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Well, it seems the disaster of Morbius wasn't enough for Sony and their Spider-Man Cinematic Universe. Madame Web is Sony's latest attempt at expanding their Spider-Verse and while there was potential to make a self-contained psychological thriller about found family and trauma, the film we got...let's just say Madame Web is a DISASTER. Hell, Madame Web is so bad it's good! Madame Web is a DISASTERPIECE. Madame Web is not only a bad movie, Madame Web is one of the worst comic book movies of all time and the primary reason has to do with the fact that Sony didn't have an ounce of care for the character and is entirely too obsessed with building out a mythology for Spider-Man when he doesn't need one. It robs the character of everything that makes him, him. However, it's therefore strange that I walked away, dare I say, enjoying Madame Web? I liked Madame Web for all of the wrong reasons, but perhaps there's something to the idea of a piece of art that is so ill-conceived, so cynical and shameless, that it backfires into becoming something hilariously great. Dakota Johnson KNEW she was making trash and so her self awareness assists in making Madame Web, a movie that is so deathly self-serious with one of the worst comic book villains ever put to screen, amusing to watch. Add in a shameless amount of Pepsi product placement and we have this abomination. Still, there's no denying that Sony simply saw Jared Leto's Morbius as a means to expand spiderman adjacent characters and create a universe that piggybacks off of the mostly solid foundation of the MCU. Hell, even Sydney Sweeney and Dakota Johnson thought they were signing up to be a part of the MCU before Sony pulled the rug out from underneath them. On top of Madame Web being an incredibly cynical piece of content, it hardly does enough to be considered a film. All in all...Madame Web is just another cheap ploy from Sony as they prey upon the goodwill of Spider-Man fans. Griffin (@griffschiller) gives you his Madame Web review and explains Sony's HUGE Spider-Man Problem, how Madame Web played Spider-Man fans, why Madame Web is BAD, and maybe why Madame Web is the worst comic book film of all time, yet is hilariously entertaining. Kevin Feige...RUN!
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Cassandra Webb is a New York City paramedic who starts to show signs of clairvoyance. Forced to confront revelations about her past, she must protect three young women from a mysterious adversary who wants them dead. Madame Web is directed by S. J. Clarkson (in her feature directorial debut) from a screenplay she co-wrote with Claire Parker and the writing team of Matt Sazama and Burk Sharpless. It stars Dakota Johnson in the title role, alongside Sydney Sweeney, Celeste O'Connor, Isabela Merced, Tahar Rahim, Mike Epps, Emma Roberts, and Adam Scott.
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The Sonic Anime called "Sonic X" is better than Madame Web. What do you think?
Did the show runners from the 90s show know we would have to suffer through a madame web movie, cuz that quick scene just perfectly encapsulates the audience reaction 😂😂😂😭😭😭 Web can see the multiverse yet couldn't predict the atrociousness of the film
Madame Webb is awful but Sony can do way better
Watch the porn parody the acting in that film is 10 times better then the madam web one
Pepsiman
the fact that the pepsi sign killed the main villain along with a ton of the other insane things that happen kinda makes me think the people making this film knew what they were doing and were in on the joke. there's no way you can make a film this absurdly dumb and not be self-aware about it
Well... It was skittles last time And that one donut shop This is common atp
And there's seriously people who think that these people can beat the 3 Spider-Men lmfao
Dakota couldn't even name 1 of Spider-Man's movies. She couldn't name an MCU film...yet, she believed that she was entering THE MCU. Unbelievable 😂
i feel like it may be more like they were led to believe that as opposed to just assuming
She fired her agents. Apparently they lead her into thinking it was the MCU. You know, easy money for fun stuff that's usually not god-awful.
Whoops! Sorry, messed up on a credit. Craig Mazin didn't write Movie 43, he wrote the bad Hangover sequels and other c-tier comedies in the early 00s. Didn't catch that until the video went live. FORGIVE ME!
I glad I almost didn’t watch this woman m she u movie 😊
@@CB-gv4ybLet's hope you use that time responsibly and talk to some people outside of your house.
