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Drunk on power or punch drunk from recoil, if more is better, the mighty .300 RUM is up there with the best. A big case, pushing large .30-caliber bullets at blazing speeds, make this one a staple for long-range, big-critter work. Is it practical for everyone? No. Is it the perfect fit for some? Yes. Do you need one? Maybe….Drink up and we’ll tell you all about it…Watch until end for the bonus surprise tree dedication.
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My dad won a 7MM RUM at a Rocky Mountain Elk banquet. He took one look at the cartridge and sold the gun without ever shooting it. He used the money to build himself a wicked 10/22 for squirrel hunting.🤣
Your dad is a smart man. It's a stupid finicky round to tune
@@sgtslippyfist6345 don’t be soft
@@taylorbokshowan5713 Has nothing to do with being soft. As he said; its a difficult round to handload and does nothing any other conventional Big game round wouldn't.
@@HailWoden18 depends what your definition of “anything else” is. Because in reality that’s not true. There’s other rounds that will run with it but they produce about the same recoil. (I shoot a 300 RUM for the record)
That’s Hilarious
This transitioning into an intervention was hilarious.
Love the 300 RUM. Too many people trying to reinvent the wheel with new calibers the last few years.
It’s no different than any other time, just more marketing. Just don’t run out and buy things. If something is still around after a decade, probably a pretty good round. Where did all the Remington SAUM’s go? Or the WSSM cartridge’s go? If you like your RUM, be a RUM guy. I don’t hate innovation, I don’t hate marketing, but I don’t care for sheep that regurgitate nonsense created by marketing teams. I respect your RUM. 🍻
When you see there's a 10 minute talk uploaded and the video is over 29 minutes, you know it's going to be good watch!
I have owned a 300 run hunting sambar here in Australia using 185 Berger VLD taking big bodied stags out to 1250 m. No problem great calibre 🦌👍🏻.. another great show thanks again guys 👍🏻👍🏻
I sighted one in for a gentlemen at a very dark indoor range back in the early 2000's. I fired half a box to get the job done and afterword my eyes were bloodshot and I flinched on the first shot of .22 right after. An I shot a lightweight 7mm Rem Mag extensively back then.
I've been watching you guys for 4 years. You've accompanied me on many long road trips for work and many hours of simply killing time. Love every minute of the podcast, and have learnt an absolute ton. I haven't laughed this hard at one of the episodes as I did this one with the "intervention." Cheers from Canada. I hope to have a beer with all of you one day.
Can we please have a 300 rum vs 300 prc vs 30 nosler. As a 30 nosler owner/loader I would love to see that.
The 300 remington ULTRA magnum is not in the same category as a the 30noz and 300prc. The 300prc and 30noz have around the same case capacity. The 300rum is about 10-15% larger. You can't load 100 300rum cartridges with a pound of powder assuming that you are loading near maximum charge weights. You can load more than 100 30noz or 300prc cases with a pound of powder.
@@kirkmartin2223 except for the fact all 3 have almost identical velocities within 50-75fps
@@colemanpreston3462 No, for us handloaders they are not even remotely close
Love my 300 RUM! I load 175gr Barnes LRX @ 3320fps in a factory Rem 700 AWR. Comfort is relative, you can’t pay attention to the recoil if you’re focused on executing the shot!
Great episode! Would love to see a vs. episode of the big 30. Cal magnums. Also would love to see an episode on the 6.5-06. Maybe a reloading video to go with it?
My fav case. I load the 245 Berger at 4.125” so single shot only but the performance is incredible. 245 @ 3140 FPS out of a 32” barrel
That sounds like an awesome load what powder are using I just picked up a 300 rum
@@brianvoegeli5067 N570 will be your best friend if you can find it
Dang that is cooking for that big round.
A 32 inch barrel? 😧
@@hamhocks yeah it’s a ELR rifle not hunting really needs 34” because 98 grains of powder takes about 30” of barrel to get the most out of it and the round is 4.125” long
300 rum is the big block in the gun world....And I love it!
