The 2022 Lexus IS500 Is a V8 Old-School Sport Sedan
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2022 Lexus IS500 review! The Lexus IS 500 is a V8-powered sport sedan -- and maybe the last one in existence. Today I'm reviewing the IS500 and I'll show you all the quirks and features of the new IS500, and I'll show you what it's like in this V8 sedan. I'm also driving the IS500 and I'll show you what it's like to drive the new Lexus IS500.
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Ok V8? Naturally Aspirated? I'm listening......
Will it pass the test environment emissions test?
Yo its flossy Carter!
Yes king lol
Spare the maintenance money on the beamer and get this😛
It smells like Doctor Manhattan.
People always complain that there’s no old school muscle cars and when they actually make one, no one buys it and it fails. Just like the Chevy SS
The vocal minority never talk with their wallets.
The Chevy SS was complete garbage , this isn’t.
@@Tool0GT92 Hence the expression *"Talk is cheap"*
@@landonw8982 it’s outdated tho. Most people who buy 60k cars don’t care about reliability, they just want a cool car. This is cool, but not as cool as anything else at this price point.
The engine is cool and all but everything else about is horrible compared to the competitors. I’d rather be sitting in a new Mazda than a new Lexus.
People mistake this for a track/drag car. This is a dream daily driver while having fun with a Naturally Aspirated V8 while enjoying the smooth and comfortable ride, and at the same time, it’s reliable with no issues and it’ll give you peace of mind and save you headaches
This. All of this. 🥰
So many people don’t understand what this car is trying to be that it’s refreshing when someone like yourself actually gets it.
woke lefty california only buys german, and spends an afternoon at service repair shop every month :D
The fact this car has real buttons vs touch screens makes it more luxurious and functional to my eyes. Perfect balance of tech and usable function. Touch pad is not my type tho but I can get over that.
Idk, I kinda hate that touch pad being there. It takes up a lot of real estate for something I'm not going to use.
It DOES have a touch screen, check other reviews
@@parassj1308 only in places where its fine to have. But actual knobs and buttons to where they should be are there
It's definitely practical to put in physical buttons as opposed to touch screen only.
Ford raptor: nah I ain’t going to do a v8 A Lexus: I have a v8
crazy right
a v8 in a small sedan
The upcoming Raptor R will have a V8, though.
German cars: also have V8.. and V12.
Oddly enough right?
I like that the shift lever is an actual lever, not buttons or a dial and that the gauge cluster isn’t just a screen.
As far as I'm concerned, Toyota keeps using the shift lever that way because it's more reliable in the long term compared to the other shifters...
Same
agreed. I like them just the way they are. they can do away with the track pad and the cd player and place a screen over there that does the climate control, improve the one on the top and we're ready to go!
As a is350 f-sport owner, the gauge cluster is a screen.
I wonder if the future will see a return of more tactile controls. A lot of what I see coming out now seems flashy and cool, but in the end is neither as reliable nor as easy to use as tactile controls like shift levers, climate control knobs etc. When I'm driving and want to turn my fan speed up, I can do it without looking away from the road or taking my hand off the shifter, because it's a big knob right near my hand when it's on the shifter. I can just feel where it is. You can't say the same about almost any modern climate control, including the one in this car, because there's so little tactile feedback. You can't tell if you have your hand in the right place, and when you're driving, all of this is a real safety concern. People staring at a touch screen for 30secs to find the volume or looking down at a centre console to locate a climate slider thingy is a little concerning. So eventually, I think manufacturers will realise this and bring a lot of old school controls back. I notice Doug reviewed a couple of new cars that have moved the climate controls out of the touchscreen and back onto the centre console, and I think this trend will continue.
I've always had a soft spot for a luxury car that has a v8 in it and doesn't go super track focused - it's just nice to have that v8 powerband at your disposal while also enjoying a comfortable ride
I agree!
@@Kev27RS Agreed - I own an IS F
Did he forget this one is touch screen?
Here before it blows up
Nope.
@@theunknownguy265 It didn't. You look silly now.
@@Locutus yeah lol
Should be a top based comment.
That slot in the sun visor is a great place to store speeding tickets.
Where I keep my gas receipts because god knows these bitches drink…or maybe I just lean on the gas a bit too much
@Riweuh wtf?
@@_Ambition124 the spam bot felt inclined to comment when it heard about bishes
Most Lexus owners are like 60 years old, they aint speeding bro trust me
@@gto4609lol...most old people doesn't buy this types of car
THISSS is a car that I actually disagree with Doug on, I personally like the old school factor without all the gimmicks, I don't care about a fancy shifter or some overly complex turbo 6 cyl engine that will be unreliable in 5-7 years, this car is what a lot of people wanted and it will hold its value better then you think, It will go down as the last V8 Lexus and that is something special.
Yess
bang on. but they're going to be cheaper for some years so the best time to buy them is now. and I sure want one as well. I love its design anyway and toyota v8 makes it even more worth the purchase.
He called it a small sedan. Small by American standards maybe cos it’s big.
Doug has always been against Lexus no matter how good it is. Probably jealous that these never break down unlike his land rover
@@robertross4699 it’s huge. Look at it. All modern cars are big.
This car is why I drive 10+ year old cars and older. I miss the analog type feel of the driving experience. I don't want to drive a computer.
Real winner is the one who bought IS 15 years ago. It's basically the same engine and transmission (especially with AWD) since then. People buying now? Not so much.
nobody in my family understands why i just bought a 2013 evo x. i bought the car because it reminds me of when car manufacturers didn’t care about having the newest thing but wanted to put all of their money into the performance of the car.
@@b1uezea1ot at least the IS 500 is a new car and it doesn’t show it’s age yet
@@b1uezea1ot I got a 2023 IS500 and I sure as hell feel like a winner! I do see your point though.
