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Tex. Occ. Code § 1702.232- bit.ly/3ICDBEw
Tex. Occ. Code § 1702.165- bit.ly/3TdbPnh
37 Tex. Admin. Code § 35.82- bit.ly/3IzFPF0
37 Tex. Admin. Code § 35.5- bit.ly/3wQlMzq
37 Tex. Admin. Code § 35.10- bit.ly/4c8ijfH
State v. Sheppard- bit.ly/3IykV99
Michigan v. Summers- bit.ly/4acewfL
Hearsay- bit.ly/3wHcLsf
Navarette v. California- bit.ly/2Nzuo6W
Adams v. Williams- bit.ly/3itijxi
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Austin PD General Orders- bit.ly/3wRh0Sj
His biggest mistake was confronting the security guards, before reporting the assault to the police. Sometimes all that matters is who called the cops first.
💯 He wouldn't have gotten the trespass either and the security would have been liable
He went about EVERYTHING wrong that day... lolololololol
but that's what a rational person would do. he clearly wanted confrontation with everyone.
@@leeclemens879 If you've ever been unjustifiably prepper sprayed (assaulted), not to mention damage to your personal property in the process, you would likely understand that the ability to be rational is severely diminished. I sincerely doubt you would be whistling Zip a Dee Doo Dah if this had happened to you.
So it was his mistake someone filed a false police report against him? Sounds like it was someone else's mistake for committing a crime while trying to cover up another crime
Having the beginning of the encounter would’ve made a drastic difference.
It's on the stores camera so he'll be good
@@johnjames7289 if he's being honest. None of us really know if he really got sprayed or if so why or how. I have seen a person spray a person and get every one in the room including them selfs.
There are always three sides to a story.
*themselves @@robertstone9988
It's a good thing that we know how to use common sense
If those security guards called the police & claimed the cameraman tried to stab them, then that is a false claim and is illegal.
The call is on video. They said that he has weapons like the scissors and said he kept following them. This was true!
@@seeya205 ...and irrelevant
@@glintinggoldhow is that irrelevant. If he actually has scissors he is a present potential danger
@@dannyfergusson3243 Scissors are not inherently dangerous most of the time... unless you 'run with them'... The guy in this video is a straight-up KAREN. Security guards seem like buffoons, too. But the guy is obviously his own worst, uninformed enemy. And the way he jumped in the first cop's face demanding 'NAME AND BADGE NUMBER!' made him look really stupid. Every time his opened his yap, he stuck his foot in. No sympathy from me. He's neither a 'journalist' nor an 'auditor'. He's just an loud-mouthed imbecile.
@@dannyfergusson3243 People carry scissors and knives for practical applications. It also never seemed like he made a move or gesture that would indicate he would use them otherwise. The two clowns just wanted to make the call "spicier" for optics. They knew they were in the wrong and didn't care if they put the cameraman's life in danger. Their $12/hr worth more than someone's life. Disgusting.
I work for PSC James Garfield was fired, so was the other officer on duty for lying to his superior.
James acted like a cross between former LEO - wannabe cop - nothing guy (laughably) trying to convert a mall cop badge into respect and a license to bully/assault (not gonna happen). He should have tried to file changes and filed a suit against the mall/James. The other guard mimicked the actions a LEO takes when he throws up the blue wall to protect another LEO - he looked like he knew the other guard went over the line, but is going to protect him anyway. He should have lost his job just for being stupid enough to do this.
I would strongly suggest publically discussing this stuff on the internet can end your job.
@@icecold9511 Doubtful.
Yeah and working at another lame security company, psc sucks
@@icecold9511Nah, anyone can make this claim on the internet. This person doesn't work for the company.
These security guards look exactly how you would expect them to look.
you mean, fat, old, and unable to chase anyone?
The problem with authority without accountability.
@@datorres67 I don't think that's what the original comment is saying lol
Yup. Retired, out-of-shape ex-cop with a lack of current understanding of the law.
We had a security guard at my old job that had to be about 400 pounds. A coworker was robbed at gunpoint in the parking lot early one morning, and not only did it take him several minutes to get outside to help her, but he called his security company instead of 911 because he didn't know how to handle the situation. Whenever I see videos of officers like this one who couldn't control any situation without getting out of breath, I always remember that incident.
He might be correct but he's horrible and annoying.
He's not even correct in at least half of his statements. Annoying is an understatement.
