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Jerry: "I've got an idea. What if we ran around on a field and tried to kill each other like they did back in olden times but we add a ball to the equation?" Everyone: "BRILLIANT!!!"
What's your point exactly?
Calcio storico I think
Will there be beer?
Mate we have a set of rules in rugby so fuck off if you look back at football in the Tudor era that’s was fucking manic
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"soccer is a gentleman's game played by hooligans, while Rugby is a hooligans game played by Gentlemen".... My first Rugby coach at secondary school 1971........thank you Mr Whittle and I've never forgotten your words
My first coach's words as well. He was a damned Welshman, but if the Welsh can be gentled, there is hope for all of us.
My observation of Premier League football(soccer) is that a gifted player having developed ball skills at the top, gone through the rigors of the minor leagues, now making seven figures a year to play “The Beautiful Game”, then becomes a master at taking a dive in the penalty area. Long live Union Rugby!
Soccer or football isn’t really played by hooligans. Some of their fans surely are. The old flop when they’ve barely been contacted is the worst. I’d give them a yellow card.
Other way round mate
cricket is played by gentlemen. rugby is far from a sport played by gentlemen
As an American football player I have massive respect for these guys. They never stop running and they lay down some hits. Great video. Awesome athletes 👏
Definitely not a sport for the modern day beta male
Hey Steve! There's men's, women's, college, high school an Pro Rugby Clubs all over the USA. They're not hard to find! Diff division 1,2,3 an college also. You just join the club. You pay dues an go practice an play rugby home and away. Every player gets a game on game day. A side plays visiting A side, B side plays B side, C side plays C side, you always get a game! After matches the home team feeds an kegs the visiting team. You play away the same team in a season. Very organized sport. If your to old it's open to public to attend games. The average age of men playing 30yrs old! Ask Google who the men's rugby clubs in your city area. Simple as that. You have the same hitting, passing, tackling an scoreing just like the video you just watched. I played for 25 yes all over the US an Canada too! You'll be trained an taught the game! HORAAAA!🏉😎
@Djcheb Oxbrbwi Well hell! Rugby has always out done football! American football fans watch more commercials than they get to watch football. Football is one big expensive commercial!🤣 The US government has blocked rugby in the US since day one! Rugby players are Marines and football players are just infantry! That's no SHIT!😝✌️
@@douggarrett5288 for americans.
American football is just a big business. They use up the players to sell merchandise and TV ads. As far as fun to watch? I'll give it to rugby all day. Rugby dosen't stop. I think the TV executives here, like the forced ad breaks all thru the game. The stop and start nature of football beats out rugby for ad revenue. I was lucky enough to play a little rugby when I was younger. I barfed in my first rugby practice lol. The best explanation for the difference between rugby and football I heard was "rugby is a contact sport and football is an impact sport". In rugby your typical tackle was less aggressive (not that people don't get destroyed). I was taught to put my head on the outside of the hips rather than across the hips (so you don't get your head crushed) and just bring them down. A rugby match is long, with few breaks. It's a marathon. In football, the goal is to hit them so hard their family dies. Every yard counts You want to drive runners back, and flatten the quarterback before he throws. A play takes 4 to 10 seconds, and a team that can execute plays correctly is almost unstoppable. Football is a sprint. Anyway that's my humble opinion from the perspective of a defensive lineman and a shitty forward with no wind. Lol
I started playing in 1981 aged 10 til I was 44. Best times of my life. Could write a book of on and off field shenanigans. All the old injuries coming back to haunt me, but do you know what? I wouldn't have changed a thing! 😆 Love watching the old games.
Wow... Mad respect for you. I believe rugby players are the best in terms of athletic performances as they incorporate... heck, EVERYTHING: strength, power, agility, some flexibility (in my opinion), velocity, acceleration, endurance, grit, resistance... What else am I missing?? Just a question for you, IF you want to answer of course. Professional athletes are also known for lifetime injuries, even if some aren't that evident. Do you have any? And if so (i hope not for you!!), how do you deal with them?
@@rextransformation7418 Hey Rex. Thanks for the reply. Yep, clicky neck,lumpy ribs,snapped acl, fingers pointing the wrong way! And that was just amateur rugby. I'm a working man and just have to get on with it. No snowflakes growing up in the 70's🤣🤣
How old are you now?
@@pawelsawicki1750 Hi Pawel. I'm now 51 going on 71!🤣
I’m 21 now Been playing for a few years now. Would love to play until I’m an old boy. I’ve been Injured a few times. And I’ve accepted the fact that my body is gonna break down earlier than it should. But I know that I won’t trade the fun that I’m having now for anything.
Absolutely loved playing Wing forward & Hooker during this era. I have two wrecked rotator cuffs now, two bad knees, but have no regrets.
😂😂😂same here no regrets 2nd row neck and shoulder and knees gone i would play again if i could
No one cares
@@samuelanstee9167... about you.
The passing and the pace was so elite and on point compared to today by goodness...
Wing forward! You must be an old timer!
Seeing those long sleeve jerseys brings back some good old memories! Hotter than hell they were and weighed about 50 pounds at the end of a nice rainy match! Ahhh the good old days!