He wrote the Scary Movie sequels, so that isn't the outrageous claim you're making it out to be
And you made the mistake of saying that the writers are pretty good; and how good the director is
@@CB-gv4ybbruh it ain't mcu the joke doesn't work
It’s funny how the original story likely started as a terminator style film with Ezekiel going after baby Peter. Honestly, despite me hating the spider totems and Peter being destined to be spider-man and all that… that plot sounds like it could be really fun if done right honestly
If it had actually stuck with that, I would've been very down because there's a clear connection between Cassie being born during the death of her mom and then trying to prevent Peter from undergoing the same thing or worse, Mary losing Peter. Just very strange decisions were made lol.
If she was trying to save Peter just cos of it, and only at the end she learned/saw what he'd become, could work As in, of course she doesnt want her pregnant friend and unborn kid die. Oh shit look whatll happen to you lil dude
This movie had potential,it might be madame web But it's a movie that has 3 spiderwomen,one of which is julia carpenter, probably one of the most famous spiderwomen up there with Gwen and Jessica And she's played by a popular actress who looks the part But sony decided to ruin it with some.bs and the spiderwomen aren't even part of the story
Didn't realize this movie was written by the dynamic duo from Morbius until somone on twitter pointed it out.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is 100x better than Madame Web.
Oh without question haha
@@FilmSpeak A simple Sonic X episode is 1000x better than Madame Web. PD: Are you are a Sonic fan?
I definitely agree that TASM2 is definitely WAY BETTER than Madam Web
@@Elmatasabuelitas300 I'm not a big Sonic fan, but I also don't dislike Sonic? I'm just kinda indifferent haha
@@FilmSpeak I recommend you watch the japanese version of Sonic X. It's very good.
You know, Sony is in trouble when Tommy Wiseau and Sony are mentioned in the same video
Damn, Peter in the beginning was going off!!
I wonder if Disney can sue for the rights since it's damaging the MCU brand. Most people have no idea there's a difference.
Because Disney is pouring banger after banger after banger after banger of five star marvel movies?
@@Quetzalpacheco-hv9tb at least they see the issue and are doing something about it. Quit acting like everything has to top Endgame, remember they had to build to that? Theres shit films in phase 1 and 2 so get over yourself.
Yeah but phase 1 and 2 prioritize a story over bs messaging and woke empowerment that's happening now
Phase 1 and 2 had shit movies. But not every movie was shit. So far best we’ve gotten so far movie wise is Guardians 3.
Disney stuff is watchable compared to this recent Sony Trash (except Venom)
Dakota acts that way in the film because she can’t act…
Thank you! I've been saying this
I've watched so many videos about this movie and still haven't seen it. I'll just play it at 2x speed on the pirate site cause it's pretty ridiculous. They have to be making bad movies on purpose.
Exactly the point, they're doing just that solely to keep the rights. They're way too greedy & stubborn to give up the rights back to Marvel.
I honestly advise against it since the disorienting nature of the editing is straining enough as it is in normal speed
You are the first person or review channel to say this - everyone else is saying she's playing this seriously and has no idea what she's doing. Weird.
That's wild. I genuinely don't know how you can watch this film and her performance and take it as her being deadly serious 😂. She's so passive in the role. It's amazing.
She is serious. She is a terrible actress. I found it hilariously that FilmSpeak tried to dump on the movie while trying to save her face, bringing a non existent self awareness and brightness to her, where there is none.. Remember, she only fired her agent AFTER the trailers. She absolutely didn't know about it
9:38 is she above a film like this tho? I dont think shes made rhe Kirsten Stewart/Robert Pattinson type separation from Fifty Shades quite yet. For me shes still mostly a nepo baby with an admittedly hilarious disdain for Hollywood. I like her personality I'm just wary of giving her this kind of grace just yet
Yeah i lost all hope for this universe after Morbius because I was in the huge minority of being a Morbius fan because of the 90s animated Spider-Man series so when the Morbius movie messed up my boy Morbius I really just want this universe to end and I'm so glad Marvel's Spider-Man 2 already came out because Kraven already has a great adaptation because of this game and the Kraven The Hunter movie thats coming out can't mess him up in the public eye now Lol
Man you're preaching to the choir haha. Idk if it ever will end, Sony needs to retain those Spider rights...but hopefully they actually try to make good movies going forward.
@@FilmSpeak that's true, making these Spider-Man adjacent movies is Sony's golden meal ticket to keeping the rights forever but yeah the least they can do is actually put some effort into these movies
I was absolutely blown away by the part where Ezekiel kept on asking Cassie, "What's in the box? What's in the box!?" over and over again. The desperation was palpable. A landmark in cinema.
