Mark Driscoll Kicked Off Stage at John Lindell's Men's Conference (Lessons for Pastors)
This was unexpected to say the least... Mark Driscoll gets kicked off stage in the middle of his message at the stronger men's conference after calling them out for hiring a male pole dancer to open the conference.
John Lindell, lead pastor of James River Church in Springfield, MO told him he's done and proceeded to criticize Mark's way of handling the situation citing Matthew 18.
In this video, I'll break down what happened and offer some lessons we can take away from the fiasco.
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Apparently there's more to the story. Here's what happened next: kzhead.info/sun/faynmJF-sHODnIk/bejne.html
I didn't see where I could comment on this original post and I'm just hearing about this. But you asked for comments I hope that I'm not out of line for commenting in this area But your answer is found in Haggai 2:10-14. I won't say more because I don't want to be out of order.
A male stripper at a CHRISTIAN men’s conference? No, those two worlds do not ‘jell’. Pastor Mark was right to call it out.
1) As Paul did, someone should have commanded the evil spirit in that man who works as a male stripper to be delivered for him to be reborn and give his life to Jesus. We all missed what Bible in Acts 16:18 tells us, we all need to repent, too and pray to be more as what Jesus would do to see souls set free and come into the harvest forThe Kingdom of God. 2) Pastor John should not publicly expose other growing Christians to unclean spirits & give permission to satan to perform thru that man who works for a living stripping, to perform within a sanctuary of God, that Pastor John, he supposedly as he later stated being the father of the house authority of, he tempted others to sin, that the Bible warns us not to do too in Matthew 18:7... as woe to him!
We need to be out of order and call sin sin! He shouldn't have submitted to man but stood up for God! The only thing Mark did wrong was backpeddle! He was right and then said I'll submit to you as head of this church?! God is the head of His church!!
@@gwenstone3903 mark was simply humbling himself. He never said anything about submitting. He did the same thing Jesus did when He told His disciples, if they don't listen to you, wipe the dust of that town from your feet and carry on.
A true man of God will call out wickedness, Pastor Mark Driscoll was right to call out the situation.
But Pastor Mark apologized. I don’t know how I feel about that.
I believe Pastor Mark Driscoll did the right thing to stop demonic activity being exposed opening portals for this demonic act, for example if you were at a childrens show and the opening of the show was totally against the purpose of the show wouldn't parents stand up to stop the show from invading our kids eyes? .........I don't agree of any entertainment that has nothing to do with the Gospel teachings. We are in this world but we are not of this world we are new creation in Christ Jesus. We no longer promote worldly entertainment whats that got to do with our salvation. The church is to edify, equip and bring comfort
Also it’s weird that the background of the screen is a motorcycle. Idk why that’s there but it just all seems very worldly. Which is a problem in Christianity.
@@joycetui4076 I agree! I wouldn’t want my young child seeing that.
Agreed 100% Isaiah 5:20-23 NKJV [20] WOE to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! [21] WOE to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight! [22] WOE to men mighty at drinking wine, Woe to men valiant for mixing intoxicating drink, [23] Who justify the wicked for a bribe, And take away justice from the righteous man!
What angers me is the number of men who did not walk out! Shame on every single one of them for flipping off the holiness of God!
They were screaming at the owner of the church that he was wrong to tell Pastor Mark he was "done".
Amen!
Agreed, why stay at a demonic conference.
I just said that on Tatum's channel.
Weren't they shouting "Bring him back" at first?
Mark Driscoll did the right thing. God will bless him for standing for the truth ❤
An open evil should receive an open rebuke
Yes, Correct! The Word Clearly says so... "But those elders who are sinning you are to Rebuke in the 👉presence of All,👈 so that others also will fear." - 1 Timothy 5:20
As an 81 yr old (52 yr old believer in Christ), I’m getting fed up with this “circus type atmosphere” that seems to be so prevalent lately in venues like these. That’s not what the Gospel is all about! It’s about repentance, salvation, justification, redemption, a new creature in Christ, forgiveness, love, kindness, self control, etc ! Cmon Christians, we’re not supposed to be like the world, but we’re supposed to be like Christ!
It speaks a lot more to what these Churches do not have, than what they do. If they have to sell you the Gospel with things like this, they don't have a powerful message to offer anyway. The Holy Spirit is not in these Churches. God has left them!
Yep, I like Boxing and Motorcycles, but what does it have to do with renewal and rededication and focus on the Word? Looks like a bunch of marketing. While that might entice unbelievers to come and HEAR the Gospel, what is the point of it all for people who already count themselves as Believers?
God Bless Elders like you sir ✝️🙏🏼
I remember before the Sermon on the Mount, when Jesus said "but first, here's some dancing monkeys for your entertainment".
100%
The leader wants a private rebuke yet he publicly exposes people in a church conference to an inappropriate display
Well said.
THIS!!!
Yes, and the display would be confusing for young men. I wish someone stopped it before it started. Did John run this idea by anyone?!?!
@@mainelass9915 Here is an in depth video showing more of what John did afterwards, showing text messages, calling for the whole church to dislike Mark etc, childish behavior. Part of what made John mad is Mark stating that the people (Johns son or brother?) who watched the audition/coordinated this 'performance' is troubled if they seen it and DIDNT call it out when they were originally making a decision on it. kzhead.info/sun/pLGjhaujoGKLqYk/bejne.html
what would Jesus have done turned the stage upside down!
Great courage for Mark to call this out. He is absolutely correct. The conference leaders should be ashamed
This was absolutely crazy, Mark Driscoll handled it well, both in pointing out the sin in humility and graciously leaving the stage when asked to.
