The Kurtis Conner effect
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0:00 INTRODUCTION
2:11 AN EASY CHILDHOOD
5:05 GROWING UP W/ THE INTERNET
6:22 STARTING STANDUP
9:04 MAKING COMEDY A CAREER
12:57 COMMENTARY VIDEOS
18:40 SPONSOR
19:30 KURTIS'S MUSTACHE
21:53 TATTOOS
25:59 TOUR BUS FIRE
27:35 BEST PART OF THE JOB
28:35 BLOOPER
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Yeah
My farts are better than Anthony’s farts
Yippie
i just want to secure my spot here
@@p-__ bet
“What were you serving” “looks” HAS ME CRYING LAUGHING
“I got fired :(“
I was the 666th like 💀😭🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
same
He didn’t skip a BEAT
It’s so weird to hear Kurtis without a billion sound effects
My brain was adding them in 💀
i wanted to hear "boobs" with the same reverb effect as the "balls" audio he uses from the barbie movie LMAO
when he said he was a batista, i was half expecting that one photo of him working at Starbucks to just pop up with a vine boom
@@callmedizzie7720SAME LMFAO
He wanted to do the kurtis clap so bad
The fact that Anthony asks "do you remember where you were when you found out vine was shutting down" the way other people ask "do you remember where you were when 9/11 happened" IS SO FUNNY TO ME 😭😭
gives me the vibe of the "where were you when you heard club penguin was shutting down"
@@Axe-wieldingFox LMFAOOOOO
@@Axe-wieldingFox i was at house eating dorito when phone ring😢
@@Axe-wieldingFox apolgy for bad english where were u wen club penguin die i was at house eating dorito when phone ring "Club penguin is kil" "no"
I thought the exact same thing HAHAHAH
Part of the lesbian experience is desperately wishing you looked like kurtis matthew kenneth connor but being unable to have that fabulous mustache and just having to cope
So true
I thought I was the only one 😩😩
@@DefinitelyNotNormalLol nah man. Attraction and gender envy are two separate things
me but i'm trans
@@morganhackworth84ku
thanks for having me on this was so much fun :)
hello kurtis
koytis konnah
hey its the guy in the video
THE MAYOR HIMSELF
kurtis!!! gtfo outta here 😡
Our mayor being represented in this video is a heartwarming thing. Thank you anthony for bringing kurtis onto the channel. kurtistown never dies. fishy fishy fish 🐟
Making it stinkyyyy
would anyone like another nail?
Fish in the mouth
Hear ye hear ye!
IT’S BECAUSE I’M A GOAT, ISN’T IT 😭
Kurtis is the perfect example of how you can be successful and funny and not punch down constantly. All these people crying about how "they can't do comedy anymore because of cancel culture" have literally no excuse. It's proof that when people say that comedy is dead what they mean is "everyone's so mean to me because I can't pick on harmless hobbies or say slurs ;_;"
@@No-ue5pi I think Bill Burr is the perfect example. Even when he punches down, he validates that he is a flawed and damaged human to be punching down like that. Dave Chappell is the example of the guy that walked that line too closely. Dave submits that he is a creditably person to punch down, while Bill lets people know he is fucked up to have had the idea in the first place.
I also agree with the OP: if your act is not playing the game of trying to float the line of "too far", then no one is gonna accuse you of going to far. Generally speaking, the line between being Bill Burr and Dave Chappell is so close and nuanced, unless you know what you are getting into and are fine with where it falls for you, best to stay away from the minefield.
By harmless hobbies do you mean furries
lmao exactly. when people say "you cant say anything anymore" what they are saying actually is "why are people getting upset when i upset them????"
If it’s punishable then it’s not free. It’s the same line of thinking that started the witch burnings. Only exist within the agreed upon etiquette.
