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It's hilarious how seriously Michael Avanetti was taken when in just a couple of years he would be a convicted felon facing up to like 40 years in prison for attempted extortion of Nike
he's a fukin rat, woud love to meet him
Not to mention ripping off $millions $$ from Stormy Daniels...Frikkin lawyers...hahaha
Avanetti was being talked about as potential presidential candidate! On liberal radio! Him and Cuomo were 2 they loved!
@@DaleGribble1 you can just look at him and know right away he's a douchebag
"get used to it"
Well, this aged like fine wine...
Seriously How could anyone Associate with Avenatti.
Damn this was awkward to re visit. Poor Jordan.
Absolutely. This was 2018 and Jordan Peterson kind of envisioned that something like the insurrection at the capitol would happen... And the problem is still ongoing... you have over 70 million people who feel represented by Trump and despise the views of the other side.
@@marianlohr9746 "you have over 70 million people who feel represented by Biden and despise the views of the other side" I assume you're aware of the hypocrisy.
@@chrstsm Yes except one side feels politically homeless and the other has behaviors encouraged by celebrities, social media, and Tech giants. I saw red flags as soon as we started siding with companies that said they're on our side by changing the background color of their profile picture for a month.
Doctor Peterson pointed out an issue that really happened. He actually predicted the problem that would happen in the future.
I agree. Yep, it was an excellent question and point that was completely lost on them.
Bill was also saying... Trump would never leave peacefully... There is no solution to being radicalised
Trump is a big threat to the left because, Trump is a very CAPABLE President, unlike many before him. Trump will actually get many done, and he has a long list of accomplishments!! That is why the left is soooooo very desperate to remove him, so very desperate to make up false smear tactics against Trump.
@@jeffjohnson5053 you're about a year late bud
As much as I respect him, his knowledge and expertise it was not difficult to predict that. It was there to happen just like that. Historically that what's happening every time. That's human nature. I would say everybody choose not to talked about it. Nobody looked interested when Dr. Peterson mention it. Almost like they wanted that to happen just to blame Trump for it. That's really Fvcked up if you willing to go to that Xtreme, putting lives and future of you nation/country at danger to regain power. That's dictatorship if you asking me regardless if it was done for right reason or not.
This conversion is pretty disheartening :/ as a liberal i think jp asked a really important question that essentially went over the heads these panelist
are you seriouse? it was the most childish question ever.
@@adish7275 if you think the question is childish, then the point went over your head too.
If you didn't understand the question then you are truly stupid or someone who is on the wrong side of the question because the question was about how certain humans would be treated if others got their way. Bill pretty much answered it tho. He called Trump supporters carnival people. The left sees us as dumb and uneducated as you can tell by the woman calling the left "intellectuals" so how do you think Trump supporters would be treated if the left got their way.
@@thevideogamearchive. repost: First of, Dr. Peterson is famously right leaning (he admits it) but his point, was that the conversation between the left and the right is becoming more destructive/dysfunctional. His point was, even though you don't agree with a group of people, you still have to live with them (you share a country). So, what do you do with the disaffected 40% of the people who voted for Trump after he's impeached/convicted or whatever? Even though they may like him for the wrong reasons, they are still left alone in the dark. This would eventually lead to them only digging their heels in (fake news, climate change is bogus, faith is the corner stone of the constitution, etc...). This would in turn, make the left dig their heels in even further by alienating a big portion of the population because they don't see them as individuals who have lost faith in the system, they see them as far right idiots (group identities usually remove the humanity from the equation). Regardless of your feelings towards either party or any particular political affiliation, this is an important question to ask because the consequences could be catastrophic if not dealt with (according to Dr. Peterson).
@@theman1860 You are right, it is a really important question. Dr. Peterson is NOT "famously right leaning" and has never admitted anything of the sort. Rather, he has adamantly rejected that notion and claims himself to be a classical liberal and traditionally on the left, but asserts that the modern left has moved dangerously too far left, to the point of radicalization. Your statement is illustrative of a common misconception, especially by young people. I voted for Obama in 2008 and if I'd been asked then to place myself on the political spectrum I would have been squarely left-of-center. My beliefs and values have evolved since then, but really only to the degree that I understand where they come from better - the core hasn't shifted that much at all. However, the political spectrum has changed so much since then that now by default I would be labeled conservative or "a right-winger", even though I still consider myself fairly liberal, because I disagree with a lot from the radical left that is quickly becoming the mainstream. Obama endorsed things like the need for secure borders and stopping illegal immigration, protecting freedom of speech, and fatherlessness being the biggest social problem in America. Those are all now right-leaning positions (and usually referred to as alt-right by the left). The left now says that securing the border is racist, speech they disagree with should be silenced, and that racism is our biggest social problem. Peterson is not saying that the 40% need to be considered, even if they like Trump for the wrong reasons. He's saying that there are many in that 40% who aren't in there because they actually like Trump, but because they dislike the political shift that has happened on the left that has placed them in the "Trump-camp" by default, and that the involuntary reversal of the election of Trump would be another step toward a tyrannical takeover by a radical leftist ideology that they abhor, which is what will lead to catastrophe.
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they’ve been fooled.” - Mark Twain
only because of our shit education system.
The difficult part is convincing someone that they're on the side of the fooled.
Its also easier to copy paste wise Sentences instead of write them by yourself.
@@bradwest4821 yeah right…found out not to soon after that Mark Twain never said this. It’s an unattributed quote. 🤷🏾♂️
@@CuriousConnoisseurs Mark Twain's or yours, both will be uncanonical, so don't bother
I appreciate how much respect Bill has for Jordan.
Bill is just a mockery
Because he knows Jordan could think circles around him.
Why? He is a BS operator who's psuedo intellectual right-wing propaganda have radicalized many thousands of people.
@@Brett_S_420 Says a guy who doesn't know when to use whose properly. It's time for you to give up proper debate and just play Fortnite, kid.
@@Brett_S_420 the people who hate Peterson the most dont read much of any science or psychology The people who fawn over him haven't read much science or psychology either
these people didn't even try to understand his question, let alone answering it.
what was so complicated about his question?
@Slavic Soldier They would have to admit they had no answer that makes them look good.
Imtiaz Hasnain what question was that?
They did answer him they said attack trump not his supporters. Also why don’t you ask him how much money he took from the Koch brothers to recruit people into the alt right? Which he has and does
I'll answer the question: Nothing, Mr. Peterson, nothing. Nothing will happen to these people that identify with Trump. They'll continue to vote against their own self interest time and time again and continue to benefit off of the political reforms passed by the very party they hate. A New York City conman and failed business man knows exactly when he sees a sucker. And there are many suckers. Millions.
They never answered Peterson's question, and it's a good one.
brettfavreify lol, alex Wagner just destroyed peterson - she evaporated her question together with his entire ideology
True she shut his entire argument down. He's not wrong about the disturbing level of political correctness the left has reached but he's a very triggered person and he's reasoning is nothing short of what most xenophobic and anti-socialist conservatives are using. He kept contradicting his own statements especially at the "5:29" time frame where he said it was two different issues when the core factor is still the same which is illumination. She proved there that he clearly had a "my truth is the only truth" mentality which he clearly deems a mindset of the less developed. When in reality it is correct the democratic mistakes are nature defying atrocities but the conservative ones "which are not farther effective then their's at large" are merely nothing but dark dots in their progress of building an exclusive, secluded, and very war mongering entity which is a dictatorship. Which is what professor Peterson ever so desperately longs for.
@@crasherball She avoided the question, and that was after she tried to misquote him several times. Did you not watch the video?