RUM used to be huge in MT, I had both 300 and 338. Neither had muzzle breaks and we shot a LOT. I still have a twitch from them 😆
Giga Chad 🍻
@@dutch9357 giga young and dumb 😆 🍻
One benefit of all that recoil inducing gas pressure is the efficiency of a muzzle brake. We installed a LOT of brakes on bolt guns in our shop, and as a Weatherby repair shop we had plenty of first hand experience with the 30-378- with and without a brake. The 30-378 and the 300 RUM were both pussycats with a brake; just try to avoid firing them from an overhead covered position or your sinuses would curse you. The recoil was comparable to a .308 and we shot them all day long without complaint. Love those heavy 30's
7x57 Mauser! The people need a 10-minute talk on the 7x57 Mauser!!!
I own a 300RUM I bought new in December of 2000. Remington 700 Sendero.26" stainless barrel. I can attest to it's recoil. If I'm going to shoot more than 5rds, I strap on my PAST recoil pad. I thought $36.00 a box of 20 in 2001 was excessive. Today it's more like $90.00 a box for the 180gr Scirocco. Very powerful round. The ending had me laughing me ass off on your guys piling "intervention" on Mark. So funny when he left the set with a death hold on the papers he had printed up for the podcast. Long live the 300RUM
The ammo price sucks for 300 rum. It's at least a $100 a box. $5 or more a round. Being that Federal, Berger, and Hornaday all make 300prc ammo at $60 a box, much better off with a 300prc. Not to mention I see more rifles chambered in 300prc over the 300 rum now. Ammo cost I think is its biggest problem, it's an awesome, awesome cartridge
Yes But how many rounds do you need to shoot a year
I don't know anyone who buys a box of ammunition. Reload!
Nice, now let's see a Remingtom magnum with some real beef, 416 REM MAG!!
You guys are pure gold!
Yep I too own a 300 RUM in a Kelbley action and McMillan stock with a #17 contour barrel at 28.5” and man it’s a shooter and it’s fun and yes they kick like a mule but have just worked a load up for the 250 grain A tips and they do 2805 fps and a group less than quarter inch all day long definitely my favourite rifle by far to shoot 👌🏻😏 Also had a hot load for the 220 grain Sierra match kings that was doing just over 3200 fps punching holes straight through half inch plate at 500 yards 🤣👌🏻
I have owned a 300 Ultra Mag since 2005... it's a Remington Sendero... I have a muzzle break and it's a piece of cake to shoot...my 10-year-old grandson shoots it off of a lead sled and shoots it very well.. Ive shot 18 elk with this gun and they just fall over dead when the gun goes off...yes it's that good...lol... best load I found was Reloders 25 96 grains ...Nosler accubond 180 grains...great load...thanks for the post
Yes!!!! Thanks for doing the Rum!
That was just a great episode, the love, the love!
.300rum is my fav caliber(although .454 casull is closing the gap lol). My Rem 700 long range with a $400 Arken scope hits steel at a mile at Thunder Valley. The Ultradyne Apollo Max brake brings the recoil down to less than a .308. Joy to shoot all day long, just let the barrel cool after 2 or 3 rounds 😉👍
I can’t believe the 300 Norma wasn’t compared! I love my Long Throated 300 RUM. Able to run the 245eols at 3088fps. Sitting long at 3.950” COAL, but still able to feed from an Unknown Machine DBM! Great video guys.
Thanks for the great content guys. I fell into this caliber when a buddy of mine sold me his 700 long action that had been rebarreled in 300RUM. I set it in a Magpul stock and made a 220SMK/H1000 load for it. I need to revisit the caliber and make a 155 and 175 load for it but man... does it burn a bunch of powder just making a ladder test 🤣. You were spot on about the recoil too. If I'm taking several shots with it, I put a sand bag between the gun and myself. It's a freaking cannon.
Mark talent is the confidence in his shot and shows he wasnt confident in his own set up but used one that was more than capable 300 rum 730 moose shot is amazing
One thing I think worth mentioning is how it was marketed when it came out.. It was marketed with "3 power levels". 30-06, 300win , and full power of 300rum.
