Fixing my VW T5 Van AC System - Edd China's Workshop Diaries 47
Who needs refreshing cold air on a hot day? Well, I need it after this job for sure! Chasing a little problem has turned out to be quite a big fix and there is no denying the fact that taking on stupid is often very frustrating but by keeping at it with a cool head, usually brings success. Usually.
Edd China's Workshop Diaries Episode 47 - Sorting out more of the AC system on my VW T5 Van.
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Great episode, but as I was watching you take out all the bolts and hoses, and disconnecting all the wires, I couldn't help but think that you would do less work--and spend less time--to get the engine out of a Beetle. (A REAL Beetle--air-cooled.) I'm not sure that's really "progress" on VW's part...
Please be careful and everything else while your doing that. It’s a very nice thing you’re doing but we want you and Paul to come home safely, I think it will be fine.
Hey Edd, what oscilloscope are you using in the previous few videos?
Is there any need for extra drivers?
And I know you're properly old school and we love that, but why on earth aren't you using a right angle powered ratchet or just a battery impact gun for whenever you have more than one nut or bolt edd?
The music really makes your videos even more enchanting and enjoyable.
What a monumental faff! Who would buy a VW van (T5?) after seeing this? I admire your unbounded perseverance but I swear I saw you roll your eyes as each new issue manifested itself.
I always moan about the location Honda placed the oil filter in my Civic. After watching this video, I will stop moaning.
When you ever see an engine full of spilled oil and rusted bolts which looks like a million miles and obvoiusly no maintenance you should refuse buying it whatever make it would be.
I have T5 Multivan 2.5. I bought it with 135k(km) and now it has 400k. Nothing really serious. It does have quirks and some silly engineering, but I love driving it.
Marveling at Edd's ability to hold a cup of coffee completely level while talking, without actually looking at it.
Lol. Reminds.me of my late Nan. She had an open fire in her living room. And when we were chatting she would throw stuff into it..paper, food whatever. Anyways she'd do this while looking at you talking! Was a perfect shot lol....
Oohhhh the joys of owning a Volkswagen!! I have for my sins a 2001 Passat TDI 130 sport 6 speed manual and I live in New Zealand ( another sin so it seems) who only seem to know about autos (spit split) so compound your problems with living at the arse end of the world with a car with problems and vertically no one with any idea to help fix it!!! Thank the gods for the postal service and people in the UK willing to help. HELP! Love your channel and looking forward to more cool content from you boys 😁👍
“Firing the parts cannon, Captain!”
you are an very genious edd! ad you are an very expert mechanic! good job edd!
Blow the van up, blow the van up!
As an ex Spanner Juggler, this is why repair cost so much everything is buried behind or under several other components, engineers verses mechanics, Engineers design things that some poor sod needs to fix eg the Mechanic. Good job Edd. I can understand why some just leave the aircon not working and open the windows.
you forget about the accountants
Actually, the way modern vehicles are designed is to be assembled as quickly as possible with as few assembly steps as possible to satisfy the bean counters and the shareholders.
Had the same feeling the longer my apprenticeship got. It felt like whatever part you had to work on, the rest of the car was designed around it to have a maximum of crap to remove before even getting the the part that needs working on.
Design for manufacture
I'll also add that manufacturers, especially VAG, design their cars in way that only certified mechanics are intended to service them. The average Joe at home doesn't have a lot of the specialty tools necessary for something as simple as a door lock module replacement (requires triple squares, VAGCOM programming, knowledge of only turning door lock retainer screws part way, etc). The days of a simple truck that can be fixed with a basic tool set have long sailed.
Love the "Can't argue with " mug. Just like the t-shirt Mike couldn't avoid in Season 15 episode 1. 🤣 That's probably the most epic *legitimate* troll I've ever seen on a tv show, btw! That's the season where you could start to see the writing on the wall!
As an aside- if a fan has uneven fan blade spacing, it is usually to reduce noise issues. The fan will not have a regular frequency which can cause resonances problems and annoying buzzing or beating.
