I Had To Make a HUGE 40mm Thread Tap - Its BIG

2024 ж. 11 Мам.
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G'day everyone,
Back in the workshop again and this week I need to make another tap. I need a screw with a large pitch which is also good for transmitting power. That rules out a multi start V thread, which isn't great at efficiently transmitting power. The go to solution would be an ACME or metric trapezoidal tap, which can be single point cut on the lathe. However my lathe wont cut a pitch large enough.
That is fine though because I have the helical milling set up, but that only produces square threads. Not my first choice but we can make do with it.
And that brings us here. I have never made a square tap, and I have never made a tap this big - SQ40 x 8. Machinery's handbook advises that these threads are difficult to cut with a tap, which filled me with confidence.
I will be making a 3 set tap set. 3 is the bare minimum for this thread pitch, but I could have gone up to 5. Each tap will have a different diameter to reduce the cutting force. The first one being 34mm to establish the threads, the second tap being 37mm to widen the cut and the final being 40mm to finish the profile.
I will also need to case harden the taps. i used some hot rolled grade 300 steel which is low carbon. Not my first choice of steel, but we can make it work. I will carburize it int he furnace to increase the carbon content then I will quench it in oil to end up with a tap 55 Rockwell C.
The final tap set looks pretty crazy and out of place. I have never seen a tap this large outside of a pipe tap, although the pipe tap had a much finer pitch. And I will also test the tap in aluminium. I don't have the stones to sharpen it yet so I will keep the test easy and use aluminium. Although the end goal is to tap steel. I hope you enjoy the video.
Mill - Sieg x2.7l
Lathe - Hafco Al250g
#machining #diy #tapbuild
Sqaure thread tap
Massive tap build
Making a thread tap
Square threads
Timestamps
0:00 - Introduction to Sqaure Threads
3:24 - Turning Down The Blanks on the Lathe
9:07 - Cutting The Sqaure Threads On The Lathe
12:00 - Machining The Flutes
14:07 - Case Hardening The Taps
18:52 - Sqaure Thread Tap Set Testing

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  • Should we start a crowd funding campain to buy this man a band saw?!

    @nevermind1O844@nevermind1O8448 ай бұрын
  • So is that a 40mm tap in your pocket... Oh God it is! 👍

    @Tinman97301@Tinman973018 ай бұрын
    • "Hide yo kids, hide yo wife"

      @peterspencer6442@peterspencer64428 ай бұрын
  • Now that you have moved up to tool-making, maybe it's at least time for a power hacksaw...

    @cullenpurkis4593@cullenpurkis45938 ай бұрын
    • When I saw him start that with a hack saw I oof'd, out loud, haha

      @H3xx1st@H3xx1st8 ай бұрын
  • A good thing to remember when making the relief cuts. from personal experience using acme taps they always wear out on top of the trailing metal behind the cutting surface, after a few uses it ends up super polished and that seems to make the tap take a lot less torque to move, so for your application it might be worth to polish the taps then sharpen it, you will get a better finish!

    @alanmartinez45@alanmartinez458 ай бұрын
  • Making a set of huge (for the size of your machines), square thread taps, by helical milling, from hot rolled mild steel, then case hardening seems ridiculously ambitious on the face of it. I'm amazed that you have pulled it off. Seriously well done. What is your favourite brand of hacksaw blade?

    @leonclose7823@leonclose78238 ай бұрын
    • Same here - MacGyver would be proud. For most of the video, I just kept watching because I wanted to see if the next thing would work. You can increase the carbon content of steel by baking it with charcoal? Wow. A+ for raw cleverness

      @dirkv.9013@dirkv.90138 ай бұрын
    • @@dirkv.9013 That's OLD school metalworker stuff there

      @Tasarran@Tasarran7 ай бұрын
    • I use suttons cobalt blades. Cheers

      @artisanmakes@artisanmakes7 ай бұрын
  • I'm dying of curiosity now to see what project you will use these massive taps on. Can't wait.

