Is it Too Late for the MCU to Make a Comeback? Can Deadpool and Wolverine Save the MCU?
Is it Too Late for the MCU to Make a Comeback? Can Deadpool and Wolverine Save the MCU?
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Clicked faster than Wolverine saying the F word
Good one haha
You are a fine example bro that the “MCU is dead” talk is BS. Our beloved franchise is so dear to our hearts that we’ll always come back to have more of it. And Kevin Feige and co. don’t take our love and interest in MCU for granted.
Wolverine didn’t say the F word that fast
"JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE STUMBLES AND LOSES THEIR WAY. DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE LOST FOREVER." -Professor X
Maybe it’ll make a comeback, but nothing on the scale like before I think. I don’t think one single movie can do that either, it’ll take a string of great movies with no losses in between. No Way Home and Guardians 3 would’ve done this otherwise. Consistency, which is what the Infinity Saga had however some of us may feel about the movies individually. Regardless, I do look forward to this movie, but it will probably be the last thing I check out from the franchise personally…
You might think I’m crazy but I personally feel Marvel should push the next two Avengers movies all the way to 2029 & 2030. For one it would give Marvel enough time to work on the scripts and be the best that it can be. It took years of build up and hype for IW & Endgame to reach that level of success (2 billion dollars or close to 3 billion), if they want to see that same level of success with Kang Dynasty & Secret Wars releasing those movies in just half that time is unrealistic. Also, Marvel is not in a good state right now they constant bangers in order to win people's trust back and that will give them a lot of time to build hype and give audiences a lot of time to connect with these new characters.
@@marcusdrake2400 not at all what you’re saying is exactly what I’ve said previously that Kang Dyanasty or whatever it’s called now and Secret Wars, if they want to be good movies, should not be out within the next 2 years and instead be given another 6-7.
I think the MCU can definitely make a come back, but not just with one movie. It has to consistently put out good movies to earn back the audiences trust.
What Marvel needs to do is stop making huge, multiversial films, focus on individual, quality movies, and earn the audience's trust again. A director who has a vision would also be helpful.
It's been successful for them also DC doing the same
Spidey 4 needs to be grounded and street level but Sony doesn't want to play ball
They did. In fact those stories took up the majority of Phase 4 and you still got mad.
@@RazorO2Productions feige already mentioned they taking their time and Disney already won
@@RazorO2Productions still going to be a little wait for Spidey 4
Guardians 3 was by far the best mcu project since endgame, it’s a top 3 mcu movie for me
Loki, Spider-Man NWH and GOTG3 are my current favourites post-Endgame.
don’t forget x men 97! it’s the first disney marvel show i’ve seen that actually feels good by normal show standards, not just “good for a marvel show” and i’m here for it
Absolutely 💯%
Deadpool and wolverine will be the true beginning of the multiverse saga and there will be a clear goal and story as to where the mcu is headed. In Ryan we trust!
Absolutely, The Main Problem Of Marvel Lately Is That They Are Called After " The Multiverse Saga " But They've Barely Focused In That At All, Instead We Are Getting Unnecessary Stuff Like Eternals, ECHO, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion And Etc. Etc. The Thing That Made The Infinity Saga Great IMO Is That It Focused On The Infinity Stones And Setted It Up In Every Movie, And That Worked Cause The Saga Is Named After That, But Sadly The Multiverse Saga Is Not Like That, Instead Of Focusing On One Thing, They Are All Over The Place With So Many Different Characters For No Reason At All That Make The Stories More Confusing And All Over The Place
The true beginning? We’ve had like 10 films and 10 shows in the multiverse saga already. If this is just now the beginning then that’s not a good thing.
Are you sure? Kelsey Grammer as Beast also relates to the X Men, but his post credits scene meant nothing specific for the future.
@@patricklarsen182you dont know that yet because we havent even seen the outcome of that post credit scene in the marvels, because for all we know it could get answered in Deadpool 3.
Endgame released 5 year ago today! AND The Flash vanished in crisis (in another timeline) today!
Deadpool 3 better be very good if it wants to save the mcu
Same
We're still gonna get some piss stain stinkers.😕
That’s Deadpool & Wolverine
We have gotten high quality recently though. Shan chi, no way home, guardians 3, Loki season 1 and 2, werewolfe by night, all rock. Issue is this universe has no direction, too many characters, and too much mediocrity
I think it will be a very good movie but it will not save the MCU
We had some golden nuggets like Falcon and Winter Soldier, WandaVision, Loki S1 and 2, Moon Knight, GotG Vol 3, Spider-Man No Way Home, and Shang-Chi. If Deadpool and Wolverine works and future projects continues with good receptions, then the MCU could be back in its feet.
