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I bought the TCL X11G Max, the biggest single-piece TV on the market at 115”. Actually, it’s not really on the market as it’s China-only but I somehow got it here and three people mounted it on my wall. But now that it’s set up, is it any good? Does it REALLY have over 20,000 local dimming zones? Are giant TVs going to destroy the market for projectors??
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:13 hear me out
3:30 20K dimming zones?
5:45 SDR is nuts on this thing
7:30 Color performance
8:15 drawbacks of this TV
9:00 the remote
9:20 GAMING
10:30 More drawbacks
13:30 I HAVE A DEAD PIXEL
14:55 Price..is it a bad deal?
18:45 Outro
I’ve never heard of a more Linus thing than keeping a 115 inch Tv
May not have a lambo but has a bigger TV
So bright the photons can accelerate an average car faster than a lambo
Yes
"Dropping a 115 inch TV."
I mean what else would he do to it? Send back to China?
Honestly, having this tv in the theater room is not a bad idea, it looks big enough to be an actual theater screen. It's quite a shame that this isn't also in America or Canada, it would be a huge hit in the future for this tv.
No it wouldnt. Whats the market for people with a cinema room + 13k dollars for a TV + the transportation to get it home? Thats a millionaires toy.
Yep. I'd love one... but I am not rich or stupid enough to drop that kind of money on a TV @@BatLB
I thing its just question of time.
@@BatLByou love to make stuff up all the time? They talked about the licensing issues when they reviewed the TV. Has nothing to do with cost, of course there's people in the US and Canada that will pay for that.
Big ass TVs have been around for a long time guess what: nobody buys them. Remember those huge plasmas TVs from the 90s that costed an arm and a leg?
In China, someone will call you in advance to ask you the size of the elevator (if the elevator is not big enough, they will ask the stairs, and pay extra for going up the stairs), and at the same time determine whether the installed wall or desktop is feasible. Then, about a week or two later, an installation master will contact you and arrive at the goods. He will make an appointment with you to install them at the door. There will be an unsealed minivan delivered to the door, and at the same time, 2~3 people will install them at the door. In my impression, if there is a bad point in TCL TV, you can actually ask for a replacement -form one comment on ltt cn -ps TCL also comment they plan to bring it to outside China
I'm in Canada and my 75" TV barely fit in the elevator. Had it been 85", I would have had to take it out of the box in the building lobby. I don't think 115" would fit in my stairwell, I'd need to rent a crane to get it through my balcony.
They would also ask which floor you live in, if the elevator or the stairs is not suitable to transport the TV to your home, they would also need to know your windows size as they would remove your windows and using a crane truck to lift and send the TV to your designated room.
Old condos may have such issue. Newly build condos are fine with such size.
It's also things you are commonly asked when buying a fridge in some places. Especially Japan, has many people have a 2nd floor kitchen/living room, and very tiny stairs. It's not rare to have something to lift it and make it go through the balcony.
Well, according to who bought it in China, the way they bought this big tv to indoor living room is hanging it up from downstairs through balcony.
you can always tell when linus is genuinely excited by a product, and it makes videos so much better
obviously i mean that he is excited about this tv
right guys? guys???
yah. Linus should do more like that.
You can definitely fell the nerdisim come out
Trust me Bro!
Just call it the compensator TV already
ya beat me to it haha
Nice you play astroner right?
This man is ahead of the game
💀
😅😅😅😅😅😅
I just want to mention that the HDR on this video hooked me better than the Thumbnail or the title. The vibrant color and contrast are amazing.
Because thumbnails are always accurate 😮
You can't experience HDR through YT. Aren't you feeling a bit silly now?
@@azynkron exactly, i was confused for a while too, coz youtube messes up the videos at any place possible. But, maybe they mean that the colors are calibrated to look more vibrant.
Honestly to this day I can't really say if I watch HDR content unless I am told. Even though I do have an OLED display. Idk if it's something wrong with me, with my display or with software.