Yes, Mark was correct! "But those elders who are sinning you are to Rebuke in the 👉presence of All,👈 so that others also will fear." - 1 Timothy 5:20
Thank God! Mark Driscoll for calling this out , that's the real problem with lukewarm Christians , tickle my ear Christians, beware God is not mocked.
Certainly a weird thing for a Christian Men’s Conference!
And the motorcycle background screen? Worldly
Unfortunately later that night Mark apologized and they never addressed it again.
@@hunterlane5997 Yes. Thanks for mentioning that. Who cares if they made up. Humbly accept a brother called out sin and repent in unison. Church, we've got a long way to go. The guys clapping and agreeing w/ Lindell at the end is sad. He quoted a scripture NOT in context and because he used the word like that, guys who lacked discernment went..."oh ok...yeah". And this was called "STRONG MAN Conference? I can see why God is chastising us.
OOOOHHHHHWEEEEE!!! PREACH BROTHER PREACH! EVERY KNEE WILL BOW.
Mark driscoll had EVERY right to call that out. Wow
“A time will come when instead of shepherds feeding the sheep, the church will have clowns entertaining the goats” -Charles Spurgeon
We could definately use a Charles Spurgeon today ! Thanks for reminding me of this quote❤
That's a good one, and so true. I listen to his sermons almost daily - I never picked up on that quote, but how appropriate.
Is he kin to Nancy?
That time is now…
It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t his event, he was definitely within his right to stand up against this mess. This is how you’re going to spend money , on a stripper, pillars of fire, and a stripper pole to be erected? When that money should have been used for the kingdom of God. This is actually disgraceful.
Mathew 18 has to do with private sin not public immoral behavior Lindell was wrong 1000%
that's true...
EXACTLY!!
I agree completely. And if Mark had broached this subject with him privately, he never would have been allowed on that Stage. And many young Christian men in attendance that night needed to hear what Mark had to say. Even though he didn't get to finish.
the older men should have left when the actir started.I guess women have more sense and woulf have left.by the way muslims have an unsterstanding what to do in a place where you worship God!
@@lovewins2379well does anyone understand what he meant with Isebel spirit?
John Lindell (not going to call him a pastor) needs to REPENT then resign!
He won't. The family has tight control over that building.
I agree with clay. I live just down the road from the huge campus (not calling it a church) where this event took place, this family has a ton of power and control.
Both are false teaches!
John Lindell continues to embarrass the city I grew up in with his actions.
just repent. If Jesus said we should not be ashamed if we repent then no one else has the right to shame us if we repent. We are all human and every pastor has lied or been in error even in their sermons. It happens time to time even once over a long career. The resigning part is up to the Lord if he wants to use him still. God used Paul. Look how many Christians he killed. People can be changed when we humble ourselves before God.
My question is, “Why did those men continue to sit through that conference? It should have emptied out faster than quail out of an azalea bush!
You are so right I thought the same thing , You asked why did they not leave , because there a bunch of goats led by a goat herder ! ! ! !
And Islam is going to have a lot of converts 💀💀💀
Lindell is more concerned about his reputation than the lives of the men in attendance.
More concerned with promoting the Jezebel spirit than the HOLY SPIRIT. Doubt this pastor knows ANYTHING about the HOLY SPIRIT. You are too gentle the man is a DEMON leading the faithful astray!!!!!!
He allowed a public wicked act SO you get rebuked publicly
The only way that performance could have been more weird is if the performer had a Dolly Parton wig and makeup on.
Thats right!
What is wicked about it? It's a circus performance. You can argue it's misplaced, but wicked?
He’s an acrobat, he wasn’t stripping
@@roddbroward9876agreed - circus performance, not inherently wicked - not "Jezebel"
There was nothing spiritually edifying in that act whatsoever.
For sure!
MISSOURI is getting that way sadly!
I doubt that any of you really want to understand but I will explain it to you anyway .It is a Christian men's conference that has entertainment centered around the idea of strength and things that men like that are macho in nature. So there were many acts there that were circus-like or extreme in nature. I think in the past they've had tanks running over cars, people on motorcycles jumping ramps, etc. So this was a circus-like, trapeze artists-like.. an extreme sports kind of atmosphere. James River did not know of this guy's background. They hired a troupe to do a performance stunt. There was also a boxing match. Two more people had their shirts off ! oh my God ! Mark took a simple circus act and put a religious spin on something that did not exist. And now he's got all of your minds in that way of thinking that there was no intent involved. What's also amazing is that there were over 500 people saved at this event and this is all that anybody wants to focus on after someone went and dug into the dudes past. No wonder people are turned off to Christianity when Christians shoot each other in the backs and don't want to have an ounce of fun.
“circus-like, trapeze artists-like” ???? Stripper-like, pole-dancing-like ???. That should edify the mind, body and soul. 😒. “500 people saved at this event “ ???? Ummm huh?
@@dallenwadeears itching much lately?
A sword is in fact a cross. When the abomination got to the top of the pole, turned upside down, creating an upside down cross at the top of a pole on a high place. Absolutely disgusting. Stay blessed everyone and call out these wicked pagans. 🙏🏼
That was my first thoughts. absolute Blasphemy
You guys need to stop reading into it so much. It was an acrobatic performance that didn't belong at a church conference. It's out of context, sure but you all need to lay off... nobody was there to call you out in your lowest moments, just be glad it wasn't on public display. I bet it was way worse!
@@Ishbu101 why do you feel the need to become affected by this situation, and to stand up for a subject you know little about? Curious. 🧐 Are you affiliated with the performer?
@@trickysubject8563 why do you have a perverted mind and think an acrobatic performance is gay? Why are you so heavily involved in this situation?
@@ReadyorNot811 he is! He has! Did I delete it? I’m simply asking why he feels it necessary to defend the guy?