Shout out to the customer who encouraged kurtis to be a comedian
So glad to see the guy who devoured 3 children finally getting the air time he deserves ❤❤❤
💀
we love our cannibalistic mayor❤
I was one of the children! Kurtis is such a cool
i mean he needs to make up for the three people he devoured. instead of 15 minutes of fame it’s an hour. 15 mins for each person
@@pieofchart damn 😢 Your name was either Kurtis, Mathew, Kenneth or Conner but after that incident you're now Pie's Chart 😔
I love Kurtis he’s genuinely so funny
My farts are better than Anthony’s farts
Genuinely/naturally funny. And his ability to bring back jokes he already made and added to newer jokes is a chefs kiss, like the Canadian boobs joke.
Agreed. I rewatch his "I became a country boy" video at least once a week. He's so effortlessly funny.
Cassie!
@@okkelly6207 yesss
The initial effect I felt from Mr Conner was the warped perception of a member of a sexually ambiguous 80s synth pop act who had spent 30some years in ageless suspended animation to emerge as a youtuber
We can always dream
True
I honestly think that is what happened
That's amazing 😂
mr conner 💀💀
Kurtis Conner literally started the process of changing my mind from being a cringe Jordan Peterson fan to realizing that inclusivity and tolerance are actually really nice values
This gives me hope for my bf who thinks Peterson is the next Aristotle 😭😂
@@liamsteamwalsh8421 haha I hear you, but we’re two kids deep in a 7 year relationship, I’m not trying to start over now just because he’s a little ding ding in the head 😭😂
@@autumnlyyyGirl, run!! :-( (But seriously, take care, a significant other with that mentality sounds scary and like it could potentially escalate. Hope he changes).
Wow I really admire people who are open minded as I believe it is a mark of intelligence to change your mind based on new information
Wow that's amazing to hear
I remember when he first joined the commentary community. I don't think it's a coincidence that commentary in general has become a much less mean spirited community ever since people like him popped up on the scene. I remember when commentary was toxic af in like 2015-2016ish era
this is so on point
It's insane how it went from incredibly toxic, dramatic people like Leafy inciting witch hunts to really chill people like Kurtis just talking about Barbie movies or reality TV. It's a much needed change
Ah yes, the era of leafy and ricegum...ngl i hated those years where these people were popping off on youtube
@ilsavil9980 ricegum...man.... haven't heard that name in years
And now people like Jarvis Johnson and Jordan Adika are carrying it forward
It’s so cool when Anthony faces that Smosh was such a large part of SO many of our childhoods, but still being so humble about it. When I think about what stood out to me on as a kid on the early internet, Smosh comes to mind immediately 😅
100% my first introduction to KZhead was Smosh
This may sound horrible but every now and then I go back and watch the molester moon video lol. I know that type of humor wouldn't fly nowadays but I can't help but reminisce. 🌚
For me it was Smosh and Tobuscus
Anthony is so far removed from SMOSH now, that I sometimes have to remind myself that I was watching this guy do “every BLANK ever” and Food battle not that long ago.
@@paulstephens2861 it’s not your fault it’s defy media, they screwed over so many people made those corporate CEOs and executives rot in the underworld for eternity
Anthony being so humble about making literal youtube history will never get old
this is edited so well to complimemt kurtis' humor i love it
You’re so right I appreciated they didn’t show them bursting into laughs that you can assume happened to maintain the tone it’s rly rly good fr
such a good point!! props to the editor
So glad Kurtis was on the show cuz I get to point out something I never seen mentioned. When they have a guest with a specific editing style, I've noticed that they'll mimic their style for specific parts of the interview. Kurtis has a very distinct style and there's a couple jokes that they edit it in his style. Yet another reason I love these videos. That attention to detail is very considerate.
Yeah as a member of Kurtistown i noticed that too and thought it was pretty cool
That's so cool, I never noticed!
@@GioGio-fq1vl I noticed it at Connor-isseur lol
thats a stretch
@@RhinoHorn7 that's what your mom said but I heard the kegals are helping. *dabs*
Kurtis Conner started a movement. If you look at how commentary videos has changed through the years, his style heavily influenced the media. Edit: Not to say many others didn’t also contribute to the way commentary videos are made now… All I’m saying is I believe he played a huge part and anyone could see that. I could name plenty of other people who impacted this genre but I’m not going to because this video is not about them.