Yep, you can be within your rights, and also be an unlikeable idiot
@@frankrosemeck9898 I meant correct in that he shouldn't have been approached or sprayed.
They usually are.
@agentrex_adventures Generally, the police start it, so i understand returning in kind.
Whether he was in the right or not, this guy didn’t do himself any favors by flipping out.
Yeah, I think B- was a bit generous. I would have given him a D+, the cops a D-, and the security guards an F.
Have you ever been pepper sprayed???? Flipping out is pretty standard after that If you don’t know shit, shouldn’t say shit
He got assaulted, wouldn't you be pissed? Or would you sit in a corner and be quiet?
Really. A jury is made of people and they will not like him at all.
@@Youngbuck3888i would call the police, from my corner
I appreciate how this channel seemingly objectively will call out both auditors and LEOs for misunderstanding/violating the law. thanks!
Dude should've never confronted the idiot security guards and instead called the police to report the assault.
Never call the police when you have a problem, because when they turn up you'll have two problems
Also he should not have started by screaming at the cop Give me your name and badge number right of the bat, he could have been polite to them and probably would not have been put in cuffs
@@kiddalingur yeah taking a few deep breaths would have changed his entire universe
Screaming at the police as soon as the car door opened is the wrong way to start off. He thinks he’s above the law just like the stupid security guards do.
Yeah, providing an account of the situation before the cops got there likely would've set a better tone for the encounter. I can agree with the cops grade, but I think 'auditor' should've had a matching grade for his demeanor, incorrect citing of detention v arrest, when a detention is justified, and failure to know his state's LEO identification policy
"private security" "Youre a public servant" Does he not know the difference between private and public?
In tex they are public servants
@@joaquinbaca1880eh?? How does that work? Security guards aren’t employed by a government but a private employ.
That's different. @@paulstejskal
Nevermind I didn’t watch the whole video yet
@@joaquinbaca1880 How? Just because they have a state issued license, does not mean they work for the state. The company name is in the video.
There's something unsettling about this guy.
Yeah, he is *_super_* annoying!!!
He sounds like he's watched way too many of those "first amendment" fr-auditor videos & believed everything the "frauditors" said, because was totally wrong about...well, everything i think, & did the "I'm a jernalist" thing they always do. 😂😂😂😂
He's a karen
@@JakeStrange66bro what do you mean by „those ”first amendment” fr-auditors”. While the man is indeed annoying, it has nothing to do with auditors making sure „first amendment” (apparently it’s such a foreign concept to you used quotation marks - I feel sorry for you). Aforementioned man clearly doesn’t understand his rights, that’s the issue. This channel is literally dedicated to auditors, maybe go troll another YT comment section
@@troy_opal2054 he doesn't understand his rights. Exactly. Just like the "first amendment" frauditors.
How you treat people matters. You can stand up for your rights and be nice at the same time. And not for nothing. The more anger involved,the more likely it is to devolve into a competition,with nobody willing to shift their stance because they don't want to lose.. It is the difference between "name and badge number!" and "hey man,can i get your name and badge number?" It's the same question,except one is oozing with contempt. Again,it is about getting the change we all want. The government is a bureaucratic,unyielding,emotionless,detached nightmare but it is comprised of people. And people can sometimes be reasoned with but if they hate you they are more likely to continue down an illogical path because we are an emotional species..
I agree - generally you get what you give.
I've seen too many cops and gov't functionaries being asked nicely with sugar on top and blatantly refusing to do identify themselves anyway to believe all that. They really do need to be cussed at. They also accuse Citizens of threatening them for mere criticism, or holding a camera (always "in my face") and try to get them shut down or locked up. Eff 'em.
Generally, as a rule, I've learned throughout my life that any company or organisation with the word 'professional' in the name, is compensating for something.
Professional Engineers (PE) everywhere would disagree
@@andrewogden1480 As a professional engineer, I disagree with your disagreement. 😂😂
I agree and any company with integrity in its name is a joke
@@1milliondogs I know what PE means, but if someone was introduced as "Engineering Professional" I'd assume that's a technician.
That's very true in most cases. Like when you see a wrench at Walmart it says professional on it 😂
The cops definitely detained this man far too long, but him being super emotional doesn’t help things. He needs to pick and choose his battles and save the war for the courtroom.
how many times in your life been pepper sprayed in the face by Paul Bart and then had to put up with low iq jerry from the local PD America is #1 incarcerated for a reason...ppl try to pick and choose in a courtroom instead of spilling someones head all over a sidewalk and calling it a day.