RIGHT ON PASTOR MARK DRISCOLL!!! YOU'VE MADE THE ONLY CALL THAT A REAL CHRISTIAN PASTOR COULD'VE MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! BLESSINGS ON YOU AND YOUR FAMILY TOO!!! SHALOM AND AMEN!✝️✝️🛐🛐📛🕊️🕊️🕊️❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥🤰🤱🧬🤰🤱✨👑✨🦁🦁🦁❣️❣️❣️🌺🌺🌺😇🌟🤗🙏🙏🙏🇨🇦🇮🇱♾️🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🗽🦅‼️
Mark stood up for righteousness, and they didn’t like it. God will bless him for!
Oh my God !!! Please help us to repent and turn from our wicked ways !! This is not Godly at all ! God keep and strengthen Mark Driscoll !! Continue to Stand and be bold in the Lord !!
Why would people not like righteousness anyore?
The Pastor did the conference publicly exposing sin. So Pastor Mark called the sin out publicly. He did right. God is tired of people playing church.
Agreed!
And then he apologized for doing so.
Looked like some type of satanic entertainment to me. Jesus would have kicked the entertainer out
I wager that God is even more tired hearing pastors playing pastor.
No pole dancing at Church. Was this a doctrine of demons presented to a public venue of pastors at a men's conference. Something is way wrong here.
Proverbs 27:5-6 Open rebuke is better than secret love. Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Pastor Mark is over the 🎯 these men that told him to leave are homosexual pastors let that sink in....They are part of the jezabel spirit, and they did not want to hear that..Preach truth Pastor Mark...
Kinda ironic that he rebuked him in front of everyone for not being rebuked in private.
Lol...right?
Modern day Pharisee! Lol
Exactly my take on it
This was all done in public and a public Rebuke was absolutly correct.
Yep, I thought the same thing!
Thank you @MarkDriscoll for standing for truth and Christ
I stand in agreement and beside Pastor Mark Driscoll. Thank you Pastor Driscoll for being a real pastor.
I'm thankful he was bold enough to speak against what took place. Sadly these conferences are about $$$ when many are looking for guidance. Thank you, Pastor Mark
Well done Mark for standing up for truth. We honour you
That was absolutely disgusting and deserved to be called out!!!! Very very gross.
*GOD DOES NOT RECOGNIZE MOST CHURCHES ON EARTH BECAUSE THEY REJECT THE CONTINUANCE OF COMMANDMENTS FROM JESUS CHRIST IN 1 CORINTHIANS 11-14 TO KEEP ORDER AND TEST WHAT IS BEING SPEWED* *1 TIMOTHY 5: 20 REBUKE THEM IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL SO THAT ALL TAKE NOTE AND BE ASHAMED!* *TITUS **1:15**To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.* *Romans 11:22 KJ21 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, YOU TOO WILL BE CUT OFF* *HEBREW 6 WARNING *4 For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened-those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come- 6 and who then turn away from God.* * It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance;* by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame. 7When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. 2 THESSALONANS 2:10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. *16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.* HEBREWS 10: 26 IF WE DELIBERATELY (((WILLFULLY)))KEEP ON SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, NO SACRIFICE FOR SIN IS LEFT,* *27 BUT ONLY A FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGMENT AND OF RAGING FIRE THAT WILL CONSUME THE ENEMIES OF GOD.* 28 ANYONE WHO **REJECTED* THE LAW OF MOSES DIED WITHOUT MERCY ON THE TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES. *GRACE IS A GIFT, AND IF WE ABUSE IT BY DELIBERATELY CONTINUING TO PRACTICE SIN, WE ARE DESTINED FOR ETERNITY IN HELL! *29 HOW MUCH MORE SEVERELY DO YOU THINK SOMEONE DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED WHO HAS TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD UNDERFOOT, WHO HAS TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT THAT SANCTIFIED THEM, AND WHO HAS INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?* 2 Corinthians *19 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise!* *20 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face.* *21To my shame I admit that we were too weak for that* 3But I fear that somehow your pure and undivided devotion to Christ will be corrupted, just as Eve was deceived by the cunning ways of the serpent. 4You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed. 5 But I don’t consider myself inferior in any way to these “super apostles” who teach such things. 6I may be unskilled as a speaker, but I’m not lacking in knowledge. We have made this clear to you in every possible way. 21 I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, DOING nothing with partiality. LISTEN AND PERCEIVE...11Why? Because I don’t love you? God knows that I do. 12 But I will continue doing what I have always done. This will undercut those who are looking for an opportunity to boast that their work is just like ours. 13These people are false apostles. They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. 14But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve. 16 Again I say, don’t think that I am a fool to talk like this. *PLEASE WARN YOUR FLOCKS! WE MUST BE HONEST WITH OUR TESTAMENT AND INCLUDE THE VERSES THAT WE CAN LOSE OUR SALVATION! YOUR SPEAKING ABOUT HEBREWS, THIS IS HEBREWS 10:26 26 DEAR FRIENDS, IF WE DELIBERATELY CONTINUE SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE IS NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE THAT WILL COVER THESE SINS. *1 JOHN 3 ELABORATES THE SAME THING. 6Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.* 7 Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. *8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil.* 9Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. *10 So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil.