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In this video, I'm discussing the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) and how it's currently failing, some may even say the MCU is dead. I go over the reasons why the MCU is failing and give some suggestions on how to fix it.
The Marvel Cinematic Universe is one of the biggest and most popular franchises in the world, but it's starting to fail especially in the wake of the Multiverse. Instead of using the Multiverse to explore endless possibilities that are largely solo films, Kevin Feige and the Marvel brain trust have only used it in the cheapest and laziest way possible. A lot of people say that the mcu phase 4 sucks and it's easy to understand why. In this video, I discuss the reasons why the MCU is failing and give some suggestions on how to fix it. From multiverses to Quantumania to Kang, Phase 4, and beyond, I cover everything you need to know about the current state of the MCU in this mcu video essay and analysis.
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What do you guys think about the State of the MCU?😬 Do you think they can bounce back? Comment below!💥
They recently said that they purposely hire talent that isnt familiar or passionate about the characters because Quote incoming "we dont want the stories to be told in a fanboy perspective" stupid stuff indeed but i reckon this is one of the biggest reasons Marvel is failing.
Loki,MOM, and spiderman no way home are great. All the other shit sucked it's the pg13 that is killing marvel.
kzhead.info/sun/l8mbebWPgKB9YJE/bejne.html *Please do commentary on NandoVMovies Ant-Man 3 pitch, which he’d originally done a few years ago. He gives idea that respark that comic bookiness we’ve all come to love and long for.*
I think they can bounce back if they realize why it is failing in the first place. So far they haven't
@keylightsystems3013 WTF are you talking about? All the MCU movies are rated PG/PG-13. Are you saying that the MCU was doomed from the beginning because its movies were only rated PG-13?
The MCU should cut down on the jokes. There are characters that need to be taken seriously, like Ghost Rider, Blade the Punisher.
Moon knight, doctor strange, thor
@@JohnCage77I'm fine with Thor's jokes I think he is better that way tbh
3 of which aren't even in the mcu yet
@@daltonburkhalter8381fr
@@daltonburkhalter8381ghost rider and blade have announced movies tho
I think it’s possible for them to correct this. Play around the tone. Play around with the genre. Play around with the narrative and how you tell a story visually. Don’t get so hung up on continuity or building to events. Make us love these characters. Allow for some creative freedom. Reduce the amount of projects and put more time into them.
The projects, they're doing that by pushjng back. Play with the genre, you speak my language and that's good as long as they don't get too out of hand in certain genres and the tone, you have to keep that tone people like but try something different but don't alienate most people. Some people did feel that way with genre changing with Multiverse or Moon Knight or even Eternals. Creative freedom is fine but don't get too carried away with it to the point where it'll alienate audiences, just enough in the MCU style while embracing the director's styles.
THIS is 100% what they need to be doing. There's a reason Werewolf by Night was such a phenomenon for them last October. People LOVED how it embraced the genre and went wild with it.
It’s honestly too late they keep investing in failing projects that are not hype and comic book movie fatigue is a thing
But they won't. And that will be their eventual downfall. The downfall will be slow, but the snowball will pick up pace as it rolls and rolls and rolls and rolls and then *poosh* Marvel will cease to get back up again.
It's very possible. Though from what I've heard, I do think bob chapeck had something to do with this. He wanted more content, particularly on disney plus with less budgets considering the whole cgi thing. With too much content, feige's attention was split
I remember Falcon and the Winter Soldier. "50% of the population suddenly reappeared, displacing millions; what do I do?!" "You gotta do better, Senator." That's what Kevin the Feige needs to do: do better, Senator.
I think it can bounce back if they: - Put more advanced character work into projects - Stop the overreliance on cameos/easter eggs - Focus more on making good standalone movies instead of trying to setup the future - Make it overall more serious like it was in phase 1 and 2 - Limit the amount of projects per year I also think the Multiverse in concept, while cool, is not a great plot device to work with. It is basically just a giant convenience as it dilutes any stakes. For example, if a character dies, they can just get another version of them from another universe. I feel like Marvel also hasn't really explained the rules to the Multiverse in a concise way which makes it feel very convoluted.
I feel like the skrulls should’ve been the main plot of this saga
Cameos have only really been a problem in 2 films of the entire saga.
your 3rd point is so damn stupid they’ve done that and now guess what people hate it
Actually not u can't mess with multiverses It will cause incursions already explained in dr strange 2 Secret wars is a story of multiverses where all universes collide which mcu going through And spiderman across the verse being a multiverse movie became very successful😊
Simple ..... stop making strong female girl boss lead characters. They exhibit all the traits of the archetypal villain and no one likes them because they are in essence...... unlikable
They had a 15 year run. That's a record for Hollywood.
exactly, they need to go away now
@@nalday2534 critical drinker😂
@@inyourgranmaass3605 what about that shitbag
I think one of the main traps they've fallen into is the over reliance on CGI. I get that there's going to be CGI because we're adapting comics to film. But every movie now has some big CGI army fight third act. Shang Chi has him riding round on a dragon doing martial arts poses and fighting a giant bat while his friends fight smaller CGI bats. Antman was some random rebel army fighting the faceless CGI army in a total CGI world that could have easily been guardians. Thor was kids fighting a bunch of paper mache shadow monster army. I understand that there's power creep in that it's harder to make something bigger and not seen before in each film, but it is getting tiresome and forgettable. They need to return to practical effects and real sets. They need to focus on the story and character growth. They need to focus less on cameos and more on actual organic team ups. I think Spiderman actually did a great job of merrying nostalgia and mixing practical effects and CGI. It was able to poke fun at itself even if the plot line was a little thin.
Loki and Wandavision actually used a lot of practical sets which I applaud them for. But the movies really hone in on CGI so much like Thor love and thunder, Dr Strange MoM, and Antman was grotesque. Yes they needed alot of CGI but it was everything. Even Spiderman NWH used a lot of CGI for the laziest of scenes. That's why they are all looking so similar.