I was wondering, what was he doing out there in the first place?
I mean getting assaulted with pepper spray and then the cops showing up ready to draw on you then threaten to take you to the ground and detain you for a truly unreasonable amount of time after they're aware of all facts just because they can is a bit upsetting and I don't blame him for his attitude. Could he have acted better? sure, but literally having the cops gang up on you after you got assaulted is ridiculous.
@@coldkill207 Its because security guards called it in that they were in danger with his weapons so close in his bag. Police showed up thinking it was a worse situation then it actually was.
@@CheddahSlammer and like I said, kept him detained after they had all the facts... it goes from reasonable to unreasonable real quick. My comment is more on the fact that I understand why he is upset and it's hard to control your emotions when you got assaulted and held against your will until a supervisor shows up. As for weapons, as far as I can tell he never reached, brandished or threatened anyone with them so why does it matter? They only added that information to escalate the call.
Kind of hard for the cops to de-escalate when this guy is popping off rage-screaming the entire time while they're talking to him calmly and he wont' calm down.
Maybe, but if the cops had been less hostile to him & more skeptical to the security guards, there might have at least been a chance
@@architeuthis3476security guards in tx are public servants and they called saying the guy was combative so the cops did what they are supposed to do
@@T1HG_Gmo Wrong. If yoo want to say there was reason for the cops to handcuff that guy & hold onto his weapons, there may be some argument there, but he had been assaulted by the security guards who were armed with the weapons they assaulted him with (and the cops WERE informed of this), but the cops neither handcuffed them nor confiscated their weapons. The security guards were at least as much of a threat as he was - if not more - yet they were treated better than he was.
@@architeuthis3476This moron aggressively approached the first officer screaming at him and continued to scream the entire encounter. I hate piece of shit auditors like this.
@@architeuthis3476also its always bullshit when someone is surrounded by armed police, and they are like "we fear for our safety" so they gotta raise take extra annoying steps.
I worked in security for 2.5 year in oklahoma. Company never gave me or my 4 coworkers any formal training, glad i was never dumb enough to assault anyone, and lucky enough to never needed contact with leo's while working since i had no guard card
In Texas that's a class a misdemeanor and a $4000 fine.
Oh man. It’s an early morning and “James James” was enough to get me good 😂
seemed legit 🤔
lol James Squared
tbf I knew a James Jameson growing up. Also, guess what his dad's name was?
“You back up!” sent me away lol. 1:22
@@Knight_Astolfo Yeah, Mastermind quiz show in the UK used to be hosted by Magnus Magnusson. You expect that from nordic names though.
His behavior makes it really difficult for me have sympathy for him.
True, but It's a good thing your rights aren't dependent on someone else's sympathy for you.
@@mynightmare3798 he made demands that were inconsistent with our civil rights numerous times.
@The_GrumpyGillhe he forgot to print out his sovereign citizen bingo sheet to pull out at the slightest confrontation
It's easy to defend your rights and not escalate the problems
@@NitroDubzzz Somebody is familiar with Chile Decastro. :) Are you a Gunnar fan too? :)
I wonder if the suspect is watching this yelling at the screen.
LOL!
I’d say he’s probably smashed the screen
Best comment here!
Him and the security guards all 3 of them were idiots 😂😂
Remaining calm and professional demeanor will always serves you best. Be deliberate but be polite.
Good luck being calm and polite after being pepper sprayed
@@SpencerfromEarth He probably was aggressive and that's why he got pepper sprayed.
Absolutely! Cops always need to remain calm and professional. If not, then they aren't cut-out for police work.
@@SpencerfromEarth I’ve done it. It didn’t work out the way the fella thought it would for him.
Not when you're trying to harvest tax payer money
B- for combative, aggressive demeanor and not knowing any legalities? He handled everything wrong.
Yeah this is one of the worst auditors I have ever seen. Hurts the credibility of the channel to grade him higher than a D imo
I would give him an F. He didn't do a single thing right.
What the fck does demeanor have to do with anything? We dont owe pigs love and flowers.
Audit the Audit does a good job on his channel of finding/explaining the laws, but he has a clear bias against law enforcement in his videos, while favoring frauditors.
I believe he got the B- because he's not an auditor, just some random guy. He states it at the end of his grade.
The security guard looking like security,but doing the right thing is another thing.