    @jorgeaura2890@jorgeaura28908 ай бұрын
  • Great to see the hacksaw making yet another appearance. Your cuts are a lot straighter than mine. Man! What a project, especially as it’s a project to make a project. Looking forward to seeing that project! Thanks for all your work. Les in UK 🇬🇧

    @leslieaustin151@leslieaustin1518 ай бұрын
    • Years of hacksaw practice has paid off

      @artisanmakes@artisanmakes8 ай бұрын
    • @@artisanmakes - It probably builds on the strength you have gained since your teenage years from doing a similar hand/arm motion 😂😂

      @johncoops6897@johncoops68978 ай бұрын
    • @@johncoops6897 looooooooool

      @herzogsbuick@herzogsbuick8 ай бұрын
  • I don't know what size you did the square drive, but if it is 1 inch or close to a standard socket drive diameter, buy a single socket, cross drill a hole so you can insert a bar and drive the tap using the square in the socket. Pretty sure that would work?

    @killerbanjo@killerbanjo8 ай бұрын
    • But it'd be a lot funnier to make a comically large tap wrench to go with the comically large taps. :D

      @slartimus@slartimus8 ай бұрын
    • Socket and 3/4” drive impact wrench.

      @martinswiney2192@martinswiney21928 ай бұрын
    • They commercially make 8 pt sockets for use on square nuts. A lot easier to just pick up a socket of the appropriate size if it is a normal size square.

      @a-k-jun-1@a-k-jun-15 ай бұрын
    • Correct myself months later after watching him use the taps. 1” drive impact wrench.

      @martinswiney2192@martinswiney21925 ай бұрын
  • For easier covering with the borax flux wrap a metallic mesh around the flux! Nice work brother!

    @alanmartinez45@alanmartinez458 ай бұрын
  • Outstanding work. Your problem solving approach is intelligent, and skillful, and your execution is fearless. You just dive right in. Respect. Side note, your videos are also fan-friggin-tastic. Making vids is harder than it looks and yours are so clear and easy to follow. I am stealing idea... I mean, "taking notes"... 😅

    @hersch_tool@hersch_tool8 ай бұрын
  • PLINK!! ... broke the tap off in the workpiece ...unlikely. 😁👍

    @wizrom3046@wizrom30468 ай бұрын
    • So you say, but literally this last week the boss broke a 35mm. It makes quite the trophy!

      @CheffBryan@CheffBryan8 ай бұрын
  • For the cutting of the tread, take 2 fix wrenches to get More power and dont get the power from only one side like on the adjustable wrench. For example two 36 wrenches. Great content!!!

    @Skankhuunt42@Skankhuunt428 ай бұрын
    • What he said. I figured someone would have already beaten me to it.

      @kyfho47@kyfho478 ай бұрын
  • You are truly tapped mate, the size of those bloody things. Well done, you'll be well screwed once you turn them through steel. Thank you for sharing your time.

    @Horus9339@Horus93398 ай бұрын
  • I appreciate that this guy was willing to tell us about all the problems he had. A lot of people leave all that out and make it seem like child's play 🤣

    @kdubbya@kdubbya7 ай бұрын
  • One of these days you should setup a electronic lead screw for the lathe.

    @hampopper3150@hampopper31508 ай бұрын
  • I absolutely love your videos. Discovered you when I had to be in hospital for 2 weeks in last December, and ended up bingewatching every video you had out at that time

    @Bloodray19@Bloodray198 ай бұрын
  • Square threads are actually stronger in applications like pressure vessels because they have no taper which would act as a wedge and rip apart either itself or the mating surface when pressiz3d internally

    @timturner7609@timturner76098 ай бұрын
  • this is why my brother has several editions of "Machinery's Handbook" going back to the first edition. The information comes and goes, and sometimes the old ways are best.

    @xerxespamplemousse6622@xerxespamplemousse66228 ай бұрын
    • Yeah seems that even though there’s is 2000 plus pages they still have to removed old information

      @artisanmakes@artisanmakes8 ай бұрын
  • sweet!...can't wait to see what you need those taps for. 🤣🤔

    @douglasharley2440@douglasharley24408 ай бұрын
  • I have been, and am still, impressed by your strength and persistence cutting large stock with a hacksaw!! I understand your resource and space restraints but that does not dimmish the effort you expend! Well done sir! Great vid too!