@@taytaybeynippy486 your quote "Xenophobic" Prove that one. Otherwise it's baseless beyond you echoing someone else's words. Anti-socialist, uh, duh. Socialism, communism, identitarianism, etc. All have deep roots in Marxism. The teachings of Karl Marx, a German Socialist. (Guess what other German Studied Marx, let alone the Russian, the Chinese leaders who followed it) Who Peterson happens to be against completely. If you did any bloody research, you'd see that. Now socialism, There's a dangerous side of it. To ignore such is intellectually dishonest to his arguments and any arguments you would make. Conservative... That's the dumbest thing I've read. The Far Right call him left, you guys call him right.. You've obviously never done your research before speaking.... *Smh* Did they teach you as a kid to do your due diligence before speaking on a subject, or person? He's a Classic Liberal. You know? The ones who had some sense? Now, notice he wasn't given a full chance to respond before being interrupted, then she went on a different subject. Plus, you weren't paying attention to his answer. right before that she misquoted him. Yeah, she made her self seem intellectually challenged... She destroyed nothing 😂😂 And you think the Far right isn't a Problem? Your talking about guys Worshipping the teachings of Zündel, A literal Nazi. White nationalism under a Socialist regime. You don't even know what the Far right want... They hate him. I just got done with a three week debate with random Far right followers misquoting Peterson and pushing Propaganda. You know nothing of what those guys want. Let alone how much they hate him. And as for him, he's always been against them. From the start. But, you'd know that if you did your due diligence. Go in peace kiddo.
@@fayemarshall2254 No, he didn't answer the question... The question wasn't what will they be like. The question was What do you with the 40% that are displaced by Trumps removal from office. Not what will the Right do, But what will the left do if things go south with the Far right? Get just as bad? That's the dangers in identitarianism. Anyhow, Nobody answered the question. Go back and rewatch kid.
These people don't understand that their condescending tone is for a good part what made Trump so popular.
And when has Trump ever been condescending to anyone.
yup
Dumps racist rhetoric made dump popular. Nothing more.
Bullshit
Suck it up
"He's a dictator!" "He can't stop us from doing what we want to do!" Pick one.
"Trump's a dictator!" - "We want the government (Trump) to take everyone's guns and do away with the second amendment."
"We need more laws to combat hate speech, while leaving the definition of 'hate speech' as broad and open to interpretation as possible" "We are living through a dark time of right-wing control over government"
Nobody, literally nobody is saying he IS a dictator. Why do you people always strawman? You just act like everyone in the left is calling Trump Hitler, while I have not heard that once. Mabye get your head out of you KZhead bubble and actually look at the real world? Talk to people? Resisting people in power with autocratic/authoritarian tendencies through peaceful protest and free speech rational. No need to pick anything here.
You have not been paying attention: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/08/barack-obama-accused-comparing-donald-trump-hitler/ theconversation.com/trump-hitler-comparisons-too-easy-and-ignore-the-murderous-history-92394 newrepublic.com/minutes/124205/yes-donald-trump-fascist www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/29/donald-trump-britain-first-fascist-sympathiser theconversation.com/fascisms-return-and-trumps-war-on-youth-88867
Psychedelta Blues You say you have never heard anyone call Trump Hitler, not once. I say you are a liar. Google search "Trump Hitler," then talk to me about a strawman.
1:55 You can hear Jordan holding back tears as his heart breaks for the residents of the "fly-over states". He expresses his concern that Americans are on the verge of real violence and chaos and the audience and panelists just laugh. His quote "You need to have respect for your fellow citizens" fell on deaf ears.
Lollll
Bill Maher compared Trump supporters to Iraqis... after their dictator/leader was ousted by the US
Truth
Needs to go both ways
That whole panel (except for Peterson and to a MUCH lesser degree Maher) are a bunch of fools and crooks. And sadly the sycophantic audience ate it up. So sad. (But luckily, now in 2022 people are finally starting to see the light.)
" Trump can not stop me from the first net neutrality bill..." **gets stopped**
The Republicans allowing a monopoly, in fact a left-wing monopoly, in the cable internet market is bad for everyone, including Republicans. Dare I say it's worse for Republicans. Trump made a big mistake with Ajit Pai as FCC chairman, and basically gave into corporate lobbyists.
I love how the whole panel is dodging Peterson's questioning. Give 'em hell Jordan.
He got crushed against Sam Harris. Peterson is in the minor leagues compared to an intellectual giant like Harris.
@Moderate American Uh, no, actually I don't always agree with Harris. Rather, I simply that that his intellectual capacity, superior logic, and jaw-dropping reasoning ability make him extremely difficult to top in a debate
@@fishbone3333 Nah, Harris is a very rezonable guy, and debates well. But he is not profound in any level whatsoever. He is not profound when he talks about philosophy, he hasnt read Nietzche, Dostoievsky, Foucalt, Lacan, Hegel, etc etc. Harris debates well against religous extremists, which is not that hard, as they are not very bright, but put him against some one who knows pshycology and philosophy and you see he is not that sophisticated. Same goes to Richard Dawkins
@@fishbone3333 He got crushed by Zizek too, a communist of all people, lmao.
I guess you didnt understand the answer. Bruni basically acknowledged what he was saying and gave literally a solution.
The one thing this video proves is how much more intelligent Peterson is than the rest of them.
How so ?
@@Wendy-gs4qt listen, moronn
These people (except Bill perhaps) were still talking about how bad Trump was instead of providing a practical solution when Peterson asked how they would want to bring the society together by finding common grounds. I guess the establishment finally saw what Peterson predicted after the Capitol attack.
@@wisdomleader85 Two things to consider there: a) This was in 2018, so Trump's biggest crimes (the coup attempt) weren't even visible or committed yet; and b) What would a practical solution look like? If 40% of the population either believe the crazy lies they are told (by the last President & the Republicans & FOX News or worse channels) or don't care, because they hate the other side so much - what can you do about that, "practically"? Nice user name, by the way - though as a German I have to correct: We say "Leck mich AM Arsch".
@@maxmonster1432 Starting a day with an ignorant and arrogant post from you seems to be quite a treat. Two things for you to consider here: a) The largest political faction in this country are the independents. Just because Trump got 40% of the votes doesn't mean 40% of the voters are all Republicans and his diehard "fans". Many who voted for him actually voted for Obama twice in previous elections. b) The first "practical" solution for you specifically, is to get off your high horse and start learning about the side you despise so much yet know virtually nothing about. I chose this user name to honor Mozart, by the way, so perhaps you should have looked it up first before pointing your finger at me.
Seeing what just happended in the Capitol, what an amazingly accurate question by JP
Well, the man is well-trained, long-practicing clinical psychologist. He'd seen more types of people and personalities than the average human. It's safe to say that he can read people pretty well.
@@kunipeg8706 Yeah, but even more power to him since "intelectuals" criticize a lot his "individual" approach to analyze/predict problems of society, but the fact is that he is usally correct
@@kunipeg8706 He can read people well....including deranged lunatic losers. It is interesting that he didn't pose the opposite question...."What will happen if Trump wins re-election". Of course he did not ask that question because he knew that the people who wished Trump to be ousted would also rationally, and sanely, accept the results of a free and fair election. Conversely...we have butt-hurt Trumptards claiming that the election was stolen from them...even in states that were controlled by Republicans like Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona.
@@fishbone3333 Probably because impeaching Trump was the topic at the time instead of another election? This video was made in 2018, two years before the next presidential election and even a year before an official presidential impeachment would transpire, mind you.
I’m disappointed that no one really wanted to delve into Jordan Peterson’s question. This panel simply perpetuated the issue Peterson had highlighted.
I guess you didnt understand the answer. Bruni basically acknowledged what he was saying and gave literally a solution.
These idiots prove JP’s point just by their existence 😂
@@villegas24 the part where she tried to say that peoples' criticism of political correctness is nullified simply because they're willing *as they have always been* to be viciously un-pc towards white folks, straight people, men and/or anyone to the right of them politically? Cuz that's just....banana's lmao
Can you really expect an honest answer from ideologues when the question asks them to be critical of tribalism? The answers were entirely predictable: A) Our system is fine and Trump is an aberration (Bill Maher) B) Trump is stupid (Michael Avenatti) C) Trump supporters aren't enlightened like us and we need to show them the way (Frank Bruni) D) You can't argue against political correctness and accuse us of not being politically correct (Alex Wagner) So you end up with: A) There's nothing wrong with my side (Bill Maher) B) Ignore the content of a question by making a cheap shot (Michael Avenatti) C) We're elite and can't expect others to be as smart and conscious as us (Frank Bruni) D) Projection of cognitive dissonance instead of being honest about the question (Alex Wagner) Justification of tribalism, belittling of outsiders, elitism, and invalidation of perceived criticism. I think Peterson made his point.