I personally highly dislike the addition of the HDR, BUT This isn't really a problem with the channel, but rather with how youtube offer the video They provide no toggle for HDR which is pretty bad for me as the HDR version look extremly bad compared to the SDR version on my screen Thanks youtube for forcing me to download videos instead of just putting a F toggle in your app
For your dead pixel, you know that some pixels won't work properly because the liquid crystal is stuck. Then if you repeatedly play a drastically changing image in this area, the liquid crystal may work again, and you will fix your dead pixel. Sometimes heat (using a hot water bottle) can speed up the process. This won't necessarily solve your problem, but given that replacing a screen is difficult, it might be worth a try.
i once did cpr to a bunch of dead pixels and they start working. i just put a piece of absorbent paper and pressed it gently with a fork (really!!) and they came back
yeah, i had not a dead pixel, but a hot pixel in an old plasma panel (it was bright red like a laser pointer) i fixed it with a video that was many tiny colored squares changing rapidly, i left it overnight and by the next day it was fixed
I had several dead and hot (opposite of dead pixel, basically it's always "on") pixels and the image changing never worked for me. What did though, was massaging the affected area. Just make sure you do it on white background if it's a dead pixel and on black if it's a hot pixel, so that you can see when it's done and not overdo it (as too much of such massage may cause MORE dead/hot pixels).
the pixel is so big, he can just get dan to replace it by hand xD
This hasn't worked for any of my dead pixels ever, for my entire life. I tried all kinds of things, and I never managed to bring a single pixel back to life.
According to the installer, contact Taobao customer service to turn on the engineering mode. In this mode, you can get many additional settings to solve the problems mentioned in the video.
I remember convincing my dad to get me a 15 inch tv for my bedroom, instead of a 14 inch, back in the 80s. TV/monitor tech is *incredible* value these days (for a regular tv 😂).
The house I am in was the price of fifty 20" TVs When it was built in 1974
Had a 13” black and white TV for most of my childhood. It was great at the time.
I had a 13 inch in my room. Lol. Living room was. 20 inch Sony back in the 80s.
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@@JasonZakrajsekwish reporting it helped but just make another 1000 accounts
I'll say it again. This thing honestly is so crazy that it even looks incredible in footage, having been filmed, prcoessed, and output on to a fricken monitor like when you see OLEDs in footage
It’s filmed in HDR (most of their videos aren’t)
@@upload00 I don't have an HDR monitor though, so it being filmed in HDR doesn't matter.
Oh I s3e
@uploadoh it was a nfb5i4kc00
@@Yay295 you phone if is not 5 years old or more should have HDR... you can try
It was really hard to conceptualize the sheer size of this TV until you said "every split screen player gets their own 55" tv" 😳🤯 truly insane
After this, I don't want to see Linus complaining about basic stuff going "missing" to staff 😂
😆
I'd love to see Linus find this in somebody's house during an AMD Upgrade.
What does that have to do with anything? He paid for it.
Loving that you produced and posted this video in HDR! Hope to see that more on the channel.
Same, looked great especially showcasing the 5000 nit screen :)
100% agree @sleev1091 and thank you LTT -> HDR both on a PC display and the iPads (which support that) looked just great! Keep it up!
On my phone HDR completely screws up contrast in some areas. It's so dark that it's getting difficult to read the text in the graphics.
Huh so that's why it looks weird. Even with good tonemapping HDR content looks bad on SDR displays and vice versa. HDR has created a mess.
@@Matthew-.- Linus has complained in the past about not being able to upload custom tone maps to youtube, so that might be the issue. Theoretically it could be tone mapped to look exactly the same as they would have produced it in SDR
Dead pixel sucks but knowing it is there is way worse than the actual defect. I bought a used 35" monitor a while ago and it has 3dead pixels next to each other. Was a little mad until I noticed I sometimes can't even find them when looking for them in a game/video 😄
Ive fixed dead pixels by pressing around the screen before.. sometimes at the edge of screen, sometimes an inch away from it, sometimes a foot away from it.. wonder if the tried that
Well, in my country having dead pixel on screen is regulated based on resolution and class of said screen iirc. Frankly speaking any country that follows ISO standard should have one. Monitor size doesn't matter. So... Unless it is monitor of first class, having 1 pixel is not a case for warranty replacement, sadly. So it will bother you forever. BUT, having clusters of dead pixels (more than 1 in 5x5 pixel square) is forbidden for class 2 monitors. But there can be few clusters of dead SUBpixels.
@@DavydKeyes or in this case it might be yards away from it
@DavydKeyes resurrecting a pixel is ofc a good thing to try, but don't expect them to last.
@@datapoint-hb4mthonestly insane to me that it’s not enough for warranty support. Fuck digital storm I guess.
Old school fix was to cycle rgb onto that individual pixel and rubbing it gently whilst doing so. Usually works for stuck pixels but might work here.
this actually worked for my awd34dwf lol
I tried that like 10 years ago for a stuck "blob" on my pc monitor. Kept the damn cycle running for almost a week with daily rub sessions with no improvement. Then a month or so later the dead zone just clicked on and ran perfectly for another 6 years... The monitor still works but its been sitting on the server pc and is turned on maybe once a month.