    @robyoung1890@robyoung18908 ай бұрын
  • I love the way you increased the carbon during the hardening in charcoal packing boxes, I'm a hobby machinist and never did that before

    @andrewlacerenza667@andrewlacerenza6678 ай бұрын
  • I can't wait to see the dividing head rebuild 😂😂

    @crazynthree@crazynthree8 ай бұрын
  • If you weld a bar to the fixed jaw of the adjustables, makes a quick simple tap wrench. Not very fancy, but I'm assuming you're not going to be 40mm tapping for a living. 😄

    @nineoclockhero@nineoclockhero8 ай бұрын
  • Looking forward to that tap wrench video!

    @WompWompWoooomp@WompWompWoooomp8 ай бұрын
  • WOW, masterfully done. I learn so much from your videos! Thanks for taking us along and take care!

    @bigmotter001@bigmotter0018 ай бұрын
  • Can't wait to see the application of these threads!

    @PatrickHoodDaniel@PatrickHoodDaniel8 ай бұрын
  • Great minds think alike. Using an air brush as a mist coolant sprayer. Glad to see it on YT.

    @repairtech9320@repairtech93208 ай бұрын
  • Thats honestly pretty nuts. I cant wait to see it in action on whichever project youre using it for. Incredible project, thanks for sharing!

    @charlvanniekerk8009@charlvanniekerk80098 ай бұрын
  • "Comically large" taps deserve a comically large tap wrench!

    @BlackheartCharlie@BlackheartCharlie8 ай бұрын
  • Hey there nice vid! A tip from a machinist and engineer: the relief angel you need to improve the tap more is on the taper of the tap. It's hard to explain in a comment but the cutting tooth have no clearance angle right now, because the outer shape was formed on a lathe. You can easily do this on the grinder by hand on the tapered part of the taps. I highly recommend the video from thisoldtony on this topic. Anyhow keep up the good work and have a nice day 🤘🏻

    @themasterisback1@themasterisback18 ай бұрын
    • I mentioned in the end that I have the intention of doing that but my new set of grinding wheels hasn’t turned up yet

      @artisanmakes@artisanmakes8 ай бұрын
    • You made it clear you were waiting for wheels and it will be more difficult to grind into hardened steel. I guess from a project management point of view you get the job done faster by shifting work before the wheels arrive at a small cost of having the grinding a bit more difficult. How long did it take to grind relief?

      @DanPetrePhotos@DanPetrePhotos8 ай бұрын
    • It’s usually a fairly quick job but I have yet to get around to it

      @artisanmakes@artisanmakes8 ай бұрын
  • First time I have seen taps created. This contect was well organized and enjoyable to watch. Many thanks.

    @H3rmanHan01@H3rmanHan018 ай бұрын
  • Can't wait to see the machine you're building.

    @Hati321@Hati3218 ай бұрын
  • i swear. every time i see a machinist pull up the machinery's handbook i know sh*t just got real

    @francobuzzetti9424@francobuzzetti94248 ай бұрын
  • Mind. Blown. Amazing job!

    @colinmcmillan2642@colinmcmillan26428 ай бұрын
  • I was thinking that guy with your skills cuts the material with a ordinary hacksaw. Respect on that.

    @jamesdrake2378@jamesdrake23788 ай бұрын
  • I keep forgetting just how much chemistry is involved with metalworking. I'm a professional carpenter, so I don't even know what I'm doing here.

    @infrabread@infrabread8 ай бұрын
    • @infrabread it's just like woodworking just you're working with petrified wood and modified stones. Some basic principles apply to both occupations.

      @ronwilken5219@ronwilken52198 ай бұрын
    • It’s not too different to wood selection and grain structure that you have to consider.

      @artisanmakes@artisanmakes8 ай бұрын
  • Good ideas, great execution. Thanks for showing us.

    @erniemathews5085@erniemathews50857 ай бұрын
  • Never seen anyone do this. Amazing. Well done mate. Cheers.