Yep he’s a pioneer
Absolutely a trailblazer for KZhead essayists/breadtubers
medium*
Really? I would love to see a video about that. The commentary meta is something I’ve noticed that changed but I haven’t paid too much attention to.
i rlly don’t think that’s true.
Kurtis' mindset on tattoos influenced my own sense of what a tattoo should be so much, Once i'm really sure and secure i want to go to tattoo studios & ask artists to create me tattoos, just be a canvas of visual expression cuz it feels right to be a way of people making art. Its cheesy asf but genuinely I feel like it'd be sick?
it would be so cool! hes definitely influenced my way of thinking about it, too
I'm so grateful for Kurtis's channel!! My 13 year old son and I love watching him together. We are guaranteed to always laugh and he stirs up great conversations. My kiddo is super angsty and loves being alone in his room. I get it. I was 13 once. But the fact that I'm welcomed into his room to enjoy a video from one of his favorite comedians... its just good stuff and I love the guy. Also I'm a Christian and I'm praying for all you felllas!!! So much love and gratitude!!
Isn’t it great to be able to your connect to teen when they are in this phase?
I'm glad you and your son have something to bond over like this, you sound like an amazing parent and I wish you two and your family all the best ❤
@@trcsunny2187 great and so freaking important!!
@@arsena5209 thank you so much!! He is such a good kid! Thank you God bless!!
this is adorable!
Kurtis is finally on the channel! His rise on youtube has been great to see, I’ve been subbed since around 2018, and it’s crazy that he’s still going strong.
My farts are better than Anthony’s farts
@@p-__ proof?
Honestly been watching him so long and he is just such a good youtuber
@@mj1722 the superior era of this comment was when it said “he was such a good youtube” bc agreed
@@cherryy.redd8 ah yes, Kurtis is indeed the best kind of the app youtube
i just gasped! i saw kurtis live! alone! it was my first event ever alone, he was such a niche and i didn’t wanna drag anyone along bc it’s niche humor, so i went alone; and it’s my FAV experience, it was so surreal, it was just me and the friends i made when there, i have my merch and wear it proudly as a “dude i did it, i did something alone” shirt.
Lets goooooo !!
Omg that’s awesome
aaa that’s amazing!! happy for you!
his live show was so funny. even the inside jokes he had with the audience at every show 🥲
That's so cool but at the same time I wish I coulda gone with you! I have no local friends into any of my niche interests either!
it's crazy how humble, sweet, caring, and understanding kurtis is despite going through a pretty generally easy life in comparison to many.
it's almost like healthy stability allows people to grow up into sound minds of such qualities
@@pinkerheronot necessarily. i know a LOT of ppl with easy lives, and most of them grow entitled and with a lack of empathy towards others.
Kurtis’ mullet really shows off his elegant elf ears.
my two favorites guys sitting down and just having a conversation. someone pinch me.
My farts are better than Anthony’s farts
@@p-__ what does that even mean
@@parmasean_eater you know damn well what it means
I suck pinching how about a slap?
@@parmasean_eater you know EXACTLY what that means dinausar.
I love hearing the people behind the camera giggle . Really shows how comedic Kurtis is
i love the way they bounce off each other, i think their comedic styles mesh really well (without overtaking the authenticity of the conversation)
I love when silly little guys become popular because this is my exact humor, being genuine and having an intellectual conversation but also being able to joke around and have inside jokes ‼️
I live under a rock and have never heard of Kurtis but I AM A FAN NOW. What a naturally funny and sweet dude.
Welcome to Kurtis Town!
Never heard of him either, but people here seem to like him. I like his hair.
Just remember to be nice to him, it’s the law!
Yee yee!