Doug, you would think after reviewing the ISF, RCF, GSF, all these years & now the IS500 that you would finally realize leaving the transmission in normal auto mode like you did is Lexus's "comfort" mode & provides the slowest shifts. Manual + Sport button is what amps up the shift times to what all the car magazines were raving about back then. Come on, even as a AMG owner I know this from driving the ISF a few times back in the days
He somehow also left out that the infotainment is now a touchscreen. It's stuff like this that makes people think he isn't actually objective in his reviews.
@@turbofun998 Yeah. Even weirder is that he has already reviewed the is350 and he does mention the touch screen but not on this
He has an insane bias against Toyota/Lexus.
@@leftright8826 he has a weird bias of Japanese luxury brands for some reason. I think the genesis g70 should have gotten a higher-scored review. The q50 red sport review was way too harsh for a car that costs 20k or less used. german brands seem to get away with way more stuff on his channel, and overall I still love his videos but its just a weird thing I noticed.
@@haywire9174 I have a IS500 & noticed that too about other videos. Did you see his RCF review? He bashes that car lol
Idk why he didn’t mention it, but the screen is a touchscreen
Yup
Yeah that’s something that clearly should’ve been mentioned
I'd say given his recent review of the LX570, an SUV that uses the same infotainment system except that it actually does NOT have touch capability, that he perhaps assumed the same here. And I have to agree with his assessment of the system, it seems clunky and annoying for a car aimed at a high market.
not surprised. He misses all kinds of details like this all the time.
That, and called the interior old school but literally the majority of cars have that tacked on screen now (although the interior is kinda old)
All of Doug's "complaints" mainly about the "outdated" design were either non-issues or actually positives for me.
Yeah man
Exactly! All of his negatives are petty. It's like, "Doug if you don't like Lexus then say that."
@@richhat401 bruh 60k and you dont even have the basic things a honda civic has.
@@furkanh8196 The people buying this car don't want all those features
Yup
I'm thoroughly convinced that Doug is getting kickbacks from other automakers that he doesn't get from Lexus for whatever reason. Something weird is going on for him to be so rough on like literally every Lexus he reviews...
I think it's more that he just really likes having the newest tech and the newest features. It's pretty obvious that he prefers touchscreens and digital controls like in a Tesla over traditional physical buttons. He is often really harsh on analogue or old school type cars. He hates the 370z yet I think it's one of the best value sports cars you can buy.
I totally agree! He did the same with the LFA. Everyone was impressed, but he wasn't
@@Sinoops Yeah except when it's a Porsche GT car... then he loves it!
He just doesn’t appreciate the things that Lexus does exceptionally well. Audi, BMW, and Mercedes have options Lexus just doesn’t offer. Personally I love both of mine and probably wouldn’t buy anything else.
@@tommcdermott3233 Well Lexus certainly is not on the cutting edge of Luxury technology like BMW but I still like Lexus. I own an M5 so I know. I still love the RCF
Honestly think Doug dropped the ball on this car. I’ll just get my Lexus reviews elsewhere since he didn’t mention that the screen is touchscreen and all he had to do was touch the screen to find out. This car will last a long time even if it doesn’t sell hot now it will always be around compared to its competitors. Love ya Doug but you gotta give Lexus a fair shot and do research before you review it.
You have no idea what you’re talking about 😂 the completion has plenty of their older models running around out here, see them all time 🤷🏻♂️
Actually he did but I think he forgot to pin it in the comments
@@hirofujiwara7333 you’re right there’s a lot of them running with rebuilt engines
“I need the car to shift to park automatically for me when i open the door” please stop driving if you need such feature, it’s not that hard to shift into park yourself
@@hirofujiwara7333 "completion"
NA V8 is always reliable a recipe that never fails 🔥
Hi
yeah but the M340i which is cheaper is also faster, better tech and still sounds pretty good.
ESPECIALLY from Toyota, this thing will last.
@@kristians2704 long term this still makes sense.
Looks cautiously at Jaguar-Land Rover
Remember in "Mad Max" when they were talking about "the last of the V8 Interceptors"? That movie was ahead of its time. They knew V8s were going to mostly die out. Glad Lexus still has the balls to make this
Thank you, now i'm imagining Mad Max in a lexus
Guzzoline shortages man
I believe this is the last new Lexus with a V8. The next gen Land Cruiser / LX will likely have a twin-turbo V6 instead of a V8. So… this might hold its value quite well.
Hopefully people will buy it.
The Cadillac CT5-V has a 6.2L Supercharged V8 and more horsepower
Let us appreciate that Lexus manages to give the IS500 real exhaust tips!
Sucky 0-60 is a deal-breaker.
@@johntsingis the car is not about 0-60 speeds. If you want that you would look to the Germans. This car is about emotion.
@@ryanli5222 I think you have emotional damage.
@@johntsingis low 4s is sucky? Lol
@@xum0007 I don't want a Model Y beating me by a full second, bruh.
The IS's interior has aged well. Everything is properly positioned and very convenient to use. True, they could've ditched the touch-pad in favor of a wireless charging pad... but that's kind of a non issue for me. I've driven cars with wireless chargers and never really used them. I tend to keep a factory charge cable handy for Android Auto use anyways, and the phone obviously gets charged when/if it's plugged in. Plus... this new IS has a touch screen, which Doug failed to mention. Sidenote: As lovely as this V8 sounds, it's a shame he didn't really investigate this vehicle much. He should've known that the little dial on the left side with the driver's controls (360 camera, blind spot warning, etc) is actually a volume control for the piped in sound - so you can dial the artificial sound up or down/off.
Turns out the infotainment screen is touchscreen also. Much needed feature for a throwback design.
I'll never understand Doug's obsession with fully digital gauge clusters, I feel like they're tasteless, cheap and low effort. I'd take a physically moving gauge over any screen with a fancy gauge animation.
