Digital Peloton News: UCI to Introduce Smart Trainer Testing / Kickr CORE ONE / Zwift Updates / More
Digital Peloton News for February 14th 2024 covering a quick overview of what's new in cycling tech this week that has come across my desk.
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Links:
UCI Smart Trainer Certification (CyclingNews): bit.ly/49f4Tgb
Apparatus and methodology for smart trainer homologation analysis: bit.ly/3SGEqko
Kickr CORE Zwift ONE Review: • Virtual Shifting Arriv...
Virtual Shifting Upgrade Options for Kickr Owners: • Virtual Shifting Upgra...
Hammerhead Karoo 2 update v1.445.1760: bit.ly/3uuUopT
ZwiftInsider Avatar Customisation in Zwift 1.58: bit.ly/49tNBfv
ZwiftAlizer KZhead Channel: bit.ly/3uIjz8i
Video Index:
0:00 Intro
1:08 Smart Trainer Homologation Analysis Paper
2:20 UCI UCI Smart Trainer Certification Process
3:48 Kickr CORE Zwift ONE
4:41 New Zwift Avatar Selection Options
5:58 Recent Karoo and EDGE Updates
6:53 ZwiftAlizer KZhead Videos
8:22 Wrap Up
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Enjoy your interesting commentary on my Cycling News trainer homologation piece, Shane. It has transformative potential for cycling esports. Curious to see the impact on the recreational market. Thank you for sharing!
I’m curious how you inferred the make and model of the trainers tested. The full text reads, “The smart trainers are denoted with letters to obscure the brand and model tested.” Please share your thoughts, Sir.
They published the accuracy, max gradient, maximum power specifications, and prices. Price aside, it was pretty easy to fingerprint the other specifications to make/model with a relatively high level of confidence.
Thanks, Lama!
👍 Great round-up, Shane!
Great to hear the Kickr Core Zwift One will be available in Australia. Also, great t-shirt.
The best valentines day present. Thanks Shane. 😍
Better than Mrs Lama being away on a work trip and having little lama spew all down the hallway after school. 🤣
@@gplamaDo the Aussie thing: get tanked and spew up with him. BOYS NIIIIIGHT!!
Yay, KCZ1 is coming to Oz 👏👏. Hope that means the remote controllers are coming to
Good news!
Best T-shirt ever!
It's from the Tour Down Under and from a competition they were holding to tick off all the local climbs during the week over there. Mrs Lama and I both did all the climbs and got the tshirt. We loved it so much we got Little Lama one too. We'll have to post a family tshirt shot somewhere soon.
Absolutely fantastic! All the best to you guys! I mean: Lamas!
Honest opinion sought from you Shane, planning a week and half trip from Sydney to either Ballarat, Beechworth or Bright? Gravel and MTB will be packed into car! obsessed with the b’s. yes I’ve ridden all these places before, loved them all equally, but they are all different. My usual day is a cruisey 4-7 hour ride so depending on terrain that’s 50-120km. Followed by some relaxing time; movie,walk, food etc.
Bright in No.1 riding spot for sure. I haven't ridden Beechworth much at all, nothing offroad there. Ballarat would be up there if you haven't been here before and want to take in some Australian historical places (Eureka Stockade, Sovereign Hill, etc). Lots of good riding, food, and hospitality around here too. Hit me up if you do end up anywhere near Ballarat.
I like this content
Thanks. I'll try keep them under 10 minutes and informative enough to keep people watching.... I hope! :)
Hmm, i own one of those uci tested trainers.. now what to do?
Lol, I was part of the Zwift Advisory panel and was not a fan of that super long name. I had to confirm it as the best descriptive name though :D
I think everyone will shorten it to the CORE ONE.
I hope from you to make a review about tacx bushido smart trainer.. it's an old device but I think it's worth it
Please let Garmin/Tacx know you'd like to see me review this trainer.
@@gplama l hope they will do soon👍 but don't worry my friend you have been since a while one of the most honest reviewers - at least from my own view - on KZhead keep this legs moving old horse 🐎 we stand with you 👍
for the body type they're missing 2 more types. dadbod and fat guy/girl. ALso wheres the receeding hair line model? lol
Good shout
I want the dadbod!
Hi Lama. Looks like Zwift has removed Australia from their website supported countries. I clicked a link in an email from them and saw that all the ride distances were in miles. I tried to switch countries to Oz, but it wasn’t listed. I am sure it was previously.
Interesting AU/NZ isn't in the Asia Pac section. No idea sorry.
Hi Shane, random ass question with no reference to this vid: Are you planning to review the SRM X-Power road pedals? Would be super interesting for me and I can't find any reviews at all. Thanks. :)
If I can get a hold of them, yes. To be honest I’m not actively seeking a set. The price and battery spec really isn’t competitive to the alternatives on the market.
Would you still buy the zwift hub with the 20% discount now knowing it got discontinued?
Entirely your call. The trainer will continue to be compatible with Zwift and other platforms for a VERY long time, well beyond the two year warranty period.
Has Zwift released something special that they mentioned they are doing for those that hit level 100? Feels like we should've had a couple that reached that milestone already.