* GALATIANS 1:*14 I PAUL, THANK GOD THAT I DID NOT BAPTISE NONE OF YOU,* *GALATIANS 1:6I am ASTOUNDED AND SHOCKED that you are turning away so soon from God, who called you to himself through the loving mercy of Christ. You are following a different way that pretends to be the Good News* *7 but is not the Good News at all. You are being fooled by those who deliberately twist the truth concerning Christ.* *8 Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you.* *9 I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed.* *1 CORINTHIANS 14:29 LET TWO OR THREE PROPHETS SPEAK, AND LET THE OTHERS PASS JUDGMENT.* *30 BUT IF A REVELATION IS MADE TO ANOTHER (WHO IS SEATED), (THE FIRST ONE MUST KEEP SILENT.) *31 FOR YOU CAN (ALL) PROPHESY (ONE BY ONE), (SO THAT (ALL) (MAY LEARN) AND (ALL) (MAY BE EXHORTED); *32 AND THE SPIRITS OF PROPHETS ARE (SUBJECT to PROPHETS;) *33 FOR GOD IS NOT A GOD OF (CONFUSION) BUT OF PEACE, (AS IN ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.)* *37 IF ANYONE CLAIMS THEY ARE A PROPHET, OR THINKS HE IS SPIRITUAL)), YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WHAT I SPEAK TO YOU IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.* 38*** AND IF ANYONE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THESE COMMANDS TO KEEP ORDER IN ALL THE CHURCHES, THEY WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZED 38, AND IF ANYONE IGNORES THESE COMMANDS, THEY WILL BE IGNORED... ITS INEVITABLE THAT THERE MUST BE LIARS/HERESEES AMONG MY PEOPLE , SO THAT THOSE WHO SPEAK TRUTH, WILL BE RECOGNIZED FOR IT.. I REBUKE EVERYONE TO GODS FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH... *Speak two or three - On the same days, or at the same meeting; see the note at 1 Corinthians 14:27. BARNES BIBLE COMMENTARY ON THIS VERSE IS VERY CLEAR IN UNDERSTANDING THIS CHARGED COMMAND WE MUST ALL HAVE VIGILANCE TO ADHERE TO* *And let the other judge - The word "other" (οἱ ἄλλοι hoi alloi, "the others"), Bloomfield supposes refers to the other prophets; and that the meaning is, that they should decide whether what was said was dictated by the Holy Spirit, or not. But the more probable sense, I think, is that which refers it to the rest of the congregation, and which supposes that they were to compare one doctrine with another, and deliberate on what was spoken, and determine whether it had evidence of being in accordance with the truth. It may be that the apostle here refers to those who had the gift of discerning spirits, and that he meant to say that they were to determine by what spirit the prophets who spoke were actuated. It was possible that those who claimed to be prophets might ERROR, and it was the duty of all to examine whether that which was uttered was in accordance with truth. AND IF THIS WAS A DUTY THEN, IT IS A DUTY NOW; IF IT WAS PROPER EVEN WHEN THE TEACHERS CLAIMED TO BE UNDER DIVINE INSPIRATION, IT IS MUCH MORE THE DUTY OF THE PEOPLE NOW. NO MINISTER OF RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT ALL THAT HE SPEAKS SHALL BE REGARDED AS TRUTH, UNLESS HE CAN PROVE IT BY LETTING THE OTHERS TEST AND JUDGE WHAT HE SAYS WITH THE SCRIPTURES IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION! NO MAN IS TO BE DEBARRED FROM THE RIGHT OF INTERRUPTING AND THEN CANVASSING FREELY, AND COMPARING WITH THE BIBLE, AND WITH SOUND REASON IN DOCTRINES OF GOD'S WORD, all that the minister of the gospel advances TO ASSURE ALL THAT IS BEING TAUGHT IS DONE IN TRUTH & RIGHTEOUSNESS IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION! NO UPRIGHT MINISTER WHO FEELS HE IS SPEAKING GOD'S WORD WITHOUT ERROR , WOULD EVER HOLD BACK OR PROHIBIT THE PEOPLE FROM EXAMINING EVERYTHING THAT HE SPEAKS TO THE PEOPLE IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION! AND ALSO TO ADD REVELATION, OR EDIFY EVEN MORE ECT...IT IS A WRITTEN COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF 1 CORINTHIANS 11-14 IS A CONTINUOUS COMMAND. IT MUST NEVER BE FORGOTTEN, WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER!!! .*20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication* , and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. *21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.* *22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.*
Mark is 100% right, FINALLY a man of conviction to stand up and say what is right. I will NEVER look at Lindell the same way again.
Wow great job Driscoll ! We need more men of God like you
I miss the old Promise Keepers men's conferences where God was lifted up from the beginning to the end.
Amen 🙏
Only one thing wrong. Jesus is the only True Promise Keeper.
@@song23ministrieswell aside from the whole returning within his contemporary generation’s time 😂
That is a big 10-4!
They were racists, fascists, and women-haters. The New York Times said so, so it must be accurate.
If mark would have confronted the pastor , the pastor qould not of allowed him to speak..
Very likely.
Exactly my thoughts. Or the pastor would have just received what he said but high probability not have said anything openly at that event.
100 % I think the same thing
True that
If he would’ve talked to the pastor beforehand, he probably wouldn’t have let him speak and the people there to see Mark Driscoll may have never known why. He had to let this crowd know that he wasn’t in agreement with what he observed. If he hadn’t said it, these men would’ve assumed that Mark was in agreement with it.
I wish the men would walk out. hope this is a heads up for many. and they will be much more likely to speak up and take a stand! America needs their voices!
God will not be mocked! Pastor Mark was spot on with what he said. If Pastor Mark had said something prior to him speaking , he would have never been allowed to speak at all. As a man of God, Pastor Mark needs to speak out against this type of church apostasy. Aging God bless Pastor Mark.
Never in my 50 years of being a Christian have I ever seen anything like this. Shame shame shame.