Thanks, you saved me a search! Is there some disadvantage to this design? Wondering why they don't just do it on all fan blade assemblies.
They are just a bit trickier to design as the blades have to be placed so that the centre of mass stays on the fan axis so as to minimise vibration. I suppose it’s only done if you find a noise problem otherwise keep the fan simple.
You will find the same thing on tyres, the tread blocks will be unevenly spaced to reduce road noise
My old 300SDL had this design pretty quiet fan.
A beautiful bit of diagnostic logic.
the worst I have ever seen
Having worked on many cars and motorcycles, I can honestly say working under the bonnet of my VW T5 has to be the worst. It’s like vw challenged their engineers to make a vehicle that is a complete bastard to work on. I have thought about setting fire to mine a few times!!🤬😂
I got that same feeling watching this episode.
My mechanic winced when I told him I was considering a Eurovan. I bought a 1988 Vanagon instead and do my own work.
T5 is a picnic compared to a chargecooled T6 or T7 though! 🙈
I really don't see why everyone thinks T5 and T6 are a nightmare to work on ?,when compared to the likes of Renault, Peugeot and Transit vans !
I've started, so I'll finish. Unbelievable the issues with that AC unit. The costs would be so great if put into a garage to fix, it would be cheaper to get a new van. However, if anyone can fix it, then Edd can - we await the good news next week.
Great show Edd👍👍👍
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What an amazingly obtuse bit of engineering! VW has made a van that manages to make a Citroen SM look simple to work on by comparison!
Best ad ever for a Ford Transit van (or any other marque other than POSVW).
The lengths some manufacturers go to in order to save money in assembly is astounding. I've no doubt that engineers pointed out the near impossibility of repairs, or at least the very complicated sequence to repair. As a comparison, about 25 years ago I worked for a couple of different car dealerships here in Australia doing things like pre-delivery inspections and fitting accessories over the course of about 6 years. I mostly worked on 3 brands. Subaru, Mitsubishi and Holden. The Subi and Mitsi were dead easy to fit genuine aircon systems to. This was a time when here in Australia, even though it's hot enough to justify aircon straight up, it was still an option on many models. In rough terms, somewhere between about an hour to an hour and a half from opening the box of bits, to driving the car out of the workshop. That included fitting thr compressor and bracket as necessary, any belys and pulleys, the evaporator under the dash - in both cases, that was a less than 10 minute job on it's own - all of the pipes, sondenser, receiver/dryer, plugging in the wiring (very straightforward on both) fitting up the vaccuum pump and testing, charging the system and testing for output temperature. Nice easy job on brand new vehicles, systems designed to be fitted and worked on independently from assembly. Holden was another matter altogether. If you bought a Commodore without aircon and wanted it fitted, the car was in the workshop for nearly two full days. To fit the evaporator under the dash, the entire dash had to be removed. The time Holden said the job should take for that dash remove/refit alone was 8 hours. I saw two of these have to occur where cars came without aircon but it was required, and I never saw a dash removed and refit inside of a complete work day. With TWO Holden factory technicians on the job. These guys weren't stupid or slack, it was just that much of a job. Now, unless you're buying the very bottom model of the very cheapest cars on the market, I don't think anything comes without A/C these days. I wonder though how many of them will turn out to be like this job for Edd though. I'd estimate he's at least 8 to 10 hours deep in the job now, fitted heaps of new parts but it's still not right. And he's no idiot. It's worth it to him to keep going because he doesn't have to pay for labour, but as has been said, I wonder how many owners will get a rough estimate to start with, beginning at somewhere around $500 or so to budget for a few hours worth of labour to diagnose and repair, and an educated guess at some parts and even then balk at the thought of it escalating to $1500 to $2000 or even beyond when good old windows open was largely good enough for our parents.
