Cool of Jeremy to let you fly his unit and good overview. We are the manufacturer of the SP140 so if you have any questions you can reply here. Also another note the SP140 V2 is now out. A lot of changes to the frame but overall most stuff is similar so this will be informative vid for people so great vid.
@PDWhite7 ай бұрын
@@TRex-uh2er It's available to order and is shipping at the end of the month.
@PDWhite6 ай бұрын
@@PDWhite Why don't you fix the over sensitive throttle button? Almost everyone complains about it. Can't it be made a bit tight to avoid any accidental prop over spinning?
@MahaBali79756 ай бұрын
Would it be possible to modify this unit to pull instead of push or are the bearings set up for one direction only? Thank you for any help in advance.
@MatthewZelek-iv8tb5 ай бұрын
@@MatthewZelek-iv8tb yes it can be used for both
@PDWhite5 ай бұрын
The throttle has different levels of sensitivity and very easy to get used to it kzhead.info/sun/apdqeKaOaGdoeXk/bejne.html @@MahaBali7975
@philsgreenice5 ай бұрын
You had an electric motor, should have climbed up two thousand feet and went on glide. Just the idea of a quiet glide sounds fun
@carlcolorado35497 ай бұрын
Easy fix. Get the best most efficent wing in the game right now and two batteries in parallel would give you twice the range
@jamesordwayultralightpilotАй бұрын
I'm thinking about getting into paramotoring. You'll never see me in an electric car but for a paramotor it just makes sense to be battery powered. If I could get around 45 minutes of flight time that would be absolutely perfect
@lobbyrobby5 ай бұрын
completely agree
@SirDrifto2 ай бұрын
you should go take an electric car for a test drive. mind=changed
@licencetoswillАй бұрын
@@licencetoswill I see what you're saying but for my lifestyle it's just not practical. Mostly because I live up North and it's winter here 7 months out of the year haha. I've heard the range is absolutely horrible when it's really cold out. That and I need a pickup as a daily and for a fun car I have a boosted 2020 mustang 😎
@lobbyrobbyАй бұрын
For the electric paramotor wouldn't you be able to fit a little light weight solar panel to charge the batteries up.. just a thought
@grahamgtrowlands2628 күн бұрын
Man, I miss flying there! Gonna have to find some flying buddies here in Tennessee.
@coloradocj2436 ай бұрын
That's true, in my opinion is the future. I made my own eppg project. Im also waiting for good weather to try for first time e-props but dual blade, much more efficient. New supporter here. Have a great flights
@NunoFlyer6 ай бұрын
Best of luck!
@SirDrifto6 ай бұрын
Let me know when you need a test pilot, would love to fly it, and very cool btw!
@SirDrifto2 ай бұрын
Lighter, less fuel spill/ignition concerns (except overcharging), and overall quieter tech.. but with an average flight time charge of 30-40mins.. this is still a technology in its infancy and is not replacing gas motors any time soon.
@avatar66994 ай бұрын
I agree, but its a great start to something in the future.
@SirDrifto2 ай бұрын
He said that’s his average, that’s also with only 2 batteries, you can place 4 on according to the brands website to double the time.
@kennowaybonaparte9451Ай бұрын
It's all about the battery tech. Once they can charge faster, hold more power, and are cheaper, it's game over. We're right at that threshold too and there's a bunch of interesting stuff happening in labs that is super promising for achieving these improvements.
@CharlesVanNoland3 ай бұрын
After accounting for efficiency differences, gasoline still has about 50x the energy density of batteries. Batteries won't catch up without some miracle breakthrough that might not even exist.
@geniusiknowit3 ай бұрын
@@geniusiknowitSure, and the pursuit of solidstate batteries means instantly doubling the capacity of batteries, and that might be enough to make it worth switching over with paramotors because you'll also be able to charge way faster by just dumping tons of energy into a battery without the possibility of it blowing up. Aside from low energy-to-weight ratio and the charge time, electric paramotors are ideal because there are less things that can go wrong. Your mechanical throttle cable won't rust and snap inside the sleeve, your carb won't clog up, nothing will rattle loose in flight, etc... So a proper solidstate battery at least doubling flight time and reducing charge time to minutes, that's all that I myself need to go electric w/ PPGing.
@CharlesVanNoland3 ай бұрын
..i fly fpv drones..i can't wait tell some new batteries come out...maybe some type of little nuclear batteries that last for years 😂❤❤
@UNLOCKEDANDOVERCLOCK3 ай бұрын
Can you charge the battery while gliding? Regen.