I remember during the heavy move of the Holy Spirit in the early 70’s the enemy had the New Age lies leak into the church to confuse the people of God. Next came witchcraft, name it claim it was just one deception. There have been so many cults and so many Christians who started out well, and became targets of Satan and he sent demons to deceive them. We all need to pray for discernment and wisdom as we all are under attack. Men and boys have been under assault as well as women giving into that spirit of Jezebel.
Why didn’t people leave immediately. Church is asleep.
I left with about half the other men . All should have walked out
BECAUSE MOST CHURCHES ON EARTH ARE NOT RECOGNIZED TO BEGIN WITH. BOTH PASTORS AND CONGREGATIONS. *MATHEW 18 IS ABOUT TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THE OTHER DO SOMETHING WRONG OUTSIDE CONGREGATION. TIMOTHY APPLIES IN THE CONGREGATIONS WHO DO SUCH WICKEDNESS.* *GOD DOES NOT RECOGNIZE MOST CHURCHES ON EARTH BECAUSE THEY REJECT THE CONTINUANCE OF COMMANDMENTS FROM JESUS CHRIST IN 1 CORINTHIANS 11-14* *1 TIMOTHY 5: 20 REBUKE THEM IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL SO THAT ALL TAKE NOTE AND BE ASHAMED!* *TITUS **1:15**To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.* *Romans 11:22 KJ21 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, YOU TOO WILL BE CUT OFF* *HEBREW 6 WARNING *4 For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened-those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come- 6 and who then turn away from God.* * It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance;* by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame. 7When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. 2 THESSALONANS 2:10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. *16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.* HEBREWS 10: 26 IF WE DELIBERATELY (((WILLFULLY)))KEEP ON SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, NO SACRIFICE FOR SIN IS LEFT,* *27 BUT ONLY A FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGMENT AND OF RAGING FIRE THAT WILL CONSUME THE ENEMIES OF GOD.* 28 ANYONE WHO **REJECTED* THE LAW OF MOSES DIED WITHOUT MERCY ON THE TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES. *GRACE IS A GIFT, AND IF WE ABUSE IT BY DELIBERATELY CONTINUING TO PRACTICE SIN, WE ARE DESTINED FOR ETERNITY IN HELL! *29 HOW MUCH MORE SEVERELY DO YOU THINK SOMEONE DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED WHO HAS TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD UNDERFOOT, WHO HAS TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT THAT SANCTIFIED THEM, AND WHO HAS INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?* 2 Corinthians *19 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise!* *20 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face.* *21To my shame I admit that we were too weak for that* 3But I fear that somehow your pure and undivided devotion to Christ will be corrupted, just as Eve was deceived by the cunning ways of the serpent. 4You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed. 5 But I don’t consider myself inferior in any way to these “super apostles” who teach such things. 6I may be unskilled as a speaker, but I’m not lacking in knowledge. We have made this clear to you in every possible way. 21 I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, DOING nothing with partiality. LISTEN AND PERCEIVE...11Why? Because I don’t love you? God knows that I do. 12 But I will continue doing what I have always done. This will undercut those who are looking for an opportunity to boast that their work is just like ours. 13These people are false apostles. They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. 14But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve. 16 Again I say, don’t think that I am a fool to talk like this. *PLEASE WARN YOUR FLOCKS! WE MUST BE HONEST WITH OUR TESTAMENT AND INCLUDE THE VERSES THAT WE CAN LOSE OUR SALVATION! YOUR SPEAKING ABOUT HEBREWS, THIS IS HEBREWS 10:26 26 DEAR FRIENDS, IF WE DELIBERATELY CONTINUE SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE IS NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE THAT WILL COVER THESE SINS. *1 JOHN 3 ELABORATES THE SAME THING. 6Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.* 7 Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. *8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil.* 9Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. *10 So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil.* GALATIANS 1:*14 I PAUL, THANK GOD THAT I DID NOT BAPTISE NONE OF YOU,* *GALATIANS 1:6I am ASTOUNDED AND SHOCKED that you are turning away so soon from God, who called you to himself through the loving mercy of Christ. You are following a different way that pretends to be the Good News* *7 but is not the Good News at all. You are being fooled by those who deliberately twist the truth concerning Christ.* *8 Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you.* *9 I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed.* *1 CORINTHIANS 14:29 LET TWO OR THREE PROPHETS SPEAK, AND LET THE OTHERS PASS JUDGMENT.* *30 BUT IF A REVELATION IS MADE TO ANOTHER (WHO IS SEATED), (THE FIRST ONE MUST KEEP SILENT.) *31 FOR YOU CAN (ALL) PROPHESY (ONE BY ONE), (SO THAT (ALL) (MAY LEARN) AND (ALL) (MAY BE EXHORTED); *32 AND THE SPIRITS OF PROPHETS ARE (SUBJECT to PROPHETS;) *33 FOR GOD IS NOT A GOD OF (CONFUSION) BUT OF PEACE, (AS IN ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.)* *37 IF ANYONE CLAIMS THEY ARE A PROPHET, OR THINKS HE IS SPIRITUAL)), YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WHAT I SPEAK TO YOU IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.