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0:00 Intro
1:05 A Simple Plan
2:34 The ASUS ROG Strix Scar
5:49 Alex Applesauce Tips
7:08 A Liquid Metal Hurdle
9:08 "This is Not How you Solder to a Heat Pipe"
12:25 Crap!
14:27 New Strategy
16:30 Using our Environmental Chamber
18:40 This is Not Going to Work
22:45 Does it Work?
23:55 The Results
26:50 Moment of Truth
31:54 Alex Does Some Overclocking
34:40 Outro
You know the CNC mill is getting pulled out the moment Linus says "this may be something you can actually do at home"
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That's why the video is filled with asterisks lol
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haven't seen it yet, but I'm waiting for it
ah yes, dont you have a CNC mill at your apartment?
For how badly this went in the first 75% of the video, the last 25% was such a victory lap.
Ya couldn't have said it any better
Came here at the 74% mark. This comment literally saved me from closing the video!
@richardamiss7000 98% of all gamblers quit before their big win
This is accurate from ever Alex video. Throw stuff at the wall and something will work…
@@foxinabox661585% of all statistics are made up on the spot
A plug-in external water cooling loop would be a pretty cool feature for some of these high end gaming laptops. The manufacturer designs the cooling loop with a pipe to ports on the outside of the laptop, then sells you an optional external AIO block that you just plug in when you need the extra cooling during sweaty gaming sessions or on very hot days.
This is a thing
This video had a clip of when they reviewed a laptop like that
@@DraakjeYoblama I think they're talking about it becoming more standard, rather than the exception.
Actually theres a Chinese brand MECHREVO that already has these external water cooling laptops in 2023
I love how linus has experts in engineering and when they tell him how to do it he goes "uh hmm, I got this" then is so shocked that something bad happens😅😅😅😅
My HDMI to water hose adapter gives me all the water cooling I need
what the fu-
Your what
Man of culture I see 😂
yea i know these my dose have FullHD/L
Awesome.
Linus really went to get a giant wooden board at 11:22 just to complete his dad joke. Much respect has been earned.
True
Cracked me up so much😂😂
thats my type of humor, i love it.
Gave me a big chuckle xd
too long messing about, downvote
Always a good time for viewers when Alex and Linus do sketchy cooling thing. Linus always starts out excited before being stunned at how they're going to do the thing before going all super excited puppy and overdoing the thing despite warnings not to. And then back to disappointed uncertainty before they get good results back and the excitement returns. I have always enjoyed the groaning, head-scratching chaos Alex adds to the team and to videos in particular. Man knows his stuff, especially the shortcuts that will make Linus face palm but work in the end. Exactly what I signed up for watching.
This is definitely more than 30 bucks
Sketchy cooling with Alex is my favorite genre of LTT video
actually not even that bad anymore. It's actually working now.
You can tell Nate has screwed up far more expensive projects from how calm he handled all this, as a result he has my respect.
Need more of these off the wall weird projects that remind me of what you used to do all the time. That and it's just fun to watch Linus and team just wing it and pray it works!🤣
The RTX overclocking video will always be my favorite because of that XD
At work we use conductive epoxy. It is great option instead of the low-temperature soldering paste you used here. The conductive epoxy comes infused with silver and copper powder and flakes, I guess it would be good for this application.
that was the plan Alex wanted to use, but Linus just wanted to try the soldering. It may have been unnecessarily more difficult but it made for great entertainment.
I think Nate did a great job in his first appearance! Seems like another Alex, would love to see more of him
He was so natural on camera, surreal…. Probaby has some previous experience?
attractive as well 👍
4:58 LMFAOO Nate - "Let it cool off a little bit" Linus - "No" It immediately goes wrong
"This is disastrous" - Linus everytime water cooling with Alex
I love how well linus's chaotic personality matches so well with alex's personality
Linus going away to get a giant board for the joke 11:22 is the greatest dad joke ever
Reminded me a little of "Let that sink in" but waay more efficient than dragging porcelain across town
I miss having a job where you have a boss you love to work with on day to day basis especially like Alex and Linus. It's not always the most productive way to work, to be joking around, but does wonders for morale, retention, quality of work, etc.