@freddymax5256Ай бұрын
@@freddymax5256 That's not going to work. A propeller isn't like a wheel on the ground where it rotates the same amount whether you're going uphill or downhill. The air is slippery. A propeller also does not have the same aerodynamic characteristics as a turbine that's designed for being rotated by the air flowing through it. This is why wind turbines are HUGE. It's a silly idea, sir.
@CharlesVanNolandАй бұрын
Great flying and spot on impressions! I've started right with eppg after three years of pg, been enjoying mine a lot! What camera did you use? It has a great image. Microphone seems oversensitive at times..
@Seneslau076 ай бұрын
Great to hear! Yes mic was too close to mouth peice
@SirDrifto6 ай бұрын
When I was a kid, driving a car was all about transferring as much power to the road as possible, monitoring revs by sound, feel, and tach. “Efficiency” was represented by that thin line between maximum power, and breaking the tires loose upon acceleration, turns, and braking. The skilled driver could maintain that equilibrium, while the unskilled driver merely sought to leave as much rubber in the road. Displaying noise and smoke was the very point of the neophyte. Having “evolved” through the passage of time, and gaining familiarity with hybrid and electric vehicles, efficiency means something very different, but no less enjoyable. Wringing as much from a vehicle now means achieving as much as possible while preserving resources to apply as long as possible. Leaving a gasser at the line is a lot of fun, but so is realizing that you just “banked” resources in the battery by efficiently getting off the power whenever possible. Think crop duster vs motor glider. Both fly - but differently. A crop duster never cores a thermal. ICE aficionados always equate electric propulsion with “range anxiety”, whether distance or duration. It’s a mindset. Once familiarity is gained with electric storage and application, range anxiety begins to fade away for a truly holistic appreciation of the benefits. Thanks for the video!
@swashfrogsailor2 ай бұрын
Does it have a rpm lock out so you don't overspeed your prop? I'm so in love with this motor and only made it so far to the point of take off.
@user-ok2vl1yo5s6 ай бұрын
Yes it has a limiter.
@SirDrifto6 ай бұрын
One thing the GROSE never changes with Charge state Like Gas @ 6 Lbs/Gal. Replacable Battries would make it even more Practical. We in the R/C Plane Hobby all have Multiple LIPOLY Battries Not LION.
@HoundDogMech2 ай бұрын
Unrelated to the EV paramotor, but I took my first flight out of that field a few years ago. That town and neighborhood is growing a bunch!
@555slam2 ай бұрын
i just build one. and i will never go back to gasoline. thanks for the review of the fantastic SP140
@cloudpandarism26276 ай бұрын
May I ask what the end total was to build one? And by build is it more modular or a full on garage necessary for building?
@mythoti6 ай бұрын
Right on!
@SirDrifto6 ай бұрын
@@mythoti Ever find any elaboration?
@sandiago75643 ай бұрын
@@sandiago7564 i didnt get any notifications! sorry guys. total costs were around 5000$. but you cant calculate like that. i am currently working on 4 different protoypes. each is very different in performance, flight time, weight and price. i think the best unit i am working on is a step down for power from the SP140 because 99%% of all pilots i know here said its massively overpowered and way too much for them. they can take off with 40% throttle and even thats alot. my goal is a lightweight version with modular battery slots. wanna fly around 30 min but have it extreme light around 18kg take off weight for the whole unit? or wanna fly longer around 70 to 80 min with 29kg total weight? or wanna fly 2 hours plus for cross country? all possible right now. we planned to test a week ago but weather sucks so we gotta wait until spring. just finished lots of new features in the display. altitude, face plant protection, motor temperature gauge with overheating protection blablabla. is all coming! if you need parts let me know.
@cloudpandarism26273 ай бұрын
@@mythoti sorry i didnt get notified. thanks youtube... i am working on a modular version as well which should fit on most normal PPG frames. less power and flight time. but everything integrated. engine, gastank off. 4 bolts on, charge it up and ready to fly. also read my answer i just send
@cloudpandarism26273 ай бұрын
After 18 minutes you only had 55% battery life. Thats pretty short flight time. Kinda like a Tesla. Great for short trips but not flights over 40 minutes. I often fly at full throttle to get high. Based on that battery drain that’d be less than a half hour flight.
@larrykorell750Ай бұрын
Where was this Flight Conducted?
