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The Steelcase Leap and Amia are two of my picks for S TIER comfort. While they have some similarities, they are quick a bit different. Which is best for your 12+ hour sitting session?
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Chairs in Video:
Steelcase Leap v2 - bit.ly/3PS3KB9 (Steelcase) bit.ly/302lAbT (BTOD Refurb)
Steelcase Amia - bit.ly/3Jq9joh (Steelcase) bit.ly/2Vg7xyD (BTOD Refurb)
Products Used in Desk Setup:
Furniture
Envy Standing Desk - www.btod.com/btod-envy/
Desk Shelf - www.btod.com/btod-desk-shelf
Ultimate Cable Management Box - www.btod.com/ra-xwmb
Ergotron LX Monitor Arm - amzn.to/3EYna3l (Amazon)
Tech
Beelink Mini PC - amzn.to/3H7Sgbt (Amazon)
Sanyun Speakers - amzn.to/3FoaCnh (Amazon)
Logitech MX Keys Keyboard - amzn.to/3B8bb1U (Amazon)
Logitech MX Master 3S - amzn.to/3HoBvJp (Amazon)
Shure MV7 Limited Edition Mic - amzn.to/3XQQdOR (Amazon)
BenQ ScreenBar Monitor Light - amzn.to/3gUtOQ6 (Amazon)
Accessories
Kanto Headphone Stand - amzn.to/3iy3XOz (Amazon)
Kanto Speaker Stands - amzn.to/3EVxlFX (Amazon)
Samson Mic Boom Arm - amzn.to/3Uoni1D (Amazon)
Gallaway Leather Desk Mat - amzn.to/3Fol4eD (Amazon)
Other
Fake Snake Plant Floorstand - amzn.to/3B2rvkQ (Amazon)
Britful Fake 16" Snake Plant - amzn.to/3EXnFuE (Amazon)
6.5" Artificial Grass Plant - amzn.to/3B5wIsg (Amazon)
Geometric Design Woven Rug - bit.ly/3VrFj0l (Target)
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You guys should review the embody with the atlas headrest. It really elevates the comfort of the chair!
I ordered one of the used Leap chairs from your website and it arrived today! For a 6-7 year old chair, I am super impressed with how it’s held up! There is some light wear with some looseness in the fabric, but it seems cosmetic only so far. The chair is really well built and does not feel cheap like my other $200-300 chairs. I haven’t had a chance yet to sit for any length of time, but feels good so far! I didn’t know about BTOD until these videos started appearing in my feed. I watch a lot of their videos and they seemed to know what they were talking about, especially compared to other reviews and some of those ranked lists. I’m impressed by this chair and I’m looking forward to working from home! Edit: to clarify, I ordered one of the used chairs that was in very good condition and not refurbished. This chair definitely appears to not have needed to be refurbished. Appears in very good condition from unpacking and sitting in it briefly today.
Just got the Leap V2 from you guys. I like it alot. I keep messing with the adjustments, and I know it takes a big to get used to. I am not used to 2 different adjustments, 1 for recline tension and another for lumbar force or firmness. It felt grteat on my back, I tried taking the lumbar in and out a few times, and I keep putting it back in. I am in medicine, working remote now, and when I increase the tension all the way on the recline, it feels good and then I am like what do I do with the lumbar, and I am just getting used to it. But it is def a great chair. Researching adjustments and all but I think I just have to get used to it? I like the full support when you recline, even though it doesn't have the rocking I think for work hours it will improve my posture but I have the Colomy Atlas I was going to return, but I might keep that since it has a decent rock. But The leap from you guys is great, just getting used to it and hope the back tension and lumbar force/firmness I can find a good amount
I had so much pain and even headaches sitting in my Aeron for the last decade. Leap V2 has been a game changer for me. Got one with extra thick back/seat padding.
My back pain was so intense that I went to the doctor. (I hardly ever see the doctor) I bent over to pick up my dog and almost couldn't get back up. I ended up buying a leap (and a new desk) and within a month or so I stopped having back pain. It was insane.
Can you please make a video for best chairs for those that are 6'4 and above? Would love your guys opinions on the best chairs for tall folks who carry most of their height in their legs versus their torso.
Lately, I've been doing a lot of research on office chairs because I'm looking to get a good one that is better for my back. Part of the research has been watching a lot of videos from this channel. However, I'm struggling to know what to get because there are a lot of options and good chairs tend to be several hundred to 1,500 dollars and that's a lot of money to spend on a chair that I may not end up liking after sitting in it for a while. I don't want to spend that much unless I can be sure I'll like the chair, but without some kind of trial, I'm not sure how I can do that. Maybe any expensive chair will be better than my $90 Costco office chair, so it will probably be an improvement no matter what, but I want to make sure I make a good choice for me. I'm only 5'5" and weigh somewhere below 150 lbs. I believe Herman Miller has a two week trial period for their chairs, but if I can find something a bit cheaper, I'd like that.