You are so right. And the collars and the purity of the traditional team colours without all the sponsors. I miss the elegance of amateur rugby.
Yea i put two on together when we turned up at a paddock that got wet on a high tide plus it was raining. Trying to get one of them off when they were both soaked through was a mission. I remember the weight well.
I remember having my jersey literally rucked off me in one abrasive match. The opposition pack were chanting 'shoe him' as they jumped all over us. My then girlfriend photographed the stud marks and weals on my back and ribs a day later. Impressive! I was a skinny No. 7, in the days when we were called 'wing forwards'.
My team usually only had one set. Subs just took the jersey from the player coming off. Wet from rain, sweat, and blood. We had no sponsors back then. Everything was out of your pocket. The camaraderie was infectious along with memories for a lifetime.
I remember reading the Australia forward Rex Mossop recalling a player punching him in the head. Rex did say however “but I was strangling him at the time”.
I loved playing rugby in this era, absolutely adored it. You didn’t need the referee to tell you not to lie on the ball the opposition let you know.
I would come off of the pitch with boot marks all over my back. It was a beautiful game back then. I loved every minute that I played.
Ruby today could simply not be run like that. The impacts and physicality is so high today because of the amount of steroids' and enhancements being used that it would lead to an absolute blood bath.
I loved it too!!! Played for about 20 years, starting back in the early 1980s....of course, my body is paying the price for it a million years later....lol
@@bighands69 Rubbish!
@@mikeminno5956 Every sport today is riddled with steroids' and other substances. Rugby players are far larger today and perform unrealistically for their size. Only people in denial would think that not to be the case.
Showing the late, great Jonah Lomu steamrolling his opposition and tagging this as hooliganism is a blatant crime against humanity...RIP Big Man.
You need to cool off, nobody in this video has done anything wrong.
RIP
Lomu was targeted in SA and injured very badly by SA thugs they offered 200 prize to anybody who could stop him
@@Dodiwho1 South Africa is the only Country Lomu did not score against. SO it worked!
The 'era' of hooligans. Doesn't mean everyone in it was a hooligan.
Damn I didn't realize how much I missed all the stamping and raking in the rucks. Those old school scrums were CRAZY too, well ahead of the "crouch touch pause engage" days. The 20lb jerseys soaked in sweat rain and mud, no pad vest or scrum caps, just some ear tape! Truely a hooligans game played by gentlemen! Rugby is not a social disease!
You forgot the vass
I’m a American so I don’t know a lot about rugby but this reminds me of a game we played on the school yard back in the 1960s called Kill The Man With The Ball. One kid would pick up the ball and run and all the rest of the kids would chase and tackle him and pile on until the ball popped out, maybe 30 kids.And the whole thing started over.
Hahahaha
Played something similar with the boys brigade. Murder ball!
@@kirkyrugby Used to play Murderball at the end of PE at school. It was savage.
In 19 70's vernacular, we called it "Smear the Qu33r" . And played every lunch. Nobody complained, very few fights and we all learned chicks dig scars.
I never understood why in American football, they played for a small coin. Everyone was shouting 'get the quarter back'.
when I played, the late 70s- early 80s, Tighthead prop, you always brought your opposite number a pint, what happened on the pitch stayed on the pitch. great days.
Ah, the good old days of unregulated head-highs, permissible spear tackles and all-in punch ups. Tears of nostalgia!!
Amen brother
I love when my favorite players are seriously injured and retire at 27!
@@einsatzgruppen449 You're ignoring his valid point
@@toftb6607 So,back then who were the players you refer to?The size of the players back then meant you could get away with this sort of stuff,also most of the clips were from the amateur days when you freely accepted getting stamped on at the bottom of the ruck.
It wasn't as dangerous a game as today , fact.
Although rugby hasn't deteriorated as a spectacle as much as football, the difference between unconstructed, open rugby that wasn't stopped every 30 seconds, and the modern rigid, formulaic stuff that has been coached to death, is clear to see. Love to see these clips of rugby in the 'good old days'.
Totally agree.
That is so true , the game is awful to watch now ,the RFU has ruined it
I think football has improved dramatically as a spectacle compared to the 70's and 80's. And like rugby now, it is a lot more physical. Just not as dirty. I love watching the old days but the spectacle is much better today. And I am an old guy.
@@thierrylestranger2795 not sure you’re right about rugby, but soccer yes is better today. But I don’t watch either anymore. One gets connected to the players you know and when they go everything else does too.
@@Triple5live True. It's all about the emotional attachment.
Danie Gerber is one of the greatest centres to ever play the game. Way ahead of his time. He would have been a legend in any era
These guys left everything on the pitch. Kudos to the older generations for showing such seismic passion.
Rucking! High shots! Speartackles! What's not to love. This was commonplace even in high school rugby here in NZ. Loved this era of rugby. Note how much smaller and leaner the players are. Dont miss the massive ruck marks and cuts all over the body though. Just splash some water on. It' ll be right.
And scrums take 5 seconds.
