethal, they glow! It’s kind of spooky how the Disneyfication of lightsabers coincides with renewed nuclear threat.
I could MAYBE see surviving a lightsaber stab wound if it was like, the blade was sent out and immediately retracted. Because if it missed organs, maybe it could cauterize as it went and disappear immediately. But when they hold the blade inside of them? Like every second its in there, its baking them. Honestly we should see their flesh igniting and burning to ash around the blade like the metal door melting around Qui-gon's light saber. There is no universe where the body could survive that. Your organs start shutting down if your core temperature gets above 104 degrees. I think the residual heat of the lightsaber sitting inside of someone would cause total organ failure, even if they managed to miss the organs with the strike itself, given the blade is left in there for 5 seconds while they look into each others eyes
I feel like a lightsaber stab is only survivable if it happens in a non-lethal area and the person is treated IMMEDIATELY not like Reva who hobbled all the way to Tatooine with a hole in their stomach. The farthest someone can get is like Qui-Gon who survived a few minutes with a chest stab.
Kinda. Getting a limb cut off won't kill them immediately in the case of Luke. He needed medical attention but he wasn't going to die super quick because the wound was automatically cauterized meaning he wouldn't have lost any blood
Absolutely not. Lightsabers should not even function, they are a contradiction. Being even near the thing should physically hurt you, and being touched by the blade would literally make you explode. Lucas and disney need to stop using weapons that should be able to kill you when you are even near the thing and acting like even the smallest scratch is survivable. Disney is just taking at a bit farther, lightsabers were always bullshit.
what would a "non-lethal area" be that isnt a limb?
@@coltermiller1782 well we've seen people get stabbed in the stomach and recover but that's after a while in a bacta tank or something not like Sabine who got up in seemingly less than 24 hours or Reva who never got any medical attention and yes also a limb
@@darthmarr4155Sabine got stabbed in, like, the kidney though. Watch it closer. She gets stabbed in the side, not the middle, which means a very different organ was damaged.
Sabines defeat at the hands of Shin could be handled better, even though they showed where she was stabbed. For example Cal Kestis disarmed and defeated the 2nd Sister by poking her right shoulder with a lightsaber. Count Dooku also disarmed Obi-wan on Geonosis by tapping his left arm and left leg, which kept Obi-wan out of the fight for the rest of the duel. Edit: Just realized that Cal Kestis got stabbed by Darth Vader in Fortress Inquisitorius the same way how Sabine got stabbed but it doesn't go through his body. Dagan Gera grazing Cal Kestis in the chest disarmed him and left him writhing on the floor but Cal managed to recover after about 2 minutes.
Cal was stabbed and he survived.
@@mreggs3731cal didn’t get run threw like everyone else
@@shadowdragon9761 Yeah, he did. There was a good half foot of clearance there
@@thegrayowl1557 I just played it lmao no it didn’t
@@shadowdragon9761 I just watched it again, and yes, that blade went in pretty fuckin deep, my guy
Oh, right! In Star Wars The Old republic MMO? There is a guy in the Agent storyline who said. "Oh yeah, I got stabbed in the chest from behind. It's a bit hard to breathe sometimes, but I got put on desk duty."
Dramatic Irony is a tool. but This is Dramatic stupidity.
One of the worst cases i’ve seen is where in the kenobi series, his lightsaber bounces off of a stormtroopers armor, when in canon the standard stormtrooper armor was never made to deflect lightsaber strikes and was able to be cut through like butter
jedi survivor has a perk where you get realistic damage, so you die super easily but you also one shot pretty much everyone, even bosses when you land a hit. that makes the world feel so much more immersive
But it also is kinda… boring cuz it also applies to blasters too, it makes the game way too easy
@@dudemcduder1628 hence the game design nerving the lightsaber. Also, blasters shoot the same stuff as a lightsaber blade. So those are just as deadly as a lightsaber should be. Leia should be dead in return
@@dudemcduder1628Jedi Outcast with saberrealisticcombat manages to make lightsabers realistically damaging with full dismemberment (which also applies to enemies with lightsabers against you) while keeping blasters and enemy health as normal.
That is true, I'd say however that the game was not designed around that.@@dudemcduder1628
@@dudemcduder1628they also just stole it from devil may cry heaven or hell mode.
It would have been such an easy rewrite to have Shin realize Ahsoka was near and she wasn't a match for her so she cuts off Sabines hand then gives Sabine a deep but survivable gouge to her torso that requires Ahsoka to stay and render aid while she escapes
Okay but how the hell is a gouge into the chest better then a stab in a not immediately fatal area? Your suggestion is "cause even more damage"
@@daefaron my suggestion is very specifically to have the character knowingly, intentionally, and mockingly inflict just enough damage to leave her in need of immediate medical attention. A 1 inch gouge across the torso from plasma being dragged across it is a lot less damaging than being impaled by a blade of plasma that should have probably cut you in half.
@@MichaelS-jk8tj impaled through the lower right torso which was immediately treated with first aid and taken to a hospital. Quigon took over 2 minutes to die laying on the ground with zero help and stabbed through the spine.
Sabine was impaled through her ribs, her bones would have melted. But sure, being impaled makes more sense...@@daefaron
@@arlec4012 All these people who want Sabine dead for reasons that literally don't fit with... the entire realm of star wars. If her bones melted then her organs would be burst into flames, meaning that Quigon would've been dead in seconds not lasting minutes. And Obiwan would've lost his entire arm and leg from AOTC when they got stabbed with a lightsaber.
Maul only survived because of the dark side. Despite being cut in half, his intense emotions of rage, fury, and hatred attuned him so strongly to the dark side that he didn’t die… though it drove him into a state of rambling madness and obsessiveness. And Maul was only so obsessive in the first place because his entire worldview was shattered, Palpatine promised him the galaxy and he lost it all because of a padawan… In any other case, where the user isn’t a dark sider with a fucked up backstory filled with manipulation and tragedy, lightsabers should kill. Even if the saber cauterizes the wound and whatnot, the blade is so hot that it melts steel like butter so you can bet your entire innards are cooked like a well-done steak.
Saying elegant 1:35 while showing count dooku with his Makashi form is a big W
Asserting supremacy
I feel like the chopped off hand was, and really still is, the best way to have a character lose while still living. Avoids all organs and doesn't melt the perons insides, whist still completely inhibiting their ability to fight, meaning they lose instantly. It's how both Anakin and Luke lost to Dooku and Vader respectivly in their first fights, and really is pretty much the same argument for Maul. Although the slash was closer to his vital organs, it was his legs that were removed, an appendage that is possible to live without.
Then you can get scenes with Ninth Sister in Fallen Order where she just keeps going and is still up to fight.
It would cause all the water in your to evaporate instantaneously. So no, it is no way to survive at all. You babies just like picking and choosing which time to be happy with it and whoch time not.
Nah dude, Maul should have absolutely died in Phantom Menace. Even if by some miracle it wasn't the fact his lower gut and spinal column got cut in half, it would have been the several mile fall. The only thing that kept Maul alive was fan fiction.