At which point Dakota Johnson should have said "pain", while pulling out a needle to force Ezekiel to put his hand in the box.
Disney please just sue Sony already!!!
The bad ADR was because Ezekiel's entire motivation changed. He was originally going to try to stop the birth of Peter Parker. That's why you have Adam Scott and the absolutely wasted Emma Roberts sidelined and ultimately superfluous to the story, because the story changed at the last minute. The quality of the ADR was probably because Tahir Rahim was just given a bunch of disconnected lines to read in a booth at the last minute, and by that time he probably just didn't give a fuck any more.
Phenomenal intro clip! Great work!
12:33 Wow, I never knew Madame Web took inspiration from The Garbage Pail Kids Movie.
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The law should change from “you need to make a movie each X amount of years to keep the rights” to “you have to make an *AT LEAST DECENT* movie X amount…”
That wouldn't work
13:18 Nah they wouldnt do that as That would imply that they would have need to put effort into it.
I have NEVER seen Dakota Johnson play a role well. Won’t give her any credit here.
She honestly seems like she would be better as a talk show host as that would play to her strengths.
The "Fuck Batman" line from Titans is what came to mind reading this title 😂
Really great review, very balanced
Maybe the director was trying to do what the Matrix 4 did. Which is to point out the absurdity of studios milking every franchise until there is nothing left but a rotting corpse
Matrix 4 is a pretty good movie.
I swear to god when I was in the theatre with my girlfriend and we saw the trailer I thought it was a complete parody of super hero movies, then when I saw the spiderman esque character I was like “man this is definitely a parody”. To my surprise this is official and not a joke.
Don’t get me wrong, I know Madame Web was a very bad film, but truthfully I enjoyed it more than Morbius and Venom 2, especially over the latter. Venom 2 ruined and destroyed all my hopes. I’m still pissed at Sony over Venom 2. How do you make Venom 1, which was a very solid film, then they make mess in 2?
Why is Sony making horrendous movies? Are they stupid?
Dakota was always very lackluster and always had a very limited acting range. She got her chances through her family and just by being around. No question about that. To praise that is definitely something else. The movie is most likely the product of corporate greed paired with 0 understanding or care of the source material. They deserve this loss exactly because they do not care at all. So why should the audience waste their time and money?
Love the videos bro, aster seeing Dune pt 2 twice can’t wait to hear your take 😎
Honestly I’m not one of those people who necessarily agrees that Sony should lose the film license but Madame Web isn’t exactly the best case to make for why they should keep it either For me at this point if there was ever a character that needs to go public domain it is the web head just for the sake of making the choice not so linear
I wouldn't give Sazma and Sharpless credit for Power Rangers, they wrote a draft that was terrible and was discarded, they only got a "Story by" credit because some of their ideas were put into the draft the studio ended up using. Think of it like this, remember Colin Trevorrow was supposed to write and direct The Rise Of Skywalker? He was fired and his script was tossed but a few of his ideas were used in the film and that's why he still got a "Story By" credit......I think his idea was the force healing and a few small things like that but it was next to nothing
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Sony wants to make a Dick Parker Movie as a James Bond Ripoff.
Nah, they'll make it that it's ACKTUALLY Mary doin' all the James Bond stuff while Richard is nothing more than a bumbling fool.
I agree 1000%! I never trusted Sony with Spider-Man
I like the cinematography I guess? That's honestly the only positive I can come up with for this film
Yeah, that's more or less where I'm at haha that and Dakota Johnson's performance for how it clashes with the rest of the film.
TASM2 movie was bad, but definitely WAY BETTER than this Madam Web movie… Mobius was a REALLY bad movie, but imo I feel it was somehow “better” than Madam Web… 😡
Morbius had Matt Smith as the charismatic villain and some Jared Leto action. This Madame Web is boring asf
Jared Leto fr being as method as he can get was super average in Morbius. Matt Smith stole the show.
It's the first comic book movie of the year.. is a goddamn headache. Venom: Let There Be Carnage is still the best made by the Sony Spider-Man Universe. Andy Sekis knew the assignment and delivered. He has passion and drive. Please hire him more. Edit: Adam Scott is a good Uncle Ben. The only saving grace of the movie. I totally see him as Uncle Ben.