I think they have such Love and Respect for each other.. they're like best buds! ❤ It won't be wrong to say Alex is Linus' most fav employee!
@SiddheshBagade while I don't think he has favorites, if he did it would probably be Yvonne
@@Dkrocksmith amongst employees I meant
I love how both employees are just like "Probably will" and then both * calmly* "yup" when Linus was freaking out.
Wow Nate has some charismatic stage presence for someone appearing for the first time. Great addition to the team
I don’t know if I can watch Alex destroy perfectly fine hardware anymore.
u better see plainrock 124 i u think that this is too much lmao
I live for Alex destroying perfectly good hardware
...you'll get used to it.....
I think this one is 80% Linus and 20% Alex lol
To be fair, it was Linus who destroyed it! They told him to stop, he continued! :)
XMG here. Our upcoming XMG NEO with next-gen Intel HX series will have the XMG OASIS water pipe run directly over the CPU again. You heard it here first. // Tom
good job Tom
Sounds cool 🤩
That's going to be amazing.
would like to see a benchmark without water cooling the laptop, what's the point in a laptop if you must carry around a water cooling unit
@@juicygirls3989for the highest end laptops , you can buy an air cooled one but if you want better thermals what other option besides this?
I got the Amd Ryzen 9 7945HX3D version, might have to try this when the day comes when my warranty expires. Also what I've noticed was the cpu is always at a high temp even without load, and the 4090 doesnt run till a game launches most of the time, overall pretty good managment of heat and utilization.
So obvious that this is full disclosure and honest video work! Makes it so real world and much more interesting of a watch!
Nate seems chill, hope we see more of him in the future..
As a DIY technician myself, I'm sure there was a ton of different ways to make this so much more simple
Thermal epoxy...
Less fun tho
As a professional home owner myself I would agree, using regular copper pipe flux and a 140watt solder Gun. Or a simple gas torch. DIY technicians and professional home owners are very similar and have a lot of overlap.
@@deepwinter77 Not really. One as a real job for the living and the other is a parasite who think he got skill because one time he badly repaired a copper pipe while pocketing rent.
@@SaitoGray a professional home owner refers to one's own home. Not a rental house, it's a meme not a commentary on rental housing 👍🏻
@Linus Tech Tips. On a very related note, Dave Plummer recently visited the IBM mainframe factory. What he discovered was that multi-threading REQUIRES liquid cooling. As an alternative (a feature?). Microsoft automatically slows the CPU clock to offset the heat produced by multi-threading. I had noticed problems with Excel crunching large numbers and how things slowed--dramatically. Now I think I understand the problem.
I love the vibe of this video! The soldering process and the rigorous testing were entertaining to follow. I also learned about running the CPU under-voltage in order to let the GPU use more power. Plenty of guys just being dudes too. What a vid!
When copper gets work hardened, you can heat it up to anneal it. It isn't very hard to do.
Yeah but you wouldn't want to torch a heat pipe lol.
except for the fittings soldered on the end.
@@sdfsdf2205 It's not a heat pipe; it's a water pipe
@@xungnham1388 He very likely meant the heatpipes from the laptop's cooling solution those would not do well at all if they tried to anneal the entire thing.
@@alexisrivera200xable I mean, they can do it before they attach it. Bend it, heat it, bend more, heat more. That's how you work copper if you want to shape it with hammer for example.
So this is what feels like to be an engineer. Getting something from AliExpress and just junk it in there
Any actual engineer would die of shame if they did anything like this stuff
@iivarimokelainen only if they were selling it as a finished product; otherwise engineers can be the jankiest of all.
@@gavinm7851 jank is ok. they're careless and unprepared
That's a great way to get fired unless your boss is Linus
@@gavinm7851 "It will work, think about it" with the confidence of that it will work, not that it should work.