I hope this means we’ll see more (or all?) LTT videos in HDR from now on. This looked amazingly good compared to every other video you guys make! ❤️❤️❤️
I really hope so, but we will see, its not their first HDR video, they had one on Cyberpunk. I am guessing it will mostly happen, when it makes sense, like for TVs and Monitors
It was great on iPhone in the shower too lol
Sadly it either makes it look dark or bright for non hdr devices like mine. KZheads gotta have a setting to fix that.
They also made the CRT video on HDR as well
Same here, non hdr monitor and Linux looks like a bright tomato @@mrpotch
That's absolutely bonkers and I love it. I also appreciate you doing this video in HDR, having gone for the sitting closer option with a 65inch OLED.
Same 😅 but i also have aura lighting software on a HTPC for perfect TV backlight and room light syncing 🎉
@@MrHeHim I've got Corsair LED strips synced to the TV. :)
I never comment on LMG videos (because it's pretty good to me) But I must say that I REALLY ENJOYED THIS ONE!!! I hope that you give periodic updates on how well it works and how satisfied as a owner over time. Like 1,3,9,12 months. 😊
@HanmaHeiro its 11 thousand dollars, he's most likely gonna squeeze content out of it
@@ivibivivgig6425 Yeah, like 16 gamers, 1 Monitor or sth
@@ivibivivgig6425 yeah. They already made a second video about it. Not a big reach to make a third one
I demand minimum a one hour video every week to hear how it is going.
Awesome TV. It was also nice to see that this video was in HDR. I could totally understand what you meant about the brightness and how sometimes it can make you squint. When using a laptop with 1100 nits in a dark room when watching a movie or video, sometimes it does just pop out of nowhere and make you react. Also the first few minutes when you had the TV showing off content it was blasting the brightness on my end as well. Awesome experience and great content as always!
Couple of things about this TV: 1) The tuner supports only the China specific DTMB broadcast standard 2) It can operate at 100 to 120 or 220 to 240 volts, so no voltage converter is needed
Yea, if you calc by diagonal inch the 98" sounds better... but if you calc by area... the story is slightly different. (I'll assume both are 16:9) 98" = 26475.99cm² = 0.30216 USD/cm² 115" = 36458.24 cm² = 0.30171 USD/cm²
And the price of TCL one is after tax, in BC its 12%
Exactly, if you consider the difference between 43 and 55 inch for example you're getting almost double screen real estate for 8 inches more.
Linus is the kind of guy who orders two 20" pizzas, because they are cheaper than one 40" pizza. Screens are not a diagonal line, screens are a surface. Compare the screens surface area LTT. Common sense, please.
It's extra funny because he was literally explaining in the unboxing vid, how the diagonal doesn't translate to a lineair area increase.
I genuinely think this is the best color graded HDR video you guys have put out. Some of the earlier ones I wasn’t too keen on. But this? This is good stuff.
Agreed
Yes
The noise in these HDR videos make them pretty much unwatchable. Is it only me? I'm watching on the LG C1.
Turns out this happens when the TV's HDR mode is turned on.
@@Dwyane1stI don’t have any noise. Might just be that unit. I have a QN90A. Sorry man!
Giving updates on how its going after a few months is great. Thanks Linus
I love the fact he was playing Crosscode in one of the clips. Underrated game, I love it.
A dead pixel, even at that scale, is like “a splinter in your mind… driving you mad.”
Only if you let it be.. However... COMPENSATOR SETUP!!!!
Holy crap, the video quality is better than some stuff on netflix and prime, hats of.
Yep the video was really well shot and edited, and furthermore well mastered for HDR which definitely makes it easier to see what's being talked about.
@@mataskart9894 I saw the hdr button, but i wasn´t shure what to make of it, as we all know yt does not care that much about HDR, but daaaaaaaaammn.
Insane is an understatement. Wow. Amazing video quality when filming something difficult like a TV. I had wondered how large each of those split screen Mario Kart windows were but you mentioned it. Nuts!
I like that he's giving tips on what settings to use to that one other person who bought it. What a nice guy
Hahaha, that Mario Kart split screen is amazing. We were already making jokes about our "normal" big TVs giving us the same amount of screen for each player compared to what we had in the 90s, but with this one each player has the same amount of screen as people usually have for the whole game compared to other TVs we have NOW.