The trouble with A/C is once you have had it you never want to go back. In the UK its not so much cooling the car which is great for both weeks of our summer but the near instant demisting of the car when it rains which is frequent.
in this case the boys proved they don't have a clue about AC Diag and just threw parts at it and it's still not done
Very good Edd
A man with a plan for a fan in a van.
I used to think I was a very patient man but after watching this episode.....my hat is well and truly off to you Mr China. Until next time.
I really do enjoy these Workshop Diaries Mr China! Keep 'em coming 👍
The layout of the engine compartment of that van can only be described as nightmarish. Nice fuse location. Nice.. everything! Great video tho Edd
Fair play to edd. Not a single swear word 🤣
If it was me, the swearing would be phenomenal.
This is a perfect example of a case of the “might as wells”. With this many miles on it, and the Rubik’s cube design, you might as well swap out as many hidden parts as possible.
ya if youtube is paying for it...this is the worst diag I have ever seen....goes around the block 3 times and they diagned nothing.
@White Monkey, yup and it was only luck that the compressor kicked in after its replacement as seen by the relief by dancing around when the gauges started to move. Didn’t show the new compressor being spun over as it would have done the same as the old one. No technical diagnosis, just replace with shiny bits?? Not one of his better videos for me, I will stick with Mechanic Mindset, ATS’s Bernie Thompson Scanner Danner and Steve at Simply Diagnostic to fill my tiny brain with expert diagnostic techniques. This was a Halfords special, weekend DIYer repair in comparison, but that is only my own opinion which usually means nothing anyway.
@@Flyingspann3r I agree that his path to problems is often the long way around. I like to think this is so he can show different testing technics rather than just fixing the problem.
@@21jimmyo I would like to think so too, but if that is the case, how many hobbyists have a bench power supply or compressed air. I would have thought he would show how to fabricate a protected circuit with insulation protection on the terminals to avoid shorts when powering components on the bench. So I can’t make my mind up which way they are pitching this particular video (others I’ve seen are fine, but very few would be able to afford a laser cleaning rig😳), which is why I was confused with the direction this and the previous AC video took. Hardly a diy job as to recover R134a you need specialist kit and an F gas handling certificate as a minimum. He also has the luxury of a ramp and workshop, if it is directed towards professional mechanics/technicians/grease monkeys or what ever you want to call us, it falls woefully short.
Hello Ed, just one more problem solved and then comes another to make It more mysterious, well why if it`s easy it doesn't give that satisfaction to beat the failures.good luck I like the challenge and your sense of humor.to get things done.🇬🇧☮🍀🙏🏻🇳🇴 Greetings HCS
Great team keep up the great work boys
for a man who has never had a car . I cant get enough of watching car programmes . loved Edd in wheeler dealers . and this with the addition of Paul is brilliant . bell been hit and subscribed . KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK .
Lovely gesture to do the trip to the Ukraine lads, acts of kindness like that restore my faith in the human race. The very best of wishes and stay safe 👏
Just hope you the vehicle they drive in has AC🤣
Good luck next time Edd! 👍😁
Nice episode folks! Love 2000's vw
What a lovely piece of German Engineering...
A heroic amount of work going into this van.
Always fun to see Edd’s latest adventure, but man does this one make me never ever want to own a VW. Toyotas and Hondas may be boring but soooooooo much easier to work on.
Just watched your cameo in Car SOS with Tim & Fuzz... loved it...well done Edd. 👍
Thank you edd. Good job 👏
VW were famous for their engineering simplicity. Vehicles that were easy to maintain. Those days are clearly gone. Although the latest vans have all the bells and whistles I think I will stick to my 1972 camper. If I want some cold air I will just wind down the window.
Keep at it Edd 💪👍
As usual great video. Paul has a super memory. My comment is related to your tool Ask Ed section. One thing to remember is if you are going down the route of air tools as I did you must have an adequate volume of air storage. I made the mistake of purchasing a 25litre compressor and a load of air tools and on using my air grinder it emptied the tank in about two seconds. And the compressor could not keep up with it. It’s ok with nail guns etc but not any rotating tools. I now have to make the decision of getting an add on vessel for extra storage or a larger compressor. Just a warning for any of your subscribers going down my route
Tanks Edd and Paul👍🥰🍺🍺👌
what a pure meditation experience watching this is.