I wonder if he knew that and wanted them to answer his question indirectly without them knowing.
Maher and Peterson are a perfect match. I find it funny that people wouldn't expect them to agree on things. For me it was automatic, I just knew they would since I like both of them a lot. Both are sane critical thinkers who generally see through the bullshit. Neither are really left or right wing despite the majority of their fanbases being polarized. Maher is leftish... But moderate... And actually pisses off the idiotic fringe SJW regressive leftists who he also hates. Peterson calls himself a center Classical Liberal and sees good ideas on both sides of the political spectrum... But his fanbases is mostly right wing... Because the garbage SJW regressives have created propaganda about him to try and silence him. These two are a match made in heaven and it was a joy to watch.
I 100% agree with you! They are really great together! But I hope some tv program will invite them both in the future for longer, serious disccussion, because here, this format, the audience constantly interrupts with squeaks and applause etc., really doesn't allow for a long, serious discussion.
I'm actually not sure if most of Peterson's fans are right-wing, I think a lot of us are left of center and just very upset with where our own side is headed, which is the extremism we often see accompanied with it today. Now, of course I could be wrong when I say this, but I generally see myself as left of center and most people I've met at least who like Dr. Peterson are on the same side as me, although of course that doesn't dictate perfectly just how many of his followers could be on the right side. That being said, I'm also not an American so perhaps my view on this is especially wrong because I'd assume most of his supporters are going to be American, or at least that his largest national fanbase is American out of all countries he might have fans in.
You can tell Petersen was holding back. Maher is far more left than he is. They are good together for no more than 10 minutes until Maher starts his daily tirade against Trump or the right. Petersen seeks truth and Maher attempts to create his own.
TheFirstCause that’s a lot of name calling, there, for someone so enlightened and rational...
@Lance Colbert No I think Bill just has a terminal case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Peterson asked a very important question. That conversation should be had often in the media.
Peterson is so great. His sanity is almost cringy in the presence of left extremists
How is that people dont understand that Petersen IS a lefty liberal democrat socialist. But with common sense.
@@GhostRaiter i like Peterson an I am a liberal leftist however I wouldn't categorize him as a liberal. He has strong conservative views, even worse, bases his reasoning strongly on the bible. This is not criticism, I couldn't care less about his beliefs but he is not a leftist.
@@villegas24 He is a classic liberal and is left-leaning, as stated _and_ demonstrated in multiple of his interviews. He doesn't "base his reasoning strongly on the bible", he instead abstracts as much meaning as *metaphorically* possible, since it has stories full of archetypes that deeply resonate within people in a NON-religious manner. It's the psychoanalysis of the HUMAN writers and thoughts/ideas behind the bible.
@@villegas24 Incidentally, he also did this with multiple other religions, and other stories overall, from Buddhism to Shakespeare to Pinocchio to many other literary works. And a _huge_ part of his reasoning also comes from historical books, such as the Gulag Archipelago, meaning it's grounded in historical facts, as well, plus his 20+ years of experience as a clinical psychologist.
Sane people don't use horse tranquilizers on themselves.
Theres something about JBP that just shines a bright light on people's biases and stupidity and makes it clear for any reasoned mind to see. its beautiful
I think his (Peterson) question about what happens to the pro trump chunk of the electorate if/when the president is removed is a good question for the American left to be asking. You don't want someone more competent and malicious than Trump to come along and use those voters to gain power. The fact that he (a Canadian centrist) is the one asking and not the ones that want the Democratic party to win is kinda interesting.
What happens to those who supported Trump when he's kicked out or removed from office either by being voted out or the force of law? Let me see, what's happened to every other constituency of a politician was removed from officer? They either acknowledge he did wrong, and/or move on or seethe about it for years to come literally like every other constituency of every other politician whether they be a president or otherwise. Why all of a sudden does special treatment need to be afforded to Trump supporters because they backed a shitty politician?
Apillis124 No special treatment needs to be given to them, but if they are a pretty big group that is politically active (and is only going to be more active and angry if their god emperor is removed) then shouldn't the party opposing him be concerned about how they will react?
Morgan No. They shouldn't. Highly charged politically active groups lose during every politician's term numerous times within every generation. Besides, taking on this stance that Trump supporters need to be treated with kids' gloves "in case he gets the boot" is enormously condescending toward them in its own right. Should he get knocked out of office, their actions are their own regardless--they preach personal responsibility--hold them to it, no more no less.
Do you think he’s the only one asking that question? And asking a question isn’t very proactive. Having the solution is. Asking the question is nothing brave, intellectual, or new.
Apillis124 Apillis124 Apillis124 I am not saying that they need to be handled any differently than any other political movement. I am saying that when a political movement is essentially a cult of personality then there needs to be more of a plan in place to deal with it beyond just removing the personality. Since the U.S. is a democracy they can't just be ignored so his question is in my view a good one. Even if Trump is removed, the problems that caused people to put him in power will remain.
Sad to watch them all ignore the valid concern brought up by Jordan, and turn it back into shit talking Trump.
And the irony of what would happen in January 2021
@@pjdiver3 Yes....Peterson was simply saying that a bunch of butt-hurt Trump supporters would react negatively, even violently, to their man-god losing. Sorry, Jordan, we don't have time to make sure the feelings of Trumptards aren't hurt. IMHO, there should have been a much higher body count on Jan 6th because the Capitol Police should have killed many more of the insurrectionists who sought to undermine our democracy and overthrow the government.
@@fishbone3333 12 cities broke their all time murder records in 2021. All 12 were run by Democrats As a result of the skyrocketing murders Minneapolis/St Paul has added over $30 million to their police budgets.
@@fishbone3333 according to liberal media Axios the 2020 summer riots did nearly $2 Billion in damage Around 20 people were killed
@@pjdiver3 What happened? Mass trespassing because they didn't trust the democrats after five years of false accusations and lies? The democrats created the mistrust that half the nation felt and now we deal with Biden as President.
This is a comedy show, Jordan is wasting his time there
its set up as comedy show so that when people get mad he can say, "its a comedy show!" All he has to do is make a couple of wise cracks now and then to make sure that remains true. The guests Bill brings on aren't that of a comedian, and they never have any intension of being funny. Even so, JP was wasting his time there. Bill has someone like JP on just to say that he did. they never actually wanted to hear what he thinks.
It's a comedy show that has intellectual conversations.
@@625098evan Did u even watch the interview? I agreed with you at first about the nature of the show but Bill clearly respects JP and agrees with him on a lot. The other panelists are a different story but don't go hating on one of the very few shows out there that still has even a semblance of bipartisan debate, flawed though it may be.
Look into Jordan Peterson's clips, interviews, Q&A's etc.. Not just the Cathy Newman interview. Whether you agree, disagree, just be open.
I think the more people will look at him the more they'll like him; I'm personally a big fan, read his book, watched most of his podcasts (especially loved his analysis of lion king, pinocchio, and bible stories) and interviews. Just cant get enough of this man!
I have watched so many clips of him to the point I searched for videos of him getting owned in a debate just to see if it's possible, but he is indestructible. His logic is solid.
The most significant question on the panel went unanswered. Dr. Peterson was exactly right...simply removing Trump does not remove the 40-45% of people who supported him. The country will only become more polarized.
This governor can't stop tooting his own horn.
Jordan Peterson has, again, to be adult one in the room.
To be adult one in the room? I don’t think you phrased that correctly 😂😂
Well he is the only one that has less to gain here...all the other are politicized and they have alot to gain through division.
Peterson’s question went unanswered and I’m worried that that actually means something for us now.
Jordan Peterson does not do well in short formats because his ideas are too nuanced to be examined in 10 minutes. Anyone who thinks he got "owned" here clearly didn't understand what he was driving at.