I feel like the MCU is relying far too much on post-production to construct their movies and that probably explains why everything is a CGI environment now. It's been stated by numerous sources that Marvel Studios will literally change the script mid-production and shooting everything on a green screen allows them to change entire environments if they need to. It's not only why the color grading is bland (actors have to be shot in neutral tones to make it easier for editors to plop them into a variety of different environments), it's also why many of the recent movies have so many ideas that seem half-assed and rushed.
@@SymbiSpidey absolutely. I'm kind of surprised they haven't tried doing the GOT Winterfell treatment where they just make everything too dark to save on CGI costs. But I'm sure that's coming.
Problem is it's become too much about money, why build a set when we can use the volume. I've not seen it but people say the Eternals looked visually excellent. Apparently Fiege questioned why the director should want to shoot in location when they could CGI the scene and it would save money.
THIS ^
Besides being one of my favorite characters, I enjoyed moon knight because it felt like it was it's own thing (the series has a lot of problems) but it was nice to see an origin story that wasn't connected and referencing 20 other characters.
Could be a bad thing since he might not get much screen time. But I think he’s comforimred for avenevers movie
I really liked the show. People can't say that was a formulaic or crapped out show.
@osvaldorubalcava9721 I get what you are saying, and yeah we are in agreement. However, I have never in my 40 years on this planet seen a word of English massacred this badly. I mean, you just took "confirmed" to the alley and shot it in the back of the head like it owed you all of the money, my man.
My complaint with """MOON KNIGHT""" was that 90% of the show was Marc Specter/Steven Grant and they didn't show us nearly enough of him in the Moon Knight costume, this problem goes along with the MCU's helmet problem and showing actors' faces all the time, completely different if you read the Moon Knight comics where he's actually Moon Knight not the Marc & Steven show, but maybe it was an intentional thing to focus on the multiple personality aspect and try to make the series realistic but thats a stupid decision ,when you do that youre trying to please everybody instead of Marvel fans and theyre the ones who got the MCU to where it is and its disappointing, just give the fans what we actually want not this crap, why must I HAVE to read the comics just to see these characters look the way theyre supposed to?
One thing I find really frustrating about all this is that in some ways, we got the MCU that we asked for. I remember in earlier phases how fans would complain that cataclysmic third act events didn't garner more plot interaction from other superheroes, and how these didn't feel more connected to these other characters. People would pick to death stuff like how in Iron Man 3, Cap didn't bust in to help Tony save the President, since y'know, there shouldn't be anything more important to Captain *America*.
Yeah, you're so right about that.
Yeah but the same can be applied now anyway. So you’re telling me Peter Parker can call on Dr. Strange to get into college but Hawkeye can’t call up either of them to help with Yelena and Kingpin. Better to put a teenaged normal in danger instead. That issue is just inherent to a shared universe. Why didn’t the Avengers show up to T’Challa’s funeral? Because Thor could have defeated Namor and his soldiers by himself.
Well in all actuality, The Avengers should have ALL been there in Iron Man 3, considering literal terrorists blew up their friend's house and is threatening the rest of the world as well.
@@ccelite3782 They likely weren’t because Killian wasn’t an Avengers-level threat and they either had other obligations or they just knew Stark was already on it and he’d be able to handle it alone.
In some parts that's what this video fails to realise. It's a great video and I agree with many points. But you gotta realise Marvel is huge, some of the fanbase loves the comics, some haven't read them, and some might not have even seen a single screenshot or a cartoon of these comics. The whole fanbase wants something and it was on MCU to make the correct decisions to make everyone happy. I feel they would've but the content rush has ruined them, they had no time to learn as Disney wanted them to make like 7 movies a year. I hear a writers strike is on way, as a MCU fan I want MCU to totally stop again for a while. And come out with tested projects they know can't fail.
My biggest fear is that all these movies and characters are becoming less serious making the stories and villains less serious. If kang is done right he is always a villain. But I take him less seriously bc the hero’s just win. Kang is the most interesting character they’ve introduced since the end of phase 4.
Sadly it's happening right now i mean it happened to Gorr so i wouldn't be surprised jf they did the same thing to kang
@@pointbreak747 that’s a good point but honestly the villains in the past couple movies have been the the best part, Gorr, Namor, and Kang.
It’s not Kevin’s fault… when are you brainless sheep going to understand?! It’s the feminist woke lgb losers ruing mcu ! They are forcing kevs hand!
Nothing in the MCU can be taken seriously. Heroes always easily win, jokes are made every three seconds, nothing is ever treated as a serious matter or serious threat, throw out some lines that'll be made into memes, the end. We're not getting epic stories of heroes overcoming things anymore, just the same thing on repeat.
Kang likely lost on purpose against Ant Man, as he is known for doing (since he knows what will happen in the future and can plan accordingly). This guy has killed countless Avengers before, so he’s clearly capable of doing serious things. Plus, people underestimate how powerful those ants were in Quantumania; they were a type 1/2 civilization (much more advanced than us).
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I feel it has to be said: as much as we want to criticize the producers and writers of the current MCU projects, we have ourselves to blame too. We wanted more cameos, outlandish concepts like multiverse, and admit it, we were all excited when more and more MCU projects were getting announced. Well, we got what we asked for and are learning that we prefer quality over quanity. And just because a character like Ms. Marvel may not be your cup of tea, it doesn't make her series bad or garbage.
What makes her series bad was that god awful villain. What were they thinking. Everything else was great
I surprisingly liked the ms marvel show
Finally! Someone who actually said this! Exactly, I agree. Due to how perfect the Infinity Saga is, especially Phase Three, we all became way too spoiled with the content that we wanted more, and the projects paid the ultimate price: Rushed content & lot of imperfections. We all came up with too much expectations that we ended up in disappointment, especially with the Multiverse Saga where multi-studio crossovers are literally possible now & can bring back old live-action characters for relieving nostalgia while giving them important roles to play. Like Marvel, we're also learning a lot of valuable lessons that not all would like to accept at a moment's notice. Like Michelle said:" Expect disappointment and you'll never be disappointed.", & patience. Never rush Marvel's art as quality is much superior over quantity.
