How to turbo BMW m50/m52 engine, S02E05 Oil pump, clutch and gearbox.
2017 ж. 8 Нау.
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This time tie up some loose ends left last time and finalize the bottom end assembly by modifying the oil pump and installing last parts before head can go in. But before head installation, we bolt in the new flywheel and clutch. Then finally bolt the gearbox to the engine and lift it to the car.
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Lower timing chain kit: goo.gl/vokEEM
If you have m52 or m50 with newer style lower tensioner the kit: goo.gl/M26uUu
Flywheel: racehead.com.au/products-page/...
Pressure assembly: Sachs SRE 883082999765
Clutch disk: BMW part: 21211223679
GOOD WORK!! would love to see another m50/52 turbo build in e36!
Awesome channel love the videos 👍 from Hawaii!
love these videos
Hei,great video! From which engine you took that oil pump? Thank you for video !
Näitä on kyllä mukava kattoa :)
Vaik en autojen tekniikoista ymmärrä hirveästi, on näitä hiton viihdyttävää katsella. Loistavia videoita pazi88, jatkakaa samaan malliin :)
Kiitoksia. Siinähän sitä oppii, kun katsoo näitä :D Just muuten pistin seuraavan osan pihalle ;)
So i was right about the main studs, glad i got to help :)
Yeah thanks about that. We didn't measure the clearances with APR specified torques but those left small mark in one bearing. So good thing we didn't start the engine like that.
But this also makes no sense at all. As the bearing caps should bottom out no matter how much torque is on the bolts... Which means with that high torque on the main studs you are deforming the caps and/or the Block...
Yes absolutely, over 70Nm deforms the main caps.
Okay...
Can someone clarify what gearbox is best to use?
I have a 325i with m50 engine, can you help me saying where i can find all de torque for the original engine? the manpower in the Brasil is very poor
thanks
Good video, as always. Just one remark: pulling the engine and the gearbox together with the bolts is dangerous, because it's easy to break the gearbox housing.
yeah I know. And to be correct that wasn't even necessary. We needed to take that off and put back because on first time the clutch lever was in wrong place and it did push the clutch open when we bolted the gearbox. Second time it went in smoothly without forcing because I did put the lever on right place. But i didn't took video about that.
I love how the gearbox says: "No oil" in German. That gearbox is probably from a German wrecker I guess. Nice videos, keep up the good work!
aDaWaN Yes you are right. It was only ~100€ from german car wrecker.
Im ever more impressed with your work and dedication. Im juggling between building a 2jz based car or a m52. Mainly because steel block, aluminum head. Do you know how much the crank can take before it gives up the ghost?
I have never seen crank give up in m5x engine. Those seem to withstand quite big HP numbers. For example this over 1000 hp engine is still alive after 4 years: kzhead.info/sun/gbWTZ8x9sal3rXk/bejne.html
pazi88 I figured Bmw wouldn't be sleeping in the quality control department. The other thing that is drawing me to the m52 based car is the 4L30e auto in it already. It will be a dedicated drag car and auto is the only way. The 2Jz auto tranny doesn't seem to be as good. Lastly is the factory ecu tuning capabilities the Obd2 Ms41 has which 2Jz doesn't. My main objective is to use as much of the factory car as possible to keep costs down. Im not amuzed by buying a car and throwing most of it in the garbage after the build. What mods or horsepower have you seen out of the 4l30e after being built?
Yeah the ms41 tuning capabilities are very good for stock ECU. During spring I will tune one ms41 for turbo so I will probably post a video how I did it. In Finland almost no-one uses automatic transmissions. So I don't know how much that will withstand. But the technical data says: Maximum Engine Torque 350 Nm (258 lb-ft) Maximum Gearbox Input Torque 600 Nm (440 lb-ft) The maximum torque limits are only to be used as a guide and may not be applicable under certain conditions.
pazi88 Well i willl be patiently waiting for your videos. I appreciate you taking the time to do all this for enthusiasts. Alot of real info with no fluff. Thank you and cheers from Canada.
29:48 If you don't have already a clutch disc alignment tool to your garage, the aftermarket clutch replacement kit should have one inside the box of the product or if it came with it you should be able to use it
I have never bought aftermarket clutch kit so that's why we don't have the tool. We use stock clutches and billet flywheels.
I believe this will help you out eurocarparts.com - Sealey AK710 Universal Clutch Aligning Tool Set 17pc. Also you should use aftermarket performance clutches because your car the way you're buildin' it can't handle the entire power that it makes w/ stock clutches. No matter how lightweight the flywheel is
hello from Virginia, U.S.A. great videos. I'm a BMW tech by trade. where are you located? what is your language?
Located in Finland, and the language is finnish.