Margaret Maier huh?
I 100% agree with R4tional, but people like Karen Van Zant seem to have completely missed the point, why name call, Jordan Peterson is trying to say to argue with the ideas but to stop calling people stupid. The idea that you then turn around to people who disagree with him and name call the left this and that is precisely what he's arguing against.
It was weird, he was not trying to "win" he was trying to give her advice. Then she said her shit. You can see him smile and kinda give that look like "ok, good luck lady"
I also like at the end, when he asked about the "other 40%" what happens after. they said a bunch of shit, but did not answer is question.
I understood his point, but he did have some trouble articulating his answer.
Jordan Peterson is the only honest person on here
Really? You know the other people? Have been over to their houses for dinner? Please.
Honest is right
Yes. If honest means ignorant.
Honest? Boy it takes such an honest person to point out that Trumpers are easy to offend, and that lots of kids are spoiled nowadays
If he'd be honest and come out of the closet maybe he wouldn't be so rigid.
This is what makes bill mahers show better than others. The diversity. Intellectuals, scientists, activists, politicians etc. All bringing something to the table. I am literally 100 times more smarter by watching this. Thanks Bill
None of them answered JBP's question though
@@kindbrute4640 These panels are fast and furious. Things get lost and overlooked in the exchanges under deadline pressure.
you need to make these Overtime videos longer, they are so much better than the shows hour format.
How is saying the Trump voters are not "enlightened" any better than saying they are "deplorable"?
This is what mature person does. Ask questions that need to be asked instead of jumping on the band wagon of fuck Trump which is warranted still...but Jordan is thinking about the larger picture. This is why an outside perspective is so important. I think there's no arms being reached across the table to empathize on why people voted for Trump and having a candidate to contend with him. To think the solution is to focus on impeachment I think is futile
RudyMonte did the trump folks reach across the isle and try to understand those who are liberal? Probably not. Idk why “the left” is always responsible for acting like adults and compromise, but the right wing is allowed to be complete partisan nincompoops. If they can’t understand that they vote for morons when the evidence stares them in the face every single day, then screw em.
Here's a mature question, Rudy, one Peterson might have asked if he was anything but a charlatan: what about the 53% of voters who picked Hillary and got left behind, forgotten? Reaching across the table to empathize with them? If Mr. Trump is found to have broken laws and committed crimes, he's gonna be removed & his cultists are going to have to be 'mature persons' & live with it.
Its not the responsibility of the educated people in society to abandon knowledge to meet you where objective truth ends and your ignorance begins. If you think the world is 5,000 years old, and deny science, that doesn't mean that we have to meet you in the fantasy that you live in. What it means is the society has failed it's people by failing to educate them, and reinforcing ignorance to preserve corporate profitability. The problem with the right isn't their beliefs, it's that their beliefs become political issues bc their lack of education allows them to be easily mislead by politicians who tell them what to think but aren't honest on why they tell them this, usually money. Big Tobacco told people smoking didn't cause cancer and lobbied republicans to peddle the lie until it became untenable. We have hard evidence that climate change is caused by man, yet uneducated people believe it's a hoax, not because they have looked at the science and decided it is unpersuasive, but because they are uneducated, ignorant and get told what to think by their politicians, church leaders and far right propagandists. They usually have an interest but they lie with no conscious to keep people giving money to their church or allowing corporations to poison people bc it's profitable. Republicans are unique bc their voters do things that cause their own poverty and strife, then blame minorities bc the right thinks 'identity politics' is something the Left does, like Peterson here, when that ignorant position is blind to the fact that the right has created it's entire platform on identity. Us vs Them, with them being anything, Muslims, Mexicans, Blacks, Liberals, Gays, Jews, Globalists, Media, The Elites, Communists, socialists. Anyone whose not white, Christian, republican and nationalist is not a part of their identity, which shapes their entire political belief system, yet they still say the left is identity politicking. It's not the burden of the educated on the left to dismiss things they have learned are objectively verifiable truths just bc many uneducated people don't believe them and want to believe what someone like Trump tells them.
Left wants non confrontation only for some ppl that they claim as victims. They have no problems with being a coward violent person hiding behind black veils to stop just a speech of the speaker they dislike. I guess both Bill and Maher got baited into something totally incorrect.
lol..go and find out how many times ppl who won more votes got defeated due to electrol college. And it is not the trump cultist who are creating problems by hideous means it is sore losers like you who are still creating problems despite having lost. Try next time you bleedy losers, until then no need to show what a morally corrupt and idiot you are. Instead of blaming russia for meddling go and try search for how many times US meddled in other countries affairs. If your defunct CIA could then it would have also try to see that Putin is gone, but you won't cry abt why your shameless govts. try to interfere in other countries affairs. Hard to find more despicable ppl then you bleedy hillary shills.
Jordan Peterson basically predicted Jan 6th in this conversation, nearly 3 years before it happened.
Brilliance is surrounded by shared ignorance. Jordan's perspective proved to be prophetic. "One of these things is not the others, one of these things just doesn't belong!"
It's a matter of misinformation. We are literally watching different news. Lack of thirst for truth and knowledge is our downfall.
There is such "passion" or outrage, if you will, over everything, but no incentive to find the facts. People are fighting for something, hard to find their message with all the name calling and finger pointing, but respond with defiance when presented with facts -- it confuses the issue and they are not interested. It's about opposing the other side and more importantly winning -- winning what...I'm not sure. They seem content in their anger and motivated by conflict -- a willingness to fight with strangers or family and/or friends. Their support for a man they don't know, that doesn't know them and wouldn't care if he did is being allowed to reek havoc in so many people's lives...grown people surrendering all common sense and again...for what? A temporary few extra dollars in their paycheck?
speak for yourself monica..
_I search for truth, and find that I get damned._ Jesus Christ, Superstar Guess we have to learn to _accept_ getting 'damned', by the ignorant, like he did...
Would Trump supporters say "Trump always seeks the truth?"
dlee This is scary to think about.
Jordan Peterson always hits the nail right on the head.
so sad that woman was still holding a grudge on him from the previous conversation. I wish he would have done longer discussions!
Ooh please, he's a fanatic and was caught in an obvious contradiction here. His question to the Americans was idiotic, "what about the 40% trump voters if he's impeached" - almost every election is close in the US and most of the developed world. He's a clinical bs artist and only is relevant because people who hate PC ness flock to him.
Stephanie Darling quit being conned by this grifter: www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
Jordan Peterson is one of the most important intellectuals we 've had in the last 20 years. Too bad you don't have the I.Q. to understand rational thinking.
@Samual - The fact you assume you know my I.Q or ability to understand rational thinking based off a comment/activity on youtube says a lot more about you than it does me.
Gotta love how the most charitable thing they can say about 50% of the population is that “we need to bring them around to more enlightened thinking.” The arrogance is insane.
I hope these people rewatch this clip after January 2021 and realize they should have taken JP's question seriously
People oversimplifying Peterson’s argument into “the left is too non-confrontational” - a straw man he should have called her out on - are the reason why this country won’t pull together.
Faith Sanchez this country is fine, walk outside
*Someone misunderstands my god-king Jordan Peterson = they are tearing this country apart*
Troy Bakeman another straw man, but go off
He actually did, but people started talking over each other and it got lost in the noise. This is why these formats aren't a good platform for Peterson, because they don't allow him to lay out his ideas in a nuanced manner.
I listened to the whole thing again very carefully, because I found her point initially interesting, and thought she might have a good one, however what it came down to was Wagner always being on the offensive, trying to win a battle only she saw, ignoring context, and misrepresenting claims by both Maher and Peterson. The things she said both of them said, they didn't say, and she baited them into appearing as if they did say it and neither ever had enough time to form a proper reply deconstructing the mess she made. Wagner also seemed to integrate the issues and believe they were stated to be mutually exclusive. They are not, and they were not presented as such. The left can be very contemptuous of the right and still have a misguided movement of sheltering other people, primarily sorting these people into a group identity, and claiming it is in their best interest as a group to shield them from offense.