@@racool911 even then a bad villain doesn’t make something bad Wonder Woman was good even though ares sucked Same with most mcu villains, good movies mid villains
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Please please, internet do your thing, please blow this up. Kevin needs to watch this
Strip Marvel translated your video and uploaded it saying it is his.
One problem was that every movie or TV show felt like an ad for the next one. The real story was always just around the corner. When people are more excited for the end credits than the main story, then you've got a major problem.
A lot of people I know aren't even excited for the post-credit sequences anymore. Those are just ads for another movie and that movie will be an ad for the next. Nothing interesting is happening in a universe full of superheroes and that's so bad it's almost impressive.
Sometimes empires have to fall before they rebuild and sometimes they have to fall hard and be completely dismantled to the point that you see rubble and pebbles on the ground. It may look hopeless and beyond repair but that doesn’t mean all is lost and gone forever. The thing is to never give up. I didn’t give up on Star Wars even when it was back problems especially in most of 2022. And I won’t give up on the MCU. It may never be the same as it was in its first 11 years but it could be something even better.
I meant to say had problems (Star wars I mean) Dumb typo
Three words - Take. A. Break. Put the whole thing on ice for a few years, repolarise and take time to repair, then come back. People will wait, and will return in droves - remember how special it was when The Force Awakens came out? That was because it was the first Star Wars film in a decade. Doing six projects a year means you lose that. Less is more, give these projects time to breathe. Fantastic video, keep up the good work.
Bang on. The absurd amount of output is a big issue. Quantity over quality NEVER works. Thanks man!
@@FilmSpeak The fact that people showed up as much as they did for Avatar: The Way Of Water shows that as long as it's worth the wait, the audience will be there.
July 2019 to Jan 2021 was a break (Phase III end - Phase IV beginning)
Fantastic idea, but if they were to take a decade off, what film should they return with??
Sam raimis Spider-Man was so great because he didn’t try and focus on these huge over arching stories and instead made you appreciate the characters in the moment
That’s because when Raimi was making them, sequels were a possibility, but not a guarantee. You needed to get everyone hooked and locked into that one movie they were watching at that point in time, and leave a couple of hints of what’s to come here and there.
This is why What If is one of my favorite marvel things ever, each episode/ story feels unique, inspired- but still individual, and even though there still had to be the crossover event at the end (I bet that was required) the animators and writers did it in the most creative way possible with that 2 part finale, I feel.
What if could have been the blue print for the next phase. Exploring different universes to get us to care about them. I thought that's what they did when wandavision and loki came out. Then realised it all was to link back in.. it almost feels like they were starting just being creative than Kevin changed his mind and wanted to tie everything in.
I thought I would hate it but I found they had way more freedom to do more stuff with animation
Really? I felt it overall felt like leftovers from the big movies, in terms of idea and budget. Episode 4 was the only good one.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Interesting. I though most were fascinating ideas that really stretched the universe creatively (like the murder mystery episode) and even Peggy’s episode, the most copy paste, put her relationship with steve into a perspective I thought was cool. But ey at the end of the day its entertainment, not saying its the greatest show ever but it never failed to entertain me is all.
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I know no way home was cameo central. But I don’t care, I’ll never forget the pure joy and excitement I felt seeing Andrew Garfield return as spider-man and in character. That was a moment. The story was also really good. For me, the way I am going to watch these phases from now on is to pick and choose. If I’m not excited for a project I won’t go and see it, and I am definitely not going to watch a show just to see that one guest appearance I’m excited for anymore like what happened in she-hulk.
When I think cameos for the sake of cameos, I think cw's crisis on infinite earths
The way that No Way Home handled a movie with a them of the multiverse, but still ultimately focused on a single one, was good. The main problem with it was how it was set up (they dumbed down Peter to allow him to make the spell) It could've still been due to a spell gone wrong, but this time have the spell be the result of Strange's ego from before taking over, thinking he can solve the kid's problem, and messing up the spell because of a rookie error that he should have caught had his own pride not got in the way. Then it'd make sense why Strange would be so adamant on undoing the spell, and as quickly as possible, because he wants to fix the mistake. You can still have the spidey and strange chase, and still have the movie focus on spidey, but have it be a story where he's thrust into this problem but he does his best to help these people because he's a genuinely good person.
Same. I just skipped BP2 and Quantumania after the 2 trainwrecks before it. Ill go see GOTG3 but after that idk what im excited for next
Well for me I’ll say I’m excited for deadpool 3 because it has Hugh Jackman Wolverine in a substantial role. I think this movie will likely be the only mcu movie I get excited for in a long time.
no way home was pretty self contained you only really need to know about any about the TV shows, you only needed to know what's going on with spiderman
I think my biggest frustrations are the whole "you need to watch everything including streaming and side shows to understand the plot" issue (which I get from a money making standpoint but there are a lot of fans that can't afford to pay for Disney plus to see all the shows and I think that's a good amount of the younger eager audience) and the fact that, as the movies have become increasingly more complicated, it's left people like my mom behind. She isn't old at all and she's brilliant, so it isn't a shear intelligence thing. It's just that she isn't a big comic person but she really got into the first and second phase and now she doesn't want to watch the new ones because of all the muddled nonsense writing that makes it hard to understand. I'm not saying we need kids level writing. We still want stories with depth, just ones that are also accessible, consistent, and properly fleshed out.
yeah, having to do homework to enjoy a movie isnt really ideal
Agreed, something that was great about the Infinity saga is that you start with any movie and still be able to understand and enjoy it. The first MCU movie I watched was Infinity War, and there were definitely a lot of smaller things that I didn't appreciate until watching them all, but I still had a great time with it. Like I feel bad for the people who went into Multiverse of Madness without watching Wandavision beforehand, and then my brother who's not a huge MCU fan recently saw Quantumania with me, and he didn't understand any of it. Tbf he hasn't seen any of the other Ant-Man movies, but it's still something to take notice on I think.
so true. i work with students who speak english as a second language and the multiverse techno-babble is hard for them to follow. human emotions and good storytelling transcend culture and demographics.
Wait you guys don't pirate the shows?
@@racool911 its less about availability and more about just wanting to do it
The thing is, you can't just come back from releasing a film. A bad film could damage your brand. I just feel that there's a lot of studio interference in these films.
