Why do airlines PAINT the nose BLACK? Explained by CAPTAIN JOE
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00:00 Intro
00:55 What is under the nose?
01:25 How does the weather radar work?
02:11 What is the radome made of?
02:55 Cheap solution
03:40 Black paint
03:55 Was it style?
04:10 The Airbus question!
04:35 Paint ahead of windscreen
05:45 Retro liveries
06:02 Outro
Hey everyone, in today's video we'll be talking about the black nose of airplanes. Why were they painted black? And what's hidden under the radome?
Back in the days, older airline jets, turboprops and fighter jets could often be seen with black painted nose cones. Sometimes the entire nose , or only the very front it, the rest of it being either white or in the airline livery.
The immediate question arises, what is actually beneath the nose cone?
Well no surprises here, as most of you know, the weather radar. There are exceptions, some regional or other smaller aircraft, which have the engine at the front, mounted their weather radar onto the leading edge of one of the wings.
The radar antenna needs to be able to see ahead of the aircraft, in order to detect upcoming thunderstorms or clouds with a lot of precipitation, which the pilots then circumnavigate. Therefore nothing should obscure the radar beams. Meaning the nose cone can't be made out of metal like the rest of the plane.
Compare this to your latest visit to the dentist when they took an X-ray of your teeth. The rays of the X-ray machine can't penetrate through metal, leaving a white spot on the photo. Similar to the weather radar, anything blocking the radar rays will give a distorted picture on your weather screen.
Nevertheless, over time, dust, debris or hail battering the nose could slowly abrade the sensitive surface of the radome. That could cause water to enter, freeze up and damage the radome even more. Engineers then came up with the idea to place a rubber coating over the radome to prevent further abrasion. It was a cheap solution, and the colour of this rubber material coincidentally was black.
The amount on how much was covered in black rubber material varied from airline to airline. Technically only the very forward tip of the nose had to be protected.
Later, airlines stepped away from the rubber coating and then painted the noses with black paint. Back then, the fuselage was covered in lead-based paint to prevent corrosion but wasn't allowed to be sprayed over the nose due to the metal compounds of that paint. So yet again cheaper black paint was applied without interfering or limiting the Radar's performance. Eventually, that colour range grew more and more, and airlines painted their planes in their colour of choice to match the livery!
One other reason was style. For example, former Lufthansa planes, such as the 707, 727, and 737 fleet had a polished metal finish. And because polished aluminium can't be bought in a spray can, Lufthansa chose a subtle black to blend in with the rest of their livery.
But see more in the video
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I believe that the nose of new airbus aircraft is painted so that the weather radar can be tested and verified to be working correctly with paint on the surface of the radome prior to or as a condition of delivery to the customer.
It's not what you think...
Actually, I’m pretty sure it’s so that Airbus can fully test the cuteness of each and every plane’s snoot, to ensure their customers won’t be disappointed by a non-cute-looking plane. 😟 Also, I don’t doubt that they additionally perform a full suite of *boop* tests. And obviously a properly prepared snoot would be required for those tests to be valid!
They are all painted..
I thought it was just because it made them look more fancy.🤣🤣🤣
Wow wonderful knowledge Thank you for sharing 😊 Capt.Jo🙏🏽😘
Hey Joe, the airbus noses in the clips are painted up to the last stage prior to top coat. The very tip you can see is white, this is an anti erosion coating and has a rubbery texture. The black is an anti static coating. This obviously prevents static building up on the radome and interference with the radar, but it has a secondary function, which is to control and conduct a lightning strike to the rest of the airframe. The radome has metal studs inserted through the skin called lightning arrestors. These connect to a copper rod inside the radome (they used to be external) which pass the current to the airframe to be discharged. The anti static has to be applied just right so the resistance is within the tolerances specified by the CRM (Component Repair Manual), and it controls the speed at which the current passes to these arrestors. I've painted aircraft my entire career and its good to see someone asking these kind of questions, no one really gives much thought to this overlooked but essential process in aircraft maintenance
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Great reply. Thank you.