* 38*** AND IF ANYONE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THESE COMMANDS TO KEEP ORDER IN ALL THE CHURCHES, THEY WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZED 38, AND IF ANYONE IGNORES THESE COMMANDS, THEY WILL BE IGNORED... ITS INEVITABLE THAT THERE MUST BE LIARS/HERESEES AMONG MY PEOPLE , SO THAT THOSE WHO SPEAK TRUTH, WILL BE RECOGNIZED FOR IT.. I REBUKE EVERYONE TO GODS FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH... *Speak two or three - On the same days, or at the same meeting; see the note at 1 Corinthians 14:27. BARNES BIBLE COMMENTARY ON THIS VERSE IS VERY CLEAR IN UNDERSTANDING THIS CHARGED COMMAND WE MUST ALL HAVE VIGILANCE TO ADHERE TO* *And let the other judge - The word "other" (οἱ ἄλλοι hoi alloi, "the others"), Bloomfield supposes refers to the other prophets; and that the meaning is, that they should decide whether what was said was dictated by the Holy Spirit, or not. But the more probable sense, I think, is that which refers it to the rest of the congregation, and which supposes that they were to compare one doctrine with another, and deliberate on what was spoken, and determine whether it had evidence of being in accordance with the truth. It may be that the apostle here refers to those who had the gift of discerning spirits, and that he meant to say that they were to determine by what spirit the prophets who spoke were actuated. It was possible that those who claimed to be prophets might ERROR, and it was the duty of all to examine whether that which was uttered was in accordance with truth. AND IF THIS WAS A DUTY THEN, IT IS A DUTY NOW; IF IT WAS PROPER EVEN WHEN THE TEACHERS CLAIMED TO BE UNDER DIVINE INSPIRATION, IT IS MUCH MORE THE DUTY OF THE PEOPLE NOW. NO MINISTER OF RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT ALL THAT HE SPEAKS SHALL BE REGARDED AS TRUTH, UNLESS HE CAN PROVE IT BY LETTING THE OTHERS TEST AND JUDGE WHAT HE SAYS WITH THE SCRIPTURES IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION! NO MAN IS TO BE DEBARRED FROM THE RIGHT OF INTERRUPTING AND THEN CANVASSING FREELY, AND COMPARING WITH THE BIBLE, AND WITH SOUND REASON IN DOCTRINES OF GOD'S WORD, all that the minister of the gospel advances TO ASSURE ALL THAT IS BEING TAUGHT IS DONE IN TRUTH & RIGHTEOUSNESS IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION! NO UPRIGHT MINISTER WHO FEELS HE IS SPEAKING GOD'S WORD WITHOUT ERROR , WOULD EVER HOLD BACK OR PROHIBIT THE PEOPLE FROM EXAMINING EVERYTHING THAT HE SPEAKS TO THE PEOPLE IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION! AND ALSO TO ADD REVELATION, OR EDIFY EVEN MORE ECT...IT IS A WRITTEN COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF 1 CORINTHIANS 11-14 IS A CONTINUOUS COMMAND. IT MUST NEVER BE FORGOTTEN, WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER!!! .*20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication* , and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. *21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.* *22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.*
I shared with my husband about this incident and I asked him how would he have responded. He said he would've walked out. Yet not one of those men in that conference did that. How narrow is the way that leads to righteousness. Few there be that walk it. This is very, very, very disturbing.
I totally agree what Mark said. Christians need to be bold and speak up when something is wrong. why not start the conference with Worship music and singing and praising Jesus! It is time to be bold. God is waiting for us to stand firm in His truth. Call out what is wrong. All the men of God should have walked out. If they didn't they were NOT filled with the Spirit.
When someone like Mark Driscoll correctly calls you out, you are not in a good place…
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Right?
Yes!
He called him out in Love for what is good, and hate for what is unholy. He addressed the crowd because he had to bring discernment to the group. Ugh...so much more respect for Pastor Mark.
Driscoll certainly has personal flaws, but the lessons I've heard him teach were spot on.
The embarrassed pastor claimed the pastor who he kicked off the stage should have come to him privately instead of in public, then proceeds to berate the person he kicked off the stage publicly.
This. You will know them by their fruits. Hypocrisy and leaven.
That’s the Truth
This fact was not lost on me either
I'm not surprised by the embarrassed pastor's behavior - seeing that he planned the inappropriate event.
He did far less than Mike did after he adopted a holier than thou attitude and decided to tear him to shreds on the pulpit...as if Mark is any better behind closed doors LOL. So many fake preachers pretending their perfect...we all stink when we go to the bathroom.
What bothers me is none of the men left when the performer started. Period!
Church is not netflix to entertain us. We are there to praise God and give God the glory.
The sleeping Church tolerates all abominations as okay.The light is turning dark.JESUS SAVE YOUR CHURCH!
Nothing but the truth. We are certainly living in the last day.
Amen Pray God delivers the congregation . From evil spirits in that church every evil spoken word be removed In Jesus name.
Instead of opening the conference with a prayer so they may invite the presence of God, they invited the stripper.This is insane
It’s telling that thousands of so called Christian men didn’t have the conviction nor the courage to walk out! This is where we are at, few real Christian men left out there!!!!
Yes because is a postmoder cult not a real church
Great point!!!
He was invited to speak at the event which is a Christian event. There are no exceptions to the word of God. He spoke on the part of truth. He represented God's word. That's what a Christian event is about first and foremost.
A dispicable act at a men's conference... why didn't the men attending walkout? Hi applause to the pastor who Spoke against this.
Demons in the church. How sad.😔
Because it’s the Devil’s , church. If it was God’s that evil spirit would not have stepped foot in it. It was welcomed by Satan’s children.
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24
@@calledbygod9817Where are the great signs and wonders?
What pastor in their right mind would think that is a good way to open a men’s conference? How does that even enter the mind of a man who is supposedly meeting the Lord of Heaven daily in prayer and seeking Him in his word?
Very odd, to say the least.
I don’t think a true godly person would do that . God said this would be happening in the end times
I was wondering the same thing
Jezebel spirit, swallowing the sword , which resembles swallowing the word of God
Shame on every single man who showed up to fill that room the next day.
I think mark, listening to God had a respectable to speak out what God told him. Much like a prophet, many will not understand or receive it. Well done Mark Driscoll.