It's funny that in Phase 2 and 3 they seem to know what they're doing, and lately they became what DC has been doing that time
Solid video essay. The MCU will never die but they need to learn from their mistakes and that's what they're doing by pushing things back and giving more time for some movies and shows and one thing I think they could benefit from is letting more directors embrace their style while keeping what people enjoy about the MCU, like creative director freedom. Also with their films, they should take some creative risks with the superhero genre like horror, fantasy, sci-fi, cosmic and film noir like The Batman. Phase 2 is my favorite Phase.
Same
Same
If Disney and Marvel just focuses on making beautiful pieces of films then that solves it all. They had Chloe Zhao, an Oscar winning director who writes and film breathtaking scenes, shoot The Eternals in the most unChloe Zhao way. Allow the writers and directors have some freedom and let the stories simmer for many years so that we results that everybody wants to see.
@@stomachegg041 I'm sorry but Eternals while beautiful didn't do much for me. The story was dull and over complicated, couldn't care much about the characters except for a few and it felt like it was missing something
@@EpictasticJoshuaYT No, thats my point. It just wasnt her film at all. Its nothing like Nomad or Songs.
I liked this analysis and understanding of the MCU. One thing we need to understand is the MCU will never be perfect and it'll have its highs and lows, but I believe Marvel learns from its mistakes. There's a lot of factors that go into creating a franchise; narrative vision, studio (Disney) interference, audience/fanbase responses, etc. I do believe Marvel will get back to a point where the wider audience approves of its direction.
"Because Tony learns from his mistakes"
Hopefully the new CEO is a breath of fresh air for Marvel
@@ccelite3782 who's the new CEO?
@@sagemaster1357 Bob Iger.
@@ccelite3782my friend, you know hes not “new”, right? He was the man who ran star wars franchise into disaster lol. Also, hes not the ceo of marvel, thats still kevin feige
Finally I got the original video and not the translate copycat video by Strip Marvel
Thats where I appreciate DCEU a bit more. The cinematography and tones are diverse and sleek for a superhero movie.
💀sure
DCEU, how many reboot they have atm?
Maybe the mcu will get it's self on track I also think of them not having a character like Iron Man & Captain America has hurt it in the long run them using the multiverse as a cheap way of fan service is kinda sad also having way to many projects release in a year is a kill switch
Both those characters were original and genuine, I think that’s why they’re beloved. They weren’t copying some other character’s traits, or anything like that, they were their own characters. They’ve been trying too hard to replicate the Stark sass and snark, and it doesn’t work for everyone. Having Oscar calibre, magnetically charismatic actors like RDJ helps too. Evans’ Cpt America was a genuinely good guy, operating in a world in which his idealism, pureness and kindness were seen as a hinderance. They knew to be serious with him when needed, and they don’t seem like they want to take anyone seriously anymore. Like Shang Chi or Yelena Belova were both stripped of their humanity and trained within an inch of their lives to kill people and risk being killed since childhood, and yet you never feel that, because they’re not allowed to act accordingly. I especially appreciated the real Mandarin because we finally had a character who took things seriously and wasn’t sarcastic with every opportunity.
@@alexman378 agreed
@@alexman378 And I love the first part were xu wenwu and Ying Li were fighting.
The MCU now needs that one central character who ppl can follow in all their movie appearances and will have a presence felt in movies they don’t even appear in. Like for the first three phases it was Iron Man and Captain America.
Dr Strange should be that as Cumberbatch is a great actor & presence.
Captain marvel
Yeah, John K's Mr.Fantastic
Shuri and Peter Parker... I think they make the most sense, both are characters we're already familiar with and it will be interesting to see both of their new identities on screen pushing the MCU similar to Tony and Cap... Granted they never really interacted on screen but I do think they can work... If not them I would've went for Wanda but they didn't do her character well in MoM imo tbh...
It could've been Hulk but they ruined him. It's to the point where I don't even care if they killed Hulk off, I hate their vision of Hulk in the MCU
I think and hope Marvel finally got this message. They pushed a few Disney+ shows back so they are only releasing 2 now and only 2 more Marvel movies are coming out this year. Hopefully doing that for all of Phase 5 and Phase 6 will help the quality of their productions and also lessen the superhero fatigue everyone is feeling for Marvel.
Here’s my question. If they’re so excited about fantastic four and x-men, then why didn’t they go straight to that after phase three? They could have definitely done the Kang storyline with them, and it would have made more sense. And I get that there are a lot of X-men so maybe not them, but fantastic four definitely!
This is such an amazing video! I have had a hard time articulating all of my emotions about the current state of the MCU but this video pretty much summed up all of my feelings with the MCU. One thing I would like to add is I miss the old MCU shows. The old MCU shows all had their own unique identities and a story worth caring about most of the time. For better or for worse every pre Disney plus MCU show had an identity and actually felt like a TV show instead of a product that was mediocre that looked lifeless which is 90% of the Disney plus MCU shows. My favorite pre Disney plus MCU shows were Daredevil, Punisher, Agents of Shield, Cloak and Dagger, The Runaways, Agent Carter and The Defenders. In fact in my opinion Daredevil is the best thing to have ever come out of the MCU. I feel like the way to fix the MCU shows is to have Kevin step away from the shows so he isn't spread so thin and have Kevin focus strictly on the films plus they could get back the guy who was originally running the MCU shows or someone better to run the shows. I hope the MCU turns it around and becomes better than it has ever been before soon
Here’s my take. I think Marvel is still doing fine as is and have made individually fantastic projects. I love some characters and moments from Phase 4 and Quantumania. I’m excited to see a direction for Phases 5 and 6. However, there are also many points that you made in the video that I agree with. Marvel has made too much stuff in the past two years. There is a clear indicator of quantity over quality and many projects have been divisive/hated. There is a lack of clear identity in look and style (with a couple of exceptions). Although I still get excited for Marvel content, it isn’t the same as the Infinity Saga. From what I’ve been noticing, the individual stories feel rushed through and not thought out that well sometimes, the VFX is very questionable to downright bad (not to mention the whole underpaying and overworking worker debacle), there is a tendency to undercut serious moments with humor most of the time, and the projects feel less like art and more like products. It’s no wonder why people are starting to agree with Scorsese on these issues. Again, I think Marvel is doing fine, but there are more problems now than there were before. I am hopeful that the change in Disney leadership and Marvel cutting back on their content will help, but we shall see how everything turns out!