As a South African I played wing at school and ran a 100m in 10,8 with my rugby boots on I weighed 65kg and was 1.72m short, for South African standards I was a toddler among my pears whom dint mind ploughing my back with their togs when ever they got a chance. Its only because I laughed out of glee at them everytime I side step them and score a try.
This was the rugby that I fell in love with and made me play for 10 years - I was very bad but I enjoyed it a lot -. I was a maniac
Yep, I don't often drive past my old rugby club field but when I do, I know I left a hell of a lot of blood on it, some of it mine.... Lol
The IRB, or as it now called World Rugby I think, has over the past several years, spent millions trying to speed up the game. Yet have succeeded in slowing it down. The first test between British Lions this year took well over 100 minutes to complete - for an 80 minute game. Hardly speeding up the game. I have followed rugby for some 60 years including watching the 1974 British Lions twice. The rugby was hard, uncompromising and breathtaking after which you swapped shirts, had a beer together and gained life long friends. All performed by brilliant amateurs
@@kenmarriott6816 Totally agree. I remember Barry John, the champagne rugby. Intensity, speed, toughness and sportiness. My rugby
@@danpastor7116 unfortunatley Barry John had retired by the time of 1974 tour. Not that Phil Bennet was a slouch. Garreth Edwards, Willie-John, JPR, JJ.......watched them all play Rhodesia and then the 4th test match in Joburg. After loving rugby for over 60 years, always a Springbok supporter, my interest is waning somewhat. People say the most important player is now the ref. I disagree. It's the rules. After 60 years one would think that I know the rules? Nope
@@kenmarriott6816 Yes. Now, what is the reason for a scrum? All are executed with advantage in the introduction. The distance of 10 meters from the three-quarter lines in a scrum, I do not know if it exists, is minor or it is simply not punishable. Difficult the game by hand, it is difficult to try line. Less game speed, less eye-catching. I'm always Wales supporter, but i'm for Barcelona
Rugby players when I grew up had beer guts. Were out fighting on weekend . Worked on a building site. Didn't train but were maniacs. I was a doorman in the 90s we were always fighting them. Proper lunatics. They are all polished and chiselled athletes now. That's cool . But its morphed into a different sport. They are not as rugged and tough as they once were
They're not as yobish as they used to be sure.But ironically enough these 'real men( thugs)' wouldnt live with today's clean cut gentlemen.In fact they would be lucky to last 20 mins.
@@randybackgammon890 no your probably right . Things move on . Traning , diet ,etc. But still the old school were fun times
lived seein those ball guts get aired out after 💪 blowin brew 🤮 with fist buried under the belly button : my ol man always went low … hearin old 🐂 bark grunts 👊🏼 ! beefy arse softened up my better man … ugly players makin each other uglier after win / loss
7:36 that is how i broke my collar bone and had to retire from rugby (still have the screws in there to keep it together)
This isn't hooliganry, the part about old school players being maniacs is accurate, but a lot of these are actually surprisingly legal
Not hooligans but legal maniacs. Thanks for the correction.
Spot on. Lie across the base of the opposition ruck and suffer the consequences
it is clickbait... but the violence in this sport is insane .... softies like me who do not want to hurt anybody or get hurt or bleed better continue playing tennis.... 🤣
The never should have taken rucking from the game! If you were a forward and didn’t come off the field with rake marks you had some explaining to do
Repent to Jesus Christ ““Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.” Matthew 7:24 NIV ht
lol the way New Zealand went into that scrum was like two bulls ramming kops
Lol
Which part?
Not only NZL -we all did it like that . Form scrums meter or even two apart- then run it in.
"The era of rugby hooligans" nah brother, the era of real men. When the sport was actually fun to both watch and play
Old school rugby player: snaps neck. Also old school rugby player: pick a fight with the dude who snapped his neck.
And after the final whistle us kids at Kings Park (Durban, SA) would run onto the field tripping each other and causing all kinds of mayhem too. Staying true to our SA roots.
Racist saffas
😂😂We used to do that at Loftus...great fun
Still do that bruh
Hooligans?? Nothing here but good, hard old school rugby
I wanted to comment same, you beat me to it! no hooligans or maniacs just good rugby.
Indeed you are correct sir. Makes me want to grab a pint and watch it over again!
Believe the headline was ironically pointing out how it's viewed today and the true nature of the game then.
@@ComboMuster some woke twats channel probably
I tend to agree - although the South Africans really toe the line between the 2.
Jonah Lomu was an absolute beast. Loved watching him play. A juggernaut.
I saw London Welsh in 1968 play Club thats Blackheath in Club home game with an arm and shoulder strapped up. It was second half and he completed the game. The Mercury newspaper reported later the injury was a broken collar bone! Really hard men Rugby in the 60s
That pass was just insane 04:53
Rugby player shown smoking on cover picture is Olivier Saisset, once flanker for France. He was the first flanker in international rugby to complete "scrum outside rotation". This follows strike to channel 1, and flanker needs lots of skill to control the ball. Olivier started 17 tests for France. He coached me for a short period, real man.
We had a prop for the Wallabies, Stan Pilecki. He'd have his smoke on the sideline
I remember being a teenager in the early 80s and obscure cable channels had rugby on and I was hooked. The ultimate contact sport of the time. Cheers to all those crazy bastards!🍻
that brought me back to high school rugby... ruthless and awesome. hope my back will let me play again someday before I'm too old to run.