Just got an Amia used but in great condition for $90, such an awesome chair. Only reason it was even on my radar is because of BTOD so thank you ❤
From where?
I bought that chair second hand as well for the same reasons, and use it for a month now (resold my leap V1 high back that I used for a long time soon after) And I have been using the leap V2 at the office. I am now so sorry I sold my leap too soon, I absolutely hate everything about the Amia after a month of 8 to 12 hours a day on it. It really seemed softer in the beginning, but apparently just isn't my seat type, cause beside the numbness (and I am really used to thin seat pads) after some time, I'm starting to get back pains again. The back isn't really adjustable and in that way no where near as good, flexible, adjustable, comfortable or supporting as the V1 high back or V2 in my opinion. To me it just has a really pokey lumbar device that sags after some hours of use. I am not the standard user probably since I also prefer just about anything on the leap V1 over the V2, but I'm really in doubt what my next chair must be now (leap V1 are scarce here in NL and they have all had a whole life already) but the Amia will have to go for sure
@@guitar_george found on offerup in my area. There were a couple at that similar price so might be that way for your area too
V1 high back is way better than v2
We have several Leap and Embody at work where I spend 8 hrs sitting daily with a few breaks here and there . I ended up buying the Embody gaming for myself at home since there is no comparison. I can only sit for 1hr on the leap before it starts to bottom out. In the Embody at home I sit for several hrs with no discomfort whatsoever. I also own a Mirra 2 which I hate. Before buying the Embody I did a 30 day trail of the Haworth Fern which is 90% as good as the Embody, but the seat is the only downside because it gets hot and after 1hr+ it starts to feel hard.
That's exactly how I felt when I had a Leap V2. After about 30-45 minutes, my butt was falling asleep. And no amount of adjustments helped. I wasn't a fan of the back either. Even though I'm 6'2, I didn't feel like my upper back was supported at all. I'm down to the Embody and Gesture now. I'm leaning more towards the Embody since 95% of my time spent in the chair is gaming on my PC. Since I'm a controller user, I recline more than I sit upright, and that's really where the Embody excels. The only thing that's really holding me back is the armrests. The Leap's were phenomenal, and the Gesture's are even better than that!
@csi2448 Leap v2 is well known for being a butt number. My solution was to sit criss cross one leg at a time every hours or so. And alternate which leg goes up
Is there a difference with comfort between the two materials, leather and fabric?
Hi I recently made the lamia chair and the seat depth function is now stuck in place. The lever doesn't work at all. Was this the same for you?
I really wish the Leap chairs had a better headrest option. I like having a headrest on my chairs because I like to lean back when I'm watching KZhead videos, and the Leap headrest doesn't look comfortable at all, lol. If they could put the Gesture headrest on the Leap V2, it would be probably close to perfect. I still have yet to find a Steelcase dealer near me, but I really want to try these chairs out.
Gesture headrest and Gesture arms on a Leap would be amazing.
@@venom5809 Gesture headrest and arms on any other chair would be amazing, lol. They're like the pinnacle as far as adjustability and customized fit are concerned, IMO. I want a Gesture so bad, but can't afford it lol.
Hey guys. Thank you for your videos, they are really helpful. Right now I'm picking a chair between Aeron and Leap. But I also gotta say I tried Steelcase Please v1 and v2 today and I would say v1 has kind of unique and cool back support. So suprisingly I didn't find a video about it on the chanel. Why is it so?
Thank you! The please isn't available in the US market, so we do not have access to it -Greg
@@btodtv thank you for the answer
Wasn't a fan of the Amia. Found the backrest wasn't comfortable at all. Seat also seemed really flat. Trying out the Karman, since I've always liked Mesh for back and butt comfort. Hoping it's a home run, otherwise a brand new leap is next.
You dont ship to UK right?
So what chair would you recommend if you are 6’6”. We have leaps all over our office and I find the back rest curves at the top which pushes my shoulders forward and in, which feels the opposite of good posture/keeping your chest open.
I have the same problem
What is your weight? -Greg
@@btodtvI’m 220lbs thx
So I'm 6'6" with shoulder pain from improper chairs and desks at previous companies. What chairs do you recommend for me?
Go for something cheap, I bought Haworth Fern for like $2500 and it got me MASSIVE leg and back pain, no idea why. Seems like it just isnt for me. sitting now on ikea's GRUPPSPEL chair and however it could be better it doesnt hurt at least.
I swapped from Amazon chair to amia, huge upgrade you can instantly tell the difference in quality. Most comfortable chair I’ve sat in.