I think these problems are all because of covid, hopefully there will be less and less of these problems over time.
Great take, not FULLY agreeing with what this video author says. I agree what with pretty much everyting you mentioned though.
They’ll really have to push out the Multiverse Saga if they want to do more shows and gives us time to enjoy The Fantastic Four, actually have Agatha, Wonder Man shows Armor Wars and Nova films if possible and release Shang-Chi 2 and Eternals 2 if those are really important going forward and hopefully with more time we can get the mutants Spider-Man Midnight Sons and more before Avengers There should be more Special Presentations too introducing new characters and world building Werewolf by Night was true quality for a 50 minute special presentation Less is always more!
*lists 8 things" *says less is more* Lol I don't mean to hate but you did contradict yourself
All of that sounds like way too much to keep up with. I'm burnt out on how much MCU stuff is constantly coming out already. If the volume of content is just going to increase I'm out. I'll be over here with the Spider-Verse movies. Quality over quantity.
I have literally have no more interest in these future MCU projects. They completely destroyed any faith I had left in the brand.
This is why I was more excited for Marvel Studios' animated projects more than their live action stuff. I just wanted something different and something where I wasn't thinking about the next installment that will lead into the next and so forth until forever. Especially when the quality hasn't been great. Disney may have cancelled those projects though, so nevermind.
I love how people think that a movie making less than 500 million is a failure. Yeah, there are some issues, but only us real nerds even notice it. It's had some missteps along the way, but, they're have been and still is a locked in universe. Breaking the universe is gonna break the line...but honestly, I always expected after end game, everyone would start to walk away, it was such a poetic story and ending to it. Now they're trying to figure out where to go. Can't be easy.
I love that marvel has been dying for recognition from the oscars for years and everything everywhere all at once comes along and completely embarrasses them
They do have a direction the problem is that the infinity War had steps to the goal in a more known expectation that fans knew exactly where it is going. The MCU currently knows where it is going but majority of these wannabe smart KZheadrs doesn't know exactly where it supposed to head to that they can't understand where the MCU is headed, when there is a clear end goal that is taking a lot of setup and morons like this video maker ignores because they can't wait to get to because they feel dumb not knowing it is going. There are plenty of single story lines in each project, but without the clear direction of the setup they ignore it looking for what's next.
I'm going to hyper-focus on one of your points. You pointed to Captain America: Winter Soldier as the "Marvel house style." I disagree. Honestly, I wish that were the case. I wish Marvel would take a more serious tone with their projects. To me, If I were to label a "house style" for Marvel, it'd have to be Guardians of the Galaxy. After that movie came out, and the audiences flocked to the theater, Disney, under the reign of Bob Chapek, probably insisted Kevin Feige make more movies in a similar vein. Next thing we know, every movie, regardless the character, was filled with a bright and vibrant color palette, comedic or lighthearted tone, costume choices that look more like cosplay and sets that look like sets instead of actual real life locations. Actual storytelling was sacrificed for jokes or wacky moments. Also, while I don't mind fan service (I feel it's the cool trend to bash on Spiderman NWH when it's actually a decent movie), I don't think people appreciate being pandered to or mocked. For example, ever since Thor: Ragnarok, Thor, a once proud Asgardian warrior has been turned into a dumb frat boy. Or when audiences FINALLY get John Krazinski as Reed Richards or Charles Stewart as Professor X in the MCU, they're immediately killed off. Why make these choices? To subvert expectations? Or is it to mock the fans?
This whole video essay just made me miss the Russo bros. It’s no coincidence that my favorite movies in the MCU are all directed by them.
Don't forget the writers of those movies as well
I'm super burned out with the MCU, even so far that I won't watch any MCU movies or TV shows anymore. Marvel also managed to strip me of my love for comic books, havn't touched one since 2 or 3 years. That's why I'm selling my collection right now, not only Marvel comics, I'm selling everything. The only hope I have is that James Gunn does the right thing with the DCU. I watched The Suicide Squad a few weeks ago and the first thing I noticed is the nice colour and weirdness it has. It just felt like a movie made for comic book lovers.
Agree regarding the Suicide Squad. I didn't think it was going to work, but it caught the flavour of early, goofy DC comics perfectly. Didn't take itself too seriously and was a fun ride. Yes, the colour was spot on, too (I hope we're talking about the second movie!). I think Shazam managed a similar coup. A little goofy, not overly serious, good characters. Quite in contrast to Black Adam, something of a disappointment for me, that one! Good luck selling your comics. I've got a roomful of my own I need to get rid of as well! 😄
@@rexharrison6827 Yes I was talking about The Suicide Squad (the second movie by James Gunn) and I also really liked the first Shazame movie! Shazam was just a good fun ride, reminded me a lot of the movies from the late 80ies early 90ies that I grew up with.
“As a third Ironman film, it’s perfect” *loses ALL credibility in just one sentence*
Also, the MCU don't grow with it's audience. Any long running show/series always gets more mature and tackles more serious subject maters over time, but the MCU does the opposite. Hell, the first iron man is leagues more mature than any phase 4 movies, wich is baffling to me.
I think now that they are pushing certain things back they’re hopefully thinking about quality other quantity unlike what they did in phase 4. That’s what I hope is happening but I could be completely wrong lmfao
I understand people have criticisms, but I think people are being a bit too quick in acting like Marvel is dead. They have great talent and Phase Four gave me a lot of enjoyment and fulfillment. They still have my trust more than DC at this point.
That is true but the same could also be said for Disney plus I just feel like Disney needs to stop rushing Marvel cus so far we’ve only had one good marvel film which was no way home and even that had some problems
Knowone is saying Marvel is dead, only that they are and have been making very stupid decisions and as a result have put out mediocre to terrible projects on a consistent basis. U should let go of phase 1 and understand that this company is in a very different place now and alot of the people that made the early phases so great have either left or lost their passion and it shows in the product unfortunately.