We now need a video where you apply all the learnings and do this properly. We NEED to know. Also, you need to give some space below the laptops, specially for the air cooled one. I also have a version of those laptops, and even putting a tiny piece of Lego can make a 5-10 degrees difference.
The best thing about this. The solid burns and the glances at the camera all the way through.
Ain't there a fabricator or such in LTT who could tell these that copper alloys work hardening can be negated with a basic butane torch (Like a kitchen one is enough). Which is why we use copper alloys for complicated loops and brass instruments. You can also melt wax in to the piping to prevent it from collapsing when you bend it. Copper and copper alloys are actually REALLY wonderful stuff to work with.
Sorry, but these are heat pipes. Meant to carry heat away from where you apply it.
@@Timbhu It's obviously about the water pipes and even mentioned in the video.
So wait, out of everything you guys do, THIS is something we might actually do ourselves? Lol I think we'd faster cool a gaming PC with a radiator from a PT cruiser before trying this madness. Nonetheless, it makes for a hell of an entertaining video, and that is most important :)
Well. . . Maybe if you didn't melt the cooler to pieces and used epoxy instead
I mean its basically just copper brake-pipe for cars so with some epoxy I could do this with stuff from my garage. 😁
Or just use household cupper pipes from the plumper store and just put it at center. So much contact to surface was crazy overkill
@@wyattroncin941i wouldve soldered, but the issue wasn't soldering it was their fancy infra red machine heating the whole heat pipe system up, so that the heat gun and soldering iron added to it; instantly made the other heat pipes solder melt, if you dont have that machine you would be pretty okay(it would take longer to melt the solder you trying to add tho )
@@not_so_native_native without the reflow jig or a preheat oven you'd struggle to get enough heat in to actually melt the solder. It's a heat sink after all, and a soldering iron doesn't generate that much heat compared to a CPU. You could still get away with soldering, but you'd need to use a slightly lower preheat temperature and go much slower than they did so you aren't heat soaking the whole thing with the iron. You could also make a jig to rest the whole thing on, made of wood or machined aluminum with an oil pan heater underneath. That way if you do melt the cooler it doesn't fall apart on you.
The look of discomfort on Alex's face when Linus says "This is something you might want to replicate at home" is gold 😂
Been DIY watercooling my MSI GE67 HX since a year now, because constant high pitched fans and 90C arent great. But I put some of these cheap Amazon aluminium waterblocks above the flat heapipes of CPU and GPU, just some thermal paste in between. Mounting Pressure comes from an aluminium plate that goes on instead of the stock plastic backplate. Used some couplers that dont leak when disconnected and build bas station with a car interieur heater, 200mm Noctua fans and a aquarium pump in a big beerglass, I run windshield washer fluid. Very quiet setup, the laptops fans never spin because the heat gets carried away by the waterblocks first. While traveling I have a smaller base station that fits into my backpack but the whole original aircooler is still working on its own, no risk of overheating. - I would never solder anything to the stock heatpipes, I looked for a laptop that had all flat heatpipes to mount waterblocks on top of them. - leak- free disconnect fittings in both directions are a must ( that XMG laptop they try to replicate here must be fully drained everytime when going mobile), I use industrial penumatic fittings - a small 5V pump is OK but more flow from a 12V pump is better, I also use 10mm pipe, and USB power isnt endless, I use wall adapters.
Love Nate's calm energy
Thanks, I didn't had to scroll much to find this comment.
You mean monotone voice or zero enthusiasm for anything ? Lol.
@@midicronica1 just because someone's not acting super hyper doesn't mean they're not enthusiastic. Besides, its his first time on camera, he might be nervous
@@Hydraas Yes exactly, I think it's refreshing with someone more calm. Doesn't mean they are not enthusiastic.
"this may be something you can actually do at home" last famous words
When soldering follow iron with cold damp cloth helps hold competed melts
these 30+ minute videos are keeping me sane while I'm in university for computer engineering. Thanks Guys!
Merry Christmas LMG. Your vids are my daily post-kids-in-bed unwind time and I really struggled through your slow upload month. Still glad you did it. Really appreciate you guys more then you know.