I would rather have good old analog physical gauges
@@CCK-jd8nc same I'm tired of these bland digital gauges even a lot of race cars still have analog gauges to be honest the only digital gauge I like it's the one in the Honda S2000 AP1 AP2 .
Full LCD clusters are cheaper than electromechanical clusters. That's why automakers are so quick to tout them as "the next new thing" simple LCD panel and graphics software, done. Almost zero engineering involved.
Exactly
A good looking analog gauge cluster will always look better than an all digital one. It’s like a watch, if you care about timeless design, analog is ALWAYS better
"Pricing hasn't yet been announced" - I assume this was filmed before the info embargo went away. Acccording to CNET - Base $57,575 (good luck finding the base at a dealer - may need to order it) - Premium $62,075 - adds 19" wheels, active dampers, Mark Levinson sound, 10.3" touchscreen (touchscreen might be a need-to-have if you hate the track pad infotainment interaction) - Launch Edition $68,475 - Special paint colors, alternative interior trim, matte black wheels that are 4 pounds lighter than the standard wheels, unique 2-tone seats. Limited to 500 units Everybody hates on the infotainment on these cars. I own a GS-F with has a slightly different input method, but is basically the same system. It's weird, sure, but you get used to it. I'm still hoping they make an LC-F with the V8 and turbos! This car makes me hope they haven't given up.
Smaller (and hopefully less ugly) wheels, less tech, and lower price ought to make the base config the honey spot. Too bad they'll all have the stupid robot tach and contrived exterior styling.
FYI these prices include the destination charge
I think a supercharger would be more in line with the V8, they had a TRD Aurion in 2008 which had one so maybe they could use something similar
totally agree i have a gs
No, lc f with v10
Love the turn signals. My old BMW has them and I miss them every time I get into my new one. Seems that Doug is the only one that can’t figure out the difference between a tap and a push.
Lexus knows its target. All the old features Doug talks about are things I prefer. Cars have become too techy and this Lexus is far more prefered in my book than all the cars Doug rated higher. It all boils down to preference and I hope to someday be able to have this car in my garage before the v8 becomes extinct.
I agree. He is showing his massive bias towards German cars.
Nah. You’re just a sped. Have fun with that ancient infotainment system and turn signals and gauge clusters. All while paying 80 grand. All you little buddy 😭😭😭😭
@@user-nc7od1rl2y yup!!!
@@user-nc7od1rl2yNo he’s not he’s just telling the truth. The BMW M340i for example is literally better than this car in every single way.
Doug's hand movement and head bobbing in the intro for Cars and Bids makes him look like a scripted NPC
He’s a goof
He is
Bruh
It gets a little more ridiculous, compounding every month. Wonder what next year will look like.
what's an npc
Did Doug Demuro, the famous car reviewer, skip over the fact that this car has a touch screen and the ability to adjust the amount of pumped in engine noise????
I think he just might have, pretty big oversight, maybe losing his touch?!?!
It’s just a touchscreen, a lot of manufacturers are implementing it. It doesn’t really matter if he misses it or not.
@@JamesConnor116 true but it’s a big deal for Lexus since the only other way to use the system is the touch pad.
Yeah it was a big deal for Lexus for the 2022 model year
@@jc_47 they had it in the refresh back when they introduced the redesign of the IS. As you know, Lexus IS slow to implement new tech into their cars. Edit: Grammar
The entertainment unit in this new gen (2020/21 IS) is touch!! If doug touched it he would have realised this, how embarrassing for such a popular KZheadr to have missed this 🙄
Touch or Touch the car is a modern day 🦕 lol Doug did well I don’t there is anything embarrassing for him as much as it is for Lexus.
The less advanced, "dated" features are part of the reason these last so long :) I hope they keep it that way. Who cares about a map on your display or a wireless charger.
Exactly
Big Lexus/Toyota fan here but a lot of other Toyota’s have these features too :/
@@BigBinks yeah! New Lexus NX has almost only touch screens etc. They are making cars so you can choose what you like most
I agree but it’s just the design for me and how everything looks. Toyota Lexus still have the plastic Toyota buttons from 2000’s
if they could just get rid of that massive screen sticking up......
Doug: It has an oldschool tach. It has an oldschool infotainment screen. It has an oldschool shift lever. It has CD changer. All of this is so old. Yuck. ME: so what you're saying is that it's a new reliable car with lots of horsepower and it keeps all my favourite features? Great, I'll buy it!
I thought the same, I honestly see no problem with this, it's a perfect mix of new & reliable technology. Regarding the gear shifter, I see no reason whatsoever to want or need an electronic switch.
You use cds still? I mean they are bad but many cars have cd changers.
@@sohamghosh4815 I have a mk7 Golf, it does have a Cd player, but it is hidden in the glovebox, I can't say I have ever used it, or wanted to. CD's are bulky and awkward, and I can play anything I want through Bluetooth so there isn't any point.
Exactly!!!! Just throw in a tape deck and take my money
Positive thinking. I like that. You must get omega 3s huh 😉
I’ll take a new “old” car with an NA 5.0 japanese v8 and bangin sound system and stylish looks with great build quality and reliability any day of the week.
I’ll take one too, In 10 years for $20k
@@pakigangsta5 it’ll still be $35k in 10 years lol
@@doughboy5858 lmao my IsF was $30k and it was an 8 year old mode at that time.
@@doughboy5858 well mine was before this pandemic craze. I got it in 2017 for a 2008. I sold it last year before pandemic for $22k, clean title. Lowing miles
@@pakigangsta5 yeah that’s why. After the chip shortage every cars value has shot up exponentially. I bought an ES 350 with 24k miles in January for $25k, now I’ve put 14k miles on it & its value went up between $7k-$9k lol it’s crazy
This is why I love Lexus. Yes, it's dated, but the IS500 isn't afraid to be different. And it looks better than the competition, hands down. I'd definitely buy an IS350 though (with the handling pack). The NA V8 is great and everything, but I'd be just as happy with six cylinders, a lower price and lower running costs 👍
Competition had it beat. Even in the looks department 🤷🏻♂️
It does not look better then the competition 💁♀️ what are you talking about?
ive seen both the IS500 and M340i in person and I just fell in love with how the 22+ IS500 looks.