Never thought one could get so much pleasure from watching bolts being unscrewed on youtube..🤣 that is what I am missing from the "newer" wheeler dealers. I do enjoy your attention to the detail and appreciate those shots must be taking some time to get perfect so thank you! A bit of rust here and there on the Transporter isn't there..
Nice job Edd.
I definitely want credit for attending your classes. You explain everything in minute detail and I love it.
Parts cannon working well there
Brilliant new vid edd. Thank you. Every time I went for the remote to skip a little you started playing at 3x. 👌🏼
Can’t help but feel you need the ‘Right said Fred’ Bernard Cribbins track running in the background on this particular project
Be worth looking into the VW service pins, they allow the front end to move out and may have let you get the fans off without removing anything else.
I love these problem solving videos Edd, great work. Please can we in the future see you spend a day helping Paul in his workshop! this I think will be just as interesting.
My word, what a nightmare!! I stay 100 meters away from any air conditioners. I don't mess with them a bit and this is exactly why!! Great work tho!
Ed When disconnecctin a Battery always do the negative first, if you spanner hits the chassis with the it does not matter once the negative is disconnected it does not matter if the postive touches the chassis - Postive first and the spanner touches a BIG BANG! - reconnect the reverse + first
Most fun series of videos yet. Not just cause I also have a T5 so it's useful potential info but just love the prolonged oorblem solving. No jazzing up, just trying something, explaining what it's supposed to do and moving onto the next thing when it doesn't work.
don't use this to learn by...it's terrible
Those are some interesting looking fuses, I've never had to work on a car that has that style of fuse.
What an insane place to put fuses....
This is frikin epic!
Edd you know you’re the legend! I really like the chemistry between you and Paul. He’s a great addition to your channel!
Awesome in depth as always Edd, std bs with modern ish cars, they’re a bloody nightmare!!! I spent 25yrs so far having to explain to customers why their bills were high….. they should watch this and save me having to explain! Funniest one was a customer that with a water leak into the interior of the car asked “why can’t you use the computer to tell you where it is?!” I did smile but was laughing inside! I simply said computers help techs go in the right direction but sorry technology isn’t that advanced as yet🤷♂️😂
Just had to call out the excellent pacing in the edit on the ‘working’ segments. It’s too easy to fast cut/ramp them these days, very well restrained and regulated to whomever is doing the cutting. Cheers.
Ed if those screws weren't so badly corroded, you could potentially put a dob of valve grinding paste into the heads (maybe wire wheel the detritus out of them first) and then knock the socket into it - which will give the screw a death grip onto the socket so you can apply Mr Muscles to the wrench and break them loose!
It will be interesting (frightening?) to know how much this diagnosis, repair, send off anything to a third party would cost, parts and labour. It would definitely be scary.
I chased a fault in my old car's AC for months before I just gave up. I feel the frustration Edd, I do. (One day the AC just stopped working and nothing I did made it work. System held pressure fine. Relay was fine. Temp sensor replaced. Switch in the dash replaced. Fans replaced. Nothing. I gave up. A few months later, the AC just randomly kicked in again, without me doing anything. I was driving along and suddenly I could smell that faint AC air smell. I stopped the car, turned the AC button off and heard the click of the compressor pump, turned the AC back on, sure enough, the click from the clutch again. Worked all day. Was marvellous. Then the next morning, nothing again. Oh well. Car ended up being scrapped a year later when I got a newer car.)
Edd, you are still the best mechanic on youtube.
@ Art Layton. Yes, Edd is good but Sreten on M539 Restorations is probably the best, his attention to detail is bordering on OCD.
you are amazing edd china the best 😍😻
Great perseverance to sort out the problem Edd - and informative too. I got rid of my 2012 T5 after changing the alternator cost nearly £500 because the garage had to remove the whole front of the van to do so. Stupid design. Not to mention a ridiculously complicated and expensive wing mirror replacement. Now got a more simple 2009 T5 1.9 and happier with it. Progress at VW means over engineering and complicated repairs. Buyer beware.....