At this point, AliExpress is Amazon with less steps.
AE is great for stuff like this. There are so many Chinese resellers on Amazon now that just 4x the price for the same stuff on AE. Also shipping is often super slow as well when your Amazon stuff comes straight from China.
@@schwuzi Yeah i bought a brand new 7800X3D from aliexpress for 150$ less than on amazon. I benchmarked and stressed tested it. It was was a good CPU. Only downside is shipping tooke 2 and a half weeks instead of 2 days.
I also felt like a winner today after repairing some bent pins on a MSI mobo. It's truly satisfactory once you achieved something you first thought would be impossible to.
I like Nate with you and Alex same chaotic "I know how to do this properly but thats no fun" energy I hope to see him in many more future janky projects.
Also this video is amongst the top vids where Linus sounds extremely worried lmao. Alex and Linus are the funniest videos ..He stresses the poor guy out like a child does a parent lol
Oh boy. I see water cooling and Linus and my soul leaves my body.
I like the ANC on my AirPods Pro and AirPods Pro 2 as much as Linus does, and yes I agree with the reasons Linus provides for the AirPods Pro 2 being ideal daily driver true wireless earbuds compared to alternatives from other companies, but ANC (from any brand or type of headphones) is not comparable to hearing protection. You may have heard ANC headphones are better for your ears but that’s exclusively because ANC means you can turn your music volume down in loud environments
It would be neat to have legit add-on parts that easily connected to certain laptops for improved cooling. I would add that cooling like that could be beneficial is some niche uses like archaeological digs and mining etc, where the ambient air may not be suitable for proper internal cooling. Imagine you have your laptop and then you have your cooling pack - no air flow into/out of the case needed!
Intel sponsoring a watercooled laptop video tells you all you need to know about their chips lol
Any processor needing any kinda cooling is a rip-off.
didn't they pull out as a sponsor? or is there a thing with sponsorships that i am not aware of?
@@vilnaszekje huh?
@@vilnaszekje you can stop using or buying any kind of electronic devices that features a processor from now on i guess
@@johnsalamiithey sponsored this video. The joke is that their CPUs run HOT 🔥
I love watching these cooling mod vids, but on this one you could have run the flexy tubing through ice to cool it on the way in. It would probably have reduced the water temp by a few degrees, increasing your cooling capacity.
29:54 I was wondering where did he saw 92000MHz Then I thought for a couple of minutes and realised, he must've said "19...2000MHz" 😅😂
During the benchmarking part. Seeing the two laptops on the table, the modded one on the right side of our viewing perspective but the "Modded" Temps on the left really confused me and I kept looking to the right to see the water cooling temps just to realize it is backwards again
I have a Eluktronics LPP laptop. The water-cooling works extremely well and will stay a LPP customer as long as they are manufactured. The only problem I get is after about a year the quick connects leak and need to buy new quick connects.
Way too overpriced though.
Would love to see a part 2 where the process hopefully doesn't fail, and it being paired with some sort of portable reservoir/pump making it an actual water-cooled laptop solution that you'd use on a LAN for example.
I wouldn't use the preheater set quite as hot if I were to try to attach something to the top of a set of heat pipes like that, on a circuit board it helps you avoid cooking things next to the iron or hot air gun, since you have to apply fewer watts of heat with the tool since everything is already hot. Trying to get something attached to those heat pipes is a different problem, you want them to be hot enough you can melt the solder where you are working, but not hot enough for your tools heat to melt other solder. You have to ride a line where you can get your attachment area hot enough to solder properly, but the heat being sucked away isn't melting any other parts.... I am afraid that may not be possible (heat pipes work to well) with an iron or heat gun. Your best bet will probably be spot soldering with something like an oxy acet torch with a small welding tip on it, letting the assembly cool between each spot. The only other option I see is to make an under support that holds everything where it needs to be, and you weigh or clamp everything to it. Then you wont have to worry about items separating at least.
Would be awesome to see what can you do to lower temps for this kind of laptops without much intrusion
This is definitely fun but I'd like to see the mod done neatly sometime.