It's never too late for anything to find it's footing and return too it's glory days, but marvel needs to focus on more great standalone movies without any multiverse sh*t to earn the audience back! Please Kevin Listen!
Time is absolutely dwindling, but it is possible. Marvel needs to focus it’s trajectory to a single point, and connect every project to that point in some regard. Tying everything together is the key to a successful franchise, and they’ve done it in the past, so they just have to bring back that cohesion..
It's not too late they just have to do what they did in the first 3 phases of the mcu and just tell a sincere cohesive story that's all they have to do
The reason why the mcu was centered around Iron Man, Cap and Thor is because those were the only characters left who marvel didn’t sell the rights to. Now we’re finally going back to the X-men and the fantastic four, marvel’s a-list teams. The marvel that most of us grew up with before the mcu
The problem with the MCU right now is that the best installments feel like standalone films that have no sign of being followed up on any time soon. Shang-Chi, Wakanda Forever, Guardians 3, heck, even No Way Home were all good films, but they haven't taken us anywhere since. Then you have the stuff that gave a compelling setup for future projects, but then the follow-up projects squandered the potential that was laid out. Examples would be how Multiverse of Madness squandered WandaVision or how Quantummania squandered Loki Season 1. Combine that with the lack of any central characters to latch onto (a big problem considering that story is only as strong as the characters driving the story), and it's hard to be invested because there frankly isn't a compelling reason to keep watching. I firmly believe the MCU died in 2022 as a franchise, and now the best it has to offer is the occasional quality standalone picture. In order to fix this, Marvel needs to go back to the drawing board, and pick some key players for the audience to latch onto and then keep those characters in the public eye for awhile. That's why the Infinity Saga worked. They got us invested in Tony, Steve, and Thor in Phase 1, and then after that, they kept releasing films with at least one of those characters in it each year. Want to introduce the Guardians of the Galaxy? Release a Captain America movie the same year so we don't feel like we're losing focus (and also give them a connection to the villain that was teased in the first Avengers movie). Want to introduce Doctor Strange? Release his movie the same year as a movie with most of the Avengers roster in it. Want to introduce some new heroes like Wanda, Black Panther, and Spiderman? Introduce them in one of your big Avengers movies and then make spinoff movies. This is how they made sure everything felt connected. Character drove the stories, and each character was given some kind of connection to pre-existing characters or was promised to crossover with pre-existing characters in the near future (and we could point to exactly when those crossovers would occur based on post credit scenes and the release schedule). Right now, we're just throwing characters at the wall to see what sticks without giving them a reason to stick. That's the problem, and that's why the best projects feel like standalone films that happen to be set in this universe.
The multiverse aspect was a bad idea I think, yeah it gave us cool stuff in No Way Home but they didn't deliver on the multiverse later on and it just makes things confusing too.
Whew a lot was unpacked here in this video you made some great points Sean. I don’t think it will ever get to Endgame peak levels but hopefully they can get back to having 75 percent or more of movies in the upcoming phases to be good to great
I agree to save the MCU there needs to be more consistent success instead of relying one project specifically.
I personally would give anything to see Deadpool mocking and roasting the living hell out of She-Hulk and letting her know who's the superior fourth wall breaker here. Lmao
Or go back in time and give it the green lantern treatment
This is just sad
Thats most likely not going to happen.
@@iraford5788 A fan can dream, can they?
endgame is five years old tonight
It could be good again, but it will never be one the same level as Phase 1-3, Look at American Idol, the simpsons, Teenage mutant nija turutes etc. They were massive at one point, but have never been able to have the same level as popularity as their peak.
Not always true. Popularity comes back around. Star Wars has had revivals several times.
@@sackthebastard I think the difference with Star wars, is for the main movies, there used to be a 10-15 year gap so there was time for the audiance to miss it. There was of course games, cartoons etc but the movies were what the casuaul audiance were more interested in. Problem with the MCU they will not take a break for 5 years, they will always be making 2-3 movies / year plus disney+ shows. So there is no way to really miss as there is always new installments coming out that are required viewing. Not saying it is impossible for the MCU to become is big as it used to, but it will be very difficult.