"The last of the V8 interceptors, a piece of history."
"Would have been a shame to blow it up."
"I'm just here for the gasoline."
@Riweuh what a funny website name
The last of the v8!😂👍
Doug the type of guy to test acceleration on an onramp
I think the lack of a ton of modern "features" is a virtue. Like you said, it's relatively old technology, but all of it it will likely last the lifetime of the car. It seems most cars' "features" are simply gimmicks and nothing more. I like that Lexus gives customers what they need and not too much more, especially as a brand new car. I think we'll look back on this and reflect on how good the simplicity of the tech was.
yeah but if they already seem outdated.. its not like they're not there.
@@Corkoth55 that’s just a talking point of critics tho. It has apple CarPlay & the infotainment is a 10 inch touchscreen, if you want a faster transmission all you need is a performance chip module or a throttle controller lol
My 65 year old neighbor has a new S Class and can’t figure out how to use any of the tech. He can’t even change the radio station.
@@doughboy5858 It has a manual mode and paddle shifters that makes the car come alive and that Doug never even mentioned
@@doughboy5858 When you pay 65k for a new car you dont want to fuck with performance modules or throttle controllers. We're talking a 500hp mid size sedan, that thing ain't slow. Anything else is just Doug being a pretentious idiot, like most car journos are. Its their job to find the smallest shit to whine about in cars.
Love how overly dramatic Doug gets when exhibiting the blinker stalks that return to center. Got it on my ‘14 2er and I think it had a two second learning curve. Love ya Doug!
Doug once supported toyota for keeping things simple in the Landcruiser LC200. He gave an example of him wearing two shirts instead of these fancy nano fabric shirts. And now criticizing the old school touch in this lexus. I like the simplicity and old schoolness of this lexus.
Hey mate, if you enjoy Lexus videos I’ve got a few including the IS. Feel free to check it out 😄
The mechanical shift lever is actually a favourite to a lot of people!
Well I’ll tell you, have fun putting a newer German car in neutral with the engine off lol.
Heck yeah!!! I hate those "cheap feeling" rotary shifters.
@@Kona61 and its just keeps getting worse , i don't understand how its not considered a safety issue that the car has to be raised and a cover removed by multiple fasteners and a special tool required to be pushed to safety or service
@@Tiz263 Actually ran into this problem couple days ago. A relatively new Dodge Challenger ran out of gas very close to the gas station. We all ran out to the middle of the road to try to help him get off of the street. And in fact a fire truck that happened to be nearby pulled in front of him turned on the lights to block traffic to keep it safe for us. But we couldn't get it to go into neutral. Powered the car off powered the car on when we would try to go to neutral the N light just blinked and it wouldn't come out of park. That has a hand gear shifter but it's just an actual joystick it doesn't really connect to anything. It's one of those Chrysler joystick style shifters. Some kind of electronic problem or the car was unhappy that it ran out of gas. But to get it off of the road we needed to put it in neutral and we couldn't.
I like it. Feels second nature now
16:10 Doug slammed that trunk like he just watched a Pearl Harbor documentary before filming.
💀💀💀💀
Man I just came here to look for a comment like this. I cringed so hard when I watched that 😂
I actually appreciate the aspects of having a gauge cluster and a real a shift lever, I don't appreciate the newer dial trend in place of it, personally. I would love to have this car for the NA V8 and styling alone. The only gripe I would have is the turn signals. On a side note, I think you forgot to mention that the infotainment system it is actually a touch screen as well, not just a track pad!
I love the fact it has a cd player lol. You get the best sound quality with CDs not b/t. Too much tech is also not good. Too many issues later on down the road. It all depends what you're looking for. Great review doug!
There's plenty of drivers that will welcome this. Not everyone enjoys seeing cars turning into laptops on wheels.
Right
not many will be around when lexus reveals the price
@@lancercool1992 the price has been revealed for over a week, where you been at? 😂 fully loaded $61k, idk if I’ll even be able to get my hands on one at launch. This car has a ton of appeal amongst car enthusiasts.
Well car companies all are doing it, so when u have some rich guy buy this car who doesn’t care about cars he might not like the out dated things
lol enthusiast takes up like less than 5% of market. companies are looking to survive not appeal to a niche audience
I REALLY LOVE HOW OLD SCHOOL THIS CAR IS. Edit : sorry for being so mean in the previous comment
It's a shame the gauge cluster isn't real analog, and we HAVE to have a screen (one sitting on the dash in our eyeline, no less) and yet these points are considered "archaic." All tech on the inside obfuscates the driving experience, in my opinion.
@@12ealDealOfficial you are right ✨
Fuck man I agree I have a 2018 q70s and I love the old school feel inside and out
I would buy this car and rip out the entire entertainment system and touchpad thing. Then buy a replacement console, get rid of the screen mount and blend in a wireless charger under the vents where the CD player is. I’d rather just have my phone play music than any of the stupid complicated infotainment systems these days. Most of them you can’t even adjust the brightness or move buttons around.
Random Guy. Doug is clearly missing the point of this car, the target audience is likely at least 50 yo +, whom don't want all the new fangled tech crap, they just want an old school V8 sporting sedan that sounds good, drives well, and is gonna be reliable (they also probably own a sizable CD collection)...ask me how I know. The "look at me, look at me" boy racer types will buy the BMW anyway, so they are not the target audience, this car is filling a niche in the market that the European manufacturers are ignoring - this car is more likely to be cross shopped against the likes of a Mustang than an M3.