@@elliotsturtplus340 I would say every movie since has been good. Only a few were great but that's how it went in Phases 1 and 2.
Marvel is far from dead but there is certainly a concerning trend occurring currently.
There is this phenomenon where something gets so big and successful that they think they can do no wrong, and this is typically when their ego gets in the way of listening to criticism
when edgar wright left ant-man because of creative differences i knew that the mcu had a problem ant-man was the perfect opportunity to be wild and creative, guardians and thor ragnarok got to stretch their legs a bit but by love and thunder thor was falling off again. totally agree, the multiverse is a great opportunity for cool standalone stories that can make big crossover events even more exciting. some what-if concepts are good enough for a movie and totally fit in the multiverse canon. mcu has been the world's most expensive tv show for a while now. but even tv shows have standalone episodes, it's become a forgotten art to the mcu. hopefully that changes soon!
I feel like Quantumania would have been great if it wasn’t for the changes
@@frogs3338 it certainly would've made more sense though oddly enough i did enjoy paul rudd's street-voiceover-monologuing. it was like an absurd ending hahah
@@mykeadelic Yeah, agreed
I think the main issue is that we don't care about the characters. Oversaturation is one aspect of this - but the main thing is what you said, mediocre slop. Focus on writing good chraracters with good stories and the rest will fall into place.
This is why I believe Shang Chi, Moon Knight, and maybe Kate Bishop are the strongest choices of being keystone characters moving forward. They actually have care put into their writing.
@@racool911 Problem is, almost nobody watched those films or shows, compared to the earlier ones.
Imagine Fantastic Four, the team who have bad movies end up saving MCU franchise like Iron Man before? let's hope that and We need Dr Doom movie or series
One thing is, they should’ve taken a break following Endgame. The universe had a five year time jump so it would’ve been neat to give the films themselves that much headroom to regroup. At this point it seems pretty clear that they have no clear goal outside of leading into a Kang based conflict. Which is fine in general because that’s exactly what they did with with Thanos but the only reason why we let that slide is because the individual stories had nothing to do with him. And you’re right. Gunn made a brilliant move leaning into the Elseworlds set up. To be honest I think that was just built out of necessity because of how disjointed DC’s slate was and the fact that it would feel like a massive waste to just drop talents like Matt Reeves but he saw the opportunity and the concept’s brilliant. If we’re leaning into the multiverse anyways that would’ve been the best move to make.
The issue isn't setting up the Multiverse; the issue is LACK of set-up & narrative cohesion. Infinity Stone Saga had LOTS of set-up. Each stand alone story was a smaller part of the bigger whole, advancing the individual character story and the grander narrative. Currently, there is no interesting individual stories AND there is no overarching story. Kang is boring and not a particular threat.
i absolutely agree with this video and i am also one of the fans who are very confident that the MCU is heading towards a healing place. i think a giant reason as to why Quantumania’s failure hit fans as hard as it did, is due to all the reports we’ve been getting recently about how Feige hears our cries and is going to fix everything- Quantumania being the first project of phase 5 definitely had fans expecting it to be different although in reality, it’s the opposite. Quantumania was finished before we even got those reports about the MCU being fixed so i always pretty much knew deep down that whatever changes were/are being made, that those would not affect Quantumania and also probably GOTG 3 although i don’t think anyones having second thoughts with that one haha
I really think Matpats video about it originally being a phase 4 project but had to be changed due to covid is most likely correct too. The whole thing didn’t really feel right and things felt like they were supposed to be different.
Yes you've captured the essence of what most of us feel but couldn't say. Diversity and contrasting themes explored separately and then brought together occasionally for a movie like Avengers would be a treat to look at. It's those contradictions and hard decisions that we have to make that make us human. That's what makes anything beautiful . Well captured my man
I personally think you’re giving Feige too much credit. He didn’t do all of that on his own. Lots of talented people throwing ideas around. If he was so great I don’t think Phase 4 would have gone down so poorly.
Not technically wrong.
Based a lot of his decisions in the last few years I personally believe Kevin Feige will be the one who tears down the MCU just as much as he built it up. It's not secret he has been looking for an exit and wants to move up at Disney.
The problem that I had with Marvel was that everything after Endgame had to be an “Armageddon-like” situation. Just way too high of stakes for everyone. I think that the only real certainty is that whatever the MCU franchise does next, it needs to be new, it revisited the same plot lines and core ideas too many times. They need new characters, new ideas, and honestly smaller stakes. The more the franchise focuses on the end of the world, the more it just feels like it doesn’t matter.
Right
I think one of the proplems is that... they've listened too much to the fans. But not to the fans. To *those* fans, the ones that say "hate this, pure trash, feels pointless". Because they confuse stand-alone with pointless. Marvel listened to *those* fans, and tried to make everything more "important", and instead just made them the same.
Not really, like what does Moon Knight and She-Hulk have to do with each other or the larger universe?
@@jaminelvers7250 Moon Knight was actually something that really worked on its own. But did She-Hulk *have* to end with Bruce introducing Skaar?
The non fans as directors/ screen writers are the problem. Making a marvel movie should not be about I Support The Current Thing narrative in every movie constantly. Constantly trading the original characters for newer upgraded minority characters isn't how good writing is done. This isn't just marvel either its all of Disney. Star Wars is also going through the same garbage. This video touched on important topics and stayed clear of the political arguments, which is great !! They are 2 separate arguments and both are relevant to why Disney is falling apart. Sadly.
They should’ve taken a 5 year break after endgame tbh I love mcu but the super hero fatigue is real and imagine the build up we the fans would’ve felt after that 5 year break, the hype would be crazy
This is one of the reasons I think DCU will quickly find success. From what we’ve been told, those movies will be more independent and unique
Couldn't agree more!
Why are other Channels like Clownfish TV and Mr H Reviews saying he is going to ruin the DCU? Is it because they are Zac Zynder obsessed?
Dceu already introduce multiverse
I agree man the MCU somehow does not understand that every franchise they own shouldn’t have the same tone in every movie like I want a super serious and darker one and then there can be one that’s just a pure comedy you know.