Your Steelcase Amia refurb was a bust. After a year, the seat cushion now cuts my leg circulation. Doesn't matter how I set it up. It's unfortunate to pay $500-$1000 for a chairs where the cushion gives out so easily making the chair unusable. I weigh 250lbs. Kinda surprising that a Wal-Mart chair I bought for $90 lasted me 8 years before I started having problems with it. All these mesh+foam seats are a disaster.
"250lbs"🤣 You Americans should stop living inside McDonalds.
I purchased a refurb Amia from your website, not shipped yet, and now there's a 10% discount, can I have that applied since chair has not shipped yet.
Yes, please reach out to our customer service team and they will get your hooked up. Thank you for the support. service at btod dot com -Greg
Which one do you suggest for short and heavy people. I’m 5’6’’ and 300lbs thanks
Just got an Amia, I’m 5’8” and 290ish and it’s working out great for me. I got it because I found multiple people on Reddit around our size raving about it and because it is really reasonable price wise compared to other chairs in its comfort range.
I suggest going to the gym
good vid
Nice comparation, could be nice if you compare the amia and the amia air 3D
S tier is leap v2 and a purple seat cushion (for me). The super plush one. added a headrest.
Leap will hurt your butt from being so hard. But as long as you recline, hour back will be mostly not in pain and might just need some minor back roller massage
Do you deliver to europe or only us?
Only the USA for now -Greg
@@btodtv I have been interested in the eurotech vera but there is no EU store. As you are in the industry do you know if I am missing anything in EU?
Great question. I can reach out to Eurotech to see -Greg
They need headrests.
I'm sure very few will believe me, especially on a channel of this nature.... But lower back pain (and chronic pain in general) is psychosomatic 95% of the time. I won't go off and write a giant essay here, but reading some books by "John E. Sarno" might help you INFINITELY more than an expensive chair. The people who have no understanding of this will feel attacked and think I'm a complete nutjob for suggesting it, but the people that have gone through intense bouts of chronic pain and recovered from it will know what I am talking about and they will never ever unsee it for the rest of their life. I have spent a significant portion of my life studying these topics in extreme depth. I don't think sitting all day is good for you either way, but the root cause of chronic pain is not what people think it is. Lower back pain is the #1 chronic pain btw.
I think you are right that very few people are going to believe that their chronic back pain is just in their head. Wild take imo. -Ryan
@@btodtv The pain is real its just not because of structure abnormalities, or problems with your back.. in the vaaast majority of cases. Anyways, I appreciate the respectful response even if you don't agree with me, and I understand how outlandish my statements may seem compared to the common consensus. I definitely still think ergonomics is very important at the same time, and having a good chair is incredibly important. I like your channel a lot, keep up the good work. 😎
C tier for me
Amia was so disapponting... You sit on it and the cylinder makes two noticeable drops. The lumbar adjustment kept falling down. It would never stay in place. And the seat had a weird wobble only on wide side. Maybe steelcase sent a dud?
The office chair comfort ranked guide just hangs up when I enter in my information. What do.
It's fixed! It's great!
Morning!
Lmao morning!
Good morning! -Greg
Good night!
People sleeping on lifeform executive office chairs. Leap and amia doesnt even come close to the quality of life form.
They should make replaceable or swappable seats so we can get more dense seats for people who are heavier. I can literaly feel the screws under the pad on these.
Crandall Office Furniture sells the Amias with a thicker seat cushion (i think +1/2 inch) they have a video about it on their channel. I think the base price is $519
This is the exact type of seat I wouldn't recommend. Thicker doesn't mean it provides better support and they have a hard edge that cuts circulation at the back of your leg. Chairs should have a waterfall front, per the leading ergonomists in the world. You can feel that pressure in the back of your leg and it is uncomfortable IMO -Greg
Different densities is definitely a step in the right direction for some, but in most cases I would just suggest looking at a different high performance ergonomic chair -Greg
I bought refurb Leap V2 (6 ft 2 and 325 lbs). After about 16 months the gas cylinder began failing. I ended up going on Amazon and buying a brand new Leap V2 Plus (Amazon even offered no interest financing over 6 months so I used that even though I hadn’t initially planned to do that). I got the cylinder fixed with an OEM replacement cylinder and it is a spare office chair now because once I sat in the leap V2 Plus it was so much more comfortable. The seat didn’t feel bottomed out, it more than supported me when I sat in it, which I then realized I wasn’t supported nearly as well in the Leap V2 as I had thought. I have plenty of space on my sides and can move positions more comfortably. It was the best purchase I made during Covid.
The Leap is better than the Amia in every single way. If any Steelcase people are watching, make a Leap with Gesture arms and you will have the top selling chair on the market.
I agree, that would be something really interesting! A Leap with truly movable armrests would be awesome, I don't really like these "4D" things on my Think and Amia (and leap V2 at the office), it's great they move backward and inward, but they don't move outward. That is something I do miss at home where my desk height isn't perfect
I’d argue the Amia’s seat is better than the Leap’s. Everything else yeah.