@@abaedz4734 idź stad bo potem mamy taka opinie o narodzie….
@@abaedz4734 your super rude.
Nice to see a comment by someone who really knows his subject...great answer
Ah yes. I remember being young and at the airport, watching our plane come in. My dad asked me if I knew what was behind that black painted circle. I said that I didn't know. He said 'An airplane" :P That dad joke has been sucessfully reused on my kids now.
😅 I like that, actually; I really do!
Dad jokes are the best 👍🏻👍🏻
@@professorr.5427 I want to know how raccoons can sleep by the side of the road with all that traffic noise?
@@ronsamborski6230 :☠️😵........... 😆😆.
I hope you responded with a whoosh gesture.
My favorite airline paint job was without a doubt was the PSA smile which the black nose cone was actually represented as a nose. Seeing those PSA jets coming in for a landing with their big smile always made me smile as well.
When I was a little kid, I was convinced they were painted black to make the airplanes look like they had dog’s noses. As for the black underneath the windows, I thought it was eyeliner. 🤦🏼♀️ 😆 Good thing I’ve grown up (a little). Also makes sense-was at the airport spotting this morning and watched an old KC-135 do their routine touch-and-go’s, black nose and eyeliner and all.
What airport?
@@donaldstanfield8862 Milwaukee (KMKE). 128th Air Refueling Wing, Wisconsin Air National Guard. Fun to watch them come and go. We don’t see too many “heavies” so I always love seeing the KC-135s.
nice creative mind ^_~
This is the only reasonable explanation.
same I’ve always thought they looked like dogs
We paint the Radome from the mold former whilst it is upright so as not to handle the fragile cone from vertical to horizontal more than once, once painted we then use a vacum lift to 'suck lift' the cone and mount it to the pivot frame that gives it more rigity and can be lifted and bolted onto the aircraft via the frame, the paint dries uniformly in this orentation as a bi product of the production process as well.
I love how Joe teaches us many times by showing us him doing experiments to prove his statement. It really helps us to learn more easily! Thanks Joe!
Hey, didn't think I'd see you here! 👋 And yeah, that demo instantly clarified what's going on.
@@ddk hehe
So true!
tank you for the informationes broski.
As for favorite livery, call me nostalgic, but I have to go for the classic Pan-Am paint scheme. From their early, EARLY flying boats up to the final days of the company, and even to the fictional (now-retro-) future depicted in 2001: A Space Odyssey, it always projected that air of elegance and refinement that doesn't really exist any more.
I love the way you do your outro’s with the checklist, it is so unique. Keep up the good work!
4:22 a special covering protecting the nose when new plane is about to test fly. OR Primer coat on radome to prevent erosion until a proper paint job can be applied.
Usually Airbus aircrafts are already painted on first flight.
@@Biggunkief But only in a temporary anti-corosion coating, that green stuff, that then gets washed off and the whole plane is painted in the livery of the airline. The manufacturing halls of airbus are in Toulouse, France, while the paint shop is in Hamburg, Germany. Only the fin arrives painted in the livery already.
@@CerberusTenshi It doesnt get washed of. It is activated and then painted. There is also paint Shops in all FAL sites of Airbus (except a A380 sized is only in Hamburg) You are correct that the VTP is already painted as well as the winglets and engine cowls. Just believe me, I work there.
Your scientific demonstrations is what drew me to your channel in the first place. Good explanations as always Captain Joe!
I love these videos Joe. You always answer and explain a question that I didn't know I wanted the answer to until you made me actually think about it if that makes any sense. I'm not a pilot but I am fascinated by aviation and I love learning new things about it as much as possible. 👍
Very interesting topic of this video, you never run out of ideas, love the content!
I stumbled on this video by accident. Back in the 1980s when I was a service tech we had the hoods (bonnets?) on all the trucks in our fleet painted black to help with eye fatigue. Worked great. I started doing that on all my personal vehicles - folks thinks it looks strange, but its worth its weight in gold if you drive through the desert southwest on the United States.