I agree that’s why so many are excited for Deadpool being the first rated R mcu movie they want something different now I just hope the punisher will be treated as he was in the Netflix series, I feel recent marvel product and Disney wanting to appeal to that younger audience now more than before everything is more lighthearted and jokes and the quirky characters they don’t want anything above that pg13 rating for a reason and why we don’t seeing anything like joker or the Batman tone wise from the mcu but hopefully we will one day years from now with blade or ghost rider if they do midnight suns
Could have also been something to do with the Chapek guy dipping his hands into the jar. Remember Kevin almost quit Marvel because of creative difference with Purlmetter
So was Purlmetter the unexpected hero?
@@TheFoshaMan How so? Feige almost quit Marvel during Civil War. Purmetter is a penny pinching cheapo. Igor the one that came in amd save the day. He made it where Kevin reports to that one guy instead of Purl.
Dude. I love marvel but I have to agree with you. Individualism is sorely lacking and this is what I used to love about Marvel comics. I never liked Thor but I loved Iron man, Spider-Man & Hulk. They brought something different aesthetically as well as story wise & whenever the avengers needed to assemble, it was even more cool I’m still along for the ride with Marvel & DC but giving all of these movies more identity would be the icing on the cake for me
I agree that they are misusing the Multi-verse concept. I also agree that their stories suck nowadays since End Game. I dont agree with how though, and thats about where I agreement with you ends. everything else you said is the complete opposite in reality, relative to what you said.
I’ve always said that a cinematic universe is a trade-off: crossovers in exchange for continuity. Cinematic universes give you team-ups in exchange for the burden of continuity. I wish there were some more Avengers movies to relieve the pressure of crossover so that every movie doesn’t have to be a partial team-up.
Although I disagree with you on some small points, you're definitely right in that the MCU just hasn't been the same recently. I did a watch through of the Infinity Saga in early 2020, and although they all still felt like they're in the same universe, all of the movies felt unique with consistent quality for the most part. Like I have enjoyed most of the Phase 4 stuff, but most of the projects feel like they've been handled with less care which have led a lot of them feeling too tonally similar while not even having as much interconnectivity as the Infinity Saga. Like when Moon Knight and Ms Marvel were coming out I started to get brunt out on the MCU, and I did really like both of those shows but it just felt like I was watching the same thing for over a year at that point. Then Thor: Love and Thunder, She-Hulk, and Ant-Man And The Wasp Quantumania all disappointed me to the point where I've been starting to feel more negative than positive on the MCU. I still am looking forward to a lot of the projects, but it's with more caution than before. it does seem like they're learning from their mistakes though by delaying a lot of projects and having less movies and shows per year, I'm just hoping they could get out of this low point that they are currently in. I didn't expect this to be a whole paragraph, but I guess I have a lot to say on this topic lol.
The visuals in Ragnarok were actually pretty good
Absolutely not. Save for a couple of parts that were already handled by the PreVis artists, like Hela killing all the Valkyries for example, it’s shot like a big budget SNL skit. You can tell which parts were already done by someone else, because it almost gives you whiplash when compared to everything else.
the whole content looks a barrage of pop
I think audiences are on board that they characters co exist in the same world so there is no need to make the individual flicks have the same universal style, tone or even narrative.
In correct is it even a film if it doesn't pander to black/Hispanic girl/bitch power
I agree cuz I really think it’s just the same MCU formula every time and people are tired of it
Right Marvel uses the same structure almost everytime in the end every modern marvel movie feels like the same thing, after endgame things should’ve switched up but no it’s the same thing, id like to have tones of The batman and joker in the mcu, with the punisher coming back we can see what we saw in Netflix series and that darker tone even with DD but we all can hope
Someone please show Kevin Feige this PLEASE!!!! Send him this video! We love marvel
Phase 4 wasn't connecting enough now it is connecting too much everyone is pointing in different directions on what is the right way to go and what is wrong. How Kevin does it I don't know. Easy to make a video essay different when you are making the movies. Good vid tho
Joss Whedon is so good at ensemble casts and giving them each equal time to shine. What a damn shame.
@Paraone Ngatai a legend at being a racist misogynistic piece of dogshit for sure
Strip marvel stole your video Is a Spanish marvel fanboy and youtuber
He's aware of it
“And when every movie is a team-up movie… none of them will be…”
Hot take: the multiverse saga is actually really interesting and way more connected than people think, but people just don’t understand it yet.
I couldn't agree more with this video! The costumes are another problem. You have characters from other planets, realms, advanced civilizations, etc. who all have the same kind of textured costumes... It's very strange.
People tend to be unwilling to critize the things they love, I appreciate this vid vocalizing some of my thoughts.
I really enjoy this take. Kevin Feige does feel like he is creating a television series. And I think what’s hurt the MCU overall is the fact that D+ has so many tv shows/content to catch up on that are heavily tied to the movies. There is a reason the MCU never referenced Agents of Shield or alluded to it at all in Phases 1-3.
To be Honest your vid is amazing I can tell your very passionate and I can feel how much you care through your voice narration leta hope Marvin sees this and takes your advice in to consideration and make you a part on the development team because your input on Spiderman in to the spider viruse hit head on and was absolutely correct
Great video man
Thank you dude! I’m really glad you liked it.
I miss the anticipation of a big release. Endgame was a great payoff. Now they come at us so fast I feel like I'm watching them out of obligation. It feels like homework, especially the Disney+ shows.
That was an extremely good video, haven't heard many of those points earlier- Also, the entire video had the tone of a normal youtuber's intro, which I liked
Great salient video. Thanks for doing it. What's the title of the background music you used at the end and where did you get it? Loved it.
Make it grounded. Who can relate to CGI worlds? Keep the scenery realistic, too. There’s a reason why Daredevil and Jessica Jones are well-liked.
I don't think that's a solution. You can tell fantastical stories and ground them in real human emotion. Lord of the Rings is very compelling, Spiderverse is about as fantastical as you can get with the multiverse,. Grounded and realistic isn't a fix all thing. Embracing the genres and the fantastical of the comics would go a long way and would help diversify each film that Marvel produces.