I'm glad for the level of respect Peterson brought to the panel. Probably the longest amount of time no one felt the need to speak over one another I've ever seen on this show. Not sure he got an answer to his question on what happens to the Trump base when Trump gets the boot. I don't think he worries about them being offended, but he seems concerned about civil unrest or violent backlash.
Yes, and that is very difficult for people in this commment section to understand apparently.
No, he's worried that their feelings will be hurt. He's pandering to his followers. If they get violent because of these hurt feelings, those that do will go to jail. You don't appease feelings like that. Most will be too lazy to pull themselves away from their keyboards and video games.
I think they just not wanted Peterson to start crying again...
Simon Goligher Peterson a liberal? Come on. How many liberals have the likes of Mike Cernovich and Paul Joseph Watson as huge fans and supporters of theirs? The only "liberals" that tend to fall into that category are the type that refer to themselves as "classical liberals". Which interestingly is something Peterson does (although he calls himself "classical British liberal"). But those people tend to be easy to spot. The call themselves liberal but they rarely if ever have anything negative to say about Trump. They hate feminism. They hate so-called "political correctness" and "SJW's". They hate identity politics. But despite that, their primary fan base is white conservative males. I wonder why such a specific group is attracted to such a message from a "liberal"? It's almost like they're attracted to identity politics. Oh, and they also don't understand the first amendment even though they claim to love it so much. That's a really common one for conservatives in general.
Evan Baker He was on his BEST behavior here.
The guy was right then and he's right now! Bless you Peterson.
As a conservative, I find it quite insulting the general notion so many liberals have - that they are morally superior and enlightened about the lawmakers they represent and the policies put forth, when looking at the research, financial cost, and actual sustainability of those policies - you see many of them are unsustainable and unrealistic. I'm not saying Republicans have it all figured out but at least most of us are willing to discuss it - Democrats, by and large, seem to think thy are simply "right" by virtue of being a Democrat.
That's it! Thank you for saying this! Me myself are former liberal, and my whole understanding just flipped when I see most of the solution that being preached by liberals doesn't work. Conservative doesn't always havr the right approach but they're very open about it and mention its trade-off (instead of shutting down conversation).
Trump doesn't have any policies, outside of wholesale self-enrichment and selling himself and our country to the highest bidder.
He tried helping them out of the darkness, but they just laugh at everything. Wauw
I think Jordan Peterson was doing a roundabout slap at Maher (who is always mocking the supporters of Trump) and Wagner (who was an anchor of her own show which berated the right). Inslee of course is going to be partisan since he is a politician (listen to him tooting his own horn). Bruni gently supported Peterson (who is so smart that he is somewhat disjointed in his delivery). I think the point that Peterson is making is that the left has a twofold problem: 1) political correctness which does not allow for criticism or discussion; and 2) a virulent hatred for anyone that disagrees with their agenda .
MrRhomas913 the right suffers from both of those problems as well, or are you forgetting about fox news and infowars? fox news calls a porn star an "adult film actress" but obama is a kenyan muslim? hypocrisy on both sides
@John Pliskin I doubt if the right can be categorized as politically correct. Anyhow it is the left that controls the universities (look at how they do not want to let Ben Shapiro, Ann Coulter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or even Richard Dawkins speak), nearly all the large cities with crime problems are run by the left (Chicago, Cleveland, Baltimore, St Louis...etc and they dare not mention that half the nation's murders are committed by blacks), and the left constantly conflates illegal immigrants with legal immigrants (or should I say "undocumented") - notice how CNN branded Trump as anti-immigrant even though he ran against illegal immigrants and not legal immigrants. The only way to counter bad speech is with good speech not the prevention of speech. We have to let nazis speak so we can debunk them (which is simple to do) and not let them become mythic underdogs which are appealing to the disaffected. Ditto with Muslims, the press is too timid and does not dare mention that Salafis are following their Islamic texts for fear of offending the "liberal" muslim population in the US (the usual Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper line "I know a Muslim, he does not want to kill me" meme). The press does not mention that the mainstream population is unable to absorb and endless stream of poor, uneducated Spanish-speaking migrants and how that affects communities and employment.
Jordan Peterson knows far more about this topic than he let on. You can tell he was holding it back in order to not dominate the conversation.
They did not answer Jordan at all. "if" then "what next". What next could be very scary whatever side you are on.
What an idiotic panel. Why did they invite Jordon Peterson? He's much too clever for those bozos
Lol. Peterson is a moron. He got owned. Get well soon.
The guy who railed about spoiling children for 5 minutes? Like we've never read that on the internet before. Good god. I expected a lot from Mr Professor since he's supposed to be the second coming of Confucius - what we got was a typical guest on Maher's show - he didn't "own" anybody or even point out many relevant points
Forrest Trump He did not get owned almost everyone agreed with him. You're an idiot
it's not just the idiotic panel, it's also the weird format of this show, with artificial applause and short superficial conversations, jumping around without depth. Jordan Peterson requires a 2 - 3 hours show where he can talk uninterrupted ...
hamster in the machine 2-3 hours = 1 JoPe tangent.
When my boi JBP is too smart for the average tv panelists....
Ju Berry umm Peterson comes across as a pure moron.
Lol at 2:25 he confuses the fuck out of himself and the entire panel let’s him bungle through it
arp76 are you kidding?!
JBP dodged Anna N’s question. He doesn’t want to alienate Trump voters, but he doesn’t care about marginalizing transgenders. Ok then.
Peterson is a genius only to uneducated and insecure whites who desperately seek a thought leader. To higher evolved humanity, he is an educated dumb ass who uses his degrees to justify his idiocy. Those who only breathe thru their nostrils when snorting meth on the alt right think Stefan Molyneux and Jordan Peterson are geniuses, even when they get intellectually neutered and humiliated by a panel of actual intelligent people. Trump has an Ivy League degree, and is an idiot, much like Peterson.
I could listen to this all day
Just the moment that Jorden changes his index finger to pinky when he is talking about an issue-6:05 Negotiations techniques utilized
I'm so happy Jordan was invited !!
Agreed, his sanity is needed
but he did get stumped by that woman. He was like a slobbering mess trying to come up with an answer.... I don't understand why so many people put this guy on the level of Hitchens, Harris or Dawkins.
Shoaib Naqvi Oh trust me, he was just trying to be careful and polite. He was surrounded by people who hold seemingly inflexible opinions about Trump and probably did not want to make the conversation too heated (notice that it actually got a little heated. Right after he made his point about political polarization, they all got kinda defensive). He could've embarrassed her (or any of them) like he did to Cathey Newman but he was being very Canadian here.
Shoaib Naqvi He's held in high regard because he apparently "triggers" the "leftists", so nothing he says is subjected to any actual scrutiny by his fandom.
CSpan1993 not all people who like Jordan Peterson are alt-right. In fact, most are moderate liberals.
Just because someone has to explain himself several times to people not as smart him does not mean he got “owned”. Just because Bill Maher uses a condescending tone with someone does not mean they got “owned”. Just because Jordan Peterson speaks truth that people do not like does not make him any less wrong.
hope that applies to all convervative commentators... and Alex jones.,.. dipshit
You are comparing Jordan Peterson with Alex Jones and calling me a dipshit? I do not consider myself or Dr. Peterson to be conservatives. If we are than simple common sense is a non-liberal trait which I do not believe is the case.
@@bltvd Don’t entertain or dignify those kinds of statements with your energy or your words. People like that are just myopic and compartmentalize people into pre-prescribed categories and end up behaving pretty much like Jordan Peterson said, tribal actors
Basically they've got no idea what they would do
Talk shows like this should be double the length, so each person can speak for longer and actually discuss things, rather than a slurry of 'gotcha' one-liners
I love that Dr Peterson exists. Brilliant man. Exposes the demagoguery of these folks (the female specifically). Always conflating shit. Bill gets my deepest respect for even having him on.