Just when I think you know most facts about planes, you come in and blow me away with every video. Nice job!
Delighted that you have a video on this ‘black nose’. I have been waiting for a pilot to answer this since the 1970s.
I love the Air France, KLM and Lufthansa (A321) retro-liveries but my favourites are BOAC Speedbird and the classic BEA colours - because they're what I used to see the most of.
Posted this request back in 2018 got it now finally... thank you Captain Joe
Sadly indeed! Black noses and glare shields used to be one of my favorite features on "older" airliners (read, 707s, 727s, DC-8s, etc.) which were the ones I used to plane spot as a kid/teenager. I do miss black noses, so I love most vintage liveries that have them. This was a great video, really enjoyed it. Thanks!
I'm not pilot, but I love aviation and just found your channel. Well done. Definitely subscribed.
My guess is Airbus paints the tip of the radome to prevent abrasion. After all besides branding the main purpose of the paint is to protect the structure of the aircraft. Especially composite materials, as they are basically just reinforced plastics, are very vulnerable to abrasion.
A350 uses quartz reinforced fibre
@@Sterlingjob Quartz is a crystal. I don't think they grow a crystal as a matrix around the glass/carbon fibres. I would guess they use quartz as an additional reinforcement of the resin matrix.
@@Horstroad Quartz Fiber Reinforced Plastic (QFRP)
@@Sterlingjob That's what I said. It's still plastic. Whether the reinforcement is carbon, glass or quartz doesn't change that the matrix is still a plastic resin which is very abradable.
@@Horstroad the whole aircraft is made up of every type of metal and plastic under the sun.
I would guess the paint before all else is thus, it is painted to notify those around there is a radar already installed, so this helps people know of it and helps notice damage right away during transport.
Okay, _fine-_ I'll buy one of your model planes. I always wanted a scaled, pre-painted model of a commercial airliner, and, well... I get to support one of my favorite KZheadrs at the same time! With you, *Captain Joe,* I fly high, fly safer, and fly smarter. Though I will never be a pilot, regardless I thank you for your efforts both here and in the cockpit, and for keeping me informed!
Captain Joe dreht seine Videos einfach um die Ecke von der Elisabethstraße ich bin verliebt. Abo für immer dagelassen :)
I really think it's a crime to watch a plane fly over and not give a moments pause to genius of engineering the average jet liner represents today!
When i lived in London 35 years ago, near Heathrow airport, i would marvel at all planes taking off and landing - Concorde blew me away!
I live under the routes to and from minneapolis/st.paul to or from Detroit metro. I know people who never even noticed this who were born and raised here. But I had a Father who would take us to airports just to watch the planes. It installed in me an awe that has never left me.
I share your notion but can't help to also think about those who are terrified of flight; they probably deem it 'the stupidest idea ever' XD
since i was a little boy i have always loved aircraft and particularly when their noses are painted black
I LOVE the black nose!! And the black area in front of the cockpit! SO CLASSIC!! ♥♥
Lufthansa and KLM are my favorite, thanks Captain Joe!! Great video, you do a fantastic job!!
I had to stop the video just to look at the Lufthansa polished metal fuselage and engines! Best airlines ever! but RIP yellow logo :( Another great video Captain Joe!
My fav retro livery gotta be LX-NCL, pity you still haven’t gotten the chance to fly her yet right? :(
Well done Captain Joe, people want to know that you are the best teacher in the world👍👍💗💗💗
Nice video. My favorite livery is the 60’s era United Airlines with the diagonal red and blue stripe on the vertical stabilizer. Looked particularly nice on the DC-8 and the Caravelle.
Hey Capt.Joe! Can you please post videos of you flying the queen of the skies? That would just be the best thing in the world!!!😀
I liked most of the airline liveries when I was growing up in the 60s, but Eastern Airlines' striped livery against the white body always stood out for me. I also thought the old Capitol Airlines livery looked great on the Vickers Viscounts.