Venom 2 could have been better if they left Carnage alive as the main villain for this universe, not killing him that quick
Whenever I hear about a movie being criticized about how Bad it is online I Always try to give it the benefit of the Doubt by trying to Go watch this movie but this is The Only time where I have utterly and completely trusted the internet and all its sources to not even Bother to watch this crap
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I also hate relying on the internet to form film opinions but I trust film speak and there appears to be a consensus on the quality of this movie across the internet
Thank you for acknowledging that Power Rangers 2017 is not that bad.
23:22 jessica jones and defenders were MARVEL TV not MARVEL STUDIOS
Well...yes...but they were Marvel lol and actually they've been taken back into the fold by Marvel Studios so 🤷🏼♂️
Sony is really brain dead. They need to give Spidey back to Marvel or only focus on Spider-Verse.
It's ironic since Spider-Man and Marvel IPs are the only thing keeping Sony afloat. They've happily shat the bed with their various product lines, including PlayStation.
This Madame web movie was a complete trainwreck
The last three of these movies already had me confused enough about what Sony is thinking with this universe, but this movie has now gotten me beyond baffled, like Sony, what is your freaking thought process?!
People say that S. J. Clarkson looks and acts like a tongue-in-cheek director character portrayed by Kristen Wiig, but to me she comes off as competent and rather sexy. Or maybe I’m just a patsy for an attractive woman with glasses…
16:45 Peter as Spider-man prototype - similar applies about live-action Mulan. To frame baby or child as CHOSEN wipes out the deeper meaning that a normal person CAN become the hero.
I don't understand why they haven't made a Scarlet Spider movie with Ben Reilly yet. It would solve all their problems.
Dakota Johnson is no stranger to shit films that she is expected to pretend to be enthusiastic about and in reality cannot stand. Nobody in front of the camera was under any illusion that Fifty Shades Of Shit was going to be a good film or a force for good. I bet Dakota, assuming she has any children, either has or will tell them that the film is depicting an abusive relationship. I expect she will be telling people in private that the film she was sold is an exceptionally different one from what she saw at the premiere.
I think it’s time for us to understand that these movies are not really movies. They’re tax write offs.
I'm surprised Disney hasn't sued Sony for ruining their image
Dakota Johnson would be a good Poison Ivy in a Batman movie
i will never watch a spider-man movie produced by Sony again
Yes you will. Madame Web isn't a Spider-Man movie, genius. Neither is Morbius and Venom.
What Sony would do if they were smart 1) Contact the writers of the Spiderman Comics at the Marvel comic division 2) Ask them to think of new hero characters for the Spiderman Universe and put them in some comics 3) Make new Movies based on those new characters.
The reason that the movie is set in 2003 was that the director wanted to use the song 'Toxic@ by Britney Spears, even though the song wasn't released until 2004. I don't agree with the premise of giving writers or directors who produce failures constant chances until they get it right. That's called failing upwards, and it's far too prevalent in Hollywood.
I just want to say of the many Madame Web reviews I’ve seen (and I’ve seen a lot) this is one of the better ones, thoughtful in its critiques and analysis while also not overdoing it on the ridicule. Hope you keep it up!
Thank you for that! I really appreciate it. While it's easy to dunk on things, and fun sometimes, it's often better to approach things with a bit of nuance imo.
What about hi top film’s review
Madame Web was terrible but the line that got the meme isn't funny at all. People just wanted to find something to make fun of. When I saw it, people were laughing at things that weren't funny. They weren't very good but they were just boring, not funny.
Being that Spiderman 4 with Tom holland is still a ways away madame web was definitely a way for Sony to further keep the rights to the character you can easily tell they put the least amount of money they could in order to just keep spidey in their pocket
Yo!!! You were BRUTAL toward this movie 😂😂😂. You didn’t lie tho!
I wonder how the general reaction would have gone if they had marketed the film as a Thriller, and hid the connection to Spider-man.
0:00 That’s what I would say to Sony
Damn... that was a really long add read... I hope he was paid well...
Can’t sony be happy with their animated stuff. Stop making the live action stuff. Stick to making miles his own character. Hell make live action miles stuff. Leave peter to the mcu. Maybe then they’ll make something worth viewing.
Honestly his heavy accent is almost as bad as the dubbing he could barely utter a word without grumbling
You know what's crazy, this movie has a budget of $80 million dollars. You know what other movie has that budget? Gareth Edwards THE CREATOR.