Alex was rather annoying in the show and made several stupid comments. The dude from Washington kept promoting his own state and agenda while trying (and failing) to be subtle about it. Jordan had the best comments and insight by far. The panel simply didn't get him
Why should we Washingtonians be subtle about our success? Washington state is currently leading the way on some very important issues. The rest of the states would be wise to observe and emulate our example.
you want a safe space, stay off HBO
Sean Balme yes she is quite a narcissist
Sean Blame . Sure they got him , they saw right through the prick.
Washington is so successful. You can't beat their soft drink prices! They're sky high!
If I could give Bill a single piece of advice it would be, let people finish their sentences.
True intellectuals like Peterson and Sam Harris would walk over any panel on this show. Notice how Peterson gives actual thoughtful insight while the Washington Senator talks like he is campaigning for his next re-election. This is why guys like Peterson will never be on the main panel. They will steamroll anyone!
Nothing says true intellectual like an idiot who can't tell the different between a Senator and a Governor
everyone there is disgusting to me, but Peterson could not adress the contradiction he was accused by the women, he just constantly talks the same bs everywhere he appears
Peterson got got...
Or, he doesn't talk in soundbytes. He's a clinical psychologist and a professor for christs sake. Anyone who's spent any significant amount of time listening to him knows that he takes time to make the point. He provides the context, the point, and then the implications. Sometimes not necessarily in that order, but anyone with a reasonable degree of patience would understand that. Before he had a chance to elaborate on the question, he was interrupted. He was out of his element here, it didn't do him any credit that he was being challenged by someone who's very existence is defined by the ability to spoon feed the intellectual equivalent of baby food to people who's awareness of the cultural history of the world goes back to what they vaguely remember learning about in high school. Regarding the contradiction itself, she has a point. The problem is she's not hearing good question coming from an academic who's spent the better part of his life studying the rise and fall of cultures throughout history, she's hearing the question come from an ideological enemy. So she responded as such, and such was her error.
While I agree that governor was shamelessly self promoting, the NYT columnist seemed a lot more credible than Peterson even though all I hear is about how great he is. He had some ok points throughout his speeches but he did throw "clinical psychologist" around more than once. Ok, we get it, you have a respectful career, but that doesn't mean we should take your points verbatim just because of it
People are going to argue on these comments just by the presence of JBP, but all he really did was beg the question in this segment....not really much to rag on him or excessively applaud him for. It is an important question for people to consider if you’re a fan or not. What will become of this sizable proportion of the country, when the dust settles?
I agree, this was actually an example what makes some of the classic Overtime segments so good. He brought up a somewhat confusing but still solid question and sparked a good discussion. In contrast, recent Overtimes seem like they’ve been too far in one direction or the other, too much agreement or too much conflict.
Nalgas: I don't think a lot of people have thought about that. Just for the record, I am not a Trump fan. On the other hand, Peterson talked about Trump supporters as though they were children who couldn't find their way inside from the rain or something. I don't really think they need protecting, they are adults who made a choice. Half the country thinks it's the wrong choice, but I don't think they need protection for the choice they made and the consequences of the choice. Also for the record, I am NOT in favor of an impeachment. It destroys a country to do that and I'm not sure we need that now. Let it play out, whether it's over in 2020 or 2024, it needs to play out. That is how our system is supposed to work.
That’s a question that won’t be answered as America continues to divide itself with vitriol between two sides. I can see future political candidates use that to their advantage as much as Trump has.
Nalgas its a DUMB question that's been asked and answered. The Racists and White Supremacists as well as the Communists & Marxists will have to go back in hiding with the Ralph Nader and Ron Paul Nuts. We are a Democracy and we can't let angry old DUMB White men end our Democracy because they're mad that Democracy yielded the best President ever who just happened to be Black. Obama said it in his Farewell Speech; "...seems as if our Democracy takes two steps forward and one step back but we wait[for the Racist Marxist Alt-Right Neo Nazi Trump Nut to fail] and then we resume our Democracy." ~Barack Obama #RBRadio
He begged the question? How so?
1:52 Looking at Maher's recent New Rule, it seems like Maher finally gets it Try looking at the history of other countries that survived bloody civil wars. Some of them decided to just live with each other, and set aside their previously entrenched and irreconcilable differences. And they're better countries because of it
The journalist began to try to answer Jordan's question and I appreciated that.
As a liberal I really love and appreciate a lot of what Jordan Peterson has to say.
Sad thing is many people did not vote "for" trump, they voted "against" hillary.....
The liberals have still not given them anything to vote "for."
EXACTLY
73 mill voted for trump. are you going to claim its because of how evil biden is and not because trump is their savior against the postmodernists trying to destroy the world?
The crowd will cheer even if bill farts 😁
Great to watch this back.
It’s amazing how you the other panelists can’t even understand what Jordan Peterson’s arguments
Jordan Peterson is talking about civil war the answer is simlple they Trump voters try to ight they will be eradicated killed in the millions. Just like the civil war. Everyon knows what Jordan is getting at no one wants to say it out loud..... They are being politically polite.
Alex Wagner asked a perfectly reasonable question and I was disappointed that Prof Peterson dodged, this whole conversation and the other video shows just how dimwitted and insecure he is politically and even with his own societal philosophy outside of his main subject matter he teaches in Uni (Christianity and western society). If Bill Maher wasn't there to defuse and deflect with humor Wagner would of eaten him and his circular rhetoric alive, Peterson owes Bill big time. The fact he couldn't defend why he doesn't like when the left "coddles" by using proper gender and identity terms but why the left should be coddle trump supporters because their so fucking emotional if the united states judicial process finds Trump impeachable we should prepare for their tantrum is the most fucking retarded thing i've heard on this show and i watched the Steve Bannon episode. Its funny to see Petersons patreon supporters on here arguing that he was in fact "so enlightened intellectually" that the other panel participants couldn't understand him when the idiot fucking repeated the same retarded line of thought 3 times. These are the same people who think watching rick and morty means their IQ is high. I have to ask are you genuinely retarded to think Peterson wasn't just outclassed in this panel he sounded like a 5th graded trying to but in at the adults dining table. He had no clue what he was saying besides buzz words and without Bill jumping in he would of stammered at Wagner till the credits rolled.
@Debo, exactly. Completely agree. People latch on to pillars that speak to their person ideologies, it defies any rationality - it's an emotional relationship. And there is no shortage of hacks that will exploit this.
Domestic Terror, Mass Shootings, Hate Crimes, and the like have already gone up since Trump got elected. And, the data shows that an overwhelming percentage of it (in the 90th percentile) is committed by people who support right wing ideology. _The alt right, NeoNazis, the KKK, MAGAists, lash out even when they get their way._ In other words, Trump supporters commit more violent acts of domestic terror and hate crimes already. So, what? Are we supposed to worry about them committing even more if he's impeached? I don't think so. I imagine they may do so, since these people commit more hate crimes when their mascot emboldens them, then perhaps they'll do more if he's their martyr due to impeachment or indictment. Yet. the nation has survived worse and will again. The bigger issue is re-building our democracy which his admin is systematically dismantling according to the Putin playbook. We can't unseat these radical, right wing, extremists from their federal judgeships, but we can uproot the fascists from all other positions in government and hopefully restore confidence in our elections by making federal standards applicable for voting machines, paper ballot backups etc.
Because they're simple minded low IQ idiots
I wish Jordan Peterson would be a little less polite around these pannels
I wish Jordan Peterson would pretend he's polite
Then jp would have been verbally raped even harder.
Gustavo Santiago He knows better than to trot his crazy around people who can factually and rhetorically destroy him.
This thread is lacking in intelligence if you think these people could outsmart Peterson. Well they could. They could just do what they always do. Make a false point and when someone tries to correct them cut that person off and commence the circle jerk of "Orange man bad" lol fucking tools
Peterson understands that Civility is required to have a meaningful discussion with those who disagree with you. A less more people need to learn.
Jordan Peterson asked a great question a shame no one tried to answer it
Dr. Jordan Peterson. If you take the time to earn a Doctorate, you kind of want it to be affirmed.
Tremendous panel discussion, this video is worthy of some sort of special archiving for its articulation of the concerns of this moment in history.