Which is funny, the 300 weatherby still was stronger
Close but not quite
I installed a terminator muzzle break on my Browning x-bolt 1-8" twist .300 RUM. Tames the recoil right down to recoil similarly to a .243 Win.
I have a very hard time believing a .300 rum would recoil like a .243 even in a 10 pound rifle.
@@colearmstrong2450 Have you ever used a Terminator muzzle break on any rifle? It allows you to focus on the shot instead of the recoil. Even my wife shoots the rifle and she can't handle anything recoiling more than a 6.5 CM. We both shot a .243 Win and a .300 RUM back to back and the only difference was the muzzle blast.....and cost of ammo ;)
Would love to see a 35 Remington episode. It's a good cartridge that's unfortunately going the way of the dodo.
I’m glad he mentioned the 30-378 before he got into the video. 30 cal 👑
300 RUM 700 Remington with muzzle Break‼️ Great weapon‼️
The tree dedication was awesome!😂😂😂
"Print out intervention", hilarious!
love these 10 min/ 30 min talks...🙃
I have a custom 300 rum and 338 Edge. Great case. They are both single shots. Can seat the bullet way out.
I bought my first 300 RUM around 2000. It was a stainless 700 sporter, in plastic stock with a Limbsaver pad. Everyone warned me I would be blown into oblivion, shooting the Remington max power 180 load. I grimaced squeezing the first shot off, and bang! The grimace changed to a huge grin! What recoil? About like my 300 mag, plus, it shot sub moa at 100! I just don't understand guys who declare the 300 RUM kicks too hard?
Ok guys, 300 Hamr nerd here, I recently am hearing about the new 8.6 BLK. It’s “supposed” to be a subsonic round suitable for hunting big game because of its “rotational” energy created by its 1 in 3 twist. I don’t really understand this as it still at subsonic speeds so that it can be suppressed. While the gel tests look awesome I figured I’d request the Vortex experts might be able to explain this if indeed there’s anything to it. Thanks!
New respect for Mark!!
I personally love my 338 rum running 185gr barnes tsx and ttsx using the same load and shoots the same size groups. About a month or two ago I finished building a 6.5-300 rum. It's definitely a hotrod and fun to reload for. So far I've developed loads for 127lrx and 130 eld-m. But I am also trying some heavier ones like the 153gr A-max. To be honest I prefer to shoot light for caliber bullets, I've just never been a fan of heavy for caliber bullets. I guess prefer the higher velocities, but I guess everyone has preferences. Hope everyone is having successful hunting seasons and staying safe out there.
I own one of these in a Remington 700. It does punish on both ends and thus, I reserve this gun for mostly bear and moose. It is a great tool to have in the cabinet!
I have a Remington 700 Big heavy gun and I enjoy shooting it I have taken a large moose and a 420 pound bear Each was one shot Is great tool when you needed
Great round. LOL'ed about the "this is just what is needed for MN whitetails" I will say that I side with Mark on this one. I have not printed out anything for work for several years now, however I think the situation of your podcast where you may need to access information quickly does justify it. And I know there have been episodes where Mark's printouts have added to the conversation because he had a fact ready at hand. You brought up a few egregious examples sure, but on net it is definitely a positive. Better to be prepared and not need it.
The rum based cartridgea are in fact not based off a 404 they are a completely different case a fire formed 404 is the case dimensions of a rum before its fired and the rum is 5 thousands bigger after being fired
I have a Remington 700 sendero chambered in 300 RUM, it’s my go to rifle for elk if I don’t fill my elk tags during archery season, I’ve killed 9 elk with it over the last 17 years and the farthest kill shot I took was 781 yards, I would definitely recommend this round for a elk hunter, I think I might buy a 338 rum one of these days too see how it performs, my uncle has one and he seems to like it alot
The CEO Is on board....mark has a tree. Great info and side story/jokes 👍
Out of my 26 inch barrel I can get a 208gr to 3250 fps. They are really down loaded from the factory. This cartridge and rifles built for it should have been designed to shoot 230s at 3000 fps.
I had a tree fall near my game cam that was set on video . Sound for sure lol
LOVE IT! What would be the ideal scope for the 300RUM?