I'm studied accounting, worked in IT, now a toys salesman, but you are the reason I made my nephew pursue aeronautical engineering.
Oh oh oh, thank you so much for highlighting DA-BUM. I handle Condor in FRA and uni mike is my all time favourite aircraft. ❤️
The chrome AA livery is my favorite retro paint job. Gives the airplane the image of a robust metal bird. 😄
It's polished aluminium not chrome. Lots of elbow grease applied..
My favorites are: Lufthansa A321 in the design of the 50s, Condor Retro and Aer Lingus Retro design
Nice Capt. Joe. I like your science-based vlog. Thank you for sharing.
Great video, I really enjoyed it, plus I learned something new, my favourite retro airline livery is Aeroflot, I think it is simple whilst looking quite striking❤️.
I miss the PSA smile liveries with the black noses. Especially on their DC-9s and MD-80s with the eyebrow windows. They looked like happy puppy dogs LOL
I have to give a shout out to their BAe-146 fleet too! Not many airlines out west used the BAe's, but PSA had quite a few. I rode on several of them in the 80s from SJC to SNA and back when I was a kid. They went on to finish their flying days wearing US Air liveries after PSA was bought out.
My thoughts are that it would allow them to better see any damage caused to the cone during the assembly and testing processes so that they can turn over a pristine aircraft to the customer.
Such a wonderful and a very detailed and a very patient explanation of why the nose is black.. I could understand everything spoke perfectly without a hitch and the pace of narration is simply perfect!!!. Very compelling video, enjoyable, excellent!!.. the correlation of the nose painting of the airlines to a car dashboard also being black and the reason behind it is excellent!!. Hats off sir!!!,,
A radome design is a tradeoff from competeing interests. A "window" for the radar's rf is needed. Protection from p-static build-up is necessary. Lightning protection is necessary. It must have protection from weather erosion. Each layer of coating will bend (refract) the rf signal as it passes through and, because of the curved shape, there will be a lens effect. People in the paint shop will be aware that the radome paint will have a tighter tolerance than most of the airplane. The p-static protection is a conductive coat (a product I am familiar with was electrodag) which is black in my experience. It is extremely important that this is applied in a very tight tolerance. It needs to be thick enough for p-static protection, but if it is too thick it will reflect the radar. The p-static coating is not a consideration in lightning protection. The lightning diverters are designed and positioned so that a nose strike will always attach to a diverter. If this was not the case, the lightning would penetrate the radome and attach, most likely, to the radar antenna. Since refraction and reflection from the different layers of coating can effect the performance of the radome as a radar "window", it is best to test the finished radome.
4:45 Is no one gonna talk about how the Captain caught that flashlight without looking or flinching? ...And how many takes do you think it took to get just this one right? ;)
probably not as much as a 'nana, cause he'd get concussion from that many failed ones
It's not difficult
My favorite retro livery is the American Airlines “Bare Metal” livery from 1969-2013
Mine too. They have a 737-800 painted in the bare metal lightning bolt livery that comes to my airport all the time. I love watching it.
Iconic
Some great retro footage...That Air India 707 looked awesome
Hello,I just subscribed to this KZhead channel because I have been liking your videos.Thanks for telling us why do some planes have black noses I always wondered why!Awsome captain!
Just stumbled across your site. Very interesting. I always thought (as a kid) The black nose was a diagnostic tool: If the nose was wet, the plane was healthy?
Really like that notification when Captain Joe uploads a video.
I love that neon light of your name!!
I miss TWA and my dad flew a lot in the 1960s, with my grandpa. I learned something new a lot new about planes.
Fun Fact: One year the UK did rather well at the Olympic Games, they painted the radome of the charter aircraft (BA of course) that flew the athletes home gold.
that's a ... quick turnaround...