Yes that's right.
Hi Pazi, currently building a M54b30 turbo and I was wondering what the best gearbox to use is, is it just the standard ZF 5 speed or is there a certain one im looking for?
The 5-speed zf s5d-320z is really durable. But m54 can also come with 6-speed gs6-37bz which is also good gearbox for the purpose. At least in europe the diesel version (gs6-37dz) can be get for really cheap and it can be fitted with bit of custom fabrication.
@@pazi88thanks for the reply mate! I’ve had a look and in the uk the 37DZ is very cheap, what fabrication is needed in order to for it to fit.
@@pazi88 also was meant to put above its going in my 1988 e30
@@ryry4956 Pretty much same as I show here: kzhead.info/sun/m5tqkdh9jIuBqq8/bejne.html The 320Z would be bolt on with e36 328i parts.
"Hetkinen, sormi vuotaa apuasaatana" :D
korjaan sen kohta 😂😂
Joo ei sitä aina huomaa jos on tullut vähän ittiä telottua kun innoissaan väsää :D
joo välillä ehtii kaiken vereen sotkea ennenku huomaa 😅
pazi88 Tuttu tunne tosiaan :D, onneksi ei oo ainakaa sormi mädäntyny irti ku menee kaikkee mailman öljyjä sinne :D
Moottoriöljy on vissiin jotain desinfioivaa ainetta, kun ei mulla ainakaan moottoria rassatessa tulleet haavat oo tulehtunu :D
Where do you order all you parts? Such as bearing, tensioners etc? :)
Either at local auto-parts stores or from eBay. You can for example search for Febi-bilstein part numbers from their catalog and then search from ebay using that part number. The OEM parts we order from BMW dealerships from Germany.
Hey @pazi88 what kind of power will this clutch setup hold do you know? Thanks!
Power is bit wrong measurement for clutches, because you can have really puny clutch that can hold like 500hp, if the power comes at really high rpm (low torque high revving engine). For clutches torque is the real measurement. These sre-765 pressure assemblies are known to hold up to 900-1000nm of torque in regular pulls. So depending on the use, those can hold in really high hp setups. But then for example if you have sticky tires and try to launch the car with launch control including some boost, the cluch will slip even with 500-600nm.
@@pazi88Exactly what I'm struggling with. Everyone will qoute power but not torque figures. Does the friction material make much difference? I'm looking to use exactly what you have listed here, but can only estimate around 400hp, no idea about torque figure. But if this is what you're using, then it must be good!
Should have put a spot weld on the other side of the nut too to balance it out :D
Can you tell me what release bearing should have been used instead of welding on the fork. My clutch isn't disengaging
e21 323i. But we needed to use that release bearing anyway, because the welding itself wasn't enough. The clutch worked, but felt funky without.
@@pazi88 so either one from those car but will I need to weld my for too
If you have a broken gearbox, you can do a guide pin from it's main input shaft. At least that's what i did. :)
88Sam8888 I know. But we haven't broken single zf gearbox so.. :D
Time to get some Getrags then! :D :D :D
Minkä mallin öljypohja ja pumpun imuputki tässä on ? Kattelin vaan että imuputki ainakin ihan erilainen kun m50 e36 :ssa
e34 m50. e30:ssä ei voi käyttää e36:n öljypohjaa ja imuputkea.
Are you guys using aluminium flywheel? is it more responsive? :)
Christian Grytten It's made of Chrome-molly steel. But it's still quite light so the engine is very responsive. I'm not fan of those aluminium flywheels.
are those custom motor mounts that you are using?
No. Those are just stock e34 m50 rubber mounts. They fit right up, cheap and easy to get.
hi main stud kit is arp ? .is for m50 kit with engine girdle this stud its too short , what is this stud kit men ? thanks bro
Hi! Unfortunately I don't know what stud kit was provided with the girdle. I first though it was m50 kit, but that's too short.
@@pazi88 okey thanks
Whats that clutch rated for? Looks almost stock minus the springs
It's Sachs Race Engineering part number: 883082 999765 so it's basically m5 clutch from s38 engine with thicker springs. It's rated for 600Nm with organic clutch disk and 700Nm with sintered one. But people in Finland have used that with organic clutch disk in engines producing over 900Nm without it slipping. So it can handle lot of torque, and I think that next best thing will be expensive multi clutch disk setups.
Oh wow! Thats sick! Im suprised the organic can handle that much torque!
pazi88 Do you also have to run an S38 Clutch disk, flywheel, and starter? I’m really interested in this setup!
Pazi the subtitels are white on white background, can you change it?
MILOCOCKS You can change colours in the subtitle setting menu. Click the sprocket, go subtitles and then settings.