Instead of confronting the Security guard who pepper sprayed him, Mr. Stone should have himself called 911 and reported the assault to police and ask that they respond and arrest the perpetrators.😊
This guy needs to go to the Long Island Audit School of decorum 🤦🏻♂️
HE'S NOT AN AUDITOR
He is probably special needs.
@glintinggold oh yes he is and he's representing all of you right now
@@glintinggold he is the best one.
@@glintinggoldumm he clearly is.
Private Security is not a Public Servant.
In the state of Texas they are. The law states we are acting as public servants and an assault on a public servant is committed when you assault a security officer. Many places play fast and lose with the laws and it makes it difficult for those of us trying to hold to a higher standard.
Public servants are not public servants either.
@@theb.s.d.4707 That's interesting. I assumed the same as OP but I looked this up after your comment and read more about it. Pretty weird how they handle it in Texas, imo - it seems like private security is also restricted a lot even though they're called officers. Lots of downside risk there.
Cops take away this guy's weapons for "their safety" why if the security guard is involved in the disturbance. Didn't they take the security guards weapons too ?
Keeping up this cuffs detention as long as they did was antagonistic. Showing a two tier treatment.
What about the security guards false informing? Stating he threatened to stab people? Cops should have given those clowns a TON of grief !!!
Is there a video before this that none of us have seen or are you assuming?
"Security guard lose it." He should be sack100% agree.
Waited all weekend for this. Y'all have a great Monday!
Monday morning tradition.
i only now realize there is a rhythm to this channels uploads… Thank you
9:30 Really? He used "minimal force" to detain him? He was aggressive and confrontational from the onset and immediately used force to restrain a citizen before gathering even the most basic facts or giving any time to comply with his orders, and never had a reasonable fear for his safety in order to justify the restraint. AtA already earned an F less than halfway into the video. AtA appears to be getting more and more comfortable licking the boot over time...
And he completely earned that F by continuing to justify the unconstitutional restraint until the very end.
He came agressivelyat the officer and had weapons. The office had every right to detain him for his own safety. If the guy was calm and cool then he wouldn't be in cuffs.
@@seeya205 No, he didn't. He was, at most, agitated when he approached the officer, not aggressive. The possession of weapons is not, in and of itself reasonably frightening, and they could have simply disarmed him without restraining him, which could have easily been voluntarily achieved had he approached the situation calmly and rationally instead of fearfully and aggressively. Also, the guy approached the officer obviously filming, which is not characteristic of people about to commit a violent crime, further weakening the constitutionally required fear for safety necessary to justify the physical restraints placed on a private citizen. How's that bootleather taste, @seeya205?
that security guard should be in jail for false allegations !!! leading to the guy being cuffed and his freedom taken away from him !!!
You know they kept him in handcuffs as punishment for not licking the boot
Truth
Or maybe the fact he was a complete asshole the entire encounter. Not saying the cops were right, but the guy seems like a terrible person to even be around
@@nodekapunkIf people were put in cuffs for being what you say he is, half the country would be in jail. But, we have this thing called "The Bill of Rights". Sorry.
@@nodekapunk if the cops weren't right they weren't right, being an ass does negate your rights.
That one security guard should be working as a mall Santa Claus. They really do just hire whoever.
As someone who's a janitor at a mall, they really do, most of them are either old or overweight.
I've worked security for Allied Universal. They will literally sit down through the security test and talk to some people like they are 5 year olds to ensure they pass. Most of them dont fully understand how limited their authority really is. At most you are an agent of the property. Other than that, you're just a normal civilian.
They don't need to be in shape to do their job. Many big cops as well and I would argue that they need to be physically fit to do their job.
No, I don't want him pepper-spraying kids (and whoever else)
You want that violent psycho around kids!?
A security guard isn’t a public servant.
Everything's dumber in Texas
Most "public servants" refuse to identify themselves, so what difference does it make.
@@Del_Swhat shithole state are you from, Jack?
Being in handcuffs by definition is an arrest. But they simply call it detaining. Which without someone being physically violent there should be no reason to handcuff anyone
Detaining per officer safety allows handcuffs
@dannyfergusson3243 officer safety shouldnt trump you civil rights. Unless you have been arrested
Fifth circuit states that as long as some one made a complaint they can do that for "officer safety "
@Barbarian5150 just because the fifth circuit Court said that its okay doesn't mean it's right.
@@Gunderblinx Whats "right" is irrelevant to the letter of law. Your feelings are irrelevant to the law.