@@dudemcduder1628but because it's so unusual for that to happen it works as a great "oh shit" moment.
@@PapaBear77 My man spitting facts.
You're absolutely right! IMO 2 things needs to happen with lightsabers: stop this nonsense that everyone could survive a lightsaber stab.. and create a live action version where a force user constructs their own saber. It is a crime that only happened in the Clone Wars series and games but never on live action.
Dude, you are right haha never thought about it, one of the most important parts of a jedi and they have never bothered to show it even with rey lol
"They could take a Deathstar firing on them point blank if Disney wanted them to." Hell, they could even be inside an exploding Deathstar and then somehow return.
Very good point. In fact, in all of the Star Wars movies (I - VI) no one ever takes a direct lightsaber stab and lives. Same with both Clone Wars series. Maul survived being cut in half, and I think that's mostly because (fan service) the cut was quick enough to not cook his insides, but still cauterized his wound. No living thing has ever survived being stabbed in the torso with a lightsaber.
Agreed. This is how I feel with Beskar as well. Anybody else remember when it was lightsabe and blaster RESISTANT not proof? If they were super impenetrable, then how did the Republic and the Jedi ever even come close to winning the mandalorian wars? As in plural.
Beskar was already scarce and most armours were fake unless they were passed down. Also the Jedi are formidable warriors and mandalorian armour does not cover the whole body. Also long in the past beskar mandalorians were so op they use to constantly fight Jedi
@@feryela they did. And lost. Every time. That's a little inconsistent for their armor. Idk if you've seen what their old armor used to look like, but it was thick and covered the user almost completely. Before they got jetpack and chose mobility.
@@Firehawk_9399 the would lose but being non force users and still killing Jedi is pretty op mostly because of the armour. Newer mandos like Din Jarin has plenty of open space to get shot or cut. He just got lucky I guess… but you can say the same for the OG trilogy where nobody had armour and the stormtroopers always missed.
@@feryela I guess but unlike Disney that's doing it because of plot convience, Lucas had reasons behind the stormtroopers in episode 4
@@Firehawk_9399 im sure Lucas did it for the same reason. He’s just had so much more time to cover it up. But he did cover it up with lore and good story telling. The problem with Disney is that for them to cover it up they have to crap on Lucas’ already stablished lore.
the problem started when light sabers became just glowing swords. even the fighting style is that of a regular sword. where as since lightsabers are light and don't need any force behind them to cause massive damage, the fighting style should be fast and agile not trying to hack the opponent like an axe. in the old movies the movement were fast, there were a lot of wrist movement, since if all you need a to just touch your opponent, flicking your wrist would make a lot of sense.
Yeah, I really liked the choreography from the prequel trilogy. They made use of lightsabers as light instead of as metal. Yoda bouncing from enemy to enemy and Obi-Wan dancing with his is just clean. The original trilogy I feel does something else with the lightsaber. Of the three or so lightsaber fights, they’re all either involving older men or inexperienced newbies, so you see how their movements are slow and stable. There’s no bouncy movement, but there’s no heavy and forceful strikes. It feels like they’re treating the sabers as if they’re fragile. They don’t have the energy of youth or the experience of age depending on the person, and it makes sense that they would play safe with their handling
@@harrya9458 as far as lightsaber fights go I prefer the second trilogy, episode 1,2 and 3. the fights are fast pace with quick movement. the fights with count dooku showed that you wouldn't need strength to be deadly. an old man can take 2 younger opponent. yoda could take an opponent 3 times bigger than him. also the graphics of light sabers were better. the after image of the lightsabers, gave the feeling that the movement were faster than what they really were. in modern movies we don't have that effect cause of better cameras.
For choreography, I'd actually go outside of Star Wars itself and look to the fight choreography in the live action Rurouni Kenshin movies. Those are what lightsaber fights should be.
Ray was just full of stupid surprises and Kylo should've been way stronger
Good example is how Anakin chopped off Dooku's hand in episode 3. With a normal sword, you wouldn't be able to slice off someone's hand without putting incredible strength and speed behind your swing yet Anakin's blade basically goes through Dooku's hand effortlessly like wet tissue without much strength behind it
I hate it when people criticize the sequels for having heavy handed, "whacking" lightsaber fights. The sequels are terrible for many reasons, but this is not one of them. In an interview with George Lucas asking why the choreography was so slow in the original trilogy, he said that the lightsabers were supposed to be as heavy as claymores. This is what made it so badass that Darth Vader was capable of wielding a lightsaber in one hand. The fights were weighty and emotional. In the prequels, they abandoned this in favor of silly looking spinning and twirling, many times having characters swinging their lightsabers at thin air so that they could smack them together in a way that looked impressive. Fans tried to reconcile this by saying that in the era of the prequels, the Jedi were at their height, and their force powers were much stronger, which I accept I GUESS, even though by all rights Darth Vader should still be far and away more powerful than most Jedi from that time even in the era of the original trilogy. But I will never be convinced that any fights from the prequels have as much impact or emotion or connection to the narrative and the characters as the fight between Luke and Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi. The sequels were a return to form in my eyes in what lightsaber choreography should look like. The fights are a pale imitation of the fights from the original trilogy, but they are still miles better than the stupid looking dancing and stick waggling of the prequels.
"How To Break The Lightsaber In 60 Seconds" video time : 17 minutes
Uhm actually it’s 17:04 minutes
In Ahsoka, I feel the narrative impact of Sabine's lightsaber wound would have carried more impact if it wasn't through the gut but instead a strike that took off her legs at the mid-thigh. That way it could run parallel to Anakin's injuries that furthered his transformation into Vader and given Ahsoka an actual reason to meet Anakin in the World between Worlds. Imagine, the guilt of her own Padawan losing her legs would push her to the breaking point, in which Anakin steps in to give her that final lesson she needs to learn. It's narrative impact is palpable, it has deep seeded repercussions on the characters involved, and it makes for good character development that can further enhance the story. Considering how much further artificial prosthetics are in Star Wars than real life it wouldn't have drastically altered the flow of narrative too much either, but would still have had greater impact.
That definitely would have been far better. But I don't think Disney is about good storytelling these days. And also that would be too dark for Disney's liking. But that would definitely fix the issues you mention. As is, it's completely meaningless. They literally just stabbed a main character for nothing more than clickbait on the next episode. Who writes that? And that also could have given Ahsoka and Sabine some actual character and struggles. And a reason for Anakin to show up to help resolve the problem, rather than just making a dumb one up out of thin air for the sake of Clone Wars member berries with nothing meaningful to say. That's just one of the many ways these shows could be greatly improved.
I think Disney refuses to dismember because they are pandering to the Chinese audience. I thunk there are censorship laws or guidelines for releasing movies in China such as no skeletons or dismemberment or other stuff.
what you just said made me think about what George said in the documentary/making of of The Phantom Menace: "It's Like Poetry, it rhymes"
I was gonna say the same thing but with her arm instead (so we aren’t retreading maul) but this works too!