I had a stuck pixel on my first flat panel 1080p tv back in 2012. It was too much of a hassel to box up a 55" tv and drive 2 hours back to Best Buy. I can't imagine the hassel of getting this from China, installing it, and having this ruin your experience. The first video kicked me over the edge to get a 42" Sony Oled for myself. It should show up today. Thanks LLT for keeping my pockets empty. 😂
The sad part is, if he was actually in China then those "white glove" people probably would have swapped it out under warranty without him having to do anything other than call it in. That's service most of us can only dream of in the US. My $700 LG monitor had a power issue while under warranty and I had to box it back up and ship it across the country for service, I guess LG technicians only live in CA, not NY. Provided, the shipping label was free but now I'm without it for at least 2 weeks. If I didn't have a secondary monitor then I would have pretty much been without my PC for that amount of time. I would much rather have brought it to a local repair shop or had a tech come out.
@@madmatt2024 That's because a guy in China makes 2$ an hour while a guy in the US makes 20$ doing this and the company employing him has also huge costs. The cost factor for someone in the us picking this up and replacing this is magnitudes higher
@@stiffeificationTV wouldnt cost 13k either if sold in the west
@@stiffeification That's still not a good excuse. If a company has good design and quality control then warranty issues will be few and far between. If they have to send someone out to repair or replace a defective product, then they should eat the cost or simply factor it into everything they sell.
You lived 2 hours away from a Best Buy?
Great job presenting both the pros and cons. It's an expensive piece of tech, but your analysis provides a thorough understanding of why.
I loved the two series of videos on this TV!!!
If only there was better infrastructure for these types of TV's in America. I love the HDR content. There is a noticeable difference especially with you guys doing reviews on TV's and other content.
yeah, same her in EU. Hopefully this will come to us next year. At the moment i'm really torn between going 98" TV or 140" projector. the latter has the huge problem that a great projector screen beyond 120" costs an arm & a leg. the former is really cheap at 2000€ including VAT.
I hate this HDR. no option to turn it off and the video just looks super dim in my phone. I have a 2 year old 600$ HDR phone(sorry I can't buy this years 2000$ phones I'm poor, my bad) so maybe its the youtube app? Even if it worked correctly I don't like HDR. I use the "keep volume at the same level" for my songs and playlists, and I want the same for my videos, and HDR is the opposite of that. I will either win the lottery or stop watching your videos just like the last time LTT tried to push HDR only videos.
@@primusolaris7821 surry but that is pure a problem with your phone or the youtube app. Also seems you don't know what HDR is based on your comparison. HDR is simply bigger range of values that the video can contain. Not how bright it will be on your display. Also 2000 usd phone? where?
I agree, Seeing the number KZheadrs doing a DOA unboxing after ordering "Heavy" objects that are fragile due to their weight, Made in the USA to the US customer and not making it, using internal shipping companies. PC builders, for one, don't want a DOA and have multiple shipping, so use a wooden crates to try and get it to its destination without the extra costs, draining their profit due to a shipping employees 'Not my stuff' attitude.
@@primusolaris7821 it's crazy there's no option to turn it off in the video playback settings because you're absolutely right that HDR content is not suitable for when you're watching in bed and stuff. Not all devices that on-paper support the standard display it properly on more affordable devices, which is why you're having a bad experience with it too. One thing you might try is if your phone has a low power mode, toggle it on before you watch the video - this might (but I've not tried) turn off HDR. Until KZhead adds a toggle in the playback settings, it's gonna be workarounds like that you should look into. I can't think of any more off the top of my head but Google might help.
I know it’s not the same thing but some of those early points are why I went for a “lesser but bigger” tv. 75 inches floods my little tv room with so much light it hurts my eyes sometimes. It’s awesome.
@@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist_ Glad I wasn't there in Genesis 1, a god suddenly turning on the 34 octillion inch OLED display would be really bright on the eyes.
meaning you went for lower specs, but as big as you could afford/fit?
@perplexedon9834 probably why he waited a few days. Wanted to make sure stuff cooled down
I guess LCD 75" instead of OLED 55/65"@@jflartner117
@@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist_No one is going to be converted by you quoting scripture. That's a terrible way to try to bring people into the fold
Did TCL just announce this TV for North America market? 115QM89
ah yes, fellow CNET viewer/CES refresher. Once I saw the title I went "oh shit, that's Linus' TV"
Seems like aside from the lack of MLA (because LG has a patent for that in the US that doesn’t expire until 2025), it’s the exact same TV.
An underrated feature of these giant bright TVs I didn't expect is that they basically make their own bias lighting reflecting off the walls and ceiling. Somehow the 77" G3 is more comfortable to watch than my smaller and dimmer TCL in the bedroom, at least in a dark room. Sitting closer just doesn't compare.
Wow, I don’t know what kinda editing magic y’all did to make the HDR of the TV actually come through with KZhead compression, but I can actually tell that the TV gets insanely bright.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M You do know that most people aren't watching this on an HDR monitor, right?