I think this’ll be a step in the right direction for Marvel if the movie is done right
This was my favorite movie franchise. If I just look at the Infinity Saga, it still is. It just sucks to see my favorite winning horse getting continuously beaten by Disney and how much it’s fallen from grace. I don’t think anything can save this franchise, they even brought the 3 SPIDER MEN together and it hasn’t made their problems go away.
I agree but Spider-Man no way home had the biggest post Endgame buzz other than what Deadpool & Wolverine is doing not even guardians 3 had a big hype to it overall
The MCU is still my favorite movie franchise, if I only count the Infinity Saga. No Way Home, Shang-Chi and Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 can be included. Honestly, I'm not holding too much hope on this franchise because I've been let down too many times. At least I can look forward to Deadpool and Wolverine. Seems like a good movie to watch and worth buying a ticket. Hopefully, Marvel has listened to feedback from the audience, if not, then I wish then good luck in making money from the audience because I won't be seeing any MCU project without good reviews from the audience.
@@joshvilar2582Nobody cares where you spend your money kid carry on
I don’t think it’s Disneys fault. It’s the audiences fault for having too many insane expectations. Disney is just trying to please the marvel fan base but the fan base can’t even figure out what it wants.
Love your videos Sean!
Deadpool and wolverine has to be minimum 9/10. Cap 4 has to be minimum 8/10 and thunderbolts has to be minimum 8/10. Also the shows have to at least be 7s. If they can nail all that then we can say there back
Love your videos Sean! Keep it up 🙏🏻
Love your vids
No, It's not too late until next year. My prediction: I don't think Deadpool and Wolverine make it to a billion dollars, but I think it's going to be a success. But this movie isn't going to save the MCU just yet. I don't know if Marvel will make an appearance at comic-con this year, but I hope Kevin Feige should come out and make some changes to the middle half of Phase 5. If audiences are excited, I'm all looking forward to Thunderbolts* and Avengers 5 (Working title) in 2025.
Bring back Tchalla son of Tchaka
Yes
@@TerrellAustin19941 you see how I said son of tchaka and not tchalla right?
It's never too late for a comeback. If a football team plays a bad season after seasons of win, should they just call it quits and disband?
A football team doesn’t have a canon narrative that can be thrown out, crapped on, and completely disregarded time and time again until fans stop caring. A football team also has the advantage of being based in a city so even if they haven’t been good for years you still have people with pride in their city that will support through the bad times. The MCU (and Hollywood franchises as a whole) don’t get that saving grace.
@@justincharles2185 You're missing my point. There are football teams and other sports teams that have made one bad decision after another, putting them in a losing streak, So much so that they lose to teams they should be dominating over. Yet people still support them. It doesn't matter why they support them. No one is saying that the mcu has been hitting the mark since endgame. But it's much more reasonable to want them to do better, while acknowledging their mistakes instead of spending time crapping on it, then act like you've been a fan the whole time if they suddenly start doing better. They sound less like fans and more borderline.
Not a very good comparison, the general public or casual fans are walking away in big numbers and moving onto other things. Video game movies and shows are already taking over as top dog.
@@EddieHenderson92 It's a valid comparison when talking about the more dedicated fanbase. In the case of the general public, they will flock back if the movie is good. Just look at gotg 3 coming off the heels of antman 3. And there's a lot of hype surrounding deadpool 3.
@@metallicnole4514 The point being is that MCU will never be as big as it used to be without the general public. Sure GOTG 3 did good because it was the end for Gunn in the MCU and many of those characters.
I've been loving 90% of movies they released since phase 3 ended🤷♂️
Love your videos!!!
Its exactly like Guardians. The first two came out when Marvel was on the rise. Now the third installment is coming out after the big peak of Infinity War and End Game and its been in the works for a few years so yeah it'll feel like a continuation of the first two instead of feeling like Love and Thunder or The Marvels. But also it's Deadpool so its kind of its own thing so yeah of course it'll stick out and itll only stick out more when it's held up next to the current phase of MCU. Just really hard to compare and contrast.