Thank you very much ! Keep up the good work.
that 10 mm always goes missing smh 😂😂😂👍
jeah allways
Nice content but will the clutch disk handle enough tourque?
And how long are those bolts for the flywheel?
Yes it did handle the torque just fine. Only started slipping after launching it hard with big drag slicks. And bolts are from m50 automatic.
pazi88 pazi88 Would you say its possible to ride with that Flywheel on a daily basis in Traffic Of course Just at Night. ? And why did you Not choose the heavy duty version? my flywheel and clutch are dead. Already slippin with stock power. And i only bought the car to turbo Build it so i guess i have to do the same Step. I‘m a little bit afraid because of the asjustments you did to the clutch Lever but learning By Doing. There is a one mass flywheel Kit from valeo but that trash wheits (does this word exist?) even more than dual mass. Thank you for your videos its entertaining and pretty useful
@@boxtrainer That is the heavy duty version of the RHD flywheel with Sachs SRE -765 pressure assembly which is the strongest one you can get for that flywheel. It's drive able in normal traffic, but the engine is really rev-happy, because the flywheel is so light. So you need some practice to use throttle. Also the SRE -765 pressure assembly is really stiff to use. The clutch pedal is about 3-times heavier than with stock clutch. But still drive able in normal traffic after some practice.
Hi Pazzi88, thanks for al the great input and ideas. I saw you are using a unspring clutch disc in this case. Is there a reason for choosing that one above Sachs 867?
Hey Pazi, i just "torqued" my oil pump sprocket. But iam a huge dumbass. My torquewrench does only work with right hand thread....i put like 30-50 Nm on it until i noticed that something has to be wrong...stupid mistake, i hope this post prevents someone in the future from the same mistake... I will be buying new pump rotor and nut now. Pazi how have you done it? Do you have a torque wrench for both directions? greetings from germany
Yes our other torque wrench also goes in other direction. I used the bigger one that works in both directions. We also made that mistake in our other engine but we just left it over torqued :D Bit of a gamble but it has worked several years without a problem. But getting new rotor and nut is a safer way.
Huhhuh, hyvä että huomasi kaveri että on liian kovat momentit teillä. siinä ois ollu ens kesälle ihmettelemistä ku alakerta samontein paskaksi :D
Hyvä että on tarkkasilmäisiä katsojia :D
Guys, I have a dual mass flywheel from m52b28 with less than 500 miles on it and It would be a waste if I couldnt use it anymore. Is it possible to use the dual mass for around 500whp or better to sell it and go for single flywheel? I have replaced the dmf, clutch and bosch started just before the headgasket went on my old 328 lol therefore it would be nice to use the flywheel with the m52 starter if possible. Thanks.
Patryk 500whp is +600 from crank. So no :D You need you get some single mass flywheel and heavy duty clutch assembly. There are flywheels that can use the stock starter like the RHD one that we got in this for example.
pazi88 Fair enough , I will be selling the DMF then so it is subject offer. It is a waste as I've spent so much on my n/a 2.8 and then gasket failed lol thanks a lot Pazi , you are really helpful mate ..
*subject over
mitä se aina sanoo tossa alussa? "sipan jatkepaja"?
Sitäpä juuri.
paljonkos oli momenttia kun laitoitte sen vauhtipyörän kiinni ?
Капа и Картель 110Nm ja vähän päälle.
pazi88 kiitoksia
what engine rubber mounts do you use?
WrEeken e34 m50 rubber mounts reversed.
what do you mean with reversed? upside down or what?
Eeken98 No. The mounting bolts go to the guide holes in e30 crosmember and guide pin goes to the mounting bolt hole. Perfect fit like that.
Can someone clarify what gearbox is best to use?
Sam Vernon zf 320z
you can also use ZF 310z
Alkaisitko millon kasaa RB26 moottoreita? Ois kiva
SuperKanuuna En varmaan ikinä. Ovat liian kalliita mulle :D
pazi88 Heh, no multa saat sitkun oma paukahtaa niin harjotus kappaleeks !
What oil pump is that?
As I said in the video. I installed the m52 oil pump.
Thanks. Im right now swapping a m52b28 into my 318i e46. I will weld the oil pump nut on aswell. I think I will cancel the oil vapors going back into the intake, any other suggestions?
If you keep in N/A, then you don't need to touch the breather system. It's quite good system keeping all the smells inside the engine. In turbo setups you normally need to use open breather system and those tend to smell bad when the car idles without moving.
Is this for an e30?
JOKER 96 Yes it is.
What sump and oil pick up did you use ? Thanks
e34 pickup and sump.
You work for nokia ?
michaelovitch No. Used to work.
Sorry (Hi about my English)