@@Yay295most people watch youtube on mobile, and most of those screens support HDR
Plenty of phones have HDR displays @@Yay295
@@dragonicbladex7574 the kid seems to be very confused... it's not possible get the benefits of HDR on a SDR only display obviously (unless they meant you can watch still watch a HDR video, but of course it will not have any of the HDR aspects)
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M If your phone has HDR, the KZhead app is definitely using it here.
The HDR in some of these videos are truly amazing.
First yes
Definately not. Just makes the video almost unwatchably dark.
AVGCLL is good, so is visibility. It's your screen's issues, not their grading.
@@unicodefox works perfectly on my oled based mobile devices
HDR seems broke on KZhead as you constantly need to have the brightness set to max on phones which kills watching anything in a darker room at night.
Used to work in a Sony Centre and largest TV we sold was a 70" SXRD Rear Projection and that thing was a balls to deliver and install. Weight wasn't the problem. It's the physical size of the box and being rear projection it was a fat boi too. Like when you get to the point where scratching the customers ceiling when lifting the top of the box clear is an actual concern. There's also the extra fun experience of arriving at customers house, seeing the room they want it in and have the thought of "well feck, this plum bag really wasn't listening when we said 70" TV on a big, open shop floor looks smaller than it actually is"😂
75 дюймов не так уж и много! У меня Стоит в комнате 6 на 6 метров и кажется маленьким. Хотел купить 98, но увидел 115 и все, теперь моя мечта 115 дюймов 😊
now thats what I needed for those split screen 1v1's back in the day with my cousin. You'd have to look into a new time zone just to screen-peek
I'm impressed, it seems your editors finally figured out how to do a proper HDR grade that doesn't have an annoyingly high APL.
meanwhile me watching this on an iphone se 🤓
Apl?
@@Fridelain Perhaps "Average Picture Level", so brightness?
@@sebaarnio Alpaca Police Legion maybe?
Yes @@Bassalicious
Honestly I agree, the price is totally reasonable. In terms of $/area it's fairly competitive.
My TV is 85 inch, cost 2gs
except China doesn't have same salaries. American $200 TV is probably 50 in China
@@MrPaxiothis also isn't a Chinese review for the Chinese market
@@AndrewGlitchMasterBalaschak but they used chinese MSRP?
That's Chinese MSRP. It would cost far more in the Western market.
The editor little "dig" at Linus. Chef Kiss.
I kinda dig the 1 on 1 vibe with linus style this had, a nice change from constant group memes and gags of every other video.
Thank you for a fantastic video. It was nice to see you and your family all snuggled together watching this beast of a TV. I hope TCL brings a 100" version of this for a lot less to the U.S.
17:17 The TCL and Samsung are actually almost identical cost at about $1.95 per square inch. A 115 inch diagonal is 5651 square inches area and a 98 inch diagonal is 4104 square inches area.
They still haven't improved with the numbers. This was so basic. Still missed it.
They did it per DIAGONAL inch
That's Chinese MSRP. It would cost far more in the Western market.
@@avishjha4030 cost of inch squere might be better, but pepole mosty think in diagonal inches... Lets not act that it was a mistake and we should shame ltt fot it.
@@wikpil Yea, but in terms of manufacturing cost, you would look at surface area, which was the context of the segment. So a bit of a flaw, but not egregious and easily made. Most don't understand how the diagonal size actually scales the overall width and height.
the HDR on this video looks amazing, watching Linus talk with the super bright TV in the back looks so good
0:42 Great timing with the fireworks 😂😂
I really appreciate Linus helping us viewers weigh the pros and cons of this TV that NO-ONE CAN BUY EVEN IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT.
Obviously you can buy it if you can afford it, otherwise ltt wouldn't have one. If you can afford 11k for a TV, it's likely you can afford the shipping cost from China. You can afford the customs tax that it'll have. You can afford to hire someone in China to buy the tv for you, set up a phone number for you to use, and be the person the TV is originally shipped to. People with real money will go through that hassle. However, people who have to make a decision as to whether or not to spend an extra 5k or so in extra cost can't really afford a 11k TV in the first place.
@@MrCodyminner and LTT also likely has viewers from china, so for them it's a completely different deal as well.
@@TehkezahThey've got a Chinese channel on bilibili so
@@TehkezahForget viewers, they have an entire team of paid translators who publish their videos in China! Also, certain people on the channel are of Chinese descent (incl. Linus's wife), so they must have relatives who live over there.