I still can’t get over how they turned Dock, into a tentacle joke in no way home and threw him out the window. 😩
That’s not what happened though
Great Vid Sean! In my opinion It’s to late in my opinion because the people in charge will not change their ways and just like No Way Home it will not be enough to save a failing universe, just boost it up…
Before when a mcu movie came out and I had a post credits scene that scene led in the next film that came out a couple months later or the next year now its like an mcu movie comes out and the post credits scene sets up something we have no idea when they'll go back to for example doctor strange 2 had Charlize Theron as Clea that was 2 years ago we have no idea when doctor strange 3 comes out another example is thor 4 has hercules at the end but when is that story gonna be resolved another example when is Shang Chi 2 getting made or when is the ending of eternals gonna get addressed marvel has to go back to telling cohesive stories about characters that actually have arcs and character growth like Iron Man and Steve Roger's that's what makes fans care is seeing the life journey of these characters
While they could make the rest of the saga good I think at this point we’re all gonna look at the Multiverse saga as a missed opportunity, but something tells me that once we get beyond the Multiverse Saga the MCU is gonna take that to heart and get back to what made them great in the first place and the next saga they do will be a huge comeback, think of it like Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy coming out after Batman Forever and Batman and Robin tarnished the reputation of the original Tim Burton franchise
Haven’t watched since the last Spider-Man movie.I don’t feel the desire to watch them and the first few Disney plus shows only made me go meh. I’ll always hold the first run of the mcu till endgame closely but me personally I’m not glued into continuing to be watching
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Not so good is a very generous description of some of the things we've gotten from the MCU the last few years.
the centerpiece was captain America. lets face it. they were lucky but at the center of that was the performance of the original captain. and now he's gone...... as much as I like Mackie. I prefer him as a side character. I prefer the basic strong man powers. nothing fancy. just tough.
People have been saying the MCU is on the verge of collapse since Phase II. It's not so much that Marvel can't make a comeback with Deadpool & Wolverine as whether fans are angry it's continuing with or without them. They're still doing things that work - just cut back on the amount of releases and people will warm up again.
This is just an objectively factual comment.
Even if D&W is amazing, it will take more consistently good projects for the MCU to be deemed "saved". The last two years felt like every time a great project came around, everyone was like "WE'RE BACK!" and then a bad/mediocre project came next. In 2022 we got Love and Thunder and She-Hulk, then we got Wakanda Forever. Then we got Quantumania. Then we got Guardians. Then we got Secret Invasion. Then we got Loki S2. Then we got the Marvels and Echo.
The Marvels was fantastic. You also skipped a bunch of projects, making your argument seem cherry picked.
People! No need to wory. If movie is gonna be sucsess lieke it points then this will save mcu.
Thor Love and Thunder was the beginning of the downfall. It had so many silly jokes, it had became the worst movie in the Thor franchise. I think the director let his ego get to him when he did the opposite of what he was supposed to do.
Yes!
The breaking the fourth wall, going into the writers room thing in She Hulk was just bizarre. They would have never ever ever done anything like that in pre endgame. It would just be an unbelievably wtf moment because it wouldn't fit consistently at all
I just care about movies being good. Concepts of "too late" and these phases should be irrelvant so long as the movies are good. Good movies get remembered and are more likely to do well at the box office.
When people realize the movies are leading to something, it will get hype again. But now it just seems directionless
I love the McU SO MUCH but there is no denying after endgame, things began to really unravel. Only movie I loved more after endgame was the past Spider-Man Far From Home.
Yes
Sean, you meant “feagmented”, not segmented (the audience). “Deadpool & Wolverine” will be great. I have no doubt about that. It’ll be huge. The question is: Will it be as big as “Infinity War”, “Endgame”, or “Spider-Man: No Way Home”? No, it won’t…I disagree with you when you say that “D&W” won’t lift the overall MCU. It will. And, it will be crucial viewing. More than just its own thing.
I just think they need to chill and take their time.
The Jonathan Majors controversy is also a major set back to the MCU.
What comeback? What do they need to come back from?
It’s definitely not too late. All it takes is good content. Like, look at DCEU and the mess that was. But, if the new DCU is great then DC will be fine. Just make good movies and TV shows and people will watch.
If the MCU really wants to make a come back, they need 4 out of the next 5 projects to be good to great again. Similar to a sports team going on a mostly loosing streaking, they need to string together several wins to get the confidence back. I am worried that Even if Deadpool and Wolverine is great , it will just be followed up projects that either will be medicore or the audiance will just not care about as mucj (thunderbolts, Captain america 4, Agatha etc) and we will be back to square one.