Loved all the lovin both teams gave each other when there was no lifting in the line outs. I can't count the number of black keyes I gave out and received. Tremendous fun.
At 68 and still refereeing, I LOATHE lifting in the lineout. I am not that tall, but I could JUMP. We called it skill.
@@grahamturner97 The game is for TV. Makes it easier to ref. Constantly blowing for lifting made the game a mess. Also gave referees a chance to be totally biased.
What a brilliant try from the great Mike Slemen - a gentleman, a hard man, a rugby master and PE teacher who inspired every kid who was lucky enough to have been taught by him - RIP
damn - didnt know he passed
What attracted me to Slemen was that he would so often come off the opposite to augment the back line on the opposite side of the field. Never saw him miss a tackle and he was not a bulky man. Saw him in Leeds, might have been a place called Ottley once representing the North of England against the Blacks.
@@cardigan3000 Do you mean "passed the ball", or "died"? If the latter, then why not just say so?
@@j.e.d.5630 youre using someones death to make a petty semantic point?
I just can't stand the expressions "passed", or "passed away", or "passed over".
Brilliant compilation guys! Shoutout to all the OG Springbok fans! This gave me goosebumps! Much love🤙🏼
It was all forgotten at the final whistle, everybody shook hands, then both teams went down the pub and had a proper fight.
You almost got me there
seen em take turns out back : 2 by 2 … only one walk back in 👊🏼
I played rugby as a late teen and young adult in the early 1980s before the modern professional era. It was basically legalised street level violence. In my time I had a ruptured kidney, nearly broke my neck and got done over by an entire pack of forwards jumping on my head which left me so severely concussed I literally didn't know it was Saturday. I left the game when it took longer to get over injuries than the number of days between games. I played hooker and the plain fact was there were only 6 people on the pitch that knew what went on in the front row and that didn't include the referee.
Aye. I played in the mid-late 80s as a teen (flanker, mainly blind), and some of the 'games' we played the ball was a minor irritation interrupting the punching. We were good though, for our county (Sussex), and mostly went to the same school so got to practice together a lot in PE, and consequently we were a formidable school team in years 3, 4 and 5. Then some bright spark arranged a game against Aberystwyth and we got absolutely destroyed - Welsh youth rugby was a whole new level of hard. I packed it in at Colts level mainly because I discovered girls, and lying in bed with one of them on Sunday morning was infinitely more appealing than getting the proverbial kicked out of me by some braindead second row on a frost hardened field somewhere.
As a viewer I miss these days. As a former player, I don't miss it at all :'D
I think we've all forgotten how quick scrums were back in the day...
I watched rugby when I was 4 or 5 years old. When I was 7 we were allowed to play. I loved playing but hardly ever won. We were a very small school. Then came army and varsity and working club rugby. Hard days on the field but you make lots of good friends. Pity that injuries of 50 years ago is starting to trouble me. Rugby stays king!.
The days when you had to 'take it' and stay on because there weren't 8 men waiting on the bench!!!
Still only allowed 3 subs in amateur rugby
I was no great rugby player but played during an era where the ref often let players “sort it out” at the ruck. I’ll never forget our pack putting the boots to a guy that lay offside once to often. He looked at the ref, who just said there is nothing I can do for you if you keep that up. He stopped. Good times.
@@richardshortall5987 It's wasn't kicking. And it sorted things out quickly. I was on the receiving end more than once.
I remember playing halfback and the scrum collapsed three times in a row. Our flanker peels of the scrum and punches the opposition prop, hitting him a beuty in the jaw. "Stop fcking collapsing the scrum". Ref shrugs as if nothing happen, we reset the scrum and no dramas after that.
Rugby began as a way of determining the type of person who could handle the cauldron and still think clearly even though sore, dehydrated, just been told by the ref he was adopted, or approaching exhaustion. A perfect model for the young officers needed on the battlefields of the day. If a potential leader/team-builder wanted a game to test his capacity at that level this was his game - and there were only so many jobs on offer - taking out a potential rival was a career necessity. Side track: Rugby League began as a protest against paying the players and even more importantly compensating or providing assistance for those injured. At school level this was a responsibility of the institution and the parents. Club Rugby knew it was a personal journey and getting hurt was on the cards, and in a way, proof of concept. i.e. If you were vulnerable you weren't a suitable model. Thus the game had a culling element; brutal perhaps, but not unnecessary given the squalid nature of general society - we needed the tough bastards who could do anything. Rugby is now an entertainment and their welfare during play and into the future became a growing concern. The old guard still struggle with the necessary changes but what the governing bodies need to retain is the cauldron; the speed of mind, the skills, the exhilaration of unstructured play, the step, general play at a speed that occasionally bewilders. Rugby is currently losing that battle. The Lions tour showed how teams now slow the game down as much as possible and get away with it. They question the ref's decisions (some think they are allowed to talk to him, uh, no) and we have to put up with their running scrums and line outs, (if a team can't quickly line up properly for a set piece whistle them out of the game, send some off for a 10 minute re-education opportunity). We are seeing bigger players with gym bodies who would tear a cruciate if they tried to step (tactical replacement laws). The game was designed for normal bodies where brighter people could play a fast, furious team game to improve themselves, their career prospects and their society. Lose that emphasis and we will exit unnoticed from the back door.