You’re about to go down the funniest rabbit hole of your life😂😌
I’m obsessed with Kurtis there’s no way this collab just fell out of the sky just for me!! Love you both ❤️🥰
My farts are better than Anthony’s farts
@@p-__ AYO WHAT THE-
@@p-__ in the words of Kurtis Connor, “p a r d o n?”
thats what i was thinkin
fell down through the ceiling
the smile after “conner-seur” really got me
I enjoy how ligthhearted this one is, a nice change of pace, also fun fact, white ink is the most common tattoo ink to get a reaction from.
"congratulations ! plagiarism always wins" took me OUT LMAOO
I got to meet Kurtis when he toured and came to San Antonio, and he is by far the most down to earth kind and genuine person I’ve had the pleasure of coming across
lucky !!
the little awkward smile and the silence after conner-sseur was so fucking funny to me
literally what he said at the end about his fans almost made me cry. just the fact that he does this, yes, for money, everyone needs that, but mainly for his fans to brighten their days is the most heartwarming shit ive ever heard in my life. “they’re so funny and so cool.” THIS is why im a part of kurtistown. i love what you make, man, you’re an amazing person and i hope you realize that. i love your dry ass humor and everything you say sticks with me, and whenever i remember random jokes you’ve made, i have to hold back a burst of laughter. i hope nothing changes with your personality and humor in the near future. just a little note to kurtis if he’s reading any of the comments.
I never expected Kurtis to be on Anthony's channel. This is a crossover I didn't know I needed. Anthony (and Ian) literally shaped my childhood and now I watch Kurtis so seeing this is like healing my inner child 😭
As the saying goes “never trust a man with two first names” Kurtis takes the cake
Doesn't say anything about four.
@@h.c.49 double trouble
@@Shmem_ fourple trourple?
@@joannamarieart yes 😌 fourple trourple
My mom is a disney adult and its because she had to grow up extremely fast, and had to start watching her newborn brothers at around 6 or 7. Her mom was never very present so I like to think she uses Disney as a way to really feel like she can live her childhood they way she wanted to.
i’m sure that’s usually the case just like micheal jackson
I love how this felt like less of an interview and more of a conversation between buddies
Their senses of humor mesh so well! Love it when they’re able to expand on the joke one of them says and make it even better
Kurtis is just out here absolutely rockin them grill dad shoes
he makes them look so good
his whole outfit in this is so good, he's got an amazing sense of style
It looks really good on him
kurtis is one of the few people on the internet that deserves every bit of success he has. love him so much
this episode of "i spent a day with" is just weirdly comforting to watch,,,, like this feels like just two dudes having a conversation and not an interview and i am living for it
Kurtis is really the funniest person I’ve ever seen. Without trying he just brings a smile to my face.
As a Disney adult I approved of Kurtis’ video making fun of us 😂 We know we’re cringe but the Disney magic, nostalgia for better times and escapism hits different. It’s a feeling of perfection and joy all around and you can really appreciate the history, art and imagination within the parks too, it’s so immersive! But yes our childlike excitement is a bit OTT for some people and we make fun of ourselves probably more than anyone else does 😅
That’s the best attitude to have when you’re cringe. I’m super cringe, I just own it. Most of the time anything that’s super fun is cringe so who cares. I didn’t have a huge opinion on Disney adults before I started watching GoodTimeWithScar. He’s a Minecrafter (cringe, I’m a grown ass woman watching Minecraft let’s plays) but he really showed the joy in it all. He’s building a theme park in Minecraft currently and honestly, it’s almost like some Disney Adults have a more pure love of Disney than many kids.
Also it kinda makes sense? I feel like the parks are more family friendly than child friendly. I'm from southamerica and I traveled overseas to go to Disney World when I was 9 and I felt it was such a waste of money because apart from getting pictures with characters I didn't really enjoy a lot of it. I was too old for kiddie rides but too young and scared to get on thrill rides. Now as an adult I really want to go back! choose a better hotel, eat better food, see the new rides, appreciate the history of classic ones. it's like I know a lot more about Disney now as an adult than as a kid.