Deadpool and Wolverine will probably be good or great, Agatha might be good (Jac Schaeffer who worked on WandaVision was attached to write and executive produce and interns of director(s) Schaeffer and Gandja Monteirodirected multiple episodes of series, with Monteiro directing the finale. Rachel Goldberg also directed. Gandja Monteiro is known for Wednesday (2022), Brand New Cherry Flavor (2021) and Control/Option/Escape (2018).), Cap 4 looks like it might be okay, Thunderbolts will likely be good or great (They have a writer from the Netflix show Beef, and Writer from the show The Bear, a writer from Thor Ragnarok, Black Black Widow, & some one shots, and the director worked on Beef. F4 will likely be good or great , Daredevil Born Again might be good or great.
@@rayanvij3457 heres hoping!
Yes, next question.
Venom: Let There Be Carnage, Morbius, Doctor Strange In the Multiverse of Madness, Thor: Love & Thunder, She-Hulk: Attorney At Law, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Secret Invasion, The Marvels > Madame Web
I mean many movies series and studios after awhile will hit a period of mediocrity at some point. It’s entirely possible they’ll pick back up but who knows
It'll be like Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3. That was a great film, but they failed to keep it up after that. They just gotta keep the quality up over time
What About 20th Century Fox Logo
the avengers will be a topic in cap 4 so i think we might see the lineup there
What’s all this comeback talk? MCU is already in fine form with its latest releases GotG Vol.3 and Loki S2. The Marvels was also very fun and entertaining alas some people didn’t show up due to their prejudices. And with Avengers 5, Spider-Man 4, Fantastic Four and Daredevil: Born Again fast approaching, the buzz and excitement around MCU would increase further and further!
You are a fine example of pure copium and its thx to people like that the MCU will remain on a decline.
@@user-bt9yh8jn1q Yeah because the MCU creators purposely make bad films.
for me is quite simple people will go see the movies if they're good, it happens with a lot of franchises, even when they're under a rough patch, when people hear they're good, they go see them, so if they manage to go back of making constantly good movies then yes, and honestly, saying that it nees a come back is a to harsh, sure it has lost quality but there's still plenty of great stuff, like gotg 3, shang chi, spiderman no way home, loki, moon knight, and others, also, come on man, the new deadpool trailer just dropped, no need to be a kill joy
I think it's never too late to make a comeback
Idk
I don't think so it was too late for dceu since James gunn resetting the dceu
I hope you're watching X-Men 97! That's the best Marvel project since Endgame! ❎
Considering the fact that we are essentially at the point in Phase 4/5 that Winter Soldier and Guardians 1 came out and the lead up to Age of Ultron was clear, seems as though we have reached that impossible recovery point. Nothing lasts forever, and that's ok, it's why I decided Guardians 3 was the jumping off point for me. Go out on a high, you know?
Yep. You probably chose wisely. haha
They just need to make good projects again. Even if it’s still unfocused and has varying tones, if the projects are good ppl will show up
I wont shed a tear.
Have we had a lot of problems over the last few years? Yes. Has there been far more bad than good coming out of this franchise? Yes. Have most general audiences pretty much given up on this franchise? Yes. But projects like No Way Home, Guardians 3 and hopefully Deadpool prove that if they take their time, hire people who genuinely love the franchise and characters and try to focus on projects they actually WANT to make rather than "content" for disney, we can hopefully see this franchise return to what we fell in love with in the first place
I was excited for phase 4 from WandaVision but it shattered with No Way Home. They were doing well by developping of characters (Sam/Bucky, Wanda, Vision, Loki etc...) and introducing new ones (Agatha, the Eternals, Shang-Chi, Moon knight). Loki and WhatIf were our way in the multiverse and it felt natural. Then came NWH with the amnesia/multiverse shattering bs spell and that fraud of a director that is jon watts and everything went to sh*t. With NWH something went wrong and it's frustrating
Even if they can't make a comeback, I'll still check out any new films they drop
well in my opinion, it will never go back to the hype and release of what was next, I think it'll stay the way it is with some wins and some losses. for example deadpool 3 looks like a win but ironheart, agatha look like a big L
The thing is, you can't really compare the popularity and hype of Guardians of the Galaxy... with Deadpool If they fuck Deadpool and Wolverine, then there is a good chance it might hit a point of no return, since many love that character and its movies
In my opinion, no matter how good or great or disappointing Deadpool and Wolverine would turn out. The upcoming movies (Captain America : Brave New World and ETCs) will likely pull MCU back into cycle of Superhero Fatigue. Because how to save the MCU (and winning the audience back) isn't just about a single great movie, it's about what came after it that could or couldn't save the MCU. If their next movie is amazing (let alone the best MCU movie ever made) but what came after are another mediocre to subpar stuffs, then nothing can be save and downfall is inevitable...