Lads I've had a Rem 700 LH stainless laminated in 300 RUM. Plain-Jane KDF styled muzzle brake on the 26" barrel. Best load for my hunting in Northern Alberta is a 180 grain Accubond (BC .500) over 95.0 grains of Reloader 25 and Fed 215 primer. My old Chrony said 3350fps and my new MagnetoSpeed confirms 3340-3355. This load has been dropping big bucks and moose for over 2 decades. I started out with Remington factory loads of 180 grain Swift Sciroccos. That bullet is amazing for bang-flops and if I could've got some I'd have used them in my handloads. The lightest I've loaded were Barnes 130 grain TTSXs at 3700+ fps!
Just had to add that when I run out of Reloader 25 I have 8 pounds of Retumbo to move to. On the bench is a new take off 26" Sendero barrel to replace mine once its shot out. Stable setup with the Rem 700 action and lug bedded with Devon powdered steel epoxy that produces 3 shot 0.75" groups year after year. When the groups open up to 1.25" I'll swap barrels. Good show lads.
I can do the same thing with the .300 Weatherby with 20-25 grains less powder. This cartridge is definitely past the point of diminishing returns, and you will accelerate the barrel wear for no noticeable difference in performance.
The PRC stuff RUM etc is fascinating. super SUPER excited to hear a 10min on the upcoming 7mm PRC. Edited: sorry I am one of those big wheel guys however plenty of purpose. In Norther CA you need to defeat all the gates to reach the better areas. legalities are irrelevant when a company like SPI owns all of the land, questionable acquired from the train days.
I have a rum in a Fierce Carbon Fury and it’s so mild to shoot, it’s easy to hit animals at to 7-800yrds everyday of the week. I used a 300wsm kimber Montana for 15 years hav3 sold it now to my best friend. Great podcast boys,love your work Cheers from Australia
Do you have any complaints about the fierce? I was looking at buying one of their rifles in RUM but haven’t seen much on them
Lots of references and comments about the 300WM during this podcast. I am surprised you haven’t highlighted this “classic” cartridge. Would love to hear you highlight the 300WM.
I have a 300RUM in a Remington 700 Sendero. A beast!
Lmao, the philosophy and inefficiency in this episode 😂
Lol. Amazing call out.
If you can handle the recoil or don’t mind muzzle break’s the 300 rum is a awesome cartridge I chronograph it and I was getting a average of 3555 fps out of a 165 grain bullet with a factory Remington 700 with a muzzle break it would kill elk like lightning at a long ways and with a muzzle break it doesn’t kick that bad but without a muzzle break it is fierce
Love the title 💯😂
There was a company up here in Canada that was making beltless magnums. They were dubbed Imperial magnums. Might be an interesting read for you guys. It is related to what Remington came out with.
agree with the talk at 18:00. Love the variety in cartridges but dropping some would help ammo prices I think.
The 300 Weatherby will push a 180 at 3,250. With many of the new propellants it will 3,300. I think you should have put the 300 Norma Mag. I have been shooting belted magnums since 1975. I have never had a feeding problem. Make sure all rounds are pushed to the back of the magazine box and the belts are on top of each other. On a Weatherby Mark V, make sure you do not lose any of the shims that go under front trigger guards. That will change feeding angle.
One thing you have to remember, if it wasn't for the inefficient cartridges before, you wouldn't have the efficient cartridges we have now. In all reality, they are the forefathers of what we have today. They were the reason to make a better cartridge. They were the example to improve upon but boy can I can't wait to build my 28 nosler 😂
Not quite the Letterkenny of the shooting world, but you can hear the influence. Way to go boys!
Would love to hear y'alls thoughts on 460 Rowland. Been eyeballing it for a minute.
If you want a do it all rifle 300 rum with a muzzle brake is damn near perfect for extreme long range hunting
Love these cartridge talks. Would love to see one on the 7mm rem mag and also the SAUM cartridge's.
I don't think Ryan could be convinced to spend 10min on 7mm RM (he described it as very inefficient on the 7mm-08 video and much prefers his 280 AI) but the SAUM would definitely be interesting to hear about.
Holy 🐄!!!! It took long enough!!!