This is why it's good to always know your rights.
What are you on about? He was on private property. Your bill of rights is only for the government. Did you even graduate high school?
Truth! Don't listen to the guy above ...even on private property we have rights lol . Portable ate to many crayons 😂
@@Super-cb3ic you didn’t even pass English 1. There’s no way you even walked into a civics class. Go serve a hamburger, your clients are waiting.
Tf does being on private property have anything to do with anything? Do you're rights somehow magically disappear on private property? Obviously knowing your rights is relevant when interacting with police. Why does anyone need to explain this?
@@JamieMills-re5th You took some nonsense. I already know all that. The thing is, do you know it?
The videographer thinks private security guards are public servants? He needs more correct information.
They are in Texas
Maybe do a little research before you spout incorrect things
@@T1HG_Gmowrong, they are regulated by DPS. Regulation doesn’t make them public servants or employees. DPS regulates my drivers license also, so am I now a public servant? 😂
@@robv5834True. Just makes everyone who wants to drive a Subject.
@@valentinius62 a subject? A subject of what?
HOW ABOUT A GRADE FOR THE SECURITY GUARDS.
F
A
Both obese, immediate F
A
@@fuzz6938 F
People like this are the problem. The cops never once got hostile with this guy and as soon as they got there he started to get all hot at them. And then he uses their reaction to his anger to justify that anger
The cops yelled at him the second they arrived. Did we watch the same video?
They were called for a disturbance and the cop got out of his car immediately demanding compliance from the victim. No investigation, not one question, nothing. Just immediately assumed because the security guys called the man with the camera must be at fault.
@jeffcuzzort4399 they were called for a disturbance with a guy with weapons, and the caller implied that he may have been attempting to use them. The cops had no way to know the caller was exaggerating. The cop acted appropriately and the guy refused to calm down long enough to explain what had happened
@@mikecrain2076 The cop was aggressive from the time he got out of the car. The proper way for the cop to act when he arrived is to introduce himself and let the guy know that a call came in that he had a weapon and once he secured the weapon then start an investigation. Now if the guy then got aggressive and refused a weapons search, then that would’ve been an appropriate response by the cop.
@mikedougherty2243 that's just not true. The caller implied that he attempted to use the weapon. At that point tge cop has to treat him as a suspect with a deadly weapon. And the first interaction is the suspect walking up to him in an aggressive manner and yelling at him.
Security officers must present an active guard card when asked.
No they don't. Not just to random citizen. To their superiors or to law enforcement but if a random citizen asks they don't have to show anything
Looks like you didn't see the video chud
Security guards are somehow getting stupider.
Not really. I learned of a nuclear bomb (less trigger) was found in a farmers barn. A whole bunch of security guards messed up big time!!!
As are "auditors."
I mean its already extremely easy to be a cop as it is Id imagine being security guard is a walk in the park
How were they supposed to handle that? They remained calm and called the police. What should they have done in your opinion?
Security Guards are private right?
Yes, not "public servants" like dude claimed.
@@Eidolon1andOnlyin Texas they are
not in Texas.
@@T1HG_Gmowrong. They are regulated by the DPS. Regulation doesn’t make them public servants.
2001 United States vs Valadez, 5th Circuit - The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, which includes Texas, held that “once an officer's suspicions have been verified or dispelled, the detention MUST end unless there is additional articulable, reasonable suspicion.” “Further detention was NOT lawful after the point at which the purposes of the stop was resolved.”
Nice one 😅
He does not have to ID to fill a complaint on the security officers or sue the property owners, cops, depts and tax payers.
You do need to ID yourself in order to sue. How else would anyone be able to properly claim something happened. Also you can’t sue someone without saying who you are.
This video only shows the “auditor” being loud and annoying but the title promised me a security officer losing it.
He didnthe moment he used chemical agents and didn't move to provide medical aid. They are less lethal not nonlethal. Several cases have been cited where people have died from the after effects of chemical agents.
@@theb.s.d.4707 You don't know if the photographer deserved it because we didn't see the initial interaction. By his aggressive demeanor, I think he probably did deserve it. Everyone was clam but him.
@seeya205 i dont think id be calm after getting pepper sprayed
@@fingers900 True but even when the guy told his own version to the cops, he basically said he just randomly intervened in something that wasn't his business and then got aggressive and walked up on security. So if that's his version where he's probably trying to make himself look good...