Hey Sean , you’re waiting for X-Men 97 to finish before you review it? Dope vid too
Thanks I put out a short with my quick thoughts. I'll have more when the season is over. I haven't been able to watch week to week. But something will happen at the end.
@@SeanChandlerTalksAbout cool, I’ll be looking forward to your season review once it’s complete
It's too late for me. They have already messed up the quality and consistency of some of the characters and their storylines. For it to work for me they would have to take some of the previous projects out of the canon.
I don’t believe they need to remove any projects from the cannon for it to work. But which projects do you believe they need to remove?
@@rayanvij3457 Honestly I’d want them to drop or redo everything after Far From Home excluding No Way Home and Guardians 3. They could probably get away with fixing the MCU in other ways for people but I don’t know if they can for me. For context, I liked to rewatch the MCU in its entirety every so often. Up until Infinity War it was an enjoyable watch for me all the way through. Not every movie was the best but I still got enjoyment from them. I think they should have waited on Captain Marvel until Phase 4, but I won’t get into that. To keep it on the shorter side, if I were to do a MCU rewatch right now I would watch Iron Man - Far From Home, and then No Way Home, Love and Thunder, and Guardians 3 (because it provides a little closure for those character’s arcs for me…but maybe leave out love and thunder). MCU is so messy in Phases 4 & 5 that I would almost rather they just ignore both phases and start again. For a lot more detail continue below: For the shows, I stopped watching after Moon Knight: - WandaVision - This is the best show imo but the last 1~2 episodes ruined it for me. I think Wanda should have been the villain and they could have made Agatha seem like the villain but in the end she is trying to stop Wanda. This show also leads into Dr Strange 2 poorly as it seems Wanda calmed a little and then is okay with murdering innocents the next time we see her. I know supposedly Dark Hold, but they didn’t do a good job of showing it’s influence. - Falcon and the Winter Soldier - The best character in this show was US Agent (can’t remember his name). Sam and Bucky were portrayed poorly and seemed like they were only hating on him because it wasn’t Steve. The worst thing he did was kill a terrorist. He shouldn’t have killed him in that way, maybe, but Captain America (as well as the rest of the Avengers I’m sure) has killed many people and there were no complaints. Bucky also seemed really weak in that show compared to previous movies. Also really bothered me that Sam didn’t get super serum but is somehow going to be the new Captain America. - Loki season 1 - They made Loki so weak. I also don’t buy him being on the good side so quickly at that point in his life. He should have been physically stronger than a lot of the people he fought in that show and I was waiting for him to go back to his scheming self. All I remember is everyone outsmarting him and him just following people around. - Hawkeye - I didn’t like Echo and the did a bad job with Kingpin. He should have been smarter and more ruthless. Netflix did Fisk better. - Moon Knight - Was cool at first and just kinda faded out. Don’t remember all the details which is kinda bad. - I didn’t watch She-Hulk, Secret Invasion, or Echo but from what I have read/seen there is nothing there for me. I’m pretty disappointed in secret invasion especially. Seems like they killed Nick Fury’s character over time and the event itself should have been way bigger. Not to mention that it’s a bad idea to give one character everyone else’s powers. Movies: - Black Widow - First 2/3 of the movie was okay for the most part and then last 1/3 was pretty bad. Could do without this movie - Doctor Strange MOM - Wanda was presented horribly. Could have been really cool as the villain but did not make sense to me after the Wandavision ending. Dr. Strange seemed to be helpless against her and was presented to be way more powerful in previous movies. Was lame to see him just running most of the time and didn’t feel like he did much. - Thor Love and Thunder - I actually liked some of the story ideas here and liked some Jane in this movie. Should have been way more serious and was overall executed terribly. Should have gotten someone else to direct this. - Wakanda Forever - I hate that they decided to kill off T’Challa. If they really wanted to do this storyline and give Chadwick an in-universe memorial this should have taken place during the blip. As it is now he dies, comes back, and immediately dies again. It also wasn’t believable to me that everyone was okay with Shuri getting the black panther juice and leading everyone. M’Baku seemed to be a better choice after the first movie. The underwater city was lame and I wanted to see Namor go up against T’Challa. I honestly forget this movie exits most days. - Antman & The Wasp Quantumania - What even was this? One of the worst movies imo because it felt like a bunch of nothing and had none of the character of the first two movies. And what are they even going to do with Kang now? Depending on what happens with Kang it seems almost better to drop anything he is involved in. - Shang-Chi - It was alright. I enjoyed it for the most part but I just kind of forget about it. Idk why they tried to make Katie a warrior and maybe even an Avenger? That’s pretty ridiculous. The ending made the Avengers seem like a club anyone could join. I know they aren’t confirmed Avengers but it was presented weirdly to me. - Eternals - I think I enjoyed this movie more than most people but it’s not great. Seems so detached from the rest of the MCU especially after zero acknowledgment of a giant dude popping out of the ocean going forward. - The Marvels - Didn’t watch. I haven’t thought about any of these in a while. At this point I’m not looking forward to the MCU but Deadpool could be cool. I don’t really have faith in any other announced projects at this time.