“Oh cool, that guy is playing a PSP” -Me only time I smiled watching the movie
Hmm I think that part was really important: Spider is supposed to be the most human superheroe, anyone could have been spiderman, being on the wrong moment and the wrong time. So trying to make it so Spider man must be peter parker becasue is his destiny or something, is not what spiderman is about.
never heard of this movie but it looks like it shops at hot topic
Diversity is not our strength when it comes to filmmaking Dune and madam web are a testament to that
Excelsior
Ok. Let me give you the idea that Sony can absolutely make and literaly chose this idea instead. The Superior Spider-Man. Soft pitch. You get Alfred Molina and an new Spider Man in the suit to have a final showdown like in the comic. Doc Ock wins, and mind swaps out of his dying body. Make a triology about what happens next. Done. Billion dollars a movie and completely separate from the MCU and you can easily add any one from the spider verse into and make it good. Thats it! alfred molina contends for an oscar, that new spider man gets accolades and we are not completely destoryed by Madam Web.
One problem, Molina isn’t jacked
Two, he’s not a good voice actor
@@orlandojosemoraamaya363 he would be there when he looks in the mirror and you can definitely visually represent him in screen. Easy, easy EASY billion.
@@alextorres8635 sure sure, but you can't DENY that monila Is a bad voice actor
@@alextorres8635 plus they'll use the writers of some low caliber with a director that's from TV or somethy
The movie should have been about the villian trying to kill Spider-Man as a baby
You really Stuckmaned this review😂
Pepsi Man, in a satirical movie, actually sounds like fun 😂
I had NEVER even heard of it till Critical Drinker.... Watched it on a bootleg streaming service. So glad I didn't spend money on this
"This job can be a pain in the ass" lol what job?
DUNC Part Duex
Why doesn’t Sony just make a Spider-Gwen movie?
I wouldn’t say they are killing Spider-Man . I mean they have the SPIDERVERSE 🤷♂️
Another flop
🤔so she was hoping for us to 😂 with her not at her? Okay
Sony makes some of the best spiderman movies and worst not spiderman movies at the same time
Uhhhh into the spiderverse has an Oscar and part 2 has a nomination but okay and the Sony spiderman games rock but okay
“This movie sucks but I enjoyed watching it” is the reason we continue to get trash like this. Stop giving them your money.
The airport stuff may have passed if this didn’t take place after 9/11
I really like madam web movie 🎥🍿 but I haven't seen it yet but it's really great ever nice huh honestly I'm thinking it is connected to Tom Holland Dcu my friend 0:56
The Dakota Johnson glazing is crazy. She gave a mid performance in a garbage movie and just wanted the paycheck. Her lack of energy in the film and the promotion is embarrassing, not endearing. Nothing about this atrocious film should be getting praise. We need this studio to know that we don’t want more of this crap
I don't know why so many creators are defending these writers. Sometimes skilled writers write bad things. Almost always bad things are written by bad writers. You said yourself everyone gets studio notes. Not everything is infamously terrible.
ngl but this review made me hate the movie even more, like dakota johnson does not come off to me as trying to play it in the office or funny at all lol but thats just me, clearly it reads as that to some, but to compare her to nathan fielder, like no lol
I think you might be giving Johnson too much credit. I think she’s just a bad and uncharismatic actor.
So bad is good does not apply here, this is straight up trash.
Bro gave up on the Beau is afraid video essay
Didn't give up, there just wasn't a lot of interest. I might revisit it for Halloween or something though!
Sony Pictures vs woke Disney Spider-Man fucked between the two😂
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Dakota Johnson is a terrible actress. She delivers her lines soullessly and it happens every movie. She was duped by her agents and the paycheck. She found out too late, after the trailers became memes. I find it amazing that this Channel tries to rip this terrible film apart but creates the conspiracy theory that she is all smart and self aware and is alerting us fans about the terribleness of this movie..... Is this a way to DUMP on the movie while preserving the actress? You know, actors and actresses should also be called out for their terrible jobs...... ""Let's criticize the movie and preserve the actors"... he also defends the writers and the SJW director... LOL... And manages to put all the blame on SONY.. Almost like trying hard to not burn bridges.. Chris Stuckmann 2.0??? Lame
Dude. you need to chill when you talk about Dakota, you sound like a little girl who found her barbie doll. Just. Relax. That is a grown woman and you're being too... weird.