@@fingers900 I bet he was even more aggressive to the security. He admitted to being aggressive with them when he got sprayed.
Have a nice work week y'all.
Never thought I’d see Garfield optimistic on a Monday
LoL....its funny how the short stubby guard is holding the tear gas canister. 😂😂
Why didn't they put the security guy in cuffs until they figure out what is goin on, it should be both parties not just one
Did you watch the video? Cop was standing there patiently for a good 3 seconds with this lunatic approaching him before he decided to cuff him. When you have this shitty attitude towards everyone in your life you reap what you sow. Officer probably would have just talked to him politely if he wasn't scream shouted at and hostily appraoched the second he arrived.
Read most of the comments here. There's your answer.
Sometimes you make your own trouble. Dude was agitated and had a weapon, handcuffs were appropriate until he calmed down for the safety of the officers.
Officer safety is bs, if you are afraid of people you should quit the police and go live in the mountains, away from civilization
Its so funny how the entire community becomes blue pro when they see policing done right yet they claim we hate police by default
If after learning the security guards lied about him, the subject had chosen to calmly explain to officers that it wasn't true, and be wished to press charges as HE is the true complainant here, he probably would have been released much sooner and the outcome would have been different. I hope to hear an update that the security guard was charged. You can't pepper spray someone just for having an attitude.
THe way he approached his own situation is bad. No wonder he got cuffed instantly.
If he'd NOT put his hands behind his back to be handcuffed , he would have been charged with "resisting arrest". If he can be charged with "resisting arrest" for refusing to be handcuffed, how is him being handcuffed not being under arrest?
“James what?” “James… errr… James!” More brilliant people abusing perceived authority 🤦🏽♂️🤣
It’s a crying shame that these security guards are considered credible informants.
They lied about several things. Need to watch the original video. This was so edited that it didn't even look like what really happened. AtA gets an F.
Observe and report ... no security guard needs any weapon.
Security guard is supposed to be charged and arrested for the pepper spraying. Clean cut assault charges.
Yeah, was there video evidence of that encounter? I wonder why that didn’t make this video. Maybe he got up in the security guards face like he did the cops when they first got on one scene
People love to run their mouth without knowing half the information.
@@fuzz6938 I’m going based off the video. Unless you show me the complete video. I’ll stand with my statement
@coocoo5756 well then you're a smooth brain because you don't have the whole encounter to make that determination
Amazing how things escalated as soon as the cop showed up
If you’re the victim, you have to identify yourself reason why if they don’t have a victim they don’t got a case
No law requires victim to identify in Texas.
@@Don-mi6zl You don't need a law to know that if there is no record of you being victimized, then it never happened. I mean really, how stupid do you have to be to think you're gonna pursue something in court when the court has no idea who you are? You gotta be really stupid to not understand that.
@@Don-mi6zl If you want there to be a case yes you do. Having an anonymous victim is a violation of a defendant's right to face their accuser.
@@Extem1 Not at all. Those like yourself have been caught yea s later with recordings of children they molested that can't be tracked down and are still prosecuted despite the victims not being identified. The security video is more than enough to convict the fat slug security guard. If his defense wants to track down his victim and out them on the stand to ensure his conviction they can but the police cannot force the victim to identify.
If the victim wants to file charges then yes if not then they don't
I'll say this once: "unlawful search AND SEIZURE". The semantics of "arrest" or "seizure" doesn't matter when both would be unlawful as there is no reason to deprive this man of his property. "Freedom does not end where your fear begins"
Very valid video showing the rights and wrongs that went down in this police interaction. Well done ATA. This should show people that you are bias and talk about what happened instead of what should happen.
Handcuffs don't mean arrest, but if you are searched and your property seized in conjunction with your detainment in handcuffs, it may be a defacto arrest.
All the dude did was give me a headache.
He had OC in his eyes, so I'm sure he wasn't at his Sunday best, Joe
Security should control their nerves ,and not make the wrong decision.
Pepper sprayed guy should get an F for turning an easy lawsuit into much more.
Wow, I had to turn down the speaker volume for this interaction! 😂
Even though you fought the police officers in a sense. You cannot because sometimes even when they try to disescalate things. People are rational like this guy was loud and irrational. It's hard to calm down a person like this.
Are security guards even allowed to go hands-on like spraying pepper spray??? Thought they were just glorified safety patrols.
Only in defense (of self or other) I would assume. The same right you have.
Depends on a few different factors, but sometimes yes.