Or at least have her crippled from the stab. Show how it permanently injured her
The problem is that people compares Vader stabbing Galen to Sabine being stabbed. The difference is Galen took months to recover in the novelization. Sabine should have taken weeks if not months to even be talking again. The novelization explains this so really it's different: “This is the Empirical, master, Lord Vader’s top-secret mobile laboratory. We’ve been here for six standard months.” PROXY looked up from the terminal. “Lord Vader has updated all of my protocols. Before I kill you, I am to do everything possible to help you vanish. Should I ready the Rogue Shadow for launch?” The apprentice tried to think. He flexed his hands, marveling at his amazing return to health. It seemed almost too good to be true. A disconcerting thought occurred to him. He hastily tugged off first his right glove, then the left. He was reassured to see only skin beneath-no synthetic materials or artificial joints. His knuckles moved the same as always; his fingernails were neat and even. The only odd detail was that his scars were gone. He rubbed his right hand down his chest to his stomach, remembering the terrible wound his Master had inflicted. He thought of the damage raw vacuum did to human lungs. Bacta tanks performed miracles, but they weren’t that good. “Master?” He looked up at PROXY and blinked. “What? Oh. I didn’t realize the ship was here, too.” “Yes, master. How else would we get away?” The droid stepped back from the terminal. Indicating it with a hand, he said, “I’ve accessed the main ship’s computer and begun carrying out Lord Vader’s orders.” The apprentice nodded, distracted by a thought that had just struck him. He had been on the Empirical for six months, PROXY had said, but the Rogue Shadow was here, ready for him. That might not be the only thing to survive the near catastrophe of the Emperor’s intervention.
When playing the game, I was pretty much convinced Galen was DEAD and had to be bizarrely revived. It's also clear that whatever brought him back or put him back together was NOT pleasant.
Also, Vader wasn’t trying to kill him, he still wanted Starkiller to gather the rebel leaders so he and the Emperor could kill them.
Additionally for Galen's sake, Vader had empire resources to help him with the healing process - as @emperor before me mentioned - Vader only wanted to make it look like he killed him, just to deceive Palpatine (as apart of a double rug pull).
imo the peak of live action lightsaber dueling was the prequals, the obi wan/qui gon vs maul fight, the yoda/obi wan/anakin vs count dooku fight, and probably the best one, the obi wan vs anakin fight are so much better than anything disney has done so far.
I agree with this. However I propose a different point of view, for Vader specifically. We KNOW Vader ain't sloppy. If he wants you dead then you are dead. So what if Vader, after humiliating her in that duel, intentionally delivered a non-fatal stab? To make her life a traumatized hell that he killed her not once but TWICE. That she now also has to live with the fact that her life is so worthless to him that she isn't worth killing with HIS lightsaber but it isn't even worth killing her with HER OWN lightsaber. He took her life from her TWICE and she will NEVER EVER be able to get justice or revenge on him because she is too weak and worthless. Like that is a pretty dark and evil thing to do to someone. Killing is easy, making someone live with it... that's darker.
I do appreciate that you show that Sabine is the symptom not the disease
Imagine if Sabine got her lower legs cut off or something. It's still a dramatic defeat in combat, and they can just slap some cybernetic feet on her later to have her moving again, but like the Skywalkers having that cybernetic limb is a permanent reminder
They probably didn't want to do that since Sabine doesn't have any prosthetics?
@@AC-iz7eh She doesn't have prosthetics because they didn't do this, this is just my suggestion. If they actually did, then they would give her cybernetics
The most accurate portrayal of a lighsaber stab would be if the target was literally detonated after a brief moment. The water in the blood of the human body would boil near-instantly, then the steam would be burned off from the sheer energy, igniting the Oxygen and Hydrogen. Rising steam and temprature from the newly inserted sun would cause any blood not burned away to boil, rapidly building pressure over the entire body, causing internal organs to collapse, and surface blood vessels to explode, launching scalding hot blood and steam like a Hollywood special effect, killing everyone within a 10 foot radius from 3rd to 4th degree burns. But Star Wars isn't rated R, so death works fine as well
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@@kevinstumpf6608 Nuclear blood!!!
In defence of Jedi Survivor, they included a NG+ option for "realistic" damages. You one shot everyone but you die immediately If you get hit. It is not about weakening the saber. It is in all of Call of Duty, they sometimes add "Realistic" difficulty as well
Beskar Armor was also extremely annoying in Mandalorian. It removed any form of suspense in S2 Mandalorian, since it made Din pretty much invulnerable to damage.
the problem is that it also kills all impact, the bolt shold still hit like a truck, like bullet plates, you are surviving that, but it will hurt. it used to be like this, resistant, not immune, so, maybe it would get ruined after taking a hit and that zone wont protect you twice, and against a sword, it should only be of help to protect agaist glancing hits, but be done after.
@@SaiTaX_the_Chile_boi It would've work if it was just for fodder laser beams, and when it comes to more experienced fighters you see how they get around it.
That was also a problem in the old books that the concept was introduced which is why I actually was super happy when the clone wars showed mandos in armor that could be killed like anyone else, no more magic Mary sue armor and then Dave got a case of the memberberries and boom they are back to being invincible taking away any and all stakes
I think I’m clone wars the beskar armour could somewhat reflect blaster shots but when it came to lightsabers they did no help blocking the blade, Mandolorian just made Beskar the most powerful armour in the galaxy, seeing how common it was in Clone wars should’ve made Mandolorians unstoppable
"Armor" has always been a little baffling to me in Star Wars. Scenes where it was shown to have saved someone can be probably counted on one hand. Most of the time people survive because the blaster shot went nowhere in the same post code. The rebels arguably had the right idea by not wearing much armor to save costs, it's not like it would've saved them anyways when Stormtroopers come boarding your ship. Funnily enough people are instead much better at shooting Jedi because they actually have to spend a lot of time blocking. Then we got Beskar which can apparently just tank most things? Where's the middle ground?
The fact that I saw sabine get impaled with this and knew within a nanosecond that she'd be fine is proof that you're right. I didn't know she was even a main character, I've never heard of her, but I just knew that a stomach shot meant nothing, and couldn't figure out why the Sith lady wouldn't have like, decapitated her. Personally I'd like to know how she regrew the 3-5 vital organs that got obliterated (the Obi-Wan Criticizes series did an awesome job as usual making fun of this) - but "I'm a tough Mandalorian" seems to be enough. LIke at this point if I was a Jedi/Sith and I wanted someone dead, I wouldn't leave the scene until I'd watch every atom of their body vaporized with a thermal detonator, and even then I'd throw a second one at the vapor just to be sure.
Bro the stomach hit would be fatal or at least disable her for a week / cause permanent scarring
For real. If getting impaled with a lightsaber truly isn't a death sentence, why aren't the people in question not making sure their opponents are dead? They just do 1 poke and walk away. Don't they want to be sure? I feel like blasters have occasionally gotten the same treatment, where usually someone gets hit and drops dead, but sometimes they survive if the plot needs them to.