I remember Gareth Chilcott as a commentator, remarking on some dirty play……..the look on the other commentators faces was priceless 😁
Ray Mordt was a beast...and Danie Gerber too (and he could step)
A lot of these aren't hooligans, they're just tough rugby players doing their job. Football players take note!
You can't compare barbarism to art.
@@vinlondon8904 By art do you mean the performing arts? Football players are absolute hollywood actors, Soft as butter..
@@chook_dog football is a tactical team sport with so much decision making, what is rugby? 😂just sparing each other and just running with ball in hand! Like you just need to be physically strong at this game, thats it
@@npn8945 Actually rugby is quite tactical and if you just run the ball you are just going to get tackled in rugby we pass ,kick ,run ,tackle and respect the referee unlike in soccer you guys just flop around the field like fish out of water and disrespect the referee . FOOTBALL PLAYERS PLAY WITH THEIR BALLS
@@npn8945 You do not need to be a buff meathead to play rugby and football players play with their balls
Holy shirt! Dudes flying in on a loose ball, head first, without helmets. That is some big brass ball stuff, yo. Having played American foozeball until the end of my senior year in high school, I can say that is risky business with a helmet on, but without a helmet y'all rugby players are hardcore
5:51 is absolutely one of the most disrespectfully skilled steps I've ever seen and I love it
Danie Gerber. South Africa vs Ireland.
Thrust vectoring was involved there.
The amount of concussions just shook off in this video is amazing
Mate yes, Christina Cullen copped an absolute beauty from that prop.
I like how scrums weren't really "set", they were called and then sort of emerged from play seamlessly with the forwards just coming together, grabbing one another, and rolling into it
Yeah iv never seen that looked cool lol
The best old school rugby compilation I have seen 8 pints after the game and all friends. Superb.
Best days of raw rugby, you can do anything on the field and its still a rugby game. Love it.
Danie Gerber and Ray Mordt, rugby world poorer not to have seen them more in international action!
Indeed. And Errol Tobias.
Would also poorer for the abhorrent apartheid policy which meant that all South African teams were banned for 20 or so years! So many talented players from all sports denied international appearances.
@@A-Tango Errol and Naas Botha would have been International legends!
@@A-Tango... yes he was sensational!
Not only Danie and Ray. The entire 1981 backline were great players and the world missed out on the best!
I sometimes see Ray Mordt today. For 64 he's built like a brick sh1thouse. Beast of a player
I love how in the first one when he pushes that guy off his team mate he turns around instantly knowing there will be guys coming after him. He knows it's coming.
Props for finding all this old footage!
Ese es el rugby que me formó en la década del '70, donde no existía el seguro " contra todo riesgo" como ahora. Muchos han terminado lisiados, amputados, fallecidos o con disminución para respirar en mi caso particular. Pero que hermoso era, jugar en esa época.
Как и я бивший спортсмен по гребле,теперь в мои 55 спинние грижи.
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0:48 Lomu just throwing away two tackles wth only one hand..epic Jonah.
This was totally awesome. Sick plays. Legendary.
Loved this video, keep it up, RIP Jonah. Watching this and then seeing a 'professional' soccer player trip on a blade of grass, rolling around on the ground crying with a career ending injury to miraculously recovering in seconds and humping his team mates leg when he scores is just pathetic.
Its a different sport get over it
Ah! the classic old days of rugby where the rules and laws of the game were much more simple...when a ruck was a ruck 😂😂 missed it 💯❤ and the scrum well it's another sport within the sport 😂😂😂😂. I am from Fiji 🇫🇯 and players I try to emulate than were Richard Low and Sean Fitzpatrick of the NZ 🇳🇿 All Blacks, they were tough blokes. Love rugby than still loving it now!! ✊✌
Richard Lowe was a mean cuss for sure.
You don't really see rolling mauls any more either - a great loss for rugby. Watching the All Blacks do this was beautiful!
And this was how we played. Hard, rough & rugg-ed
Rugby was invented when someone saw a massive pub brawl and thought "throw a ball in there"
My ankles hurt just looking at that old brown ball. One of them when it was sodden with water, like playing with a medicine ball.
Loved it. The days when you were lucky to get off the pitch with your kit still in one piece.
Amen indeed. You knew you were in a battle and you didn't want it to end.
I was reading an Americans comments about how tough their so called Football is. I shared this link to him, never heard from him again 😂😂.
I'm American, and I agree it's no comparison. I played Rugby a few times - it''s a tough lad's game for certain!
Hahahah....."tough" 😂😂😂 ...covering yourself in pads and a helmet is not tough. As well as oy playing for a few minutes of a game.
I don't care how much gear you're wearing, you're 200 lbs getting unloaded on by a 300+ guy is going to hurt. They are both rough sports. with different rules and objectives. If you have never played Amerucan tackle football, you shouldn't look.down your nose at it. like rugby because there is continuous play.