It’s true! I actually do love and appreciate disney more as an adult! When I was a kid I enjoyed it but it was just there as some cute movies and songs to me. I didn’t understand the rest of everything that makes true Disney magic
@@truckerdave8465 i also really like disney and watch scar- i was so excited when he started the project
This genuinely gave me a better perspective on Disney adults. It’s a harmless thing
Kurtis's manager: your tour bus burnt down. Kurtis: haha that's hilarious Also Kurtis: my tour bus burnt down Kurtis fans: haha that's hilarious Kurtis: why is that funny? There's no joke there
The mustache and mullet really does look amazing. I feel like it suits him so much.
kurtis is one of the only people who's comedy is the same as mine. hes gotten me through dark times, and im really grateful. hes coming to my country in april and i cant believe its real
I’m so glad this is finally here! Kurtis Connor has been one of my favorite KZheadrs since 2019, I was so excited to see him with my other favorite youtuber!
My farts are better than Anthony’s farts
the second kurtis said “golden oaks” i immediately said out loud “classy disney ❤️” ☠️☠️☠️☠️
26:15 the most canadian kurtis has ever sounded
The trifecta of my favorite KZheads is finally complete! First Danny and Drew, now Kurtis! Epic🔥🔥
My farts are better than Anthony’s farts
@@p-__ k
It’s wild to know I’ve been subbed to Kurtis since the Country Girls video. So happy for him and his success.
Yeeyee
Yeeyee
Yeeyee
Yeeyee
This is actually so chill, it just felt like two old friends chatting
Yeah, I noticed that too! Usually on Anthony's channels it feels more interview styled, but that's all good because obviously that's his channel's genre. This video was different though cause Kurtis was also engaging Anthony in the conversation and asking him questions back which made it feel more cozy and conversational that the normal vibe from this channel. :D
This interview taught me that Kurtis has real-life elf ears so thank you. He is hilarious and magical.
Fr!
more like rat ears tbh
as someone at the SLC show, i had no idea that kurtis was suffering because his jokes were too funny
he will always be my favourite youtuber, unmatched.
I can't believe we didn't get an extra greeting. What a drag
I’m from Toronto and saw what I think was one of Kurtis’ first few stand up performances. He was doing KZhead videos back then but hadn’t done his own tour yet. It was at a small club in Toronto called Apt 200 for Valentine’s Day, and I think a friend of his was hosting the event. One of my friends was also performing, but I didn’t know Kurtis would be there till he went on! It was def a harder crowd bc I think I was the only one who recognized him from KZhead there, but I made sure to give some whoops hollers and laughs. He was such a nice guy, we had a bit of an awkward hug and a small chat before I went back to see my friend. It’s so cool seeing how far he’s come to be selling out entire venues on his own now!
THE MAYOR!!! 🙌🙌 This is the same spark of joy I got from when I was a kid and Disney channel or Nickelodeon would have crossovers where characters from shows I love would be in another show I love for an episode or 2 😭
anthony it’s really cool to see all kids of new people on your show ❤️
My farts are better than Anthony’s farts
@@p-__ congrats
@Abe P is a bot
@@FukaiKokoro oh lol my bad
@@FukaiKokoro also yeah i can see theyre using caps lol
Kurtis Conner I hardly know her
They both said that their videos that blew up and gave them a lot of attention, had women in the thumbnails so I’m taking a little moment to say thank you to those women and all women!! And of course, shout out to Anthony and kurtis for all of their dedication and all the awesome content over the years 💜 This was a great video as always!
anthony has interviewed danny gonzalez, drew gooden, and now kurtis conner! imagine being able to say you had the Holy Trinity of youtube on your channel
Kurtis is by far one of my favorite KZheadrs, he's absolutely hilarious and has really changed my perspective on the commentary genre, in that he's so respectful to the communities he talks about. I'm very glad to have been subscribed for the past few years, and seeing how he has affected KZhead commentary has been awesome :) ❤
I love how this feels like friends joking and chatting together. I've been a fan of Kurtis Conner since 2018 and I'm so happy that he's gotten so much success (much deserved)! We love you Kurtis!