As for the second question about the black paint in front of the windows: in the sixties we painted the hoods of our cars in the same way, in order to avoid glare from the sun. I suppose Captain Joe was still a glint in his fathers eye then.😁 Great channel btw!
istnugoed Also smudges under the eyes of football players.
the polish aluminium paint job of American Airlines looks beautiful, I love that paint job
Captn. Joe ur examples are positively relatable. I like ur explanations cheers from India
I have a question. It may be a dumb question, so I apologise for being stupid. I am a fan of aviation and I was watching a video of an airplane (flight deck view) land on a runway. I noticed that because this was at night, you cannot see the runway numbers (example 12R). How do pilots know which is the correct runway to land on in the dark where you can’t see the number of the runway?
As the numbers on the runway correspond to the heading of the direction of the runway (Runway 12 is roughly 120 degrees) this can be a good check. Also a visual check if there is a left and right runway this will allow you to check you are on course for the right one. normally most commercial planes have a form of a Flight Management Guidance Computer, pilots will put in their desired landing runway and the aircraft will depict this to them. The only dumb question is the one you don’t ask!
Each airport has a map with runways, flight paths, and a host of other information, so they should be able to navigate based off that. Of course, they will also verify visually that they are lined up with the right or left, if they were landing on a parallel runway.
Captain Joe have a dedicated video for that, i''m sure that Joe can explain it beter than any of us. Here is the link: kzhead.info/sun/ecl-fMxoon-JfHk/bejne.html
Runway 12R has a compass heading of 120°, and is the runway on the pilot's right as the plane approaches from that direction. Runway 12L would be parallel to 12R but on the left. Runway 27, as another example, would have a compass heading of 270° and would be the only runway with that compass heading. Air traffic control knows which runway the plane should land on and brings in the plane on that compass heading. The interesting thing is that if the headwind changes and starts blowing from the opposite direction, the plane would land with the opposite compass heading (300°) and would land on the opposite end of the same runway (12R), but that same runway becomes runway 30L from that direction--one runway, two different names depending on which way the plane is headed.
@@sammybob090 Thank you for your reply. I like your saying of ' the only dumb question is the one you don't ask'. I will have to remember that one.
The black colour under the cockpit to prevent sun reflexions remind me of a story of The Myth Busters were they tested if it helps when Baseball players colour the area under their eyes black, And they found out it really helps (now only anyone has to explain baseball to me 😃)
Dear Captain Joe! Many thanks for your videos! Really like it. Would you please make a video about cargo in planes: special rules for loading/placement of the cargo in cargo compartment, temperature regime, load/discharge procedures, air companies/ pilots/ground force responsibilities for the cargo, etc... Thank you!
Hi Joe, I don't know if anyone else has commented about this however I used to work for a company that produces 3-D Laser scanning Advanced Visual Docking Guidance Systems (A-VDGS) and airlines have pretty much had to stop painting the nose of the aircraft black because many of the black paints used absorb light and cause the A-VDGS to have a weakened return light signal increasing the likelyhood of docking issues.
Lufthansas Retro 747-8 is definetly the best looking plane flying these days.
As if the 747 wasn't majestic enough on its own
Why is he called 'Captain Joe' when he's only wearing 3 stripes - which denote a First Officer? A Captain has 4 stripes😎
He was a captain for his previous airline on the A320 but kept the channel name. I'm sure one day soon he will progress to captain on the 747 😁
don't slag the man for having ambitions.
Great video, Captain, thanks for sharing.
I actually didn’t know that the weather radar was inside the nose cone! Great video Captain Joe!
So, end of production just like the real 747??? 🙁🙁😞😞
finally, guess it couldnt sell well... maybe that's why he has to give free crap with it to get rid of that hideous junk
@@hankarci how dare you
@@hankarci He is still selling them still, you're also getting a free gift by being one of the last to buy the models, so don't talk trash.
My favourite retro livery is that Qantas one, but I’m probably just being patriotic :p
Thanks for an interesting and informative video - very nice!