Quality German engineering. The same materials as any other vehicle, just assembled in a way that is unnecessarily complicated. I bet if you found the manual to replace this fan the first steps would be; 1) Clear calendar for 6 weeks 2) Clean workshop area and polish tools 3) Check spring tension on bonnet release latch 4) Check for corrosion on cooling assembly bolts and screws. 5) Scrape corrosion sample and send to laboratory for analysis on torque required for removal.
Best "German-engineering" quip ever. Thank you for making my day.
Brilliant!!
Great video Edd. Also a big hello to Paul. I really really enjoy these type of repair videos. Too bad that you can like the video only once because I watch the video when it comes out and then again later because I might have missed something and I always learn from it. Keep up the good work.
Hell of a job just for a fan.
Side Note: on Heating and Cooling. I made a comment on a previous video. Towards the end of the comment I mentioned how I needed to replace my heater core in my 2009 Nissan Frontier. Turns out there was a leak in one of the hoses that heads through the firewall. Cheap fix, thankfully (around $30). Then one morning when I got home I had steam coming up from under the hood on the passenger side (right side here in the States). The other hose (a mix of plastic and metal) gave out. Replaced that too (new parts don't contain plastic, just aluminum), a $20 dollar fix. In all that I discovered that the heater core wasn't working because I had enough coolant to keep the engine temp down, but not enough to flow through the heater core. Once everything was back together and I had the right amount of fluid, the heater worked great. Just goes to show how 'diagnosing' a problem can take a bit, but persistence ( and the clue of steam) gives way to getting it done right. Thanks Ed for that. So now I don't need help replacing the heater core, so you can just come over for tea and biscuits. It's Florida, so wear shorts.
TOP TIP - I keep the tops off old aerosol cans to use as organisers for the little parts that get removed from the cars I work on. Costs nothing and they are just the right size for most jobs. Easy to wipe out and use another day.
You are a true engine artist, your programs are too short for us. Greetings from Andalusia, Spain.
Great video 👍Todd try glue pulling the door as Hyundai weld stud pulling puts holes in the metal, stew's looking clean😊
That Detonator looks very attractive right about now :)
Bonita camiseta! CAMINO ABIERTO... Y EN ESPAÑOL!
Edd has far more patience than I could ever hope to have! In a nutshell this is exactly why I utterly despise modern vehicles with all their ludicrous complicated systems. A friend recently made the observation that I have never owned a vehicle built this century and this is exactly why!
Might as well go the whole hog and strip the van from the front right back to exhaust tip to change a fan. VW really did a number on this!
A couple things that you may consider with doing another radiator fan replacement. Id replace both of them as the work to do one was pretty time consuming. Also, before putting it all back together would be to test the fans just to make sure the new fans work. They sure put that unit in together as one and a pain to take apart.
nice to see you can just replace the individual fans and not have to replace the whole unit love watching your videos Edd always learning new things
The most important lesson I learned is...stay away from T5's. I was pretty much convinced when Edd had to remove the bumper to change the oil filter...but having to remove the battery, battery tray and yet another plate...put the final nails into any dreams I might ever have, to own a T5. And I thought my 2000 Volvo V70 was a pain to work on. Yikes.
You are a saint to put up with VW engineering.
Edd you’ve got amazing patience I’d have lost the Will to live long ago!