@@FilmSpeak I agree it’s not necessarily a solution, but take note of what you’re bringing up; LotR, while a fantasy world, was shot in real environments, in New Zealand. It’s fantasy, yet you can feel like it’s real. SpiderVerse is an animated film, and it’s still mostly set in New York City.
@@FilmSpeak Lord of the Rings feels like it happens on real soil. Like the characters are breathing real air.
The MCU's success in the beginning was down to the novelty of having multiple heroes exist in the same universe and even work together. Nobody knew what to expect from this, it was exciting and new. It was a very MURICA! experience to see an army of goodguys. But the heroes mostly undefeatable by themselves, so.... where's the tension? We're not affraid for any of them at any point because they are a literal army of indefeatable entitites with superpowers. The only way to get some tension is to nerf the heroes by some ex-machina means that we never knew about, or by giving the bad guy some ultra-impossible powers that mane the undefeatable heroes vulnerable... So what can they do? Spectacle. add more heroes, more bad guys, until finally every character ever drawn is on screen in a huge CGI blur of fire and smoke. But... what's next? How can you create a threat that is bigger than the one that required literally all superheroes working together to defeat it? You can't. But now you've established that all superheroes *can* work together, so you can't go back to any adventure of a single hero without having to find a pretty stupid reason for why the other heroes can't help. Ironcally, the MCU killed the MCU.
This entire analysis was on point. Greed has overwhelmed Marvel Studios. It has become greed over art. They need to bring art back.
I think this video is amazing in some ways, hyperbolic in others. If anything, these new movies aren't connected ENOUGH, and out of every project dropped since Phase Four, only NWH, MOM, and maybe LOT (guardians were in it) felt like they had big cameos and crossovers. Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, Eternals, Ms. Marvel are completely isolated projects.
I thought Multiverse of madness did try to be its own thing, it did have a different visual style to it and didn't feel like other mcu movies to me with the horror elements they put in it and they even tried to push the pg13 envelope. And even Wakanda forever was totally its own thing and didn't connect with the overaching Multiverse storyline at all.
They barely delved into the horror aspect, it was clearly an after thought on there end. Thats not being different, thats being too scared to go all in on giving these films individual personalities.
@@vice2versa it wasn't the horror element which was the problem, it really differentiates it from other mcu movies. While watching it the 1st time i thought this doesn't feel like other mcu movies, the whole environment and the witchcraft elements made it feel different. The problem was in the script which they kept changing and that resulted in a half baked kind of plot,a lot of interesting stuff got cut
There’s another 15 movies and more shows left in this phase. A lot of time to move the boat toward greatness. To use your early example about the military industrial complex political subplot of F&WS which will likely play out in CA4 but ask yourself do you really see Kang or a multiverse really being a part of that movie? The whole phase doesn’t have to share the same plot thread of each Saga. Why can’t they have two or more sagas going on at once? I think they should get rid of the sagas and phases because they are programming the base to expect hard stops and closure. Expectations will just lead to disappointment.
What we REALLY want is to see our favorite heroes fight each other in anime esque battle royals
This is actually what Kevin did in Phase 4 with wandavision, loki, she-hulk, Eternals, thor4 and dr strange 2, letting the directors have creative freedom, i personally think they were fine as they were but and look how the people reacted to them. I think fans have a very high expectations when it comes to MCU thus making anything that comes out feel mediocre and lower than what people expect.
Yeah but there’s a little problem with creative freedom. You get She-Hulk, where not only did the director fight against using the source material, but the writer’s main focus being to piss off the fans.
I agree say marvel be fine slow down
so well damn said. Damn. That was amazing. great video. This is why I subscribed.
thank you so much man that means a lot!
@@FilmSpeak you'll be at a million this year no doubt. Selfish request...as a movie lover, and obviously so are you, would be so cool to see you breakdown some older ones! Like a "Must Watch"...your perspective on it would be 1. super interesting and 2. bring a lot of younger eyes to it. Keep up the amazing work!
What a beautifully positive look on this topic! Thank you so much for this video !
This video perfectly encapsulates my frustrations with thoughtful reasoning. Well done.
In my opinion every thing has a beginning and an ending, how many times can these heroes save the world and the universe, before people start to get tired of it To me the sensible way to save this failing franchise is for both the m c u,and the d c u to merge,that would create some very interesting new stories to tell.
Cancel phase 6 and just do Deadpool kills the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
The entire phase 4 has been made just to set up some big villain in phase 5 that is way too ambitious. What was special about the MCU is how each character had their origin story, their growth, their crimes and their redemption. I loved the Infinity Saga because it was built around the big 3 - Ironman, Cap and Thor. Each Ironman movie showed us his growth. Each Cap movie showed us his pain and loss. Each Thor movie showed us his struggle. And the final battle, the final sacrifice... it brought me to tears because I felt a final closure to those characters. And now... the MCU is just cramping tons of characters into a movie without a real message, a real story about a specific character anymore. It is sad.
The problem started when they did not focus on story and character development
I've grown to love Iron Man 3, Thor 2 and avengers 2 over time
They all focused on character development and a standalone story which is a rarity now.
You give Kevin and Marvel far too much credit
People should stop comparing "Everything everywhere, all at once" to "Multiverse of Madness" One is a single standalone movie with a finished story that doesn't need a sequel, another is a part of a massive franchise. Creators of the first one squeezed EVERYTHING they could out of the multiverse idea in a single movie, so imagine if Doctor Strange 2 did the same? It would ruin the MCU, as nothing that came before or would come after would even come close to it. If you showed all possible variants of everything - what would be the point of continuing watching the MCU? Which is why they only showed us a small part of the multiverse, and it makes perfect sense for something as huge as Marvel. This wasn't just a good move from the business standpoint(people just wouldn't be paying so much for following movies) but from entertainment value as well. Because if MoM was incredible, the following Multiverse stories would feel like most Marvel phase 4 feel after Endgame - they would just pale in comparison. Does EEAAO need a sequel? No. Will there be movies after MoM? Yes. Any more questions?