That was the stupidest decision, it spoke so loud of the leaders of this ministry, but affected the whole body of Christ. We truly are in the last days..🙏
I think Mark felt he needed to look out for the men in the conference, bot all mature in the Lord. It may never got addressed otherwise. The people don't need entertainment, but solid teaching. Mark couldn't stay quiet about it. The leader was embarrassed and called out .
John Lindell should have gotten up and stopped the vile performance. He either didn't have the courage, or he was in agreement with it. 1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. He could have at least gotten up when Driscoll was rebuking and apologized for what just happened, asked forgiveness, prayed a prayer of repentance, and let Driscoll speak. My heart is grieved for the whole situation.
"But those elders who are sinning you are to Rebuke in the 👉presence of All,👈 so that others also will fear." - 1 Timothy 5:20
Why was Pastor Driscoll the only Christian walking out?
From what I understand ppl did walk out as the performance was going on..
I think that it would be difficult at that moment to immediately get up and walk out. These men bought tickets, traveled, got a hotel, rental car, etc... They might have been shocked, confused, and frozen in place, thinking WHAT THE HECK just happened. Then, they might have thought 'I have confidence that Pastor John had a reason for this. THEN, if that reasoning did not get revealed-then they would have discussed this with their friend's. Then, having come to agreement that this performance was a bad decision, they would have taken appropriate action..
Igual pensé en todo lo que dices y ahora me pregunto ¿Les habrán devuelto su dinero?
Good question. The man even got on his knee to critize (rightly so) what the other so called pastor did
I think anyone at that conference to begin with are carnal Christians.
The fact that Lindell would choose such a act to open a Men's conference makes me question Lindell's motive not to mention his interests. God is cleaning house and exposing the wicked leaders in the church's. If Lindell is married his wife needs to question his pic of this opening act big time, maybe check his browser history. What a creep!
Seems the entire conference needed to hear TRUTH‼️ I fully support Mark Driscoll. Clearly, Mark did have at least some support from conference attendees - that can be heard. We need a plumb line and our plumb line is Christ.
Pastor Mark handled this situation with great obedience to God. We all must be called forward when we think something is fine and really it isn’t good at all. So very proud of Pastor Mark for his words and actions. It’s hard to hear when we do wrong and Pastor Mark handled this with such grace. Love you Pastor Mark
Mark was in the right. Woe to that pastor who are leading those men astray. Everything the that that male person did I saw as demonic. There was nothing not one thing that would help lead those men to Christ
The purpose of it is questionable at best, for sure.
You tell it sister!!!These are EVIL times and Im glad you have something to say publicly.
Sister Christine I don't think Mark was in the right exactly he knew what he was doing have you read lately where he's been trying to sell books at The Strange Fire concert and they had to ask him to stop doing it, and if you look it up on the internet more you'll find out many churches tell him to take a walk if this isn't God speaking I don't know if anybody can hear his voice I believe with all my heart he is in the wrong. God bless you Sister play for discernment because he's his last days and people are being deceived delusions and Mr Mark Driscoll maybe one of them. I believe he took the knee and left right away because of the other places he knew he had to leave too and I don't know if he got any money out of any of you could have got some money and sold some books huh I don't know cuz I wasn't there we have to pray for discernment
This is what’s wrong with the church today! Instead of letting the Spirit of God draw them, they try to “entertain” with things of this world that is not of God!
Like the ludicrous loud volume in worship services. It not only breaks God's natural laws concerning our hearing, it says the Gospel of Christ is not enough to draw young ppl. There has to be rock concert, heavy metal volume to draw the young. What the terrible loud volume in worship has really done is brought division (many don't attend church anymore), it also inhibits many from hearing that "still small Voice" during Worship. Christians need to return to serving each other not encouraging arrogance especially among the youth.
John Lindell allowed for this evil act to be performed publicly at the first place so a public rebuke was guaranteed. We serve a holy God!
So sad that they hired a male stripper show at a church conference. Thank you Mark for bringing up the truth of what was on stage and what that represented. Specially bringing your message to the congregation so humbly,
I personally see no point in having the former male stripper perform at the conference. The men were there to be encouraged and uplifted by the Word of God. What if there was a man there fighting with the spirit of homosexual lust? I am not the biggest fan of Mark Driscoll, but I do feel he was in the right to call it out. He is not one to mince words, so I feel this was not the first that was spoken about the situation. The only spirit that should be present is the Holy Spirit. It reminds me a bit of Elijah calling out the prophets of Baal. I don't think this will be the last we hear about this.
Yeah, so weird to include a performance like that at a Christian Men’s Conference.
I am in favor of Mark’s approach. The Word of God preached is the purpose.
That’s exactly what I have been saying! Or a man who’s struggling with going to strip clubs and this put those temptations there! How does this Lindell guy not recognize this but everyone else does. I guess even Satan believed in Jesus and quoted scripture. I immediately thought of some friends of mine who struggle w things that could ignite the exact temptations they’re trying to fight by coming to a conference like this to grow closer to God. And then they experience ungodly entertainment and a prideful pastor condemning a truth speaker. The body of Christ needs prayer!
May i ask why you are not a fan of Mark Driscoll?
@davidpearson1157 I find him to be very arrogant and ill modest. It is just my opinion of him from what I have seen of him. Please don't take what I say to be judgemental, he could be a pleasant man to be around...I just find that when he is trying to be bold in the pulpit, it comes off as arrogant.
Pastor Mark is right!!! Love you we need men that stand up against this!!!
All the Men’s who was there should had walked out of that conference. This is not how we praise our Lord and Savior. Shame on all involved.