@@duckie9327The way they showed it, that shit went straight thru her diaphragm and realistically her chest cavity would poll up with blood and lungs collapse dead within minutes.
@@johnnyringo2670 Yea, or even if it hit the stomach that thing can melt the steel reinforced doors of a spafe ship no way it wont melt the body around the contact area causing mass organ failure
@@johnnyringo2670 Not to mention the wound becoming septic from rupturing the intestines.
The light saber was originally used sparingly, so that when it did make an appearance it was a huge, exciting moment or sequence in the film. Plus only a handful of characters in the first trilogy had access or the ability to use one. Now it’s like they’re common as KitKat bars.
Your KitKats will make a fine addition to my collection.
I can't help but recall a certain scene in jedi survivor, it involves cal getting slashed across the chest and him being on the ground struggling to breath and in pain. he of course recovers after a bit, but this shows that even getting hit by a lightsaber is not a.... pleasant experience to say the least. but then cal runs the guy that slashed him through the chest and out of his spine and he still somehow able to yell and overpower cal while somehow still being alive and standing only to be put down by a few blaster shots. it really highlights disney writers greatest quality when handling star wars, consistency, or lack there of.
Maul got cut in half and came back using the dark power of the force. I think that was one of the first steps into this trend, and it was the best execution of that instance because every other time was boring.
Yup. First time was good and now it's just stupid.
Maul should have been the exception, as he was a Sith Lord and Sith are interested in immortality. Reva just walks off implements, Sabine was weak for needing medical attention. 😂
@@Valen-mh9fh Well then again, The Grand Inquisitor's was probably the worst, in a cinematic sense. Like we already know he survives because of what happened in Rebels. He was an ex Jedi and fully fledged force user as well. Just felt SO phoned in when they could have used him more. With Sabine I think it was pretty well placed, it showed her lack of skill and how little she had kept up with training. It was important to the story. I do think there was a better way to go about it instead of stabbing her like all the others, making me roll my eyes at lightsabers, but I do think it was the least stupid of the stabbings.
Even Stormtrooper bolts to the gut are instantly lethal in the original and prequel trilogy against most armor. That's what they should use as the basis for lethality: if you don't have armor and get hit somewhere important, you're gone. And even Beskar is not a substitute for cover and evasiveness. Boba and Jango didn't get shot much even though they could tank some pretty good hits, so they need to avoid this invincible one man army thing Din Djarin and Paz Vizsla keep doing. The Armorer did her best to avoid getting shot in the first place by attacking from behind and being evasive as best she could. Don't even get me started on helmets. Any time I see a Mandalorian fight without a helmet I yell at the screen "always wear your helmet... just shoot him in the face..." Just do the "inside the suit" thing they did for Iron Man if you want to show their expression or sate the actor's ego.
They explained that how Pure Beskar armor is harder to find nowadays and Mando managed to get enough Beskar for a Full Armor rather than mixed with other metals because there wasn't enough. Never got the sense he was Invincible and had nothing to worry about for Mando though since they kept a lot of fight close quarter where he'll be tossed around.
Worth mentioning; while helmets do protect against shrapnel, there was a lot of time in medevil history where you wouldn’t want the helmet on/visor down. Namely in situations where awareness is really important. Wearing a helmet deprives someone of so much information, both sound and visually, that it can put someone in a really bad situation. It’s often why Din is getting shot so often; he just isn’t able to respond to the world around him due to it all being muffled. There’s a reason we generally don’t cover the face that often in modern war gear. Maintaining awareness is far more important than minimal protection, except in the circumstances where protection is really important. A SWAT team only has to worry about clearing a building; so they are probably much more heavily armoured they are dispatched to deal with a single problem, they don’t have to worry about hiking 3-5 miles on patrol. So to me it’s more weird that Mandos put their helmets on so often; and actually Din getting shot to shit makes a lot of sense, because everyone else has a better sense of awareness. Ironically, in replying I’ve learnt something new. All a helmet has to do is deal with heat effectively, blaster bolts just don’t seem as forceful. Just; most armour doesn’t seem capable of stopping a bolt anyway.
Just going to point out: Neither Fett had proper Beskar armor. They had either plasteel or durasteel armor (IDR which off the top of my head. One of the boba fett books where he is a kid and helping Jango maintain his armor after a mission has Jango mentioning not relying on his armor to save him and also specifically explaining that he doesn't scrub his armor clean or polish it because he WANTS the armor to not be shiny and draw attention). Which is nowhere near as capable of dealing with blaster bolts as what actual Beskar is. Din Djarin, going off of even pre-disney lore, could quite literally throw hands with a lightsaber armed opponent, and so long as he caught every attack on a plate, he'd have nothing to fear from the lightsaber itself. He'd still likely get bruised up or possibly even broken limbs from the impacts, but it wouldn't cut through. This is why, if you look at, for example, KOTOR mandalorian armor, it is much more covering overall and also tends to have some protection for soft spots like the throat and underarms. Kotor also has an overabundance of personal energy shielding, precisely because lightsabers and other such implements were a lot more common to encounter, as well as open conflict being generally more frequent in that time frame. Din Djarin surviving stuff is just fine. His suit is full beskar. The armorer's was not. Din is also in a different TYPE of suit from what the Fetts, the Armorer, or the vast majority of mandalorians wear. His suit has better coverage, thicker plates, and is generally just more of a heavy assault suit. It's like comparing someone in full interceptor body armor against somebody with just a soft-body vest. Mandalorian tends to make up for Din's durability by way of having OTHERS around him that he cares for be more at risk. I also agree with the 'no helmets off during combat' thing. They don't even have to show internal shots, just set up some choreography to show off BODY LANGUAGE. You don't need to see their face when their bodies tell the tale, let alone when you also have vocalizations, even things like non-word grunts, able to show off the same things. Taking helmets off is especially stupid in star wars context because mandalorian helmets, unlike the cheap stormtrooper ones, DO NOT restrict field of view.
@@jtnachos16 Dude. It's why I loved Din Jarin with his Helmet on and you can STILL get his expressions.
Lightsaber stabs when used correctly can be a dramatic and clean way to finish off an opponent. Just look at Qui-Gon Jinn's death or a certain death in Jedi Survivor. It makes the deaths PG-friendly and allows the characters to monologue before passing away. However, stabs don't make much sense in actual combat when you're more likely to slash and swipe. Realistically, most deaths would end in dismemberment with people being chopped in two - and not in a "neat" way like Darth Maul. Besides, Shin Hati spins and then stabs when a horizontal slash would actually make way more sense.
You have an amusing complaint that I never thought about much - it does indeed reduce the iconic lethality of lightsabres to a cheap plot device. If you drunk molten metal, I think the effects would be similar - there's no way to survive such extreme heat in the vicinity of major organs. Shock, swelling, blood vessel damage, etc - it'd absolutely be fatal, it isn't just a piece of metal like a knife or bullet.