Amazing, how only one person on that panel actually understood and addressed Peterson's question. The rest of them are so focused on Trump that they just can't hear and address the actual question.
Peterson is the ONLY reason I turned on this drivel.
MozelleP2V And it still isn’t worth it. Probably wouldn’t be too insufferable if the fawning crowd could be muted.
Same here
Must explain why you sound upset, watching that idiot get owned must be rough on one of his Stans. Wanna tissue, Stanley?
Why are you upset? He managed to get his point across and the other panellists gave reasonable talks of their own in response. All in all it was a good friendly debate. Why do all these Peterson fans get mad over the simplest things they perceive as going against Peterson? Kinda sensitive if you ask me.
RØCKΣT MΔN idiot get owned, are you thirteen?
I want a Bill and Jordan showww
They never could answer Jordan's question. Evidently too much smug in the room to think straight
how coule anyone answer such a childish stupid question?
@@adish7275 you literally went around in different comments and said the exact same thing without emphasizing
@@riche1601 that's because he/she/it is a typical libtard.
They did, right after he asked it. There just isn't an easy answer.
Alex Wagner's mental gymnastic about what she believe is Peterson being an hypocrite is false. Because its an oversimplification of Peterson's critic of the left to say that it is about, on the one hand, them being too concerned about offending, and the other, them not being enough concerned about it. Its not simply about offending the trump supporters, its about negating their concerns. If mainstream media and academia (which tilt champagne socialist) continues to ignore the working class concerns (unemployment, immigration, etc...) then its obvious that further cynicism and polarization would occur. And in the worst case, extreme right-wing movements. Its about the alienation of 40% of the US population, not about offence.
Saumon hi bitch
And what exactly do you think marginalization of minority persons is concerned of? Everyone looks out to care for their own on both sides - and by the way, working class siding with Trump was DIRECTLY IN CONFLICT with their own positions. We're supposed to feel sorry for them? LOL
It's not like the Trup-ettes consider anyone else to be American, because they do not. It's not like Trump isn't trying to turn America into RUSSIA (good ole White Supremacy, the HEART of Trumpism), because he tries and FAILS and cries to his small-selfish-minded bitches to protect him.
She has the luxury on this format to throw grenades and not have to be questioned about it. Cheap points is all.
The Left isn't overly sensitive, they feign moral outrage and use political correctness as a tool to beat their enemies over the head. Is this bitch really a CBS news contributor? Why would she criticize Sean Hannity when she is guilty of the same thing?
Jordan asks for respect for Alt Right and fascism this Deepak Chopra for Morons is amazing his mindset of defending the right-wing.
Yeah, same kind of hooha. You see very strange comments on all of JB's videos in much the same tone of Chopra's -- all about how their lives changed. I'll never understand humanity's need to put tenth rate charlatans like those on pedestals...
Tony Robbins for pseudointellectuals.
Lady in red, you have no idea what kind of forces you were dealing with.
At least she took time to attempt to engage him.
What I like here is how the way Bill talks to Jordan about Jordan's question. It's thoughtful, speaks from facts, and he makes great points with some small jabs. I feel like this is exactly what Jordan is wanting to hear from the Left in the way they would talk to the Right. When it comes to Jay, he sounds a lot more like the far Right in which he expresses his determination for getting what he wants. Bill doesn't do that. And I think the difference there is immeasurably important. No one, especially those who are raised to be sensitive in the way Jordan and Bill say most Americans are, wants to be called stupid. Most of the time when people are attacked to the core of their beliefs and called stupid before they have been able to defend themselves, they get more stubborn. The only result I can see from that is what we have today: riots, constant bickering, isolation into one's own beliefs, overall hatred for those who don't agree with one another. It's just not a way of solving. No one will be convinced that they should check themselves and their beliefs and who they support by people calling them stupid. We're just tearing each other apart senslessly now.
I am surprised that nobody on the panel understood what the guy on the far right of the screen was getting at. I think his point was what are we going to do about the 40% of devoted Trump supporters who are also going enthusiasts. Is anybody else thinking that or is it just me?
Dennis Rowe fuck them. They voted for terrible people. They need to vote better and vet therir candidates who are compromised from having bad debt s .... you are a fetal alcohol syndrome baby low IQ The 40% need to be mad at Trump and all those corrupt congressional leaders who conspired w him to steal our money The 40% can fuck themselves. When has a minority ever held the majority hostage. Only other whites can let this happen .....
Dennis Rowe I would argue that not all of that 40% is enthusiasts, for many it was just a vote against the Clintons as a whole. And much less will be after criminal things will be brought to light about Donald Trump.
it is a problem, i agree with you, but it still cuts across his thesis that it's the left that is hyper sensitive as manifested in political correctness
It's been a while since Jordan Peterson has been referred to as "the guy on the far right of the screen". Things like that keep you humble.
If the right would be more willing to listen I'm sure the left would compromise.
Shout out to Humboldt
Naturally agreed.
I know it is 4 years ago, but it is so very very satisfying to see all those people be so smug and yet knowing now how very very wrong they were (except for JP). It gives me a warm glow. 🤣
"Talk to them with more generosity..." Here's what's interesting. This kind of conversation goes on among people on the left. You see it right here--and elsewhere, on message boards. Once I saw two fellow liberals discussing this--how we liberals need to be more respectful to those on the other side, how it's not helpful if we're as rude, we need to reach out to them, and so on. Then right in the middle of their conversation, a conservative dropped a nasty "Libtard" bomb--with a vile rude comment. I've even had fellow liberals criticize me for being too negative and critical toward conservatives--and I have never resorted to name-calling, or calling someone "stupid" or a "snowflake". I just needed to be more respectful--they told me. We on the left, it is true, can be disrespectful, uncivil, rude--too. But we HAVE this conversation! We agonize over it--and try. We try. There will be discussions like what you see here. I have NEVER once since about the start of Obama's administration seen a group of conservatives self-critique, and talk about how conservatives needed to treat liberals with more respect, and how the vile dialogue is not helpful. Never.
Exactly - I’m sick of people coddling Trump voters and acting as though they are not nasty
Who in the world is suggesting Trump supporters can't be nasty? lol
I think there is an important distinction to be made. The interactions you described do indeed happen but mostly among the "middle of the road" liberals. The far left is just, if not nastier, than the far right.
I have perfectly civil debates with both sides, playing contrarian, challenging their views. I’ve only once experienced bat shit crazy ganging up on me, and that was by the regressive lefties. In my experience, conservatives are much more polite and respectful once you treat them respectfully, show that you listen to their arguments and try to understand their point of view. Seriously. I can walk into a barbecue, announce that I’m a vegetarian, take some initial abuse, and 15 minutes later I’ll get the group to agree that we should all eat less meat and be kinder to animals. I have debates with bible pushers ending in them acknowledging that atheism does not imply immorality. But walking up to left wingers and suggesting that there is a problem with Islam that we have to acknowledge if we want equal rights and safety for women, wow. YMMV.
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Ooooh, this was a spicy one. Also, Dr. Peterson's argument could potentially be boiled down to the left seeing its own in group as friendlies while the right is largely viewed as a predator to be taken out. Which is fundamental tribe mentality which always ends in tribal wars or "catastrophe". He's quite right on this one and the lady was obviously trying to provoke him because he unwittingly touched a nerve.
Can't Be Fucking Bothered the right views the left the same way, don't be so hypocritical
Can't Be Fucking Bothered > always in ends tribal wars There's already a war. The left has been fighting it for ages with every weapon at their disposal, principles be damned, and some factions on the right (the alt right) are fighting that war too, while others like Jordan Peterson and mainstream conservatives still think the solution is to take the "high road" and shun tribalism when everybody else is doing it. No wonder the mainstream right has been losing all these years.
John Pliskin The alt right does, while mainstream/boomer conservatives still try to show the left how non-racist and virtuous they are, and are still being called evil bigoted racist Nazis by the left.