The technology used here can trickle down into more budget-friendly options in the future. This is like peeking into what will be coming next. Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean the technology isn't cool. It is cool, and I am glad they are talking about it.
loving the content. keeps my head up, now that i have to celebrate new years alone. keep up the good work
I like the HDR feel to this video, please keep adding this feature to your videos 😊
I just love that audio reference in 2:47
THIS LOOKS AMAZING TO WATCH IN HDR YALL GOTTA DO THIS MORE OFTEN
real
I have a Samsung QLED 85" It really has me not wanting to go to the theater as the picture quality is insane. I've never seen Encanto, but watching these last videos you put out, has me wanting to test my TV with it. I lucked out and got my TV for free, as it was a sports room tv that was bad, but bad was not turning on all the time due to the something loose in the backlight, but so far, a good smack on the back in the right spot. I've only had to do this maybe three times since getting it going 8 months ago
Encanto was the first film I watched on my MacBook when I got it and the first think I watched on my Oled TV when I got that too. Perfect film to highlight how good a screen can be these days.
thats funny, my samsung has the same issue but its a small TV
A lot of Samsung TVs have that problem. My 49"QLED TV in the faimly room has a similar problem. Unplugging it, waiting for a few seconds then replugging it in. Then it turns on.
Watch super Mario as well. Looks great on oled
I can see these eventually making it stateside and owning one in the future. I will be adding to things to own in the future. Thanks for showing this bad boy off. It's going on my wish list.
I've heard that you can use TCL's built-in engineering mode to solve some of the problems linus talks about, and also it looks like this TV will be available in North America in 2024
HDR is such a difference. Hope LTT starts using more HDR in its videos
Im not up to date on the current state of things but atleast in the past KZheads HDR has been genrally regarded as "borked"
Especially the wider colour gamut.
I think LTT has tried this years ago, and yeah… it was “borked” like @alexphelps7042 said, that they reverted to SDR again.
so much extra work, for youtube to bung it up, i think they've done some hrd vids before, but it's generally not worth it, afaik.
Hopefully only in vids that contain examples of HDR content (and that's part of the topic of discussion). It's nice to have the effect properly demonstrated, but I find it distracting for normal vids.
Loved the picture quality of this video with the HDR it really had the colours pop on the TV
I still cannot get over how amazing this TV is! It's like a movie theater at home but way better! You can tell its a great product by how excited Linus is! As someone who has had a TCL TV for 10 plus years this is such a cool piece of tech coming from them!
You can finally watch Zack Snyder films in 5000 nits🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wow that TV is amazing! One of the only advantages left for a projection system is acoustically transparent screens with all your front speakers and subs behind a baffle wall. It’s really hard to beat that kind of sound stage.
I dunno my center speaker is just under my 85 inch and honestly I cannot tell that my soundstage is below my screen 95% of the time. I'm too immersed in what I'm watching to actually notice or be distracted by it.
@@hyperactivetendencies7054 It probably sounds great, but I have three identical 4ft tall tower speakers behind my 128” acoustically transparent screen. Before that I had a regular timbre matching center that was smaller but could go under a TV and I can very much tell the difference when I switched to the matching tower for the center.
This thing is a good use case for Rollable screens, even if it doesn't unroll on its own like the LG one, if they could ship it on a roll and you unroll it at home and mount the supports (that would need to include) it could be a game changer for shipping TVs not only of this extreme size but even for the typical 40 to 65 inches TVs most people can afford, this could be potentially be a big deal for shipping costs. Of course, then you need to come up with ways of making the mounting and support foolproof but maybe it would be worth it (as long as flexible screens can compete with regular screens in price and features).
i dont foresee rollable screens ever being mainstream in the consumer market, at least not in sub 70" sizes. the cost vs performance will never compare to rigid displays. the backlighting alone limits that possibility. i could see them making 100"+ attainable for the average person, assuming they have the space for one, but in the current mainstream sizes the trade-offs arent likely to attract too many people beyond those buying the gimmick. by time the tech gets cheap enough for sale on that scale, the tech in rigid screens will be even cheaper, and probably better. the only way i see rollup screens becoming mainstream is in education or business environments. replace projectors in classrooms or offices with pull-down touchscreens is a major use case imo.
@@dippst I might have been too optimistic mentioning 40-65 inch TVs but there's a possibility that in the 70- 85 (and beyond) sizes, a rollable Oled TV could become just as attainable or even cheaper than the regular ones, part of it is that the manufacturer would have a pretty good reason to develop them just for the simplicity and savings on shipping and yes, oleds are less bright than LCDs but they're getting brighter and for some use cases like a theatre room or even just a semi dark room it still has the big advantages oled brings to the table. Other possibility is the route Samsung took with their microled panels like those in "The Wall" but the price of that panel is so high that unless Samsung can bring the price way way down, a rollable oled has a bigger chance to get into the mainstream.