VCDS Scan software tool allows the testing of many components (by actuating them via the ECU) , including the AC valve while all conneted to the vehicle. Can make diagnosstics much quicker. :)
In the interest of being green I think all cars should work on a universal data port, you should never need a manufacturer only software to diagnose a vehicle, Snap-On is good but way beyond the average home mechanic, many manufacturers only lease the diagnostic software to motor repair shops, many home scan machines will only give very basic information, it should be simple to scan find the codes for errors and fix, to keep vehicles running cleanly for as long as possible
@@Taz6688 they do. end of story. all vehicles have to have ODB2 compliance after 2000
@@whitemonkey7932 You have some limited communication with some tools, but in many cases third party readers will not access all the functions a dealer suite can do, I have 4 readers each will do something, none will do it all, and I refuse to buy cheap hacked copies from china
After having seen friends working on VW's I am not at all surprised how archaic this car is put together, vw-mechanics deserve every cent of their salary.
What an absolute palaver that AC is!!!
o no, breath, you will get it. enjoying the video, thanks :)
You could fix the pacemaker with the lazerrrrrrr 😂😂😂
13:24 Top tip: if you need to re-use the part and don't want to risk cutting into it, you can drill the heads off a screw with a good, sharp drill bit. Especially a Torx or hex head, as it centers the drill nicely. The tapered drill bit will reach the shaft of the screw before it starts cutting into the material. This method also doesn't create any sparks, which can be nice in certain situations. Do not try this with a worn drill bit, as it will wander and cut into the part.
That dead fan and blown fuse may well be the reason the air conditioner isn't working. I have a VW Jetta that had a seized fan and blown fuse. For that reason, the air conditioning did not work until I was driving on the highway. On the first really hot summer day after I bought the car, it also overheated in stop-and-go traffic. At that point, airflow alone did all the cooling. Once that mess was fixed, the engine stayed cool and the AC worked.
very long shot been watching your series from day number one from when you started wheeler dealers to auto trader back wheeler dealers to work shop diary's such a fan your reason I love cars now I'm currently in progress nearly finishing my own project would mean world if I could get autograph I could glue to dash board
Great episode! Decades ago I had a Mitsubishi whose screws and bolts were invariably rusted beyond use. I eventually started replacing small fasteners with stainless steel stuff. I thanked myself every time I redid things.
As always, great video Edd and team. I always learn something new from your videos. Thank you very much from sunny Spain. Cheers.
Should have tried operating the original compressor with external power supply before replacing it. Now make sure to check the continuity on the wires leading to the AC controller before replacing it :-).
Came here to say this, as clearly the issue is still present and elsewhere.
brilliant video .
Used to work at a garage that specialised in vw couldn’t believe how complicated they made things and how easily they rusted and how easy there plastics broke
*their
@Patrick Barber >>> Well that how they all gone manufacture wise, cheap over priced & designed to need to replace *plastic parts + extras* just for a simple repair !!! It was done on purpose for pure profit & *DEALER ONLY PARTS/REPROGRAMMING* That why they only last a average life span of 8-10yr before they become money pits. Advice buy a classic car & upgrade it ! It plenty cheaper & you can work on yourself with no fancy electronic controls !! unlike today's rubbish.
nice job Edd don't be in a hurry do it right
Well Edd that is a heck of a lot of work not to mention hours & hours of your time (and I’m not even talking about all the filming and research that goes into this kind of issue) mass credit to you and your team for following this issue all the way through! A heck of a lot more than any other TV or You Tube channel would go through!
"a donut with some teeth on the inside", what a lovely image
Personally I would have replaced both fans. When you've evacuated your AC and coolant last thing you want to do is have to go through the pain a second time.
And replace all the coolant hoses, just so you don't have to go there again any time soon.
Personally, the easiest thing to do is never park a VW in the driveway.
Definitely, no brainer. They can’t be that expensive and they probably will wear out equally-ish. The other one looked quite rusty as well
@@jagboy69 Where would you park it then?
@@HansDelbruck53 Either YOUR driveway or the junk yard. Today's VW is garbage. They can keep their trash.
Love watching you persevere with this fix. What a hassle. I’m sure we’ve all been there at some point, feeling the pain. Looking forward to the resolution. 👍🏻
Fantastic work Edd your experience is phenomenal and its a real pleasure to watch you work your way through all the issues