@@Duckywallpaper NOTE: In case you’re wondering I read your entire reply. You said that you’d want them to drop or redo everything after Far From Home excluding No Way Home and Guardians 3. And that they could probably get away with fixing the MCU in other ways for other people but you're not sure if they can for you. To that I ask one question: what if every MCU project (movies and tv) going forwards was enjoyable like the infinity saga would that fix the MCU for you? You have an enjoyable 3 phases in the infinity saga, A hit or miss phase 4, a phase 5 whose start is hit or miss but whose end is enjoyable, and a phase 6 which is entirely enjoyable. Also Marvel/Disney would lose too much money if they ignored phases 4 & 5 and had to redo them. For my responses to your further detail continue below: For the shows I have seen every single one of them fully except for Ms Marvel (only watched the first 2 episodes), Loki S2 (only watched the first episode), and Echo (I started an mcu watch through so I didn’t watch echo when it came out) - WandaVision - I agree that they could have tied it into Dr strange 2 better. It is my second favourite show. My favourite being Loki S1. - Loki season 1 - is probably my favourite show. - Falcon and the Winter Soldier & Hawkeye - need to watch again - Moon Knight - I liked it but could’ve been better. My favourite episode was 4 or 5 the one where Mark and Steven are in the land of the dead and go through memory lane. I would say most people's top 2 episodes of the show are 1 & 4 or 5 the memory lane one. I would say that those two episodes are the ones that really dive into who Moon Knight is and the dynamic of Mark and Steven. Movies: - Black Widow - Agree with what you said. Nat and Yelena had some fun moments with each other, but the third act could have used some work. - Doctor Strange MOM - At the end of WandaVision they redeem Wanda, but what they should have done is have her fall further into the darkness then redeem her by the end of Dr Strange MOM. - Thor Love and Thunder - Agree with what you said. Movie needed to be more serious. - Wakanda Forever - Overall I would say that I enjoyed it. T’Challa died 3 times in the eyes of his family. The father died in Civil War, the family thought that T’Challa died in the first Black Panther, then he bliped, then he actually dies in the beginning of Black Panther 2. - Antman & The Wasp Quantumania - Wasn’t terrible. What they could have done is have Kang send MODOK from the quantum realm to the normal realm (don’t no what to call it) to take out Scott and the Pyms. - Shang-Chi - Overall I enjoyed it. It’s one of my favourite movies from phases 4 & 5. - Eternals - Not one of my favourite movies. As for the giant hand if the rumors are true it will be dealt with in the Thunderbolts*. - The Marvels - haven’t seen yet. I'm in the middle of my MCU watch through, so I will eventually get to it.
@@rayanvij3457 Thanks for reading my lengthy post. To answer your question, It would be hard for them to fix the MCU as a whole for me. I could like movies in the future but I don't see any reason why I would want to revisit any of the current shows or a couple of the movies (specifically Wakanda Forever). Loki is probably the best show, but I don't like what they did with Loki as a character. I understand it is incredibly unrealistic for them to drop projects or redo them. For me to consider it fixed they would have to at least disregard/ignore the TV shows so I wouldn't have to include them in a rewatch. But I don't see that happening. It's just too messy now and they have portrayed a lot of characters in weird ways in phases 4 & 5 imo. I agree with most of your thoughts on the shows and movies, but none of them really hit with me. I didn't feel satisfied with any of the shows by the end. Moon Knight - I really liked this show and the Mark and Steve dynamic like you. But it fell off in the end for me. I think they shouldn't have made his wife a hero this season, especially not with that amount of episodes. It took valuable time and spotlight away from Moon Knight. Wakanda Forever - Haha I completely forgot about the fake-out death. I feel like his family could half-expect him to show up alive at any moment. This is the movie I would just like to forget happened. To me it is so dumb that they through T'Challa as a character away and I didn't really like the movie at all. I'm curious to see what they do going forward but I really don't see how they could fix the current MCU in my eyes.