Slightly off topic, but have you ever reviewed the accuracy of trainers under varying unit temperature conditions. I'm told by Wahoo that although temperature is used in calibration, none of the trainers have "active" temperature compensation. I raise this because I've found that my Kickr Core shows significant variation from my Assioma pedals on rides longer than about 30 minutes. Zone 2 rides are fine, but if I'm in the type of ride that pushes the watts and the Core gets hotter, the power variation can reach as much as 6%. Just me, or is this a common problem? Are their units that can overcome this and stay accurate regardless of the unit heating up?
Testing equipment through a range of temperatures is pretty time consuming. I'll do it when I see things drift over time during my standard testing protocol. With the introduction of auto-calibration on the CORE, temperature drift should be minimised. Assuming you're coasting for a few seconds (or enough time to trigger the auto-calibration).
@@gplamathanks and yep, I guess you spend enough time testing already! Sounds like a significant improvement from Wahoo. I'm assuming that would mean a replacement unit rather than a firmware upgrade to my 2018 Kick Core. TBH, I can accommodate the variation for training, but I was throwing out some unexpectedly high watts in a Zwift race last year. Luckily (!?) 6% is nowhere near enough to get me up with the leaders 😅
All Kickr CORE units support the new auto-calibration feature. Firmware 1.3.17 onwards is what you're after.
@@gplama Loading now. Brilliant, thank you.
Glad to report much better results after an initial test, though it took 4 to 5 mins for the Kickr and Assiomas to get fully in synch. After that they were within about 1.5 to 2% for the rest of the session. Cant complain at that!
Kickrs read higher than Neos. Which is right? We will see
I don’t see any data that supports that claim.
@@gplama I looked at top ranked riders on Zwift and their dual recordings. Checked those that used Assioma. I could post it
@@gplama 10 Kickrs, 10 Neos vs. Assioma Duo. Number of higher readings on trainer vs. Assioma for 5 sec, 1 min, 10 min (Kickr/Neo): 4/1, 3/5, 4/3. Higher sprint readings with Kickr.
5 second mean max is highly influenced by the recording device. That's not enough data to make a general claim that Kickrs read higher than Neos. There's also multiple models of Kickrs (and Neos) that have to be defined too. I'd like to see a lot more data before supporting any such claim.
So Wahoo has trapped us to obtain over $1000 trainer to be able to have 10hz Race Mode?
I haven't touch my bike or avatar in years - I don't get why people worry so much about those stuff lol
The UCI can just supply a device and/or protocol to perform a certification. That wouldn't cost the manufacturers that much. It would mean trusting the manufacturers. Market pressure would provide incentive for honesty.
Shane I love this content as with all your content. Is it just me or does it seem like so much crap now days we’ve overdone this e sports thing. My smart trainer revolutionized my fitness and training. The word TRAINER in smart trainers is ignored. I guess I’m too simple but why would UCI even get involved. I guess there’s money in the E racing which is absurd. I’m not gonna get too serious about mine or anyone else’s results in a Zwift race except for how it pertains to my TRAINING. If someone is cheating I couldn’t care less, it’s meaningless. Ride On let’s not get our undies in a tussle about e sports. It’s just a trainer all be it smart.
Wonder why some of your videos have so many thumbs down? This is such a likeable channel
No. I don’t. My content hovers around 98.5-99.8% thumbs up. I think you’re are setting up for some kind of advisement for whatever it is you’re about to offer. I’m not new around here. This is a very spam-like comment mate..... And with the amount of chat bot hacks going around.....
No, definitely not a spammer! This and a video from a couple of weeks ago (one of the Zwift predictions videos?) show as like 90% up. Maybe it's just the way that youtube smooths the numbers.@@gplama
@@roddyeskew3909 My apologies at jumping the gun there. Not sure where those stats are coming from. Peak Zwift video is showing 99.1 and 99.5 for the two videos released with the predictions.
Why do the UCI need to do any tests. GPLama has done all the work. Maybe they should just pay him.
hahah! I like your thinking... and thanks for the support! The UCI have access to a LOT more resources than I do here in country Australia.
Where's the beer drinking, donut eating rider body trying to lose 40kg?
Esports has a long way to go before its equal. That being said it could become a major part of every sport. Id like to see convicts compete. From jail.
I was genuinely interested in e-sports when it was launched, but hasn't it died now ? maybe its just me that has lost interest, but I have not noticed any e-sports cycling events, I have not had any marketing or event news blasted my way, I wasn't even aware it was still happening
Having been heavily involved at all levels early on back in 2016-2017 (including racing in Vegas!), I've a lot to say on this. One day...
While I haven't looked at it yet it sounds like they have tried to put some engineering behind things. I certainly hope they focused on engineering side unlike 99% of the powermeter accuracy papers: "Hi I nothing of engineering, X is the rightest powermeter as it's the most expensive and reputation, so everyone's error is measured as how wrong from that powermeter they are. Conclusion, since I used X as the reference, it is the mostest rightest ever! and thus all others are wrong by comparison by Y Percent" Published by 3 Human Kinetics PHds. This is sports tech validation. Glorified self published white papers. SMH
Of all the things I'd want to see added to Zwift, choosing my own avatar isn't one of them.