Little patience for self righteous moral hypocrites bet you've never played american football, or Aussie rules, one legal blindside hit without the ball and you'd crumble. At least in union and league you can see where the hits are coming from.
@@docgonzales I've played football and rugby. Not aussie rules. I don't know wtf your problem is. All I said was you can get hurt in American football just like you can in rugby. Because they wear pads in American football doesn't mean it's not rough.
The guys doing the 2 step on the opposite teams backs were hilarious! Just a super fast stomp stomp!
As an Aussie, seeing Big Johan giving the don't argue is both amazing and traumatising.
I was lucky (?) enough to play under the Laws of this era. A few points that I think are relevant - most of what you see wasn’t outside of the Laws - the punch ups clearly were - but my experience was that it was punches and you faced the man you were punching. Otherwise, it was cowardly and your mates let them know. (I remember one colleague complaining that he had been punched in the back of the head; another mate said “that’s because you were running away at the time” not true, but a good line) - rucking taught you very quickly not to be on the wrong side. Never hurt during the match but, after the adrenalin had gone, it certainly smarted. - lots of bad tackle technique shown. That was a main cause of injury during and after playing days - charging at the scrum. Again, perfectly within the Laws at the time but dangerous. If a man on either front row got his position slightly wrong - or wasn’t sufficiently ready as nobody waited for the Ref - that was dangerous. Turns out that I fractured a vertebrae in my neck; didn’t know it; went on playing for ever without realising it; it fused badly. Now I have neck issues - I wonder why. I bet charging at the scrum was a a good bet for how that happened. So, in my view, it is good that there is better coaching for better tackling; better management at the scrum; better refereeing (certainly in my amateur level) to make the game safer. I am thankful that, for a lot of the time, we didn’t have neutral linesman and, of course, no video. If we had had, I would have spent most of my time suspended; but then, I think many games would have ended up as a quasi-sevens with only the backs left.
Thanks a lot. really interesting.
Very interesting, thanks for commenting. I would also add the players fitness, a 70s scrum with current players over 115kg and zero fat would end up in nearly career finisher injuries.
@@MrStarfishPrime a good point about fitness. We used to think we were very fit for amateurs and maybe we were quite fit for amateurs but there is a whole world of difference between fitness for amateurs in the 70’s and fitness for professionals now. I think it was David Duckham who said that his level of fitness playing for England would have been acceptable now. Fitness and muscle bulk are two related points. Props are trained to have great muscle bulk for their job but wingers obviously receive different training.
@@MrStarfishPrime The game has to be tinkered with constantly to stop people either killing each other or breaking each other's neck. Humans will soon be 7 foot and 18 stone. How can this game carry on as normal?
@@theofarmmanager267 Amateurs train themselves. So when you get tired you stop. Pros are trained by others. You stop when they say so.
Oh Canada🇨🇦! That intro from the 95WC you wont see in the film Invictus. It was conveniently left out because the Boks were brutal towards the Canadians. Finally they had enough and fought back.
thanks for putting in such nice music
Started as a big, fast winger in the 90's ended up at lock and No 8 for the majority of my 22 years jumping in the line out, also a 100 meter sprinter etc etc (like many of my colleagues) playing before crouch, touch and stroke each other, I can say one thing.... played twice a week , trained twice a week, and that was before mi tea. Wednesday college first team and Saturday 1st team at various amazing Cup winning clubs. After playing on Wednesday at college in the day against teams like Milfield in the top division etc etc. Then riding my mountain bike (which weighed like a proper bike, mig welded frame, heavy) to go and train on Wednesday evening for the town after the brutal but fun day on the rugby pitch, for 26 miles Up and down hill, otherwise I would jepodise my chance for seletion on saturady which would be a cup game of course. No chance. UNFORTUNATLY FOR SOCIETY IN GENERAL, LIKE BIKES, ALL SPORT AND GENERAL CONDUCT AND BEHAVIOUR HAS BECOME LIGHTWEIGHT. I can honestly say my generation are the last of these type of men on the planet. We are almost an extinct species and should really be playing rugby on a preservation with commentary from David Attenborough. Those of us who are still alive know exactly what I am talking about... nowadays you get banned for saying something to your opposite number. Imagine trying to ban C.C./ Muhammed Ali for talking to his opposition during a boxing match. Ha ha. The world has gone mad. It is the same in boxing and all contact sports ... They say we were hooligans? No, real men at the age of 18 or 16 or in some cases 14 and 15 depending on upbringing and life experience) We never complained about not being paid enough. We never got paid in money those days. Paid with decent food and drink, there were perks, we would sometimes pay our fees for ties , socks and shirts etc.. Just an amazing education of being able to hold your drink, respect one another and putting your opposition in hospital was rewarded as it shoud be, normally with a pint from the injured player before he went to hospital (if it wasnt a case of the