This is one interior that i absolutely love. It really has stood the test of time. People say it is dated but honestly it doesn’t feel or look dated to me. It’s classy and purposeful. My brother had a 350 and I enjoyed it so much when he had it.
Long time owner of multiple M & AMG cars. Have driven German performance for over 10 years but finally switched to Japanese with this IS500. Honestly love the old-school interior like the gear shifter because everything has a heavy, high-quality feel and smell to it. The NA V8 driving experience is truly unique and puts many, many smiles on your face. Anyhow, I sold two of my German cars (M5 & ML63) but still have the 45 AMG. I am very, very happy with this purchase.
Thanks for sharing.
Lmao. Sure you did.
“There’s no car segment just under an RS4 or M3” The S4 would like to have a word with you
yup, S4, M340i, C43 and to a lesser extent CT4\5V
RS3
I’m glad that Lexus is closing out their V8 era with this beast. Great vehicle for one last hurrah
They should bring back the V12
@@vueport99 you mean the v10?
@@FastLegsJerry Toyota has a V12 in Japan which if properly tuned might do wonders
@@vueport99 The Crown's V12? An absolute beauty!
@@yousefal-assaf2985 yes!
Personally, I like how Lexus is keeping some of the older technology, like a real shift lever and gauge cluster. Those modern screens and shift levers are not to my personal taste.
I mostly disagree with this review. I own a '15 IS350 myself, and the interiors look almost exactly the same, so Doug was totally right there that a lot of the car is starting to look dated. I think Doug is missing the point of the car that this is something you can drive for the next 10 years with relatively few issues. This car is going to become incredibly important when all cars move to 4 cylinders or fully electric, and it's most likely going to stand the tests of time. Obviously the year that it's releasing, being right now, it's hard to recognize its importance. However, in the long run this car is going to be hugely important, and having it be designed by Lexus/Toyota is great to hear because you know it's good for 150k+ miles.
150k miles? Mine is getting close to 400k and still running like a champ!
Indeed. I'm still pushing an '03 IS300 with 165,000 miles.
I drive a 16' IS 200t and absolutely love it
@@random_channel_345 . I have seen several is300s low miles already with new engines and I don't know why? Mine still running on the 90k miles service timing belt
@@coesforever1735 Because people suck at treating manuals well...
doug: cluster is old, shift lever is old me: fewer goddamn screens, and actually doing something in your car that doesn't feel like tickling it. FAN-FREAKING-TASTIC!
Exactly people don’t understand that
He hates japanese cars
@@albertosamaniego2476 meanwhile the japanese release an american inspired classic doug: meeh, average.
@@albertosamaniego2476 no he’s jealous of them
the whole time I'm listening to his "cons" I'm thinking they're all pros!
I personally love this car, and especially love that it is NOT an IS-F. It reminds me of the old W124 E500 in a way. Definitely a future unicorn - confidently subtle, even relatively demure in a good way. A big japanese V8 is always a good thing, and it has the ultimate "quirk" for this segment: reliability. I'm not even someone who necessarily prioritizes reliability - but in this case, it adds to the unique sense of ease that this car radiates.
Well Kevin yr wrong. As a current GSF owner and previously an IS-F owner the only thing I like is the shortness. Doug did a #very crappy job overall of his red-eyed review of this car however the car is 100% bs, sadly. I can't vomit enough about the screen and the shiney hiney rear diffuser. I'd stick with a GSF, move to a Benz/BMW or take the blue pill and go to a Tesla. Lexus has screwed us yet again.
The mercedes w124 E/500/E was the first thing I thought of too. Partly because that's exactly the kind d of car I want to purchase: 4dr sedan but with some oomf behind it.
I’d argue the E500 was at least updated for its time in terms of tech/interior quality, the IS500 is a decade behind… If they had introduced an updated Interior for the IS500, and then trickled it down to the 250/350 models after 18-24 months, I would bet the IS500 sales would be exponentially better than what they will turn out to be. For context, I previously owned a W211 E500 and currently own an ISF - would 100% sell my ISF and buy an IS500 if it weren’t for the lousy interior/outdated technology.
@@stephens.9209 Unfortunately, I kind of agree with you. Lexus screwed themselves with this one - with an updated interior and an N/A 5.0 V8, this car would fill a great niche. With the current interior… yikes
@@perspecttv8956 but I don't think it is possible to make new cars with the same level of reliability as this. All of these ECUs required to run everything will be a reliability nightmare. You can have your modern tech but don't expect to have a car that will be working properly in 13 years like my ISF.
In my opinion, this car is just great. It looks gorgeous, interior ergonomic is intuitive, it sounds great. Yes, it might be a bit slower than a 2.0t small sedan that I drive every day, but with rear wheel drive IS gives another level of driving experience. Most “disadvantages” Doug listed in this video will be a reason to buy IS500 for someone. Lexus may be targeting those who are looking for C63 w204 is perfect state.
Finally, in a world where cars have been stripped away from being exhilarating, Lexus comes in clutch with a car that makes you feel… ALIVE. Although I’m getting the IS-350 F Sport, I will have no problem owning this beauty as used in the future. 🔥
It's so funny that stacked screens are now called "oldschool" 😂
he called it that when a bunch of manufacturers still do it 😂 hes so biased against lexus.
Except when it's an Audi or RR
@@orangeVSappel Audi and RR don't have stuck-on screens.
Funny thing is that it used to be integrated into the upper dash. But because the rti is so bad they made it a touch screen so they had to move it closer. I guess Doug didn't know it's also a touch screen as he never mentioned it.
@@yungboicontigo9278 he's not gonna shag you mate
The shift lever being an actual lever instead of buttons or a wheel is a good thing. Change my mind. Seriously though, the only good thing about ditching the traditional shift lever for modern alternatives is aesthetics. Call me old fashioned, but I love the _feel_ of a lever (or even better, a stick) and it's more connected than buttons or a wheel. Kind of like turning a key versus a push start button; it's a minor thing that is part of the experience of driving.