As a woman (eh em... BIOLOGICAL FEMALE) also from Springfield,MO I am so glad Mark did what he did!! I'm embarrassed nd saddened for the ridiculous excuse of church that James River has become and extremely disappointed in John Lindell. I will keep this church AND the other fallen churches in my prayers daily. Mark DEFINITELY did the right thing 🙏💯🕊️❤️
What is done openly should be rebuked openly
I hate the direction in which much of the western church is heading. Maranatha!
Most of the churches are not like that at all! This one is exceptional!
Its this "megachurch" mentality that these so called pastors are attracted to. its gross
It’s the “mega church” movement. I live in the Midwest and there are tons of churches, I’ve been to several of them for services including James River. Not a single one of the others ever displayed such a circus.
Maranatha we are seeing Jesus times on modern days
Maybe other churches aren't having such spectacles as THIS, but many services nowadays are little more than a mini concert followed by a TED talk with a few scriptures thrown in. Rarely do I hear much about reaching out to the lost, or pursuing a sanctified life.
Well done Pastor Mark you are protecting God’s people. True shepherd ❤
Thank God for Pastors like Mark Driscoll! Those men attending should have rose up and left with him. Shame, shame, shame!!! Now those who disagreed will rebuke in private. Why? Unless that pastor repents openly the doors will close permanently. Only the true remnant will prevail.
Night and day difference between how Mark Driscoll and Pastor John spoke and carried themselves. I applaud Mark for handling himself so well
I will no longer watch John Lindell's services online!
JOHN IS done in my opinion
I never have, now I never will lol
Closet Homosexual.
Watch Pastor Charles Lawson. Equipped and educated man of God. Hope you find blessings out of his sermons in Jesus name 🙏🏾
Good choice.. find a good Christ following leader...hunt, hunt try Pastor Jack Hibbs😊 He's all Bible and no nonsense! They call him America's pastor now! ❤
Mark Driscoll, I am so pleased to see that you are willing to stand alone and in humily remind people that we are representing Christ and His church. This is not an entertainment centre
Very courageous of Mark. God is after us without spot or wrinkle.
God bless Pastor Mark for calling them out. This was sacrilegious!!!
Many men needed to hear what Mark said and I'm glad he didn't speak to the Pastor first. I believe God wanted it fully out there in the open saying, what are you watching?? Mark was ready to get off stage as soon as he was told.
Man of God, truly, boldly, lovingly addressed "public show". Pastor Mike was 100% correct to publicly correct under circumstances. I would leave a church immediately if I eas greeted with that sight !!! ,, 👄💪💪💪👏👏👏👏👏💔💔💔💔💔💔💔😁
Blessings and prayers for Pastor Mark. He did the right thing then shook the dust from his sandals
Why would a stripper be at a Christian conference in the first place? Secondly, why would a male stripper be in front of males? 😳Mark called it like it is.
Mark didnt fight, mark didnt abuse, Mark didnt insult. He was interrupted because John was offended at Mark. Not the other way round. John Liddell set Mark up. Marks views on things like this are abundantly clear and public. John was in the wrong. The conference organisers sinned against Mark.
And they sinned against God. What a despicable, pagan thing to set before Christians eyes. Lindell needs to resign from ministry, get saved and place himself under Godly counsel.
The crowd cheering for him at the end gives me hope for Christianity ✊🙌
The reference of the pole being used in the performance of an ex male stripper and the Asherah pole of idol worship couldn’t be any clearer.
I'm surprised it wasn't called out as it happened. I cannot imagine any legitimate purpose for that display, I would have left during that performance and not come back. Men's ministry is about leaving that lifestyle and honoring the Lord through obedience and holiness, not that garbage
Amen
Avoid every appearance of evil. It’s that simple.
Good for him. He was standing up for his faith and our values. Common sense 🤷♂️
You are 100% correct brother. It’s a shame he allegedly returned and apologized to Lindell on stage. Backtracking was a mistake in my opinion.
Maybe apologized for making that guy feel disrespected but hopefully not apologizing for obeying the Holy Spirit’s prompting!
Jesus didn't apologise when Gods house was turned into a den of thieves, and He called them out on it. Mark should not have apologised.
I do not believe for 1 second Mark apologized that's just propaganda
Looks like John Lindell is willing to do anything to get men to come to his conference.
Bayot ni nga pastor!
Does it have to be all about entertainment rather than being drawn by Holy Spirit?!
All the men should have stood up and left immediately!!!
Mark did the right thing. There has to be someone who leads against evil to encourage others to stand. Thank you Mark! God is your defense, no matter what the world might say.
Why was it ok for the stripper to be up there and do that. But it wasn’t ok for a Pastor to call it out? And was kicked out! That’s where we’re at in many churches! It made my stomach turn! I question the “Pastor” that book this opening show. I had a bad feeling right when he took of his shirt. That’s when the “Pastor” should of shouted out, YOUR DONE! Off the stage!! Pastor Mark was 100% right! God bless him! It was an offense against everyone there. Sad.
Amen, very well stated.
Whoever thought that was a good idea should have their head checked and good for Mark for standing up for what’s right!
Thank you for sharing the truth
Thank you very much! 💙
I’m very confused as to how someone thought that act would be okay for a CHRISTIAN MEN’S CONFERENCE. 👀
HERE is A WOMAN!!! TELLING LINDELL and all the so called MEN at this confrence...ENOUGH! WE are the Mothers and Wives ...Youd better cease and desist and REPENT of this EVIL. No mercy from THIS WOMAN! Good on this man of God who called this nastiness out.
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What Pastor Mark did was courageous and brings glory to God! I pray that this brings encouragement to all Christians and pastors
My hat goes off to Mark! He exhibits doctoral soundness; moral purity; and humility. A true Elijah spirit! ❤