air ambulance etc etc or an unsettled dispute, But very rarely this!) We would often witness players with broken bones, or injuries buying drinks for the oposition player who broke their bones in a fair tackle. These days most men are still children at the age of 35. I stopped playing at 38, along side international players etc... the last game I took my boots to was against Spain and Portugal combined [Ibierian Champions team]... it was like watching the 3rd team back in college... what a shame. So glad I had the chance to follow the England team around Australia for the 2003 world Cup. That is how I like to remember Rugby. It still had some old boys at the top top level, world wide, all countries, set in beautiful stadiums. Cheap tickets at the gates. I miss real sport. Even watching it, car rally, yes not the same sport at all... Everything has been watered down with health and safety and psychological war fair, and subliminal marketing, technology has turned us all soft. Also, I hate it when people judge other sportsmen, calling them hooligans, especially when they are just clearing out a player on the ground, in a ruck, or hands on the ball on the ground, or offside but obstructive play... a good ref always supported such moves. Plus there is a lot of things which go on in a game of rugby only the players know about. Nothing wrong with it. You do the crime on the pitch ..... you get punished. It was the same rules for everyone. I do understand not everyone know the rules of the sport, if you dont know the rules please dont judge these amazing sportsmen. These days if someone "breaks the rules" (or a nail) on or off the pitch they get protected and wrapped up in cotton wool. The west is not what it was. Pussycats in comparison. That is for sure. It use to be wild out there. The wild west is not so wild anymore.That was the way we all liked it, otherwise you would not, or should not, play these contact sports. Long live the real men and women in this world. God bless you all. Thank you to all the rugby community, may you all live long and prosper. :-) P.s. Jonny Wilkinson put the final drop goal over the bar which won England the world cup in 2003 with a broken collar bone, and he is a No. 10! I saw him get absolutely hammered by HUGE Samoans in the game prior, most men wouldnt have even been able to play in the final after what I saw Samoa do to England in 2003. There were many broken bones cracking around the stadium, yet England still turned up for the final against Australia on the other side of the globe as if it were thier first game of the tournament. That year England played Georgia to start with, big huge physical players, followed by South Africa in Perth. I have never witnessed anything like it. In the final no-one even realised Jonny was injured at the time, and this is just considered normal in the sport at this time, only 20 years ago! There was no rolling around on the floor whist running your hands through your hair gel. Wow, how times change quickly these days, the crazy thing is we may have looked like hooligans on the pitch but we all had values and respect for each other off the pitch... these days, especially in football, it is the other way around. Sport has become as twisted as politics itself. A grand illusion. Rugby is still the only sport which has any essence of reality left in it and they are trying to take away what little it has left. It is a another crime against humanity but the powers that be do it slowly over a period of time so only people like "retired" rugby players notice...
indeed.. thanks for the lethal dose of manhood we forgot
Everything changed when the game became professional, and the Avg. Weight per player increased by 3 - 5 stone
Can't say for certain but maybe modern "medicine" has something to do with it.
@@peterh1353 Nah, not always. People on average are just bigger these days than 30-40 years ago. Nutrition has a lot to do with it.
This is one of the best videos I've seen of rugby. Great selection and editing. Too bad this modern gang music.
Wath is the name of the music in this video?
Muted good
@@tyrusgerlach wath is the name of the singer?
@@abc-iq3jl W A T H
Awesome to "re-live" the good old "bad" days of rugby. Watching this, one thing for sure is that, Danie Gerber and Ray Mordt were two of the very best !!
love the fights and the knockout runnings
1:31 the scrum set up is almost comical to today's standards. The ref stands meters away the front rows havent even bound properly and 1 2 3 the scrum is engaged 😂 the ref is not even begging them to keep the scrum up and straight the players sort it out themselves. I just miss those days.
When I started playing rugby in the late 50's, the two front rows would pile into each other then the second rows would join in and finally the back rows when they got there. The ball came in and was actually contested by the hookers. Today there are no hookers, just a third prop. As fir the scrum half putting the ball in straight!!!! More like rugby league every day!
metres
@@davejosey8569 ...and let's note that the current professionals who have time to train and perfect their craft, can't seem to keep the scrums from collapsing with regularity, and yet, Japanese women and their opponents, indeed, most women's teams seem not to have the same problem. I suggest the collapse of the scrum in the men's game is no accident and this is clearly move on from the printed Laws books of the early age that noted boldly that a scrum collapse is dangerous play and must be dealt with immediately and strongly by the referee. Sending off a back row player for the whole match even if it meant a "scrum" was left with just the "front five" would get someone's attention....quickly.