Ihsahn Åkerfeldt Right. Take that high road by calling the left libtards and baby killers and ignorant children. Yeah the high road indeed
John Pliskin tl;dr: Peterson isn't an advocate of either side, he just wants to avoid the violence and civil unrest within the US that becomes ever more likely with each passing day as both ends of the political spectrum become increasingly radical. Hypocrisy doesn't factor into it. Peterson was talking about the fact that there's great polarisation towards the extreme ends of the political spectrum within America today, he was pointing out quite subtly to a panel of vehemently anti-Trump supporter types that this is a dumb and suicidal move. The 40% that approve of Trump won't disappear when he's out of office and those 40% are more heavily armed, strategically better positioned across the United States and are far more experienced (given especially that the majority of the military and police force are among that 40%) than their opposition. The lefts current shortsighted tactic of attacking and dehumanising Trump supporters only encourages further polarisation as Trump Supporters are all too happy to respond with dehumanisation in kind, at this rate violence is inevitable in the near future. This is what Jordan Peterson was highlighting which the rest of the panel was trying to dance around acknowledging, the lefts only chance to avoid future violence and survive as a political entity within America (because whenever it comes down to violence both sides race to the extremes, for the left this means helicopter rides en masse given the aforementioned massive advantage that the American right will have in a civil war scenario) at this point is to try to reconcile differences with Trump supporters in an effort to recentre politics but they're too prideful, stubborn and frankly stupid to do that.
Would Love to see a conversation between Peterson and DeGrasse. That would be enlightening.
Can you really expect an honest answer from ideologues when the question asks them to be critical of tribalism? The answers were entirely predictable: A) Our system is fine and Trump is an aberration (Bill Maher) B) Trump is stupid (Michael Avenatti) C) Trump supporters aren't enlightened like us and we need to show them the way (Frank Bruni) D) You can't argue against political correctness and accuse us of not being politically correct (Alex Wagner) So you end up with: A) There's nothing wrong with my side (Bill Maher) B) Ignore the content of a question by making a cheap shot (Michael Avenatti) C) We're elite and can't expect others to be as smart and conscious as us (Frank Bruni) D) Projection of cognitive dissonance instead of being honest about the question (Alex Wagner) Justification of tribalism, belittling of outsiders, elitism, and invalidation of perceived criticism. I think Peterson made his point.
I agree with ABC, but not with D
The Frank Bruni one was the most egregious. I have no idea who he is but I am inclined to completely dismiss any of his work after hearing that statement.
@@bloodaonadeline8346 oh I agree I was talking about Alex Wagner. She was speaking sensibly. Made some good points.
@@AsimAyaz I was of the opinion that Alex had side stepped the question and inserted another question/statement, formed within the logical fallacy that since the left dont want to offend one group (LGBT+), they wont go out of their way to offend a separate group (disenfranchised rightwing voters).
The lawyer pretty much shut up when the topic turned intellectual.
+MrRhomas913 The lawyer, Michael Avenatti, is there to talk about his case - nothing else.
MrRhomas913 Do you have a point with that observation?
+redlightmax +lowercase letters That is not typical on Real Time during the roundtable. That is why it is called "roundtable" nay. Anyhow. look at the lawyer's affirmation of Maher at 3:14 and his inability to look back at Peterson - he is terrified because this is not his game. It really does not matter but hey, when does an anonymous youtube comment matter anyhow unless it is Russian trolls try to spread dissent eh?
Jordan Peterson for prime minister of Canada
Jamie Weiler no
Jamie Weiler Donald Trump for prime minister of Canada. Or anywhere.
I honestly really like him. He's reasonable and well-informed, even if a lot of his fans are Trump supporters, somehow.
f quint You know it's going to happen mate, given Peterson's huge popularity and the fact that your boy Trudeau has made a complete fucking embarrassment of himself time and time again. Prime Minister Peterson soon lad.
Trudeau is so fucked that if peterson got to be the leader of a party he would probably win
Dr. Peterson exactly predicted what will happen. Too bad people were preoccupied with the issue at hand at the time, and didn't think
“I think all that does is turn people into Tribal actors.” Bill and other people at the table demonstrated Jordan’s point perfectly. None of them really addresses what he said, it was all just anti-Trump talking points. Calling him a dictator, saying “He can’t stop us.” None of that has anything to do with Jordan’s point, and was just word bait for applause from the liberal audience.
Does Jordan Peterson kind of sound like Kermit the Frog, or am I just high?
I'm sure if he really tried he could
at some point he acknowledges this in an interview
Which one?
Yes and Yes B)
I just found out if you type in "Jordan Peterson kermit" on KZhead, you'll get a ton of results, including an interview where he had a kermit puppet in front of him and plays around with it. He does a poor job at imitating Kermit voice, but it's still fun to see him acknowledge the resemblance. It's a damn shame he isn't a muppeteer, but we love him for what he does anyways. Here's the video with him and Kermit kzhead.info/sun/oLmfcrmHnZ6Kp58/bejne.html
That moment when republicans think a plant is more dangerous than guns
Perhaps you missed the polling numbers. When attitudes change, that tends to include everyone. Hows about you stop hating people are try to find some common ground.
republicans are more pro-weed than democrats today
Both need to be regulated. Marihuana, just like cigarettes and alcohol does have it's detrimental effects on health. It shouldn't be easily available - and neither should guns.
"That moment when Jeff Sessions thinks a plant is more dangerous than guns." That's what you really meant, or at least, it should have been.
Republicans have always and forever will be backwards inbreds. I've never identify with those moronic people.
Well, we have a saying here in Brazil: "Truth is Time's daughter". That serves well for Avenatti.
Wonderful that Michael Avenati is prominent in this panel. This whole segment aged like fine wine.
Hilarious, Avenati was my favorite part lol
we needed another hour of overtime....great conversation
still didnt answer Jordan's question about the 40% of Trump voters that aren't being taken seriously
Bethany your a bitch
Bethany The country is severly divided down the middle, that was Jordan Peterson's main argument. Now if Trump supporters were only 10% of the country the left would cut them some slack.
The argument he was making is Trump supporters don't magically disperse once the left takes the majority and secures it. There is a strong, large minority of people that legitimately believe in the same platform as Trump and have projected on to him an idea of hope that he will represent him and any attempt to remove him from office, or his inevitable departure in either 2021 or 2025 when he is replaced via election, will be seen as an attempt to remove or replace his supporters. What often is mistaken in this scenario is that these people specifically support Trump and that Trump predicates their ideas when in reality it is them that enfranchise him, so removing Trump will do nothing and what your left with is a huge portion of the population that ideologically has no reason or desire to participate in a society or government that is actively hating them. What will happen then when these people are no longer represented? The left does not want to welcome them in to their camp. I think Jordan Peterson is implying violence is likely to ensue.
Bethany do you mean 40% of those that voted for trump, or that trump got 40% of the votes, or do you have no idea what you're saying and just repeating bullshit?
Bethany What about the 53% of Hillary voters who aren’t being taken seriously. Honestly I don’t give a fuck if trump supporters get fucked by Trump’s failings, that’s there fault. Why should the left pander to a bunch of people who already hate them? The Right never treated the left with any respect, why should the left treat the right with any.
They should have the same conversation present day!
"Without the circus, he's a lonely clown" - So without his supporters, How do you simply make a statement like that? How to you dismiss nearly half the nation, without so much as an answer? It's not like Bill does not get it, he himself associates the disastrous Sunni/Saddam issue, just a couple of sentences after. Should we simply sweep half the nation's decision under the rug because they are somehow not bright enough to know better? What other political regimes have had this notion in the past? Use another of Jordan's rules for life: Get your own house in order before trying to change the world. As things stand, you don't sound any different then most totalitarians of the past. Democrats are now acting like they are the smarter, "knows better" party. You are supposed to be the party for the working class. Get a few working class members in your leadership ranks and see how that might remind you of your values. You may want to try that on the panels too. I wonder how long has it been since any of your panelists have had to worry about tightening the spend on their grocery bill to make rent.
Well said!
They may need to tighten their belts now and walk to the store to see if there’s anything left on the shelf. Meanwhile the people in the flyover states are growing their own food.
So much respect for you JP. Thank you for a well guided conversation