I would love to see one about the 9.3x62. I find it under appreciated here in the states
Jim absolutely won the podcast when he questioned the "efficiency" paradigm. If you know what the cartridge does and you know what you're doing, BC means nothing. "this cartridge drops 50" vs. this cartridge drops 60"" means nothing when you're dialing in anyway. At that point, all that matters is energy.
I have the 338 RUM and it is a crowd pleaser
I have a huge interest in 338-06 for a custom future build. Would love to hear what you gents have to say about the cartridge. As always Top notch info and good comic relief.
I was looking at the 338-06 and 9.3x62. I ended up with two of the 9.3x62 rifles. The 338-06 is at the top of my list for a future build though.
Noah, I have a true pre 64 model 70 (1952 receiver) with a 24" unknown maker 338 06 barrel in an unknown maker synthetic stock and put a Leupold VX3 3.5-10x40 - i traded for the gun the way it sits sans the scope. With my reloads (nosler 210 part, fed 210 primer, 58grs of imr 4350), the gun is moa or less and absolutely hammers PA and NY whitetails. I use it as my dual use gun (deer and bear) but have not used the 338 06 on a bear yet. Easily have over 3 dozen deer with the gun. Reason i say dual use is in PA we have, in some areas, concurrent deer and bear season. Rather than shooting deer with a 375 weatherby or shooting bear with a (say) 257 roberts, the 338 06 with the 210 part easily downs whitetails and i have no doubt would bring down a big bear - in northeast PA the largest taken was like 860lbs (not saying a 338 06 was used, but if i had an 800+ lb bear in front of me, id have no issues using the 338 06). Great cartride. Highly recommended. Good luck.
I’ve got a 338/06 Ackley Improved, killed a few deer with it and it is a hammer! The beauty of the cartridge is that all the common bullets work great in it because they were initially designed for the win mag and weatherby. I primarily use the Speer 200gr hot core and find it to be excellent at 2800ish fps. The hot core aspect of it makes it a lightly bonded bull so it stays together and gives complete penetration on deer and it’s aerodynamic enough to make the longer ranges doable… Wonderful round and I have no regrets about choosing it 👍
If you can find it, Steve Timm wrote an article about hunting with the 338/06 for Wolfe publishing that is a great read. It’s an older article but it covers years of hunting, multiple species of game and the experiences and thoughts from several guys that also hunted with Steve through the years that also used that round. It’s in the Wolfe publishing “wildcats” book. Which is a great read btw! You can’t go wrong! There was another article about the 280 Remington improved necked up to 338 that was a really good read….
I really enjoy your talks, can you look into the 325wsm, I have a Browning gold medallion. Thanks
Have you done an episode on 6mm CM? I'm thinking about getting one for deer/antelope and longish range target shooting. An episode would be cool
I had to come back just to comment.. I've always wanted to own a 300 RUM, well that has since changed. I recently did load development for my boss/brother in-law for his Remington 700 woodstocked, no muzzle break, and hardly much of a recoil pad.. From the first to the last shot, 30 rounds total. It was not really enjoyable 🤣I had to man tf up and try my hardest to not flinch. A hefty dose of Hodgdon US869 sitting under HBN Coated Nosler 180gr E-Tips coming out of the 26" barrel at 3,280fps! The load ought to kill an elk out to 900yd! I'm glad I found a one hole .6" load and that I won't have to do that again! haha the 40rd should last him a few hunting seasons. Also 300 RUM demands insane amounts of money for factory loads, especially right now.
I’ve owned a 300 RUM since 1999. Long range work it’s very difficult to beat. To beat it your basically getting into 338 Lupa. Or 338 RUM and more punishment by far to the shooter.
What do you guys recommend as the remedy for little black flakes showing up on the objective lense that do not come off with a lense cloth? I have 2 crossfire 2 scopes, and on one of them, i have these little black specs on the lense that do not seem to come off. I've never had this happen with a vortex scope before.
Non belted magnum 300 rum is here to play
When is there going to be a 10 minute talk on the Nosler Partition or even a interview with Nosler like Hornady had just a short time ago
I’d like a comparison between the Nosler Partition and the Swift A-Frame bullets.