Financially, I believe the MCU is well past the point of no return. They might be able to regain the quality storytelling and creativity, but I don't think it's possible for them to bring in the ticket sales that they used to - and I agree that 2022 was the year that everything started to go sideways (movies and D+ series) and for all the good that came out of 2023 (GotG, Loki S2), it was more than offset by the bad. I would love to be proven wrong, however.
Any day, the people permanently no longer unfairly shit on the MCU when they don't have to is when I can finally be at peace with being an MCU fan again and never get clowned for it either.
You gonna get clowned on defending this goofy ahh phase 4 and 5 either way man 😂
@@user-bt9yh8jn1q Go watch Madam Web then. I think you'll feel like shit for shitting on 4 and 5 afterward. See if I care 😠
@@wickdaline8668 one horrible movie doesn’t forgive other mediocre or similarly bad films
@NinthShinigami In my eyes, the bad from P4 and 5 were at least goofy mindless fun bad. Madame Web was as fun as staring at a brink fence until you pass tf out.
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Cool video tho
Endgame was also a natural ending to the saga. Really hard to keep people going when you reach a natural satisfying conclusion
Yall be negative again all you want change nothing about your opinion find out till hit in theaters july
in my personal opinion phase 4 as a whole was mid not bad but mid
Deadpool and Wolverine can get people excited again but if Captain America 4 right after that is bad, the hype’s just gonna fall
Remember when Stan Lee put out a couple poor issues and comics ended?
Most of the Last movies were fantastic. When the audience says they are Bad, the MCU is doomed. To make fantastic Movies and even fail. Its so sad. 😢 Some of the storylines were even better in Phase 4 than in Phase 1 to 3. But yeah. We need focus on characters and storylines. And soon.
Short answer: No it is not
Idk if I’d even call it a comeback since guardians 3 was a cirie so dnd commercial success but that film was more of a blip on the radar and around the blip was a ton of disappointing box office films.
Hey Sean, I asked this before, but I never got a response so I’m just curious why you haven’t been covering X-Men 97? Like, everyone’s loving, including me and I think you did a video on the first two episodes and you said it was pretty good. So, don’t know why you aren’t covering it week to week. I get it, you could be busy, but I’m just curious.
I don’t really like doing week to week TV reviews. The coverage I have done hasn’t performed all that well. And during its run I went to 2 film festivals and took a trip to Nashville.
Deadpool and Wolverine will make money but it's not going to save the MCU and make people care enough again to watch every show or movie. People want to see Deadpool back and this will probably be Jackmans last time as Wolverine, but most people will check right back out again.
They should put out at least 5 or 6 masterpieces in a row for people to get their hopes up again... What the MCU has become is just fucking sad
Mid mean middle so not go or bad. But in today’s movie land scape we seen to have the warped view movies. for a movie to be “good” it has to be an cinematic masterpiece and anything that isn’t god tier filmmaking is seen as lesser resulting in people taking middle of the road movie and call it bad. If it’s a bad movie just call it a bad movie ya know? the term mid really dumbed down any nuance in movie talk these days.
It's never too late for MCU people forever hate least they doing better than DCU Snyderverse
Lets FU**ING GOOO
I don't think it's to late
Okay how can people say MCU movies could be "mid at worst" when we had thor the dark world, ant man and the wasp, Iron Man 2, Captain Marvel..shall i keep going? I'd watch movies like MoM or Eternals any day over those
That is absolutely hilarious to me because I would watch Iron Man 2, Dark World, and Wasp GLADLY and HAPPILY before ever even having the thought of going back to Eternals or MoM or Captain Marvel 😂
Get better taste is all I have to say man.
@@NinthShinigami I agree
@@NinthShinigami bruh even tho MoM has some flaws, at least the highs are so much better than the slog fest that is dark world or iron man 2 that tried tackling way too much content
@Nacho-go3oi my top 3 favs are Civil War, Winter Soldier and Guardians 3. I'd say I have pretty good taste.