@HoundDogMech2 ай бұрын
Colorado
@SirDrifto2 ай бұрын
I love this! but like the man said, 30-45min flight time just isn't enough to justify the price. I say they need to get to 5-7kWh of battery pack to make them really come alive in the markets.
@brianalsum77066 ай бұрын
Hopefully battery tech can be improved!
@KHos735 ай бұрын
@@KHos73 Amprius silicon anode batteries are the batteries we've been waiting for! exicted to find out when OpenPPG will make packs using these new improved batteries!? 6 minutes to 80% charge times, for instance!!
@riverroad51695 ай бұрын
I can fly 30mn on a 2.7Kwh battery at sea level. We have quite a fair number of pilots around here. Most of them use two stroke motors but they are beginning to eyeball the SP140 as the numbers are growing. The average cruising time for the locals is 20 to 40mn before landing, spending a bit of time on the ground with buddies and taking another flight. More pilots are turning electric here. My charging time after a flight is less than an hour. We even have two car electric charging stations on the parking lot if desperate. It is a bit slow because it is free and with a two hour limit, but hey, what do you want for nothing?!😄Plus you can unplug and re-plug the battery immediately after two hours if not in a hurry😆. Amazon sells an adapter for the PPG battery cable to the charging station cable plug. The machine in this video above was an older version. The 2024 version is out now and had a ton of updates. There is also an App one can use to modify settings from your phone if you wish to,... different power modes, etc... I am not representing OpenPPG but have been flying them from start about four years and so far it has been a great experience. Easy does it flying with friends is all I want. The motor is powerful and virtually maintenance free. The battery safe if you take care of it. BMS and each cell also has its own safety feature. I can also do ridge soaring free-flying motor off and bridge the gaps on the ridge where low and paragliders can't fly because too wide a distance to bridge. I had over one hour flights and landed with the battery nearly full since it only takes about fifteen seconds to reach the lift band before turning the motor off. Really quiet at cruising speeds for sure. I understand the resistance to change by gas powered pilots but it is only a matter of time before battery capacity gets better with safer chemistry and lower prices the way things are going these days. If the conditions are really great for the day, I will grab two half hour batteries but most of the time only one will fit the bill. I fly a few times a week weather depending. kzhead.info/sun/p5ptpLacr56hm4k/bejne.html kzhead.info/sun/lLmYk82xn3ucfZ8/bejne.html Cheers!
@philsgreenice5 ай бұрын
Hey guys do you know whether any tandem electric paramotors exist?
@week31063 ай бұрын
Not sure if one is coming yet
@SirDrifto3 ай бұрын
With my 26 square meter wing, I should get close to 1 hour in the air. And the battery can only get better in the conning years...Li-Ion is old technology! By 2027 we should have Li-Sulfur batteries. 300Wh/Kg versus 600Wh/Kg #BigDifference
@MrGoMario6 ай бұрын
That’s great to hear
@SirDrifto6 ай бұрын
@@SirDrifto new batteries from Amprius, are silicon anode @ 500Wh/Kg !!!
@riverroad51695 ай бұрын
I watched these grow from version one. I almost brought one. I'm holding out until either I can literally swap a "bolt-on " batt/motor unit onto my macfly or the batteries get more refined where you can discharge some how. What if you end up not flying now you got a full battery to deal with.
@macflyguy51667 ай бұрын
If anyone in Australia has purchased or tried this, can they give us the AUD price and seller information?Tnks
@bulentdemir93572 ай бұрын
Weird & very cool....
@jamesonpace7267 ай бұрын
We've got a few guys with OpenPPG electric units here in the Bay. The reviews are mixed. Originally I wanted one but in hindsight I am glad I didn't. Cons weve seen. 1) Very long delivery times.. up to a year for one guy. 2) Very delicate frame. To compensate for the heavy battery pack they made the frame just a bit too delicate for every day knocks and bumps. Definitely not for newbies, ive seen too many frames wrecked. 3) The weight of a gas engine unit gets lighter as you fly so comparing it to a full tank of fuel gas engine isnt necessarily accurate. 4) Almost everyone agrees the throttle is too sensitive, this should be an easy fix though with just reprogramming the chip. 5) Not as quiet as you would think. While its quieter than a ICE engine its still got an annoying high pitched sound which would spook animals / annoy people just as much. 6) Not as reliable as believed. We've seen overheating issues melt the entire battery pack as well as other little issues. 7) Too short duration.. everyone I know is waiting til they gave a real life 1.5hr time frame. 8) Too long recharge time. Pros: 1) Quieter, instant off and on for gliding down in peace. 2)Tons of power. 3) No fuel fumes, can be stored inside a apartment or even better a travel van. Ultimately everyone agrees we will all be on one eventually however we are thinking its 10yrs away for the battery density to get to a good enough level and even then it really needs to be significantly better to make the switch. Wish them all the best.