Anyone is allowed to defend themselves if they fear for their life and safety. Without the altercation being on video we have no idea what led up to the pepper spray. The way this guy was acting, carrying a knife openly, I feel it's possible he was presenting as a danger to the guard. It's just not possible to know without further evidence.
It depends on the state. In Arizona, we can.
Why do you think they would they be carrying it (or a gun) if they aren't allowed to use it?
Bro tried spraying him again but he said cops the security guard looks saw and put it away suspiciously quickly
He probably got fired from the police for this same stuff.
B- is too generous for Stone.
He was D level at best, a true Karen. It is telling that he did not share a recording of him being pepper sprayed.
@@mbryson2899 Exactly! He knows he didn't look good in that video or he would have showed it.
Clearly the hothead gets an F. So does this channel for being bias. We all know that the "journalist" or was he a photographer that day, rushed up on that security guy like a rabid dog and got sprayed. He then tried to give us a completely different narrative. He was so pissed and probably pissed off at the world, that he went back for some more pepper spray, this time he wanted to get on camera in his favor. Mr. Stone is fooling nobody. He needs to go see someone about his problem. It would be better and his first step towards recovery if he gives us the real story, then goes and apologizes to the mall security.
Every auditor talking point, so yeah, he had the camera going.
okay, lets see how you act after you get pepper sprayed in the face by an obese security guard
Both security guards need to be fired and their certifications revoked. The cops need to be reprimanded and re-trained.
I'm super glad there was a well documented chain of evidence that there were multiple calls and more importantly a call from that third party saying someone has a threating knife. This could've ended much worse!
WOW, jumps out of car and just starts cuffing citizens. Stellar work.
The Security guard should be charged, for false aggressive action.😂.
Where in the criminal code is there a charge for "false action"? LMFAO!
He did not did anything wrong. The Punk with the camera was clearly in the wrong.
@@Daxx871xxx I agree!
the first officer got out & literally starting yelling don’t resist & never once told dude he was being detained or anything so a person isn’t resisting if they were never told they were being cuffed or detained
Did you even bother to watch the video before posting this fucking horseshit? Officer got out and stood there calmly for a full 3 seconds while this guy approached him screaming while brandishing a concealed knife that they knew about on the 911 call before deciding to detain him. What the fuck do you want the officers to do? Wait until some crazy lunatic they've never met before literally stabbed him? What the fuck is wrong with you. Officer came in LITERALLY as patient as he could have possibly been. The crazy cameraman did this to himself.
It never ceases to amaze me how people can so boldly and confidently state something they are so very wrong about, yes cops can cuff you while you are detained.
" ... there we shout and sing His praisins in that land forevermore."
You have a B- to a guy who just runs ups to a cop yelling for his name and badge number... Dude has no idea how to handle him self in a civilized manner .
He heard the security guard make allegedly false claims about his actions and demeanour as well which makes his initial response to the arrival of police even more ridiculous. You know that these guys are claiming to the police that you're armed and aggressive and your first response upon seeing a police officer arrive is to approach aggressively and ignore commands. Man is lucky the police officer arriving on scene didn't draw on him.
There are a lot of cops there! The security guards never denied pepper spraying him either, so he was a victim of a crime. I don’t even know what crime they alleged he committed.
Depends how he engaged the first time. For example if he was using the same demeanor when he approached the other interaction and kept crowding in, then it would be completely understandable for him to get pepper sprite of that point.
The APD cop admitted he was going to keep the man in handcuffs while awaiting a Supervisor arrives, after already admitting there was no assault, no apparent crime…yikes!
I once worked as a security officer for Securitas in California. We were trained only to observe and report. We were forbidden to intervene or pursue suspects. That being said without the beginning of the encounter I cannot say what if any actions the security officers were appropriate or not. But on video, I didn't see them do anything inappropriate. As for Mr. Stone, I don't know what happened in the beginning but judging by his action on film I am guessing he intervene on behalf of the boy on the bicycle basically sticking his nose in something not his business. His lack of understanding of police procedures and laws rubs me the wrong way and his antagonistic tone towards the officers made things harder than it had to be. The officers were professional and show patience with Mr. Stone. And yes they kept him in handcuffs throughout the encounter for good reason. He was armed and they had a call he was causing a disturbance. He was legally detain and there is no time limit on how long handcuffs can stay on someone. It is based on reasonableness. I again advise ATA to do a ride along with his local police department to participate in the local citizen police academy if they still exists. Security Guards: A. Officers A. Mr. Stone: F. ATA: B
The officers admitted that RAS was dispelled, and he should have immediately been released from handcuffs.