That's cool, and why I like a flat black hood on my car or truck. I only fly low to the ground! As a kid of eleven in 1959, living in St Charles Mo. I used to love watching those Trans World Airlines TWA 4 prop constellations I think, but usually at least several times a week I'd see one with one or two props not spinning. They were very low on approach to Lambert Airport.I still love that style of passenger airplane. Retro!
For Airbus why they paint the nose first after out from assembly line : I think it’s for weight and balance purposes, same for the stabilizer fin. To balance the weight for test flight and after done it, they paint they whole A/C
This amount of paint doesnt affect the aircraft´s balance. Usually the ACs are already painted on first flight
Capt : Joe, what a wonderful video. Your a first class ticket and I'll always fly with you. Outstanding job sir. Thanks. Yours truly Ed Parkhurst.
Love you Capt. Joe!
I like these kind of educational videos. Keep up the good work sir. Thanks.
Ordered my Capt Joe 747-8... so excited!! Will be my first -8
Well done Joe !!
Fascinating Joe,Thanks.
My favorite retro livery is PAN AM from the early 70's (that was the first time as a child I flew).
Lufthansa 747-8 Retro Livery my favorite!beautiful Queen, beautiful Livery
I'm really honored: Captain Joe knows the world, flies around the globe. But to demonstrate a reflection of the dashboard in the windshield, he drives his car through my neighborhood in Munich, Germany. 🙂 Thank you for your videos, which are always interesting even for non-pilots!
Uh oh, another throw scene. I cannot wait for those bloopers to be public hahahahahah Great video, keep up the good work!
oh now I understand! Thank you captain joe!
awesome guy. looks so disciplined
Delta's 1980s-2000 livery will always have a special place in my heart.
Good morning Captain Joe!
5:09 heyyy that's my aircraft! Never thought an AWACS would show up on Captain Joe's channel!
Very informative as usual.
Favourite retro livery at the moment has got to be the British Airways BEA Livery, it looks so cool
Thank you for this idea, as I asked some time ago, why this was so. 🙏
You should have a special on painting airliners. As an artist and model builder I do enjoy the odd colorful aircraft to break up the monotony of whites or drab military colours.
Glad to see your torch - catching skills are razor sharp, Joe...!!! 😂😂
I am super partial to TransBrasil's classic 80s and 90s liveries on their McD-D planes and their 737s (they also operated a ton of 707s if I recall correctly). When I was a little girl I had a book that was all about the different, colorful liveries the company ran for 25+ years, wish I hadn't lost it, it was such a neat aviation collector's piece. I was lucky enough to fly on a few of the classic liveried planes before most of their fleet was retired or modernized.
Very nice explanation captain. Good Job. Keep rocking Keep flying the world🌏👍✌🍫❤😊
To answer Captain Joe's last question, my favorite airline livery of all time is the last generation for National Airlines, the "Sun King" design. My second favorite is the first-gen hockey-stick design for Eastern Airlines, with the "Whisper-" format. Those were the only two airlines operating through the local regional airport when I was a little kid...and although I was also aware of other liveries like TWA, United, Pan-Am, and such, none of them really had the character of National or Eastern in the '70s. And I think that airline liveries were at their boldest and finest in the 1970s.
Great great explanation, Thanks Joe 😍😍
AND NOW I KNOW, THANKS, THAT BIT OF INFO MAY COME IN HANDY ONE DAY. MAXXAUS.
Amazing! Thanks for sharing!
Joe I have always liked the black nose cone on planes. To me it is very distinctive and stands out really well.
You post the best plane videos
Another example of functionality turning into style is from bicycles. Frame builders would coat the dropouts (slots in the fork and frame where the wheel attaches) with chrome plating. This prevents corrosion after repeated removal of the wheel. Now, you can see some paint schemes with a two-tone around the drop outs that matches the classic look of plated dropouts.
My top 3 favourite retro liveries: - BA’s BOAC 747-8 - Lufthansa’s 747-8 with the black nose & yellow crane - AA’s 737-800 tricolour with polished aluminium belly
Would love to see the TMA livery again, Green fuselage, yellow tail, in 707 or 747 flavours 😍