@@dr.froghopper6711 yes I was thinking about that comparison last week as well
Hell, if we’re lining up bullet manufacturers let’s get Barnes on to talk about TSX
What a beautiful way to wake up this morning...30 mins of Ryan talking about the sweet RUM and ripping on Mark.
A great way to start the day right?!
Mark, make sure you take water from the pond to water the tree. It has more nitrogen in it, and less chlorine than tapwater.
Would like to hear a talk on .405 Win.
Awesome
That load on the 300 Rum with the 220 gr eld-x got almost the same energy at 400 YD compare to a 30-06 with a 150 gr at the muzzle !
Can you guys do a comparison of the 7mm rum and the 28 nosler
I think you guys should do a hunting story in every episode….if you have a good one. The moose story at 735 was a good one. Or do a longer episode where you all show your favorite hunting story.
Would like to see comparison of 300 rum vs winmag vs norma vs 30x378 wethmg on 230 Berger and 250 gr for 30 inch or optimal bbls.
I bought a Remington Sendero .300 RUM at a local sporting goods store going out of business for $500. I was planning on going out west Elk hunting. I am 6'2 and 220 pounds and athletic. I loaded 180 Nosler Partition and shot a deer at 100 yards in the heart and it blew out a section the size of a bowling ball, too much for deer IMO. I was shooting close to 100 grains of RL 25, this thing kiched like a mule from a 12 pound rifle. I could never get a tag to hunt out west so I traded it for a S&W MP10 (.308) and I am very happy. don't miss the .300 RUM ever. I do like my 7MM Rem Mag.
Folks, I was disappointed by your review of the 300 RUM. All I gleamed from it is it is not efficient, heavy recoil, and is comparable to a 300 Weatherby Mag. I had hoped you would discuss its capability to push a heavier bullet with higher BC faster with less impact from wind and gravity. Unfortunately, extra time spent joking around about wasting paper. I am not a tree hugger and give a flip how many sheets of paper Mark (?) uses.
Mark keep printing! My paycheck that is earned by working at papermill has helped buy no less than 3 red dots, 3 scopes, spoting scope and 2 pairs of binoculars from vortex
Thanks for doing this On the 300 rum That caliber does not get much attention
What about 8.6 blackout 1-3 twist ? I seen a bunch of videos and ballistic tests
It’s not about being wasteful, it’s about being a muscle car of a 30 cal.
Ive hunted alot recently with 28 nos and i dont find it kicks much at all im use to it but i fired a 300 rum without a brake and it didnt make me flinch but im use to shooting my 30-378weatherby but i must say im prefering the 300 rum i like ryan had a issue with chambering a belted magnum twice and it soured my taste on the weatherby belts
Love my 28 nos
Aw yeah new. Ideo!
A buddy built a 300 rum, 30 in bartlein. Using 230gr bergers at 2950 it was like cheating. It hit steel so incredibly hard at 665 yards (our longest range available).
The demensions are similar to 404 but the rum case is .005 larger at the base, implying that the case is of its own design. Attempting to fire form would likely split the case.
My brother in law shoots one in a very light ram 700 . With the brake it’s got no more kick than a 270 kinda thing
Hi Guys, informative chats, maybe keep a box for comparison of all-round featured in your videos
Would like to hear a talk on the7mm Rem Mag
Another awesome episode. And, again, Mark gets roasted. But we need Mark. Otherwise, we would have too many trees. I have been reading a book entitled "Hunter's Guide to Long Range Shooting." The author goes through the history of rifles and also includes the development of the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum. Each round has a use. .300 RUM is not the most efficient of rounds. But it sends a lot of energy at impact at a long distance. And it recoils a lot on the shooter to get it there. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. If you want the largest affordable production round, this would be it. But you can do just as well with the .300 Win Mag. Or even the .300 WSM, which is doing quite well at 1,000 yards or less. Check out Rogee Productions. These guys in New Zealand are shooting a Savage 110 Ultralite .300 WSM from hillside to hillside, hunting on public land. And plenty of people have even hunted long range with .30-06. Others like the 7 Rem Mag.