Honestly, Kylo Ren surviving is at least explained with a force heal. Even Sabine surviving I can forgive because they made it a point to emphasize where she was stabbed, and it's a theoretically survivable wound. The Obi-Wan Kenobi show, however, absolutely ruined Lightsaber stabs, with the Grand Inquisitor surviving a stab no problem and Reva surviving being stabbed twice, both of which were especially egregious because we've seen previously that Vader prefers to kill with a slashing motion, never a stab. It was so needlessly contrived.
The fact that Vader would even risk his victim not dying is laughable. Dude is gonna make sure you’re dead
I am not sure but I think in Legends the type of species that Grand Inquisitor is have like 2 things? And Reva stabbed only one and not two? I'm not sure, but yeah. It sounds stupid
Sabine surviving? Keep the cope high because there is no way she survived that, her organs were immediately cooked and burned on the inside, she was dead as it gets unless she was rushed to medical care and her organs were replaced immediately with artificial ones. For Kylo, yes but he should have been unconscious and in a lot of pain as he got stabbed in the stomach, where more than one organ presides with a plasma blade hotter than the sun. Dinsey is a joke.
@@CommanderFoxclone1010 Yes, they have 2 stomachs in legends and canon
@@A7XKoRnRocks1 Not necessarily Lightsabers and presumably their heat are contained within the field of the blade and they specifically had the wound be somewhere you could realistically survive
she even wiggles the lightsaber while its in Sabine lol
No one understands Qui Gon's death, I'll try to explain. Qui Gon died of his own free will, partly so he could easily heal himself with the help of the force, but why didn’t he do this, you ask me? He knew that Anakin was the chosen one, the chosen one who would bring balance to the force, balance to cleanse the Jedi Order of arrogance. If he had healed himself and trained Anakin, he would not have become Vader and would not have fulfilled his destiny
Apparently they've seen that scene of Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, where Durge gets pierced with a lightsaber, chuckles menacingly and continues whupping Obi-Wan's face, without proper knowledge of what kind of creature Durge was.
I wasn't a sci fi fan until I saw starwars a year prior to disney getting it. What really made me love it was the lightsaber. the idea that the stick on their belt was so lethal, so dangerous that a single slash from one of these insanely agile and fast warriors, could bring your arm clean off, or just straight kill you if you got stabbed. I have legitimately been losing all of my love for sci fi simply because those little tubes that once represented the utmost in lethality, elegance, and monk-warrior philosophy have gone straight out the window in favor of "i can stab you and you no die hahahahahaha"
It's not really sci fi, it's more space fantasy, but your feelings on the matter are valid.
@@auxoltyI’d say sci fi features some sort technological/scientific creation/breakthrough/idea that is explored and provides the main moral dilemma for the characters and story. Star Wars is more about space wizards with sick swords powered by force crystals. It might have futuristic technology as well but that’s not what drives the story. Some of the shows arcs have incorporated more sci fi elements, but the mainline movies aren’t really sci fi.
@@auxolty yeah true doesn’t have to but it often does, either way Star Wars is still not based around or focused on the technology present in the setting.
Force heal is actually a thing in the original canon. How ray knew it could be done with 0 training is beyond me. Goes for most of her abilities. Ashoka would know that and probably healed sabine. Vader would also know it and probably healed reva to use the stab as punishment. Ray wouldn't know how to do it.
Probably Disney trying to push some kind of recycled 'chosen one' plot where the main character is especially gifted so they don't have to show her training and can jump right into the guts of her story. It's like they forgot the reason we liked Luke and Anakin where simple- we obsevered their entire character grow. We watched both of them train and grow in strength from basically nothing. Both of them made huge sacrifices and struggled a lot(Luke less than his father). Rey just shows up with a deep knowladge of the force and stumbles upon Anakins lightsaber with ease. Then she basically awakens and becomes omnipotent. It's a stupid gimmick used to pump out heros cheap, quick, and mad easy.
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In my own copium/headcanon i believe every jedi has a special force power naturally related to them Ezra can connect with animals, Rey and Grogu can use force healing, Yoda can absorb force lighting, Obi-Wan can mind trick naturally
No It is a thing, but it isn’t something like force choke or force throw that just about anyone can learn It’s more difficult to learn then force lightning, and very very very very very few people could do it And it was a dark side power, not a light side (ironic ik) So Rey definitely shouldn’t have just “had it” But Vader and Ahsoka couldn’t have learned it either Palpatine and (in the books) ben solo would have been some of the few that could have learned it But the whole lore and stuff has been thrown out for a while now It’s so dumb
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The scene where Qui-Gon is using his lightsaber to melt through a bulkhead established how powerful lightsabers are. They don't just cut through stuff, but can melt whatever superalloy they use on spaceships on contact. This means that if you get stabbed through the torso, your internal organs will probably get cooked/fried in an instant. There's no way to survive that even with sci-fi super bio-technology. What's worse is if you take into consideration that the human body is 70+ % water, all that water will instantly turn into steam, causing it to explosively expand. So instead of getting a cauterized hole where the energy blade entered, the victim would turn into chunky salsa as the rapidly escaping steam bursts their body apart
5:36 nothing is more jedi than killing a foe who has stood down from combat
Thanks Michael, whether it is Disneysabers or the Chewie force lightning incident, it feels like stakes and tension have been removed from their shows. Disney Star Wars seems to treat lightsabers more as a firework-esque spectacle than a weapon drawn with intent, like a katana.
They’re always drawn with intent. Should’ve used a different description.
This all started with TCW imo. The writers pussied out when they wrote Order 66 as a microchip thing. And bringing Darth Maul back. It's all one-big-butterfly effect.
@@nickthepick8043 I have no idea how giving a reason to why no clone would question order 66 and darth maul being alive has anything to do with lightsaber deaths
@@ivanlol7153 Because it's all interconnected. We start allowing bad writing for one thing, and it leads to another.
I liked that Maul came back, and even if he really was just too angry to die it used that point well as his character ark was basically getting revenge on Kenobi and Sidios but he’s a cool character overall; it kinda made sense when Rey stabbed Ben and then healed him (EVEN THOUGH FORCE HEALING WAS INVENTED LIKE 20 MINUTES PRIOR) but that was for plot development between the two characters that eventually lead back to the end of the movie which is fine for the plot I guess, not to mention that he is the grandson of a very powerful force user who got all of his limbs chopped off and was still insanely powerful; and I guess one could argue that the grand inquisitor was very powerful and was once a temple guard and was probably helped by the two most powerful force wielders of the time; but the third sister is really where it makes no sense; I think they were going for another maul story, but it was just done poorly in general, but at least she can wield the force; the same can’t be said for Sabine who just gets back up the next day like nothing happened (unless is plays a bigger role in the show later on; I think they were trying to replicate the skywalker habit of losing a hand as part of training and character development or something)
It was cool the first time and now it's just stupid.
realistically with everything thats been established in star wars reva being stabbed is the only non explainable one in particular when she was stabbed as a child in the jedi temple where she would have no medical attention for hours upon hours maybe even days with no strong enough connection to the darkside to be able to survive
@@Dest66 honestly it's all stupid. A saber stab should be death no matter if you get treated in 10min or 10 hours.