@Para_Ninja7 ай бұрын
Hate to say this but I know lithium batteries and this is a disaster waiting to happen at 1000 feet when the battery decides to explode into hot torching flames on your back... not a great position to be in when it does and will happen.
@dudeman_1970Ай бұрын
yeah its not like having a tank full of imflamable gas below you that couldnt happend...
@albertopajuelomontes2066Ай бұрын
Gas never ignites 😂🤷♂️
@SirDriftoАй бұрын
Lithium ion cells are pretty reliable and stable, especially if they are sourced from the top 5 manufacturers. The trouble is more down to the fact the general public understands engines better than they do batteries. As long as the BMS is properly monitoring and reporting the voltage and internal resistance it is very safe.
@JPspinFPVАй бұрын
Maybe Hybrid if possible would be a good idea..... have a small inbuilt electric to help aid rescue incase the petrol motor went out
@fensterputzernuernberg3 ай бұрын
Good idea!
@SirDrifto2 ай бұрын
Well would of loved to see you review but you let to many commercials in not watching
@SailingTheSpaceBetween3 ай бұрын
I don't think the creator has any control over the commercials. I have KZhead Premium so I don't evr have to deal with the interruptions.
@D80pfb2 ай бұрын
Learn to build your own battery! I did, and you can make 2500 dollar battery for about 500
@jakegreenwald469Ай бұрын
If you had two or three battery packs for a few flights it would be ok but how much would that cost???? Shouldn’t be that much because they are probably made from 18650 batteries. Then again, people are charging $18 for a $2 hamburger….
@Diesel42422 ай бұрын
The down side is the probability of fire is higher. Fabrics burn like crazy and adding airspeed makes it worse. A real nightmare if you burn out a speed controller or something and have a short circuit battery. I have seen plenty of such troubles while messing with high discharge lipo hauling large RC gliders aloft for soaring.
@banalpedant414 ай бұрын
That is a valid point
@SirDrifto4 ай бұрын
As practical as EVs.
@offshoretinker6 ай бұрын
These are great if you don't travel with your motor. To take an electric motor on a road trip would be a complete pain in the ass.
@balkan_pil0t6 ай бұрын
Just dont fly over Israel these days with this thing...
@i200106 ай бұрын
I know a guy who lost his house few months ago because of his electric paramotror got fire at night... to me this is still a dead end. With my two strokes I can fly for aprox 4h. Nothing electric can beat that.
@flajflaj6 ай бұрын
What brand motor was it?
@philsgreenice5 ай бұрын
@@philsgreenice Tbh, I have no idea. There was a crowd funding for purchasing a new PPG (this time not electric) on our Polish PPG google group. As I know the reason of fire was a long term storage of the battery (for the winter). Quote (google translated) from the forum: "On behalf of myself and my friend Tomek, I would like to thank the Polish paragliding company PowAir (Dudek Paragliders) for their empathy and consideration of the situation Tomek found himself in when he lost all his PPG equipment in a fire in his house, i.e. a wing, a drive, a helmet, a radio, a rescue parachute and even documents from permissions. The remaining losses are much greater, so I decided, as a representative of PowAir, to ask the company for help in rebuilding new paragliding equipment for Tomek. We received help from PowAir, for which we thank you again!!! Our friend Tomek will want to buy a new drive (probably not an electric one), so if a Polish manufacturer takes care of Tomek's situation, we will all be grateful and we will also thank him in the paragliding media. By the way, I would like to advise the owners of "electric PPG" (the fire was caused by the battery in the drive) to dismantle the batteries during the "non-season" period and place them in a case made of asbestos blanket, which, as my friend suggested, can be purchased in model stores (more knowledgeable in this matter lease give me some tips so that EVERYONE! owners of electric PPG can protect themselves) Thank you once again for your support and I will introduce myself at the end so that any sponsors can contact me about helping to rebuild Tomek's equipment."
@flajflaj4 ай бұрын
Jeremy is a good dude! Always enjoy geeking out over paramotors with him haha 🪂
@lucas21437 ай бұрын
He sure is!