Modern gym work and nutrition has pushed player power to a point now that necks would be broken regularly without the technical focus in scrums. I miss the old days too, but 130kg mammoths with
@@Nizzleson Indeed, the size and training "to size" is much different....and that may be suggestive of the larger problem of a game ethic gone off the tracks. It would ( SHOULD) mean that collapsing the scrum is MORE of a danger, more cynical, far less "sporting" and yet where "back in the day" the scrum rarely collapsed ( partly due to its different role and partly due to the sporting ethos....I played for 19 years, many years in the scrum and the panic went right through the ranks when the scrum began or collapsed.....much like folks hollering "fire") and yet not much is made of such an "accident" now....and yet, as I've noted one can watch Japanese women ( I note them as they are relatively new to the sport) and the scrum never collapses regardless of opponents. ie it is not a tactic or a "macho" deal of "sending a message" or earning a cheap penalty. The game, lets remember this is supposed to be "sport"....has changed and not for the better. The Law books used to note that any infringement even with the Laws that in the view of the referee was calculated to harm or injure another player had to be immediately sanctioned. Today, despite the fact that as little as 4 years ago the Laws noted in italics it was required in a ruck to be bound to arm and hand not just by fingers, and yet the euphemistic "clean out" is a shoulder charge into an opponent near a ruck...the same shoulder charge NOT allowed in an attempt to tackle....opponent may be looking at or for the ball, but not necessarily in position to play it. This is lunacy. It approaches American gridiron football where fellows are padded ( and those pads used as weapons) where only 4 or 5 of 11 on an attacking side have any idea or need to where the ball is......The Laws that determine the game and how it is to be played, also predict what body types will succeed....ie Sumo wrestlers are not going to be riding in the Tour de France.
Using hooligan in the title is downright disrespectful to the legends of the game featured here
Totally agree
Did you not see the thuggery in the video? Hooligans be an understatement
I shall have you know that this is a hooligans game, played by gentlemen. Thank you very much!
And soccer is a game for gentlemen but played by thugs
Some clips are just talks?
I played Rugby back in the 80’s and kick boxed through the 90’s I always felt safer in the ring than I ever did on the field it was brutal.
Fond memories of Saturday Grandstand, Dickie Davies etc. Oh the rough "n" tumble of 70s rugby 🏉
CRAZY how fast some of these players were...
Nah not really they would've had no chance against today's players
@@lionbear3515 No for sure, people today are x10 agile and fast. Just interesting every time I see an old rugby game, that they had fast players.
@@josephvanwyk2088 ja but i reckon the gap between old and new is to big in rugby look at cricket guys back then could still bowl 145k and if you had to pit the two against each other i think it would be a Close match but if you did that in rugby i reckon the old era could get blown away.
@Cormack Cormack i am gonna have to disagree with your point mate, todays players are completely different from old era, players nowadays go to the gym, have good diets, are well conditioned. Even a Lomu would be easily stopped nowadays
@@lionbear3515 today players are not human ? but do u think your grandfather's and father diet was not good and they were not strong in Young age , i think they are much stronger then u internally because there work hard and eat whole food diet not artificial hard work {gym}and artificial diet{protein powder and storied }
A lot of those were legal tackles, I'm only 35 and we were taught to do worse when I was 14. I remember when they told us that we could stomp but not rake
i remember having to kneel on the field so the ref could check your tags
I knew to click on this video without hesitation! I grew up in the middle of the States with all my relatives being Aussie and British. I grew up playing Gridiron. Rugby 🏉 is beyond! A different game and Gridiron guys are tough for sure but there's a insane difference in competition and intensity when your entire Country is playing against an entire country of people who don't even speak the same language! Fookin Madmen! Absolute Madness! "Luve it!"
Come on, we all looked forward to watching a good old punch up on the field and a pint or 5 afterwards. Miss that.
punch 👊🏼 / burp 🍺 / fight 💪 / repeat ….
Jonah lomu was just one of a kind.
Agreed. Rare example of somebody almost too good for a game.
This was the rugby I fell in love with miss watching these games
LOL that one gent ran back to a fight holding the ball and never let go while punching!
league man myself but some of the older gen RU was great to watch, ball skills and footwork/toughness was brilliant. No-one running in and getting all handbaggy because your man got flung to the floor like a rag doll or got a a few studs down the back/ribs etc Referee and players utterly unphased by Thomas getting tip tackled.
unfazed
Toughest set of guys I cud imagine. Damn.
Your team-mate watches you get your head stood on and thinks, oh well he was offside.
A story from Ryan Davies, the 1970s entertainer: said he was watching a match where the players came up from a loose mawl (it WAS Welsh), and the last man up was gouting blood. "Count the other pack, ref" from the touchline. "I think the basterd's eaten one of them"
Every single jersey in this video is 🔥
Proper heavy-duty 100% cotton.
As a player i'm happy this era is over
If Rugby was still played like this, I would be a fan.
Even though I'm young, I'm used to watch these old games, and oh boy, I love it. Rugby is my favourite sport for one reason, it's physical and mental, you need to be strong in body and mind, it's the fucking perfect sport. Good old days when I played
Miss rucking in the game.... loved giving it and getting it
Yes but giving is always beter
Hooligans? Man's game.. end of discussion! 👊
heard it here. End if discussion not allowed to talk about it anymore
Discussion ended you are correct.
@@mludsladiesgentlemen1774 OK Let's shut this down right now.
@@user-cn3zq2zu2o Shut what down, nothing to see here officer PC9C85.
@@mludsladiesgentlemen1774 what are you doing still here? Discussion ended way up there ^^^ jeeez!
These aren't players. These are warriors!
As Willie John McBride said before Lions tour of South Africa, "Get your retaliation in first". Very proud of my daughter, age about 4 when she launched into the lanky 8-year old who had been teasing her all afternoon - over 30 years ago.