@@walkinmn i dont doubt we'll see small(ish) roll tvs (we need a better term for those lol), i just dont see them going mainstream. foldable and multi-panel seem more viable. seamless multi-panel makes more sense to me. imagine, a 5" diag panel that can be arranged into any aspect ratio and in limitless quantities. pick the ppi for your target resolution and size, and if you have a dead pixel, swap out that one panel rather than trashing the whole 60+" screen. plus you could adjust the size as you see fit. foldable tvs would make 95" and larger way easier to transport because you wouldn't need to accommodate a 7+ foot long base. with one fold on each axis, you'd package a 95" tv in a box the same vertical and horizontal size as a 50", just a bit deeper. a 65" would fit in the box of a large microwave.
TLC is releasing this to North America later this year per CES
I enjoy just to listen how excited he is. 😄
I would like to hear more about the sound system. Yeah external speakers are the way to go. But a panel that big might sound interesting resonating internally.
Maybe if they thump the bass heavy enough, it'll bring the dead pixel back, lmao
I really wish you guys talked about the built in audio. I saw in the unboxing that it appeared to have a built-in subwoofer. The only other TV I recall doing that to that level was Bose back in 2012. Sure, a user would use speakers but, I would have liked to see what she could do.
They kinda did, it still is pretty easily beat by any decent external system.
Think about that. A subwoofer is for low frequencies and low frequencies require a larger speaker to move more air. In a thin TV where space is very limited, bass will never be that good, it's simply not physically possible. And if it was possible to fit in a actual size woofer, imagine the vibration in the TV
I bought the Hisense 100u8k and it has a built in subwoofer.
@@markfehrle so do a lot of TVs and even laptops. But the point is, they are not capable of producing good quality low frequency audio due to the size of the speaker and cabinet inside the TV.
Honestly I don't understand why did they even bother with putting speakers into this tv at all. Like there's 0 chance someone buys this tv and doesn't have a home theater setup.
Would love to see a review of the RetroTink4K hooked up to a TV like this. Been thinking of getting one for my Samsung QN90B 65'' TV but I'm worried it won't hold up when upscaling on such a large TV, let alone a 155".
Look at those Monitors Unboxed response and overshoot charts. Color me impressed!
1 dead pixel isn't enough to trigger warranty anyways, the threshold is usually 3-4 dark or 2 bright if I remember correctly.
Depends on the TV or monitor. Cheap ones can be up to 5 but expensive ones, especially colour accurate mastering ones have zero dead pixel warranties
2:34 my friends in the second row don't have to worry about the quality of my TV, because I don't have any friends and I don't have a second row of seats in my theater room, as I have no theater room to put a second row of seats in, lol
3:21 I see you, editor. Good to have a vote from the common man. ✊
It was fun to see Linus excited. I have missed it.
About static metadata & Dynamic Tone mapping, it's more complicated than that Linus. As a colorist, I can tell you that static HDR metadata will always be wrongly interpreted by the monitor, even if it is capable of delivering the correct luminance nit peak (let's say 1000nits for example). That's why I always work my grading with correct "HDR Tonemap Clipping" set with the max white peak nits value when working on a clean feed external television panels such as Panasonic Oled Series instead of letting the television do its own "thing" (this is why this option exists). Dynamic HDR Effect is a feature that is capable of giving you a very accurate luminance tone mapping for HDR10 content and will be quite on par with Dolby Vision & HDR10+ on that matter by analyzing each frame in real time. Also, Dolby Vision is not what the general audience thinks it is... it's a great tool when it comes to work both HDR & SDR deliveries at the same time, giving you the possibility of working faster on various deliveries for Home & Cinema packages. "Dolby Vision HDR Color grading" does not exist, it's all about converting an HDR grading to various deliveries that could be slightly trimmed. Converting an SDR image to HDR on these panels is also something I won't recommand to enable. HDR color grading is a work of its own that will drastically change from one movie to another (Blade Runner 2049 VS John Wick 4). It's as bad as activating the IFC on 24p content and is not how the movie is supposed to be presented to the audience.
3:15 holy shit his kids grew up
I like how some of their videos in the past year or 2 have been in HDR. I wonder if they're testing the waters with select content, it'd be nice if more/all videos moved over to HDR.
LOL Caleb Denison (Digital Trends) has just posted a video of the TV at CES
13:40 this is a great opportunity to make a video repairing a dead pixel in a tv. 😊
Might be interesting to roll this out at possible future LAN events or LTX if / when it makes a return.