@@JGburneraccount exactly, the medical attention argument is nonsense. ever tried to turn charcoal into a functioning organ again? yup that won't work ever no matter the medical attention
I like that maul came back as well but only because the fact he is badass. It angers me to no end whenever star wars fans call bs over Sabine getting stabbed and surviving, when she was stabbed in a very resilient organ and rushed to the hospital 2-3 mins after. Meanwhile qui-gon was stabbed in the middle area so it most likely would have snapped his spine as well as him laying there for a long while. It's only when Disney does something like this that it's bad because 65% of this fanbase holds an eternal grudge against Disney for the sequels. I get Disney has ruined lightsabers but they certainly justified it here. Sabine was stabbed in an organ that can still function even when heavily damaged and rushed to a medical facility immediately, along with it set during the time of the new republic which means medical technology would have gone pretty far since the clone wars so I can absolutely see how she survived.
Before Force unleashed dismemberment we had JEDI OUTCAST which basically made the lightsaber a constant beam of pure cutting, you didn't even need to swing it to kill storm troopers. You could just walk into them with it and cut them right in half. Or draw things on the wall. No SW game since has had lightsabers so good.
The channel Overly Sarcastic Productions did a video on character deaths a while back. One of Red’s points was ht hat you are ending all of the potential for a character by killing them off. Maul is a good example of fleshed out potential in Star Wars.
I think the video games not letting you immediately slice everything in half is understandable, because being able to one hit kill everything would ruin the challenge of games like Jedi fallen order and survivor. And to Jedi Survivor's credit they did add some dismemberment in the game.
You can play Survivor with a perk called Purity that basically makes the lightsaber (and blasters) one-shot. Guess what? It's not very fun. Plus, I've seen mods with full dismemberment - they're way over the top for my taste. Pretty much every trooper getting chopped right in half, or chopped diagonally across their chest. Sure, it's more "real," but it looks ridiculous. Survivor has a good balance with just enough dismemberment to keep it impactful.
Exactly, I was actually playing survivor when listening to this and it was the only part of this video that I completely disagree with for the exact reasons you’ve described
@@Patman494 In Fallout, you can take the Bloody Mess perk for a 5% damage boost along with a guarantee, that deaths always result in the goriest death animation. I think it's boring - it's the same animation every time.
@@philippeamon7271only applies if you're playing Bethesda "games"
@@AzumarillConGafasBv I was talking about the Black Isle originals. In Bethesda's, I think they gib and dismember, with some variation
If *any* characters are to survive lightsaber stabs (or getting cut in half), they should be very strong with the Force. Not just any random person. Maul survived with *pure hatred,* but he also turned insane. (Though he regained his sanity later) Even then, Maul died to a lightsaber stab later on. Similar case with Anakin.
Maul didn’t die of a lightsaber stab. Obiwan cut his saber in half, and when maul finally let go of his hatred, he died on the spot like sion
@@RevanReborn3950BBY pretty sure obi cut through the saber and then right into maul.
You could use the force to the stop the wound from being to severe. Using the force to reattach your organs and cool down the area.
@@RevanReborn3950BBYdo you think this implies that KOTOR is canon? If it has been shown that one can survive purely on hatred with the dark side does that mean that Darth sion or even Revan are canon?
OR have lore reasons for it Trench survived lightsaber stabs, as far as I'm aware, but it's because his specie is already very prone to faking death and as a separatist admiral he had access to the best medical prosthetics.
The worst part about Sabine's survival is that perfectly represents how Disney-LucasFilm have come to view the Lightsaber. To them, the lightsaber is a simple piece of iconography. Something that can be thrown at the screen and used to make fans happy, even if the specific use makes zero sense. To them, they think that it's the ultimate piece of fanservice. *A Lightsaber is a dangerous energy weapon that can easily kill you and is fatal in the wrong hands, NOT a piece of fanservice.* The main reason why only Jedi, Dark Jedi and Sith Lords use them is because their force sensitivity ensures that they're the only ones trustworthy to use them. Even Luke Skywalker himself, despite being force sensitive and being gifted the Skywalker Saber by Obi-Wan in the original Star Wars, relied on an E-11 Blaster Rifle for most of the film because he wasn't ready to use it. The main reason he uses the Skywalker Saber more in Empire is because he trained more with it in the time span between films and became a responsible user. In short: Yes, This weapon IS your life. A Lightsaber is a responsibility, and not something to make fans shut up.
Here's a novel idea, no fakeout deaths. write good stories that treats death seriously instead of using cheap tricks
Some of the examples can be argued with, the Grand Inquisitor has like 2 stomachs or something, while Sabine got immediate medical care and was stabbed in a less vital area i think. But for Kylo and Reva its stupid. There are also just so many better ways they could have portrayed some of these scenes, especially the Sabine scene. Like, if they needed her to take an L and get injured, they could just let her hand get chopped off (or another limb) or she gets slashed across the back like Finn does at the end of the Force Awakens.
SEE THIS IS ALL IT TAKES
Kylo got immediate medical attention, granted said attention is BS but it’s still attention
I'm still convinced Finn should at the very least should be paralyzed. That man just had a lightsaber go down his spine. His central nervous system is GONE.
@@MataNui. he was unconscious for a while, even with near immediate medical attention
If sabine wasn't at risk of death without immediate medical attention, there is literally no reason for Ahsoka to not chase down and capture Shin/the map. Slicing her hand off and Ahsoka not chasing Shin = stupid
People are blaming Disney, but they don't know that Dave Filoni did it (Sabine Situation)
Although that is true for the Sabine case it was most likely a executive decision then Dave’s decision
So Disney?
dont blame Filoni, he is the best thing star wars have now
@@Igoorboy 💯 agreed
Dave works for disney
Actually the 1st time was Starkiller. However, I didn't mind since he was bedwritten for while and even left incapacitated on the floor right after.
I can't wait for ahsoka season 2 where sabine gets disintegrated but SOMEHOW returns in a clone body then had in the garage.
At first I thought Sabine got tapped by the lightsaber but no that’s 80% of the lightsaber through her gut yet she survives
Because she got stabbed in a non fatal area and literally received immediate medical attention?
Also why did hati slowly pull it out...why not just slash it out, she was in a rush so it makes it even more dumb.
@@JGburneraccount cause she didn't want sabine dead? Sabine dead means Ahsoka immediately chases and catches her, regains the map.
@@JGburneraccount Same reason no character ever does that.
@@daefaron Then why did she stab Sabine?
I finally lost it during Kenobi episode four when he struck a storm trooper with the light saber, and it bounced off!!! R.I.P light sabers the galaxies most elegant and deadly weapon. May you live forever more in my memories
That stormtrooper was a dark souls boss
Luke vs Vader in Return of the Jedi has\d their lightsabers bouncing off thin metal guardrails. When Liam Neeson used it like some high tech blow torch in Phantom Menace, I was like: what bullshit it this?!