I'm so happy that I took the time to learned to undervolt and manage timings on my desktop rig, that now when I mess with people's laptops I really have the understanding on how to get the the absolute most bang for the buck concerning the cost of the system AND the amount of power they can save getting the absolute fastest speeds and best performance out of their gaming laptops.. I love it!!
Just to add some context here, U can find numbers of Taobao stores that would mod your laptop into water-cooled for 100 bucks or less, there is also water-cooled versions of laptop coolers for sale. (Most the customers of those mod are Uni student who like the travelability of the laptop but would like to see the temp drop or get better performance when they are using it as a desktop.)
I'm sure adding a small heatsink to the end of the copper pipe and cutting some small holes in the bottom of the case and attaching a mesh to it should keep temperature away from 103c ever again. It was 98c thanks to the Gelid thermal pad on Windows 8.1 but now that I'm using Linux-meaning my only API is OpenGL 3.3, I'm stuck with keeping my GPU temps under control by not pushing it so hard.
LTT - Showing you how to NOT do things properly since 2008. Also dropping a lot of items.
Some of my favorite LTT vids have been that week between Christmas and New Years.
This surely will be the future of laptops, like having a at home watercooling option then when on the go, just air cool
About the time the second stand-off was pulled out, I knew this thing was living on a wing and a prayer.
Would be interesting to see how much a high end cooling pad would contribute to the cooling in both examples.
Linus dropped the heat pipes at 8:49 being the great tech wizard he is
I'm just glad that the intro of this video talked about how we could try this at home too
Thanks for the Christmas gift LMG- please do more episodes where Canadians try and say “solder” laugh a minute :-)
Somehow these videos keep getting more and more insane and I'm here for it
For solder fumes indoors like you guys were dealing with; air filters for weed work great. The 4" ones are all you need. And you can buy them with a blower. We use them at the soldering stations at work, can't smell a thing, and the replacement filters are cheap.
What the final step for resoldering the entire board looked like was beautiful. When they started using the rework station it was immediately pbvious what a disaster it would be
I really appreciate Nates energy. I think he'll do great!
alex always returns when we need his chaos the most
What a great Christmas gift just a day late. Alex and Linus do crazy things and film it. My favorite.
I love these videos, it just breaks my heart that they //*destroyed*// a laptop way way way better than what i just bought T_T
Time to try this at home. Instructions were clear, 30$ budget looks like it should totally be enough for all the extras as well. SeemsGood
And 3,500$ for the laptop. It’s a bargain really you can probably sell it for double that once you do this
Nate was awesome, what a natural on camera!
best video ive watched, love it! i myself is having issues with my msi katana gf66 which hits 95c almost all the time, my solution was to turn of turbo :')
I thought about using the little coper tubing for an automotive oil pressure gauge and wrapping it around the heat pipe with some thermal paste to do a water cooled laptop. But i never finished it.
Linus getting a board twice his height for a dad joke is just great.
this is the most chaotic alex watercooling episode yet. i think maybe even the best LTT video
Hah, I did something similar to my old 2019 MSI gaming laptop just last month. I used a copper water block and some extra long tubing. It is attached to the laptops copper heating pipes using ABS plastic simply dissolved in acetone with thermal paste in between. The abs contracts when it solidify so it is a very secure and snug fit. It starts melting at around 105C but it theoretically will not even reach that even if the whole thing was unpowered. It is powered by an old ZooMed canister filter I have lying around. It works very well. During stress test, my cpu is usually 90+ C, but with this, it is very happy at 70C. With regular use, my CPU is Usually at 55-60 but it is arounf 25C with this diy. I want to switch to aluminum water block so I can actually pipe the water into an aquarium and see if that residual heat can be useful to warm up some of my tropical fishies lol. I'm used to maintaining aquarium filters so cleaning the water block is no stranger to me.
"This is something you may want to actually do at home" 😂
the laptop engineers watching this in absolute horror, blood pouring out of their eyes and foam coming from of their mouths.
