The Greatest Heisman Controversies
2021 ж. 3 Ақп.
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ESPN college football panelists debate the Greatest Heisman Controversies and the differences they inspire. (My personal pet peeve is Archie Griffin winning a second Heisman despite glaringly weak statistical comparisons to either Chuck Muncie or Ricky Bell.) This is a video produced and owned by ESPN. All revenue derived from its viewing pass through to ESPN.
Having seen this, here are my thoughts: 1. Keep it a regular season award. I'm aware of what Vince Young and DeShaun Watson did in their respective years, but it would be too much prisoner of the moment, giving it to a player who won the national title or played in the title game. Sometimes the best players don't play on those teams. 2. The most egregiously bad ones were -Jim Brown not winning and giving it to Paul Hornung on a 2-8 Notre Dame team (for reasons that anyone who knows anything about American history should figure out) - George Rogers over Herschel Walker. I don't care if he was a freshman and hadn't "paid his dues." He truly was the best, and the fact their teams played makes it worse since Walker had a much better game. - Jason White over Larry Fitzgerald. I'm disgusted by that one to this day. - Mark Ingram over Ndamukong Suh. Like one of them said, Woodson was the 1st primarily defensive player to win, he should've been the 2nd. He terrorized opposing offenses. 3. Charles Woodson over Peyton Manning isn't that controversial to me. Charles was a playmaker on defense primarily, but was also amazing in special teams and even took a few snaps on offense. He truly was the best football player. 4. I agree with a couple of them who said Reggie Bush shouldn't have had to give it back. He won it on the field, it's not like he tested positive for steroids or something even if he got caught up by the NCAA. Someone raised the point, how many Heisman winners broke NCAA rules, but we just didn't know about it? 5. Here are a couple I thought they missed. - Gino Torretta over Marshall Faulk in 1992, similar to 2003 White over Fitzgerald. QB on a brand name program (Torretta, Miami) over a better more dynamic player from a lesser known (Faulk, San Diego State). - Ron Dayne should thank the good Lord Peter Warrick got caught shoplifting and got suspended for a couple of games as a result because he looked like he was running away with it in 99. PS: I agree with your point about Archie Griffin. I can think of a few players who were more deserving of winning 2 Heismans than him. Nothing personal, but that's just crazy to me too.
No mention of DMAC getting screwed twice
100% agree with Suh not winning is a frick’n travesty. He was so dominant, should’ve been an easy vote for him to win.
Watching Paul finebaum lobby for Peyton manning is hilarious. His Tennessee bias is unmatched
THE ONE GUY WHO REALLY DESERVES EVERYONES VOTE WAS MARCUS ALLEN AT USC. HE WAS THE FIRST TO RUSH 200+ YARDS A GAME FOR 9+ STRAIGHT GAMES. UNBELIEVABLE.
What about HUGE GREEN in 80!!!!!?
So this dude said, "Reggie Bush should give his Heisman trophy back, however O.J. Simpson should keep his Heisman????. WTF? Damn it's a crazy world. 🤪
I agree with Heather at 5:42.
How about first cutting the field down to 10 and later picking the winner through the Alternative Vote.
Manning lost to a defensive player from Michigan but his name was Charles Woodson not Desmond Howard. You just mentioned Desmond Howard on the clip before about Larry Fitzgerald so maybe that's why you made that mix up? Thanks for this video, well done and I like stuff like this. Really good video overall. Christian McCaffrey snub was unbelievable to me at the time but after hearing your stats, it's even more unbelievable. Almost 4k yards of total offense? That's nuts. Jim Brown obviously did not win because of his race and the time. 50s was still an openly racist time but Paul Hornung who had 4 times the interceptions as TDs? That's some stupid stuff. Totally forgot about Toby Gearhart. Another completely unreal snub. Heisman is for the best player, not best player on the next team so team record shouldn't be that big of a turning point unless your team is completely despicable but that's just my opinion. I'd have liked to have seen KiJana Carter of Penn State 1994 added to their list. Carter should have won instead of Rashaan Salaam. 7.8 yds per carry is unreal. Salaam Carried the ball 100 more time than Carter and had 2000 yds but Carter had 1600+ yds and 7.8 yds per carry! 24td to 23td is close but again, that's on 100 carries difference. Penn State had 22 rush TDs from other players and another 1200 yds where Buffs had about the same yardage but 6 less rush TDs from other players than Salaam so Carter could have put up 30 TDs and 2000 yds easily If PSU wasn't so loaded with talent that year. Collins passed for about 700 more yds than Stewart of CO and the 21 to 10 TD passes difference again shows that if PSU had ran the ball more, Carter could have legitimately put up a 2250 yd season and about 35 rushing TDs would have been possible hypothetically if you give Carter the same approx number of carries. Also his team should have won the national championship that year so that's a great year from a guy on a deeply talented squad with high stakes football games being played at the highest level. Salaam also had a great year for a great team but I still can't get over 7.8 yds per carry. Thanks again for the video.
Reggie bush: “he had a runaway year. 1700 yards, that’s a great career.” Mark Ingram: “he had what? 1700 yards? That’s an alright year.” Make it make sense
The 2007 Heisman race was a total popularity contest. Talk about greatest snubs. Darren McFadden should've won it 2007. He was hands down the best player that season. Dude damn near beat the National Champs LSU by himself. Arkansas wouldn't have won that game had it not been for Run DMC.
I agree with Holly at 4:50
I think Lamar earned it in 16, btw if Kenny Picket or Kenneth Walker dont win heisman the awrd isnt for best player
They diddnt
The best way to choose the Heisman winner is to only have the past winners and present head coaches do the voting. The writers clearly are consistently wrong.
I LOVE BO, GREAT MAN. CLASS ACT. ANYONE WHO KNOWS FOOTBALL TALENT..... UNDERSTANDS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GREAT "FOOTBALL PLAYER" VS JUST SPEED AND POWER. MARTY SHOTENHEIMER (SP??) SAID "IF GOD MADE A FOOTBALL PLAYER HED MAKE MARCUS ALLEN". I LOVE BO. BUT IF I HAD TO PICK THREE RUNNING BACKS TO WIN A GAME FOR MY LIFE?? ID PICK BARRY SAUNDERS, MARCUS ALLEN, ZONKA AS MY FULKBACK. MARCUS CAN BLOCK, RUN, RECEIVE, EVEN PLAY QB. HE WAS RECRUITED TO USC AS A SAFETY. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME DEFENSIVE BACKFIELD WITH RONNY LOTT, JOEY BROWNER, DENNIS SMITH. ALL PRO BOWLERS!!!! PLUS IF YOUVE NEVER HUNG OUT W MARCUS?? I WAS SHOCKED THE FIRST TIME I MET HIM. HES SO MUCH BIGGER THAN HE LOOKS ON TV. HES A VERY TALL 6'2" WITH HUGE LEGS. VERY IMPRESSIVE. PLUS HES EXTREMELY NICE AND THOUGHTFUL. NOT A BIG HEAD OR SELFISH WHATSOEVER. PEACE
ingram should not have won. shouuld have been suh or mccoy
Lou Holtz talking about “the power of Notre Dame” 😭 like no grandpa thats the power of RACISM in the 1950’s
vince should have won
WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY TALK ABOUT COLT BRENNEN'S RECORD BREAKING/SETTING JR. YEAR WHEN HE WAS ROBBED OF THE HEISMAN!!!!!