    @merc7105@merc71058 ай бұрын
  • Or as Crocodile Dundee would have put it: That's not a tap! This is a tap! 🤣

    @nuneke0@nuneke08 ай бұрын
  • Holy smoke, I can’t imagine what you need such big taps for. Very interesting video. Thank you. 👏👏👍😀

    @andrewdolinskiatcarpathian@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian8 ай бұрын
  • hi. this is my favourite youtube channel at the moment!

    @neilredelinghuys3263@neilredelinghuys32638 ай бұрын
  • I would just make the drive end 6 sided, so you can use a proper socket and whatever wrench you want. Most times when I and others I've worked with, use larger taps you end up finding the closest socket and using a 3/4 drive rachet anyway, because tap handles that size are too awkward and bulky to be able to use where you need them on a lot of machines (need too much space to spin the handle). Plus if you do it before cutting the threads it will give the chuck flats to hold onto. You could make 6 sides work with a normal tap handle as well if you change the angle in the holding inserts from 90 degrees to 120 degrees.

    @patrickbeck4062@patrickbeck40628 ай бұрын
  • Finally, a tap that won't break if I look at it funny!

    @oliverer3@oliverer38 ай бұрын
  • How awesome. That is really good 👍👍

    @MASI_forging@MASI_forging8 ай бұрын
  • Finally a tap that doesn't break. it rather breaks me!

    @Der_Arathok@Der_Arathok8 ай бұрын
  • Brilliant job.

    @scroungasworkshop4663@scroungasworkshop46638 ай бұрын
  • Nice work. I used to tap some inch and a quarter BSW threads through 30mm mild steel plate, for die sets for sheet metal. Anyhow we used a tap wrench that was about 3 feet long and even then it was hard work. And this is 40mm and square. Good job and good luck.

    @stevensmart8868@stevensmart88688 ай бұрын
  • Somebody get this guy a metal bandsaw!

    @monkeyjustice@monkeyjustice8 ай бұрын
  • 22:35 You can have a square holed spanner lasercut out of 10mm steel sheet, or weld up something from 2 pieces of 10x40 flat bar.

    @MyTubeSVp@MyTubeSVp8 ай бұрын
  • Good work. We love big tools. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎

    @homemadetools@homemadetools8 ай бұрын
  • Nice Work!

    @juliankoenig@juliankoenig7 ай бұрын
  • I really don't understand why you don't own a bandsaw by now, even a small one would make your life so much easier.

    @Joe-xq3zu@Joe-xq3zu8 ай бұрын
    • or a sawzall!

      @Jacklsovakia1@Jacklsovakia18 ай бұрын
    • or a mitre box 😛

      @Bobo-ox7fj@Bobo-ox7fj8 ай бұрын
    • Or two f#cks what anyone else thinks. Oh wait!

      @christofs-a1834@christofs-a18348 ай бұрын
    • @@christofs-a1834 ha nice one

      @Jacklsovakia1@Jacklsovakia18 ай бұрын
  • The airbrush coolant dispenser is very creative. Thanks for the interesting project.

    @DudleyToolwright@DudleyToolwright8 ай бұрын
  • tbh the begining with a 1914 machinist handbook with a WHOLE SECTION about why you should NOT do it, immediatelly followed by handsawing commically large pole, immediatelly followed by revelation that you did it 3 times is peak comedy

    @maciejglinski6564@maciejglinski65648 ай бұрын
  • You mentioned that the helical cutting was using the bottom of the endmill and that was increasing the cutting force. Couldn't you offset the Y axis half the cutter diameter so that the leading edge of the end mill was at the centerline of the part? This would end up with a slightly rounded bottom of the grooves you are cutting, but it would mean the cutting was all done by the sides of the end mill instead of the sides and bottom.

    @Beef4Dinner22@Beef4Dinner228 ай бұрын
  • Well done. 👍👍👍

    @Lone-Wolf87@Lone-Wolf878 ай бұрын
  • Impressed !