I played a bit of fallen order, and I'm definitely a Star wars fan, but the note about it being more of a glow stick bat rather than a sword is real.
Gonna be honest. Most people who did ever die to lightsabers were either beheaded or sliced through or used on more vital organs like lungs or heart. Spinal cord for QGJ The issue isnt that people arent dying to same things they would in the past. The issue is newer characters just arent skilled enough to hit the opponents on their vitals .
I like how Shin is trying to remove her's lightsaber back from Sabin's body very carefully to not make that hole bigger and don't hurt her more. 😀 When you hold lightsaber in someone's body for few seconds, he has to be for 100% dead.
Sabine's internal organs would've melted in the fleeting moment the saber was held there
She can literally do a simple swipe and sabin now has a closet casket funeral
All she had to do was move the saber in any direction and Sabin is dead but plot armour and bad writing to the rescue. In the CW we saw characters get saber impaired and pretty sure most if not all of them died like the duchess she gets stabbed and is alive for about 5 seconds
@@awesomeguy9513 Lightsaber can literally melt massive steel door just by holding it inside, when you stab someone with a lightsaber, he should be 100% dead. Maybe someone could say that jedi can use the force or something, but Sabin was not able to use the force in this moment. When someone stabs you with something what is that hot that it can melt massive door, your organs and blood just turn into goulash that I will just take a spoon and eat from you. 😀
Disney doesn't just not understand lightsabers. They don't understand Star Wars either.
I wasn't aware of this because I've basically given up on SW. But, yeah, it's kind of silly that across 2 trilogies these things were lopping off arms and heads on contact, compared to whatever they do now.
I think in terms of film making, Lucas said dismemberment was used for "pivotal" moments. I E luke or Ani losing a hand. Maul being cut in half. Usually characters fall over if it wasn't an important moment or character. I think even Quigon being stabbed was to tell us, yeah, this is a part with consequences. The hand dismemberment is so much better because you see the heroes need to replace their lost limb. But surviving a belly stab usually it's just put a bandaid or bacta over it. There's no permanent consequence so they don't learn their lesson. Even getting cool spider legs as Maul is a nice, pivotal change to the character. Akin to Vader's half-body which works to his benefit in being taller and more imposing, heavy, etc. So now I just yawn whenever a character gets their tummy tickled. I think the best example was Star Killer, where he got stabbed from behind, signalling vaders betrayal, and being slammed and beaten to a point Palps believed he were dead, but the devs/writers know since we are the protag, we'll be okay, so we know it's part of a plan to (after extensive surgery) bring back star killer to the shadows to do Vader's bidding, and make him believe Vader had a plan to keep him longer, while showing Vader's volatile, unsure, conflicted nature and exposing star-killer to it. Post Scriptum: This is also, as much as I am also a fan, I am against how fans always cry against dismemberment. One hit kills? Yes. But I like dismemberment as a cinematic tell. But if you want to really insist on having it as a gameplay element for "funs" sake, I'll be alright with that in moderation.
Few points worth mentioning 1 a lot of sabers do have a baseball bat module that makes it like a training saber when they don’t want to kill. That is what kenobi used 2 y’all don’t understand the fact a blade of plasma instantly cauterises wounds so characters injured won’t bleed. That paired with medical technology would be a low based on real world statistics on gun, if we take a gun shot to the lung 98% will probably survive irl but with some severe problems that would take over a month to heal. 4, darksiders use hate to stay alive, for example reva probably died after forgiving Luke. 5 medical advancements. Wars boost ingenuity in the weapons and medical technology. There was a big war. 6 ren was healed by the force. If you get shot and it goes out the other side you should go to the hospital as gun shots are pretty survivable with exceptions
Here’s the issue with number 2. They use blasters as well, a shot would pretty much cauterize the wound as well. Like sure they use advanced medical advances and Force Heal to help people, but it’s becoming less exciting because you expect a random emergency service vehicle nearby.
I think something should be made clear. The Maul being cut in half and the Grand Inquisitor being stabbed, and both surviving, have an explanation in lore as to why they survived their wounds. Dark Side users can survive lethal wounds out of hatred alone, they are literally to angry to die. But the Light Side ones are lazy indeed.
And the Grand inquisitor has 2 stomachs aperantly
@@just1rando the Grand Inquisitor is enough of a high end non-Sith Dark Sider that I can excuse him using hatred to survive. Double stomachs is a cop out
@@tatersalad76 Fr lol
Stupid explanation they shoulda stayed dead.
I played the game dark forces in ps1 from start to finish and i didnt see no lightsabers in that once unless maybe in a cut scene but i dont recall that ever happening, i loved that game but i distinctly remember being unamused there wasnt any light sabers.
There's also a symbollic aspect to this. Losing a hand or leg has symbollic weight aside from the dramatic weight: the right hand repressents the ability to do honest work and make a living, losing it in a duel shows the moral consequences of wavering in battle, of neglecting training, the price that mercy demands or something like that. Similarly the feet can repressent the ability to stand or to walk, symbollically, not just literally. Losing a foot can throw a character into the abyss lacking ground to stand on, or can trap the character spiritually in a depressed state, robbing them of the ability to "walk" through life towards their goals. But the stabbings? Maybe there could be something with a female character who desires to become a mother losing her womb in the stabbing? But that's about the limit of what a light saber stabbing could possibly achieve symbolically. Unless someone else can suggest something else? Much better to use it as the way to make characters die.