The intrusion safety really infuriates me as a repair guy, makes testing a PITA
I've never even seen one on a laptop before, least of all a gaming laptop.
@@FlyboyHelosim they are rare but they exist, mostly on professional stuff from HP and DELL and generally on desktop
@@guillaumejoop6437 Yeah I know they exist on Dell business desktops, and that makes much more sense.
I like Nate, may he have a long and prosperous future with LTT
What happened with the solder is that the solder they were using fused with the other one, which caused it to be susceptible to a lower heat resistance, we use lower heat solder to de-solder things with a high temperature resistance solder
Unrelated cooling idea: run the "cold side" of an air conditioner through a water block on a CPU (straight piped refrigerant), coupled with an electric cooler at the contact site under the block. With safeguards for condensation, it might be the next step to keeping these monster CPUs from melting everything.
it would be funnier if they added ICE to the water reservoir hehe bet that would have made super cooling
Why is no one talking about this things CPU being faster than an i9 12900k, that is ridiculous impressive!
Eluktronics has a literal water cooling application, same as I want to say Ibuypower laptop. It's an external pump/water res. Probably the best we will get for years - they don't sell kits though, I have tried to get them to sell me the parts for it to water cool other laptops, but they won't lol.
I made a ghettomod water cooling pad for my Legion 5 Pro. Instead of soldering heatpipes I just attached a bunch of those cheapo CPU blocks on the conveniently flat heatpipes on the back. I went from thermal throttling and RAM instability to 55°C on both GPU and CPU during furmark/IBT combined load (140W). I can still grab the laptop, wipe off the MX-4, and be mobile in under a minute. Considering its one of the best cooled mid-size laptop to begin with, according to uncle Linus, I'm gonna note that one down as a mother-_-ing win. It did end up costing me quite a bit more than than $30 though. In fact I paid almost $30 just for all those damn fittings.
Bro I’ve seen this video like 3 or 4 times and it’s have a different thumbnail every time
Did you guys see Linus with a drill or did you see sad Linus
I see sad Linus
I see Linus with a drill
He got a drill
I still want to see an external cooler for a laptop where you simply have a hole in the bottom exposing the heatplate so you can attach a copper heatsink instead of water cooling directly
I think that'd probably not be allowed under regulations concerning device skin temp
That's a safety nightmare waiting to happen. Consumers is not smarts.
That's a safety nightmare waiting to happen. Consumers is not smarts.
Maybe not the entire bottom, but I could see a window the size of a 120mm fan and a thin set of heatsink fins all over the heatpipes. When closed it's just extra passive cooling, but when docked you can ram air into it. Maybe the cooling pad has a bit of a gasket material around the area so there's as little leakage as possible.
@@DigitalJedi I meant like a square of copper on top of the heatpipes that go over the cpu and gpu dies, or a square of copper over laptops with vapor chambers that you can flip open a plastic cover and then press onto an external cooler that uses heatpipes to move the heat to a larger air cooler.
I feel like I would have used a wire wheel brush to take the paint off, and a map gas torch with plumbing solder to connect the heat pipes together.
Asus have been using that capton tape thing for many years. The CPU and GPU in my 2013 Asus N-Series laptop has the same thing.
At this point. I am shocked on how it works.. that's all I can say
21:02 is that a full metal LTT screwdriver?! WTF how can a screwdriver look so good?! 🤩🤑
Experiencing power-on delays with Asus is a common issue. It even occurs with my 3rd ASUS ROG laptop at times. Additionally, with all of them, there's a frequent problem where they freeze after entering a prolonged suspended state. Come on, ASUS, please address these bugs. Your laptops are excellent, and it's a shame these issues persist. Linux, time to cool down the reservoir full on ices!
Far easier to tin the area's of contact and the new heat pipe THEN heat the new pipe only until you see them both flow together, that will isolate the heat away from the rest of the heat pipes
"You might want to do this at home!" *Process to struggle with sodering heat pipes and undoing the whole thing*
To be fair, they repeatedly referred to how they could've just used thermal epoxy.