    @jmyyer@jmyyer8 ай бұрын
  • *Thank you for a very good video. Valuable leason learned!* 👍❤😊

    @masterQ20@masterQ208 ай бұрын
  • Let’s get this man a nice bandsaw

    @Adam_Swaner@Adam_Swaner8 ай бұрын
  • I love the fact that the book was just straight up "Don't do this. You shouldn't do this. It's a pain in the ass. OK, now here's how you do it."

    @bow-tiedengineer4453@bow-tiedengineer44537 ай бұрын
  • Overall, this is a highly informative and enjoyable video for anyone interested in engineering. It showcases your talent and expertise while providing valuable insights and inspiration to fellow enthusiasts. Keep up the great work, and I look forward to watching more of your content in the future 👍👍👍

    @ma-lakshmifabricator7549@ma-lakshmifabricator75497 ай бұрын
  • That's an impressive project. Greetings from sunny Adelaide.

    @greaser5691@greaser56918 ай бұрын
  • Very nice work

    @battleaxefabandmachine@battleaxefabandmachine8 ай бұрын
  • My respects this is something really outstanding, keep it up!

    @Carrera281@Carrera2815 ай бұрын
  • You obviously didn't listen to all the idiots that say you can't make anything worthwhile in a small machine shop, Congratulations for proving them wrong and for all the information and entertainment you provide .Thank you

    @steved8038@steved80388 ай бұрын
  • With the relief should be easier to cut. Nice job!

    @babayaga5225@babayaga52258 ай бұрын
  • What an effort. Well done you.

    @michaelsimpson9779@michaelsimpson97795 ай бұрын
  • Great video 😊

    @bluefalconcatering@bluefalconcatering8 ай бұрын
  • nice work

    @mootan2@mootan28 ай бұрын
  • Blacksmiths use an adjustable wrench with a bar welded onto the head for twisting steel, something as simple as that could work as a bigger tap wrench unless you have plans to make one of those too

    @HoY_82@HoY_828 ай бұрын
  • i think what you could try when forming the flutes and therefore the cutting edge is grinding them with a dremel and small ball grinder in the lathe with only the crosslide. You should get a pretty prestine finish that way.

    @arminrichard1836@arminrichard18368 ай бұрын
  • Impressive 👍 🇬🇧

    @TheRecreationalMachinist@TheRecreationalMachinist8 ай бұрын
  • Amazing, I love seeing unusual things being made rather than 9001th vise jaws :D

    @Kmnri@Kmnri8 ай бұрын
  • Next project: a big ol’ tap wrench

    @OhHeyTrevorFlowers@OhHeyTrevorFlowers8 ай бұрын
  • So you were saying that you hope that it would follow the groves from the previous tap. Something that I do to prevent cross threading when putting in a bolt is I will start by running the bolt backwards until it falls into the threads, this way I know for a fact that the bolt is properly seated before sending the bolt home. This is super helpful to save your projects and bolts and it doesn't take but a second or two.

    @thealicemonster9217@thealicemonster92178 ай бұрын
    • It’s more so that fact that the lead angle of the threads changes with these types of taps. It’s ever so slight but there is a change. I was worried that it might try and cut a different helix as a result

      @artisanmakes@artisanmakes8 ай бұрын
    • @@artisanmakes Ooh, okay. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for clearing that for me 😊 That trick of mine is really helpful tho. 😁 I really liked the video, you do good quality work.

      @thealicemonster9217@thealicemonster92178 ай бұрын
  • Holy smokes mate, is that for an oil rig? 🤣 Great work as always. I appreciate your approach "If it works = Success!" Respect.

    @blanix6637@blanix66378 ай бұрын
  • wow. Just wow.

    @alliwantedisapepsi1492@alliwantedisapepsi14928 ай бұрын
  • awesome video. for future use, you can buy tapered end mills for machining injection molds.

    @notabagel@notabagel8 ай бұрын
  • Interesting. I liked the video, but I would have purchased a TR40 tap from Aceteel instead of trying to make one though. They cost about $350 US dollars, but that is cheaper than I could make one. I have designed large automated equipment that used large linear drive screws and never had a problem finding large taps or screws. It will be very interesting to find out what this project is. Great video and I truly enjoyed it!