@@justintran5963 here 'better' is subjective though; I'm sitting on one as I'm typing this and I prefer the leap V1 seat (that I used for years at home) and V2 seat (that I've used for years at the office) over this Amia (that I'm using for a little over a month) so much so that I'm absolutely reselling this one :)
@@stefandothill I have a V1 Leap and my neighbor across the street has an Amia and I sit in it all the time and don't like it. I don't like the Gesture either, just the arms. The Leap is that magic chair they have that has good arms but needs killer arms like the Gesture. They really should be an upgrade option on the Leaps.
@@venom5809 I completely agree
I do not understand you. You recently made a video with armchairs for 2024 - the steelcase was the "A TIER" chair and today it is the S tier? You change something every now and then and I don't know what chair I should buy
Sorry for any confusion. I intro'd the video saying both of these chairs have the qualities to hit the coveted S Tier, but the Leap shape of the seat doesn't fit me quite as well so that is A tier for me, with the rest of the chair S. Amia is S tier all day IMO, but that is just me of course :) -Greg
@@btodtv Do you think ergohuman gen 2 is much worse than amia or leap?
A commentator rightfully pointed that you guys only say this because you sell these chairs in abundance. A case in point will be the relatively poor ratings you give to the Herman Miller Aeron chairs. Leap, Gesture and Aeron are the flagship chairs when one thinks of office chairs. And they're all roughly at par. A Gesture chair isn't going to radically different in comfort than Leap. Aeron is one of a kind with its mesh design which feels like one is suspended in air. Anyway, coming to the point. In your 2024 Tier Listing, which covers about 60 chairs, you gave the Aeron Classic is D tier. Because one dude gave it a C, and the other gave it an F. And what was the reasoning? "Aeron Classic is sooo old, it's 30 years old chair guyssss", "Oh don't buy the Classic it's a ticking timebomb", "Oh that chair sucks because you don't get the Herman Miller warranty". I mean come on dude, get real. You sell and shill Leap and Amia because they're abundant. Gesture, Aerons are not.
If you look up the best office chair on google, or any chiro/reputable site, Leap and Gesture are usually within the top 1-5. The other's you mentioned I agree probably not as bad as they said. But That doesn't mean the Steelcase chairs are not as good or better. I just got a Leap V2, was in between Crandall and them. I am a MD so I like the medicine behind it, and Crandall's stuff was too thick for ergonomics with no waterfall .
Why are you making this comment if you haven’t used the chairs? You read one comment from someone that doesn’t know what they are talking about and formulated this entire opinion from that. We ranked the Leap as our favorite chair long before we ever sold it. And how can you say that the Leap and Amia are more abundant than the Aeron? The Aeron is the most widely available used chair on the market. Leaps and Amias are not nearly as abundant as the Aeron. We choose not to sell the Aeron because we think it is terrible. -Ryan
@josephperlman6599 I remove the lumbar and then turn the knob to the lowest setting. -Ryan
I meant the seat back tension, but its all good. It's just a chair, I have to stay busy. It's pretty amazing. @@btodtv
as long as you guys discount and partnership have means steelcase S tier
Not true...We didn't sell or have an affiliate partnership with Steelcase for two years while we promoted their brand. The fact is they have good options and others that aren't great. It's easy to ignore our body of work and make a short sighted comment like this, but it isn't the truth -Greg
You guys only say this because you sell these chairs in abundance. The reality is that neither of these chairs are S tier for the majority of people
Or are these the chairs we choose to sell because we think they are S-Tier? 😁 - RG
+1, these guys don't sell the Aeron Classic/Remastered so they're not S tier. In a previous listing, these dudes gave the Aeron Classic a C tier because it's old 😂
Oops, it's worse than I thought. These shills gave the Aeron Classic a D, because one dude gave it a C and the other an F. Reasoning? It's a 30 year old chair and you don't get the Herman Miller warranty. And some fearmongering that it's "a ticking timebomb" because of its age. Source: 3:45 minute mark at the 2024 BTOD tier list video which covers 60 chairs. Pathetic dudebros who've excelled in the niche of marketing their high profit margin chairs to unsuspecting nerds👌
We did sell Aeron classic, and we stopped because it isn't a great chair. Like Robert said, we sell these two because we believe they are a good fit for a large percentage of people. We ranked the Leap v2 as our #1 chair for years prior to selling them -Greg
Speaking from my experience: the Aeron is a great chair ONLY IF it fits you. I believe that there are a lot of people (like me) that don’t fit perfectly on any aeron size, which is a big problem if you are going to sell chairs online. In my case the backrest of the B is too small but the seat on the C is too big and it hurts my legs. So in summary, I completely get why they stoped selling the aeron and don’t put the chair on S-Tier. I’ll be returning mine and see if the Leap works for me. Let’s see if it’s really an S-Tier chair :)