Anton Yelchin
@@Lightrunnerr oof, a painful example of the flaw of using buttons or wheels for changing gear
Agreed.
Agreed to a point, I love shifting, at the same time technology allows for a push button start like many race cars so I prefer that with "keyless" entry, but shifting in the new Z and or a mechanical feeling shifter like Pagani uses would be nice in more cars.
The main reason is aesthetics. Just doesn’t belong in a $60+ sports sedan unless it’s an actual stick shift.
WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT HOW GOOD THIS SOUNDS? Omg wtf i wasn't expecting it to sound THAT GOOD DJRJFUDJ i literally spit my orange juice out
Every other reviewer who loves cars are, Doug isn't.
i feel like people forget to mention the sound system. that is so important for some customers. and this one has a freaking 1600w system or something and no one cares to mention it.
I agree, people are making fun of Lexus still having a cd slot, what they don't know is that CD plus mark Levinson is better than any other Bluetooth bs in the market.
That's because it sucks . . .
It might just be me but I feel like this gauge cluster will still look classic for awhile. While the all digital clusters provide more info I think they could end up looking tacky down the road
This is why cars like Bugatti and other high end sports cars don’t have all these screens bc they know those don’t age well
@@BLACKAAROW they also are slow responding and not that natural feeling. Mercedes' especially are laggy
Spot on, the lfa has a similar sliding tachometer and that interior still looks modern today .
Agreed. The lack of craftsmanship is very apparent in digital gauge displays. They look flat and cheap and the "graphics" generally are tacky and terrible.
Trends don’t age well
I could’ve sworn Matt farah said in his review that the screen is now touchscreen and that solves the touchpad issues
All the cons he lists are my pros: Naturally aspirated V8, around for more than 10 years meaning proven design, less electronic garbage to fail. Sounds like a dream car to me. Doug's critiques essentially the same as flying on a certain airline for the peanuts they offer you on the flight rather than how safe/quickly/direct the flight is. Misses the entire purpose of the car.
This is going to appreciate over time. Simple recipes like large displacement, rwd, combined with Lexus quality and reliability will make this a gem
Nah, if that philosophy didn’t work for the isf what makes you think it’ll work for this thing? 😄
@@hirofujiwara7333 The IS F holds its value very well. Not sure what you're talking about. A used IS F costs more now than a used M3 or a used C63 from the same era. Why would this one do even better than the IS F? Because it's the last of its kind, and unique in it's own way. It has the perfect balance between muscle and luxury; it has a character... something than none of its competitors have!
@@hirofujiwara7333 have you checked the ISF prices my man, lol
@@hirofujiwara7333 Bro this is like the 10th comment I’ve seen you butthurt in. Did Lexus do something to you personally?
Yousef actually Hiro has a point there also the is500 can’t do better than the isf because it’s not a specialty performance car, I mean if a 6cyl BMW can embarrass an isf then what do u think it’ll do the is500? It’s just a V8 and it’s porky which is gonna affect overall performance. As for “value” for an isf to be worth as much as an M3 or AMG of that Era it would have to be one that’s clean all original super low mile bone stock not riced out. To cost more it would have to be compared to an M3 or AMG with higher miles. Go look at a 2008 CLK 63 black series and what it commands there’s not an isf on planet that will ever cost that much even if you found an isf with zero miles. Lexus is just an entry level brand and truth be told they do copy and imitate the better German brands, the logic lexus fans use is equivalent to someone saying a knock off Louis Vuitton hand should cost more than the real thing. I think that’s what Hiro was alluding to, not necessarily bashing lexus because he’s made good comments on it before.
When is Doug going to realize that "new" and "modern" doesn't necessarily equate to "better"? It's funny, he lauds the instrument cluster as THE best in the industry, and almost in the same breath shames it for being 10 years old. Who cares? It's still excellent. Just like a '57 Bel Air or a '92 Accord, they're old but that doesn't make them any less awesome.
hes been doing that alot in videos recently
As an owner of a 1990-1993 Accord, it is awesome despite its age and that's why I love it and choose to keep it, even among my three newer cars. There's so much more to a car than "modern" and "new", there's a feeling and a sense of design that goes into it. Also why the tank 90's tank S class is considered to be the favorite among all generations.
old cars are better. unreliable was *created*
New doesn't necessarily equate better but you know what definitely doesn't equate better - dated. That is his point. It's not like they have a retro design and analog instrument clusters or anything like that. It's just the stuff they have been using since last design refresh how many ever years ago that was. Interiors of cars age terribly as it is but if you are already using a dated design, the resale value will be impacted quite heavily.
I agree with you. He's all over the place . He will always be partial to German rivals that are not in the same league
I’ll buy this just for the CD player, remind me of the olds days
most modern cars still have cd players.
@@remyd8767You need to take a ride to a car dealership. Unless its a car model thats been refreshed a million times over the past 10 years most new cars do not come with a CD player. I wish i had one in my 2018 camaro but it just doesnt exist.
1) Infotainment - touch screen was not mentioned nor used as such; that track pad sucks but touch screen is fine. Also to note you can see the directions in the front screen if you go through the menus. 2) Sound is indeed piped into the car, but you can turn it off 3) I wonder what mode the car was in when doing pulls; What I have noted with the car is that when its in sport + mode and above 4k rpms the car shifts just fine; its not a ZF or a dual-clutch but just enough. 4) I was a critic to the non-brembo breaks but I was surprised how well the supplied brakes handle on the track; on another note you can easily update the brakes to RCF Calipers for $1800 brand new from lexus.