    @robgraybeal8089@robgraybeal80898 ай бұрын
    • Prices for stuff like that vary widely depending on where you are in the world. Where I am I would pay as much as you pay for the big one for a way smaller one.

      @betaich@betaich5 ай бұрын
  • Feeling some ToT inspired vibes from your video. I think you got a new subscriber

    @AnonOmis1000@AnonOmis10008 ай бұрын
  • I know this is silly, but a bit of me dies whenever I see someone scrape a nonstick pan with a metal tool.

    @courier11sec@courier11sec8 ай бұрын
    • As long as his wife doesn't see and he returns them clean to the kitchen cupboard she's none the wiser.

      @ronwilken5219@ronwilken52198 ай бұрын
  • Holy smokes! 😮 Cutting edge engineering would be proud of that result on such a small lathe and mill. How you pulled it off is legend! 😊

    @klausnielsen1537@klausnielsen15378 ай бұрын
  • You could maybe grind the back of each tooth to relieve the tool friction

    @THusbands@THusbands8 ай бұрын
  • Great workout

    @imranmahsud84@imranmahsud8425 күн бұрын
  • 10 years down the line, someone will curse at you and your work.

    @graealex@graealex8 ай бұрын
  • Hey bud, great content! If you have an adjustable wrench you are willing to sacrifice, a cheap/ excellent alternative to a large tap wrench, is to weld a bar to the adjustable jaw, equal to the length of the handle of the wrench. I carried one with me for field repairs and it did the trick for years. You may be experiencing high side loading on the tap without support on both sides of the centerline of the tap. Hope this helps!

    @MathMikeAllen@MathMikeAllen8 ай бұрын
  • "That's not a tap. THIS is a tap." -- Crocodile Dundee, probably

    @Reducer@Reducer8 ай бұрын
  • Name: Artisan Makes Title: Machinist, Alchemist, Magician

    @sempertard@sempertard8 ай бұрын
  • Thats a big ambitious project for a shed guy well done like many others here single sided handle is no good need a double or possibly multi handle tap wrench with lots of leverage especially for steel looking forward to the next one

    @bscoffeeandwelding7236@bscoffeeandwelding72368 ай бұрын
  • The whole time I was watching you make them taps I was thinking how the heck do you drive or muscle through that large of a tap ! Wheeew, that’s gonna take some grit. Lol 😂 They turned out great looking and left a nice thread though. 👍👍

    @jasonhull5712@jasonhull57128 ай бұрын
  • I'm REALLY curious what these taps are for.

    @HyperactiveNeuron@HyperactiveNeuron8 ай бұрын
  • Easy way for a quick tap wrench. Just weld a piece of rod to the adjustable wrench to give yourself 2 handles

    @juliancannizzaro2906@juliancannizzaro29068 ай бұрын
  • cracking job that, I have wondered how pig a tap you can safely make and turn by hand, I wonder if you could make a die big enough to do the same thread .. Thanks for sharing

    @TalRohan@TalRohan8 ай бұрын
  • The ole machinist's stirring stick

    @lepreseanaz@lepreseanaz8 ай бұрын
  • That's amazing work, I would have thought turning metal cutting taps would be outside the limits of a home machine shop. Did you end up using a cheap airbrush for cooling or did you have to spend more?

    @BEDavisBrown@BEDavisBrown8 ай бұрын
  • Sometimes size really does matter 😁

    @msmith2961@msmith29618 ай бұрын
  • Fantastic job. Would cutting the flutes before the threads help with bit loading/chip removal? Would also prevent the burr on the threads. Not a machinist, just a fan!

    @KrAvE4KaRnAgE@KrAvE4KaRnAgE8 ай бұрын
  • Nice job. FYI ammonia takes polymerized oil off very well.

    @magicponyrides@magicponyrides8 ай бұрын
  • Great vid as always. please tell me you made these taps for some part for a bandsaw your making to get away from the hack saw?

    @charliesnyder1608@charliesnyder16088 ай бұрын
  • The hardening process was particularly interesting. Thanks!

    @tcurdt@tcurdt8 ай бұрын
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