I actually think this deserves some expansion by discussing some examples of what I am talking about. 1. Empire strikes back, Luke vs Vader. Luke has refused to acknowledge fully what he learned in the cave on Dagobah, he already knows of his relation to Vader, yet he makes himself blind to this reality. He is conflicted, and thus he wavers in the fight and loses his hand, here Vader tells the audience why Luke is a bit off of his game, and Luke is forced to face that uncomfortable truth, Vader snatches it out of his blindspot and forces him to acknowledge it. This emotional charge in the scene demands Luke's loss of limb. 2. Return of the Jedi, Luke vs. Vader This time it is Vader who is conflicted, torn between his loyalty to Palpatine and his implicit love for his son, yet Luke, no longer conflicted, refuses to fight. It is only when Vader gleans Leia's existence from Luke's feelings that Luke finally fights. Consider that, given his already conflicted state, learning of Leia should draw Vader back towards the light, towards his family that just became a beautiful and feisty daughter richer. Instead Vader suggests that her existence devalues Luke, now he can use Leia as his apprentice who will help him overthrow Palpatine, and thus, can dispose of Luke. The conflicted Vader wavers in the fight, and loses his hand. Again, there is a massive emotional subtext to the scene which demands that outcome. 3. Attack of the Clones, Anakin vs. Dooku It's a bit different here, not so tied up in the internal emotional conflict, rather losing a limb is the consequence of Anakin's sins. In this scene Dooku manages to down Obi-Wan who is grazed on his arm and leg... Obi-Wan only sustains minor injuries. Anakin jumps in to save Dooku, Obi-Wan tosses Anakin his lightsabre so that the Padawan can borrow his strength. Dooku first breaks Anakin's lightsabre, leaving Anakin without any strength of his own, fighting with only that which he borrowed from Obi--Wan... We already know that Obi-Wan loses to Dooku, so of course Anakin loses, but unlike his master he loses an arm. Why? Well, Anakin has strayed off of the path of the Jedi. He slaughtered the Sand people, he married Padme in secret. His sins and his impiety are why he loses his own strength, and why his master's strength cannot spare him from real harm. Finally 4. Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan vs. Anakin This time we find Anakin at an absolute emotional low. He has killed Mace Windu, killed the younglings, betrayed everything he ever stood for, and worst of all, he has, with his own hands, harmed the woman he loves, the mother of his children, the very thing that motivated all these other betrayals in the first place. This is an Anakin with NOTHING left to lose... well except for an arm and two legs... Obi-Wan does not hold the literal high ground... he holds the moral and emotional high ground. Anakin cannot succeed against him because Anakin does not at this point even know who he is anymore. Obi-Wan by contrast holds true to Jedi teachings, despite how deeply he cares for his pupil he still has it in himself to fight with lethal intent, that tempting line of attachment is one Obi-Wan has managed to not cross. There is something to be said for the Anakin vs. Dooku rematch... I think it is mostly reflective of Palpatine betraying one apprentice to take on a new one, rather than any sort of wavering or uncertainty on Dooku's part (though I am certainly not an expert on the prequels). Note here interestingly that Anakin stands at a fork in the road, where path of the Sith and the path of the Jedi split, and he stands with a Blue Jedi sabre in his honest right hand, and a Red Sith sabre in his sinister left hand, and Palpatine, positioned to his left pulls him onto the dark path. I've not subjected myself to all of these Disney made knock-offs... the sequel trilogy was bad enough. However, from what I have seen and heard, this sort of emotional and symbolic backdrop is entirely absent from the lightsabre duels in these shows.
star wars be like, "hey dude why weren't you at school today?" "oh i just got stabbed by a lightsaber, it's fine, i got some first aid by the teacher and just had to sleep for the rest of the day." "damn, that sucks, see you tomorrow!"
Going by the power output we see Qui-gon's blade do in episode one with the door, a lightsaber would either VAPORIZE OR EXPLODE YOU if stabbed and held like that. it could cause your hydrogen and oxygen atoms to BURN LIKE A FLAME as they incinerate your body in a chain reacton, or boil your insides fast enough to Pop you
Exactly. It generally doesn't because it would be far too grizzly for the screen, but realistically a stab wound from a loghtsaber would destroy so much of your internal organs you'd die unless you almost immediately got put on full life support. A slash that cuts someone in 2, then it would be doing damage a couple inches around the slash, maybe with force bullshittery you could survive. And stab in the torso? Actually just straight dead, your remaining guts and sloshing around in the cooked soup of the rest of your guts.
I don't know much about lightsaber however I have a lotta with shrapnel wound. The thing is when 122mm or other round has explored it turned into pieces. This shrapnel fragments have speed near the sonic ( more or less depending on expansive agent and a shell material). Each of shrapnel has about 200-400 C . So any wound dead cooked meat around tunnel left by the shrapnel fragments. It is common knowledge that human can survive shoot into a abdominal area. However it is gonna be several surgeries up ahead. Actually cutting off intestines is common in Ukrainian this time. We can reform "stomach" but it will never work as an actual stomach. Lossing of intestines is nothing too detrimental. In my opinion the deadly effect comes from internal burn effect and shock. It will hurt even with a saber out coz part of you will still burn literally. It still bossiable to survive, however it will take an extensive treatment and a long time to recover. And do to boiling blood it can coz other problem then just cutting and replacement you gutts . On side of extensive burns, burned tissue coz a lotta toxicity for the kidneys. It likely to survive initial impact but perish later due to kidneys shock P s sorry for my poor English. With all my respect I'm only pharmacist and a paramedic due to war happened
You are completely right, except for the gaming part. Jedi Survivor features dismemberment, not only for creatures and droids, but also for humanoids like stormtroopers or raiders. It is limited to 1-2 limbs though. I guess they decided to not have this feature in the previous game to be able to reach a wider audience and added it to Jedi Survivor because of fan resonance. I aggree though, a lightsaber should cause more damage than that
100% agree on all points. Sabers have literally dismembered people in every single Star Wars film until Disney's EP.VII. Honestly the fight with Kylo in VII wouldn't have bothered me at all if Rey lost a limb in the struggle to defeat the "trained since a young child to be a jedi knight" Kylo
Finn got the same kind of injury as Obi-Wan in AOTC. Glancing blow that takes someone out of the battle but is survivable.
Kylo was trained by a self taught combatant but never really experienced combat himself. Rey was shown to be an experienced combatant at the start of the movie
I bet you are also fine with a self taught combatant defeating the person that killed countless of those highly trained combatants
@fishdick2006 Kylo was trained by Luke and later by not-Palpatine. Neither of those two fall under the category of "self trained". ALSO HE KILLED LUKE'S OTHER STUDENTS AND COUNTLESS RESISTANCE MEMBERS. I doubt those padawan just let him kill them. Bro's had plenty of combat experience. Which is why it makes even less sense Rey beat him. Even in a 2v1
@@macjj868 Nah, Rey is copying all his answers and putting her own sparkle-glue on top, for her answer. Kylo desperately needed Corpseror Gangrene's unlimited powaahhh, to overwhelm her, and not get killed eventually. Luckily, Rey needed an obviously super-evil super-villain to make herself a Hello, My Name Is Hero. So that worked out conveniently. Infinite magic power is so very useful.
When I watched this and saw Sabine get stabbed, there was no gasp, no “Oh my god!” All i said was “She’s fine. Fuck you disney.” I hate that stabs are completely worthless in the Star Wars world now until it happens to a favourite character (cough) Paz (cough)
The issue with lightsabers is that they were originally intended to just be swords but with "space" flavor to them, without having to think or apply how monstrously strong they would be if you looked at them realistically. An actual fight involving a lightsaber/s would be two people flinging them around like glow sticks to see who could decapitate the other person first because they are literally weightless swords that can cut through anything and deflect projectiles. The fights involving them have become about the theatrics
Plasma is the substance that is the HOTTEST part of the sun, and lightsaber blades are supposedly made of plasma. For fantasy/sci-fi sake, we'll say that the heat won't instantly kill you, that being said, getting stabbed anywhere near your organs should, at the VERY least, be severely life altering with permanent damage. Now, if Qui-Gon had been treated quickly, I would argue that he could have survived, but he likely would have retired from active Jedi duty, and would have been regulated as a group teacher for certain youngling classes. All of the other examples that I have seen (Finn's melted spine, the multiple stab wounds in the various series, etc.) NONE of those people received medical aid until LONG after the amount of time that a Jedi MASTER was able to keep himself alive with the force. Maul has a bit of an exception, as he was able to use the dark side to keep himself alive until he could get himself treated; I don't necessarily agree with him surviving, but at least it was clear that he was permanently altered.