This car will outsell and exceed expectations. This is the car every driver, consumer and enthusiast will enjoy
Yes we can see all the old folks and middle aged geeks lining up to buy this overpriced thing 🙄😆
I can’t believe Doug is calling the gear shifter “old school”
It's been used for decades and is now slowly disappearing. It's old school.
@@AtactHD old school is steering column mounted gear shifters, or pedal parking brake. Having a normal gear shifter isn't old school yet
I’d rather prefer this type of shifter than the electronic one. it’s just one less thing to break
I’d rather prefer this type of shifter than the electronic one. it’s just one less thing to break
Seriously Doug wines and complaints to much he literally does it to every Lexus model.
This brings tears to my eyes. I don't even like Lexus, but Toyota has proven they care for the true car enthusiast by making this car. Brilliant!! And it is also sad that this may well be the last time we see something like this. We live in the last breath of car culture...
The Chevy SS was available with a manual transmission. They appreciated nicely since they were discontinued.
ICEs make cars breathing creatures. EVs have no soul. Futures cars = disappointing
@MELLOW kinda of a silly argument. Disney owns ESPN. you can say Disney changed its ESPN lineup or you can say ESPN changed its ESPN lineup. Comcast owns Universal Studios. You can say Universal added a new attraction to its theme park lineup or you can say Comcast did it. Still the same messaging.
All the reasons and complaints that DeMuro has for the IS 500 is why I want one-being the last of the semi-analog, executive sport, naturally aspirated V8s on the market. I know I'm getting overall quality with the Lexus. It's no surprise that Doug misses the point entirely.
So what I've learned after spending 2 minutes on Lexus' website that I haven't on a 23 minute waste of time video is that it comes with Carplay / Android Auto, and it has a touch screen. So 99% of the UI problems vanish instantly. This car is good. Old but good.
Hey mate, if you enjoy Lexus videos I’ve got a few including the IS. Feel free to check it out 😄
Compact sedans with N/A V8s is exactly what I've been hunting for lately. This is a beautiful addition!
Why does it say N/A?
@@robertjebediahfreeman N/A stands for naturally aspirated (no turbochargers or superchargers).
@@fluffiestbiscuit5846 Ohh
@@robertjebediahfreeman must be a new generation to not knowing what NA is lol
@@frd3880 No I know what naturally aspirated means.Its just N/A written like that usually means “not applicable” so I was confused lol
Loved my 08 ISF and current 12 ISF, and appreciate what Lexus did here. These make amazing daily drivers.
I knew I’d find you here lol
As an ISF owner myself, that is correct. But the 2IS infotainment system is worlds ahead of the 3IS one.
Real isf guy
Just correcting some statements made by Doug so that there isn’t anymore added confusion about this car than there already is… 1. Lexus considers this a 4th gen redesign. It is not a facelift. Although the platform for this car is shared w/ the 3rd gen that was sold from 2014-2020, the body of the 2021+ is completely new. No panel is the same. 2. This is not supposed to be an M3 competitor. The German compact sport sedans of that category are now pushing over 500+hp. Lexus has already stated that this is an S4, M340i, C43 AMG competitor. He says that @ first but then goes back to comparing it to an M3. 3. The rear sunshade is for infants in rear facing seats because the roof line & rear window are @ such a low angle. 4. If you put the transmission in (M)anual and Sport+ it is fast. Those conditions have to be met in order for it to shift quickly as intended. It is programmed to have a shift delay in (D)rive under power. It is also programmed to be a little clunky and give you that shift shock to give it the feel of a sequential manual transmission. This exact transmission is the reason why most manufacturers are going from DCT back to Auto trans.
And the infotainment system is a touchscreen.
I think this is hands down one of the most beautiful sedans i have EVER seen
This, for what it is, is the best in its segment without a doubt.
M340i is faster, handles better, nicer interior, more tech, more efficent and still sounds very good
@@kristians2704 the m340i is good, but this is better.
@@mementoscuderia833 He just gave you a list of reasons the M340i is better and your response is “this is better?” You seem really educated about cars!
No it isn’t. It sounds great but it’s far from segment best
@@mattX5 Okay then let me give you a list : -Lexus sounds better, it looks more "special" it will be 4x times more reliable than the Bmw, and also Lexus probably has nicer seats, considering they are known for making good seats.
I'm so glad Lexus keeps making "emotional" cars instead of trying to outdo the competition in every spec, trying to cater to all the bench racers who never buy new cars anyways. Lexuses (Lexi?) are never the best on paper, but once you get behind the wheel, you start to understand the appeal.
definitely not true for the RC-F 😂 that just fell on its face compared to the rest. I'd love to take a GS-F for a spin and see how it compares to BMW
Completely agree. Once you get behind the wheel you start to appreciate it. Once you’ve had it for 10 years 200,000 miles with little more than basic maintenance you fully appreciate it.
Yep made no sense to overdue their updates.. They knew what they were doing based on anticipated sales
This. This. This.
I actually own a 2015 is 250 and will be getting the is500 in a couple of years and I actually love the way the turn signal functions, it takes less than a few minutes to get acclimated to it and feels so much more premium and luxurious especially compared to my 2012 civic due to the fact that you can’t hear or feel the return to center click as you straighten the wheel.
Never in a million years have i had an issue with those turn signals.
Doug doesn't always open and close trunks like a mad man, but when he does...
He slammed that trunk like he just watched a documentary on Pearl Harbor. It’s been almost 80 years Doug, shit.
Reviews other cars: “these modern shift selectors are just awful and unintuitive” Reviews this car: “has a normal shift selector and seems old and uninteresting”. Well, what do you want then?
He is as confused as it gets.
Just a Toyota hater.
A modern shift selector that isn't awful and unintuitive. Not too hard to figure that one out, any other questions just call me.
I don’t get it. He hates buttons and old school shifters. 🤷♂️
manual transmission?