Kurtis Conner gives wholesome Dad in the 80’s vibe and I love it. Like seriously, with everything in the world and on the internet, Kurtis Conner is a breath of fresh air. ❤
Been waiting on this one! watching kurtis's rise on youtube is so wonderful, I've been a fan since 2018 and he is just such a light in the world
Aye I didn’t know you did interviews with mayors
26:14 'rough go on that tour, eh?' that cadence was so deeply canadian rlly feels like home
im glad i can learn candian culture from this video. #representation
Two mullets two weeks in a row. Anthony is really giving a sign of his next hair commitment!
Love seeing a dedicated episode for Kurtis, he is such a great content creator!
"what were you serving?" "looks."
When he said he had 4 names I thought he was going to say Kurtis Mayor of Kurtistown
FINALLY! Thank you Anthony for having one of the most interesting youtube channels; you always manage to grasp my full attention and fulfill my curiosity. Cant wait to watch this episode! I love Kurtis, hes the best mayor.
My farts are better than Anthony’s farts
Bro just called it “the Kurtis Conner effect” 💀
Kurtis’s style and appearance make me feel more secure in everything that I like about myself. I think about how well liked and cool and kind he is whenever I start to feel bad about my style. I grew out my hair like I’ve wanted to for quite a while because I liked the way it looked on him. I keep my little mustache and don’t feel bad about it. I make goofy little jokes and get silly tattoos and quote videos of his regularly. He’s just such a comforting role model for a brand masculinity that isn’t cruel or unattainable or threatened by questioning. As a trans man, seeing public figures like him, (or Anthony Padilla, Jarvis Johnson, Jordan Adika, D’Angelo Wallace, Big Joel, and on and on), makes me feel safer in the world. That’s so valuable in times like these.
Right away it's clear how well anthony is prepared for this interview, love that!
i cant tell if i love kurtis’s shoes or hate them, i guess ive just never thought about whats on his feet. that was the most interesting thing i took from this interview and im scared about what that says about me
Lol I'm subscribed to him and in this video it dawned on me that I think I've only seen him in shorts and like socks
what do you mean? those new balance 2002r are so pretty hehe
This is SO EXCITING!!!!!!! I love Kurtis so much!!!!! Also for a future episode (and if they’re on good terms), I’d just love to see Anthony interview Ian just so we could get a reunion & also to see how much they’ve grown over the years if that makes sense 🥹🥹💕💕
Its so weird hearing Kurtis talk w out the “AUGHH???” sound effect.
I can’t believe “the way he wants to portray himself” is those dad sneakers.. kurtis.. we’ve talked about this.
So happy to see you sit down with Kurtis. I’m 100% sure I’m not the only one, but you both have made so many people smile even on their worst days. Kurtis has gotten me through a lot. He always makes me feel better with a laugh - and just watching his videos & reminding myself not to take myself and everything else so seriously. You both bring smiles to countless people’s faces. Keep it up! ❤️🔥
anthony’s got the bubble bath cut, we love it🌠
the interviews keep getting better and better!!!
I’ve been waiting for this collab for forever omg
best collab. been there since 2017 or 2018 for kurtis. its amazing to see him grow and watch my friends go from not knowing who he is to him being their fav.
glad to see my mayor hangin’ out with anthony padilla
I love how Anthony introduces Kurtis as a “shy insecure kid” like jeez
ayeee im sooo glad to see Kurtis on your show !!! great to have him!!!
the interview we needed and deserved
i have so much respect for them both. id like to think that i’ve grown alot from watching you guys.
These two are so sweet 😂❤ It feels more like chilling on a couch together but following an interview format as like, just a silly thing to do together on a Thursday. This is fun!
Their banter is great. Love how they match energies
This is great to see! I've enjoyed both Anthony and Kurtis for a while now, and this interview was definitely needed :]
Favorite guest, I love that the two of you got to have this conversation
I love interviews like these because you can tell both people are huge fans of the other
how does kurtis absolutely slay wearin that pearl necklace with smileys 🙂