Unless you’re yelling for help, it’s probably not a good idea to scream at an officer.
😂 lick them boots while your at it.
Never ask an officer gor help lol
@@Super-cb3icwish the dislike counter was visible
@@Super-cb3ic have you tried not being a piece of shit?
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain
The officer responded 100% properly the way the guy got right up in his face like that. It makes me think that the security guard may well have been within his rights, even duties, to spray the guy.
he doesn’t need medical assistance. He’s just doing that so he can find a way to sue. it seems like he’s trying to find a way to get a reaction.
So he should have just gone home after getting pepper sprayed?
Just out of curiosity, where did you get your medical degree from? Are you a licensed physician? Are you an emt? How would you know if this person who was pepper sprayed needed medical assistance or not?
"yOuR a PuBlIC sErVaNt" I dont remember privately hired security being considered a public servants lol
They are in Texas
In Texas they are
@T1HG_Gmo no, they work for a company.
@@T1HG_Gmono we aren’t. We do not answer to municipalities or tax payers typically. Security guards are only responsible for their contracted sites and clients. Who ever told you that is wrong. We are state licensed in Texas but, not public servants. Like calling a plumber a public servant who works for Rotor Rooter.
@@T1HG_Gmo you've posted the same nonsense at least a dozen times
James-James rocks the T-Rex vibe like a boss!
I can bet James doesn’t have a job anymore
James James*
Bet he does
He got a pay increase for handling an idiot correctly.
Mans got a promotion with a raise. Now teaches Situation Management
Some of these security guards too quickl to act.they should be arrested .
How does infringing on a citizen's rights give the police officers a passing grade? Any unconstitutional act is an automatic F.
Logically handcuffing someone does mean "arrest". No matter time was/were put on the detained individual.
The definition of arrest contains the verbiage “take into custody”. He was never transported nor booked. So never arrested.
As the pepper sprayed victim is the complainant asking for medical help and not the mall cops he should never have been "detained" or "cuffed" and had his property illegally seized as per the mall cops "he didn't use those on us." Because it was all on camera.
Based on the report he was wielding a pointy weapon ergo scissors with a pointy edge detaining him and putting him down was for sure prudent
The cops were called for an alleged aggressive person armed with a weapon and who was willing to use it. When they arrived a man approached them who was clearly agitated and refused to listen to them when they requested him to stop and turn around. In that situation it's totally reasonable to stop and retain that person until you can figure out what's going on. It was the guy's own demeanour that got himself into that situation.
The unlawful tyranny is the country is unreal. I hope a lawsuit is coming!!!
Well, it's privately owned land, and security is not a public servant they have a right to kick him off the property, the spraying him, I don't know about that
The unlawful tyranny in (not is) this country is unreal.
@washguy9577 correct I am referring to the 4th amendment violating
@@dannysanders4327 Fix the typo. Should be *in this country, not "is this country."
@@Eidolon1andOnly done, thx!!!
This video is the perfect example why you should remain calm. His demanding attitude, although probably justified made the situation a lot worse than it was.
I don't give two shyts what the convoluted law of man says. If you are handcuffed, you are under arrest. PERIOD.
I get the feeling that Mr. Stone was a complete jerk to the security guards and that's why he got pepper sprayed.
After seeing how aggressive he came at the office, I can only imagine how he was with security.
Being a jerk won't legitimize it. Acts of aggression can though.
This guy needed detained. Probably also a psychological evaluation
Damn guys, working towards 3million! That's crazy! I remember not that long ago when you only had about 60thousand subscribers. I knew your channel would become super popular 😉
Some tips for the photographer: 1. The guy admitted that he approached the guard, not the other way around. If you have words with someone, do not move toward them. 2. If someone pepper-sprays you, don't confront them, be FIRST to call police, and tell them you've been assaulted. 3. Whenever dealing with cops you need to KEEP YOUR COOL. The on-screen text says the 1st officer was "combative", but that's not what I saw. Police had been told (See #2) a civilian had a weapon and was creating a disturbance, and when they arrive, they find the photographer mad and yelling. The police reacted to that. If he had kept his cool, they probably wouldn't have even cuffed him.
B- seems extremely generous for a guy who acted like a complete jackass start to finish and was wrong about almost every single thing he said legally