Literally the most beautiful car in the market today of its class, lets argue
outstanding opinions going out on this video. mostly bang on i think.
You’d think, after all these years, that Dough would finally figure out the turn signal half-touch
I love these turn signals on my GS. I'm going to miss them when I get my next car.
@@johntrash1750 most cars have them now
@@johntrash1750 don’t miss them buy a gsf😭 but I feel u I got a Gs and would miss them their amazing he just doesn’t know what he’s doing 😂
@@johntrash1750 I'm actually sitting in my GS watching this video 👌🏻... And I reached over and hit the turn signal and quickly and easily turned it off 🤔, he over did the dramatics for that.
That's what I'm saying bro. I swear that by now, he hasn't figured it out just because he's stubborn. Half touch for a short signal if you're changing lanes, full touch for a full signal. Half touch opposite direction to cancel. In practice, it's brilliant to use and I hate that BMW and other manufacturers ditched it.
I’ll be honest, the CD slot is kinda charming. I like using CD’s occasionally lol
I still use cd's all the time. Half of this review is Doug not knowing how to properly use the features available. This is one of yhe few 4 doors out now id even consider.
Exactly same
Tbh with Spotify and apple music i rarely use cd's anymore
Considering the fact that Doug compares almost everything to all German models, he wouldn’t consider anything not found in a “modern” rival charming.
CDs all the way - especially after some musician or band gig, and coming back from their merch and CD corner...
Never knew this existed, amazing
A true car people will love these "dated" tech as they are so reliable and give your that bonding that they have with the car. I have the 2017 Lexus IS200T and I still love the physical button it uses and I actually like the non fsport dashboard more. And yes, I still uses the CD/DVD slot!
That’s epic mate and listerally anyone living with all these touch screens almost always gets annoyed with it! Also mate, if you enjoy Lexus videos I’ve got a few including the IS. Feel free to check it out 😄
Doug, I'll check out cars and bids. I just want to see my kids again
There’s no replacement for displacement , Lexus is awesome for making this car in a time of small turbo charged engines.
I agree so much
Except all that displacement to get your ass kicked by some 30k Mustang's and Camaros. Hell, even some 4 cylinder cars now 😂
@@ryanturnerboles not always about racing
Ryan that is true 😂🤣
When fans get hurt about the facts, they always say “well it’s not always about racing” 🤦🏻♂️ Lolol😂
With all the auto Brands going electric and most taking the fun enthusiasts aspect out of these cars, I appreciate Lexus making this car! A naturally aspirated V8 shoved in a small car; that's my dream combo! And being a JDM fan, this is borderline tunerisqu and straight the dealer! Thank you Lexus! Come on Nissan/Infiniti, give us something stronger than the RS400! Thanks for the review!
*gauge cluster moves and shows frickin g-force* doug: the gauge is very small and limited meanwhile i can't even see how fast im going in my own car
Is crazy that most people don't give an "F" about this car.
Mostly because of all the Karens that are environmentalists who drives a Toyota Corolla or Yaris.
@@Craftyboy89 haha so true! Don’t forget the CUMRYS as well. 🤣
lol
It's because beyond the V8 the car is laughably old and shoehorning the V8 in their has messed up the styling balance. It LOOKS front heavy now and the rear looks like it's squatting at the same time. It's also slower than some of the 6-cylinder competition and the chassis isn't a true F product able to handle the extra power. On paper this car is a dream, but in reality it's very lackluster.
@@Craftyboy89 is it bad to care for our future?
I love how old school the car is. It’s truly it’s own super power giving most of these features have been used before on other models. It’s what makes these Toyota’s old but reliable.
Man, the only old school thing this is missing is a 6mt :/
It’s definitely a Toyota 😂
"the IS doesn't attract many buyers" that's how I knew this guy is a Lexus hater. The IS actually sells really well... read an article about they fly off the lots because everyone wants one.
I remember his review on the 1990 Lexus LS400 and was complaining why it didn’t have any modern features
Yeah since he reviewed the LX570, he said in the end of the video that "I don't understand why would anyone buy this new" while there are land cruisers and LX570s everywhere in Asia and the Middle East
Josiah b only old folks and middle aged geeks want this overpriced turd not “everyone” considering the competition have 6 bangers that can spank it. Lolol
Really like those wheels
Doug is the type of guy to point to help a blind person.
"Over there, by that tree"
I imagine this is the exact level Doug gets at when he's furious.
lolol “THIS is a small list of reasons i won’t end ur life right now…” furiously quirky.
I love the fact it still has a cd. I love cds over Bluetooth and aux integration
Doug Demuro in the Tacoma: I love the old school things in there! Doug Demuro in the IS500: EVERYTHING IS SO OUTDATED
My thoughts exactly.
@@xnova5 lol
I don't see a damn thing wrong with this car.... It's a sweet looking ride
The screen. I hate that it isn’t better integrated. It’s look like an iPad that was added add an after thought.. i hate when automaker does that.
@@aswd45-mk14 Same. Also, for an enthusiasts' car, it needs analog gauges. They needed to put the screen in the center stack and give us standard gauges, along with a manual transmission.
"This is surely the last time this will ever happen" Thats what they said when the GS F came out and was phased out last year
I think Lexus said this is the last new N/A V8 car they will make
A 2uz powered rx???
Yep they’ve been saying it’s the end of big NA engines for the last 10-15 years
@@Keebler475 The last non-F car. F cars will still get their V8.
@@yousefal-assaf2985 F is a F...same engine. Lexus will never compete with Cadillac and the German's.
seeing doug press on the fenders and seeing the car suspension go up and down just tells how soft it is
I agree with what he says about the transmission, my parents have a ‘15 GS350 that I drive from time to time. The tranny really limits its ability, it hangs gears a bit too long and the paddle shifting is more of a recommendation. I know they want to make their cars as smooth as possible but I would personally like speed and punch vs super smooth.