Always been a fan of LTT but you seemed to have upped your game with this video !! Which I didn’t think was possible .. Thank you this was brilliant
I have been waiting for an affordable 115+ inch TV. I have had a $5,000 120" Black Diamond Zero Edge screen for the past 7 years in my living room, swapping out Projectors every two years or so. Right now I have a JVC NZ8, which was $15,000 and I have been hoping to stretch out my time with it, or purchase one more before being able to purchase an affordable TV. This gets me excited.
I got a new TCL TV a couple months back and my experience has been very similar to yours. The deep blacks have surprised me, to the point that on long loading screens in games, I've been tempted to check to see if the TV was still on. Also, thankfully, my TV doesn't require a Chinese phhone number and runs Google TV.
This being available in 4K HDR looks amazing!
18:04 that ad HOLY... best ever XDDD
I like the new HDR video content from ltt, good job!
I love the quality of the videos these days. Every since the change things are getting better. This is Peak Linus. Proud of you guys!
Every HDR mastered video you guys put out is a treat!
The HDR in this video is next level, finally some HDR content keep it up. Such a massive upgrade from SDR content
I was using a $600 decent projector with a 90" screen. I _hated_ the setup. Loved the size of the image, but routing cords and having the fan noise was just too annoying to me. Went to a 77" refurbished LG C2 and absolutely love the thing.
Like you I’ve been loooking for a a large format tv that is comparable to the OLEDs I’ve become accustom to. I’m getting the TCL 98” Q9, solves a lot of these issues, but an extra 17” diagonal is insane. You have my envy sir.
If you buy 4 of the 80 inch it will be same.
115 is the way to go, a nice heater for those colder basements too :).
sun tan lotion at the ready. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gee Linus I learned so much watching the 2 videos of the gigantic TV. I especially am grateful of the explanation on watching certain tv’s love your channel bro if you ever need a hand 🖐️ let me know!! 😂
On an unrelated note, Linus' kids have gotten so big! I remember when his son was like 2-3 years old and helping him build a PC in their warehouse.
Great video, Linus! I'd love if you guys could do a comparison to HiSense's new U8K line. They have a $5000 100" Mini-LED display that also seems like a great value if you don't want to use a projector. It doesn't have quite the same brightness or dimming zones that the TCL has, but I'd still be interested to see what you and the Labs think.
Plus a 100in 8k tv is four times the pixels of a 4k tv, which is even more upscaling to do as the tv needs to fill in 8 out every 9 pixels to make it look proper
@@jackhemsworth7515 U8K is the product line not the resolution I'm afraid.
I just setup the 65” one and it’s very nice. Definitely worth the money.
@@jackhemsworth7515the hisense is 4k not 8K Only the name has 8k in it
This video really deserved the HDR treatment, it really gave a better idea of the capabilities of this display
How does this TV compare to the 85 inch TCL QM8? I did some testing and when watching Star Wars movies on the Disney Plus built-in app, my results were that the blooming was really bad, it had what looked like missing stars, and couldn't nearly see as many image details on Dolby Vision Bright when compared to a sony full array tv.
I'd still like to see how it handles composite video such as an old VHS 📼 tape or an NES (or the like).
7:45 You recommend those settings to who if you are the only one in this world to have this TV ?😂
Linus on extreme tech upgrades with employees: look! This 2$ sticker is stolen from office this the logistics tag Also linus: I’m keeping this 115” 11k+ TV with the logistics tag.
Yeah, but what are they going to do, fire him?
I'm betting he is going to pay for it, probably mainly because the accountants would hassle him lol
@@Greg1096 I'm not sure that the accounts care that much about something that's not even a fraction of LTT's expenses
He and his wife own the company. Legally, i’s just a matter of whether they can expense it on their taxes since the company taxes roll up to their individual taxes. And he stated in the video that he’s no longer going to expense it.
He pays fornit
TCL's C series is also deeply underrated. I have the 55C805 and it's truly wow for the price, OLED like after a few tweaks.
I have a 55C835, got it last year for ~$600. I have absolutely no idea why nobody is buying these and everybody is so fixated on OLED
@@DavidFregoliexactly! a few settings from youtube videos and it looks great tbh
I love my 85 inch TCL QM8 can’t imagine the size of the TV you just got. and the backlit remote is phenomenal. Hisense band is supposedly releasing very large TVs this year.
That's my goal TV. Hopefully it comes down in price 😢
@@RjTheTrigun I saw the TCL QM8 85” for $1800 on New Years Eve
@@samirshah5411 no way 🤯