@SirDrifto7 ай бұрын
How much is?
@serg91763 ай бұрын
I just paid $7000.US for mine. Delivered yesterday!
@D80pfb2 ай бұрын
worst fear this battery going off strapped to your back while you are in the air.
@justinfaires27824 ай бұрын
What about instead of having to wait for the battery to recharge, ya could change the batteries over so one is charging whilst ya in the air ?! ......like ya would with a Drone for example! 🫶🫡
Cool of Jeremy to let you fly his unit and good overview. We are the manufacturer of the SP140 so if you have any questions you can reply here. Also another note the SP140 V2 is now out. A lot of changes to the frame but overall most stuff is similar so this will be informative vid for people so great vid.
@@TRex-uh2er It's available to order and is shipping at the end of the month.
@@PDWhite Why don't you fix the over sensitive throttle button? Almost everyone complains about it. Can't it be made a bit tight to avoid any accidental prop over spinning?
Would it be possible to modify this unit to pull instead of push or are the bearings set up for one direction only? Thank you for any help in advance.
@@MatthewZelek-iv8tb yes it can be used for both
The throttle has different levels of sensitivity and very easy to get used to it kzhead.info/sun/apdqeKaOaGdoeXk/bejne.html @@MahaBali7975
You had an electric motor, should have climbed up two thousand feet and went on glide. Just the idea of a quiet glide sounds fun
Easy fix. Get the best most efficent wing in the game right now and two batteries in parallel would give you twice the range
I'm thinking about getting into paramotoring. You'll never see me in an electric car but for a paramotor it just makes sense to be battery powered. If I could get around 45 minutes of flight time that would be absolutely perfect
completely agree
you should go take an electric car for a test drive. mind=changed
@@licencetoswill I see what you're saying but for my lifestyle it's just not practical. Mostly because I live up North and it's winter here 7 months out of the year haha. I've heard the range is absolutely horrible when it's really cold out. That and I need a pickup as a daily and for a fun car I have a boosted 2020 mustang 😎
For the electric paramotor wouldn't you be able to fit a little light weight solar panel to charge the batteries up.. just a thought
Man, I miss flying there! Gonna have to find some flying buddies here in Tennessee.
That's true, in my opinion is the future. I made my own eppg project. Im also waiting for good weather to try for first time e-props but dual blade, much more efficient. New supporter here. Have a great flights
Best of luck!
Let me know when you need a test pilot, would love to fly it, and very cool btw!
Lighter, less fuel spill/ignition concerns (except overcharging), and overall quieter tech.. but with an average flight time charge of 30-40mins.. this is still a technology in its infancy and is not replacing gas motors any time soon.
I agree, but its a great start to something in the future.
He said that’s his average, that’s also with only 2 batteries, you can place 4 on according to the brands website to double the time.
It's all about the battery tech. Once they can charge faster, hold more power, and are cheaper, it's game over. We're right at that threshold too and there's a bunch of interesting stuff happening in labs that is super promising for achieving these improvements.
After accounting for efficiency differences, gasoline still has about 50x the energy density of batteries. Batteries won't catch up without some miracle breakthrough that might not even exist.
@@geniusiknowitSure, and the pursuit of solidstate batteries means instantly doubling the capacity of batteries, and that might be enough to make it worth switching over with paramotors because you'll also be able to charge way faster by just dumping tons of energy into a battery without the possibility of it blowing up. Aside from low energy-to-weight ratio and the charge time, electric paramotors are ideal because there are less things that can go wrong. Your mechanical throttle cable won't rust and snap inside the sleeve, your carb won't clog up, nothing will rattle loose in flight, etc... So a proper solidstate battery at least doubling flight time and reducing charge time to minutes, that's all that I myself need to go electric w/ PPGing.
..i fly fpv drones..i can't wait tell some new batteries come out...maybe some type of little nuclear batteries that last for years 😂❤❤
Can you charge the battery while gliding? Regen.
@@freddymax5256 That's not going to work. A propeller isn't like a wheel on the ground where it rotates the same amount whether you're going uphill or downhill. The air is slippery. A propeller also does not have the same aerodynamic characteristics as a turbine that's designed for being rotated by the air flowing through it. This is why wind turbines are HUGE. It's a silly idea, sir.
Great flying and spot on impressions! I've started right with eppg after three years of pg, been enjoying mine a lot! What camera did you use? It has a great image. Microphone seems oversensitive at times..
Great to hear! Yes mic was too close to mouth peice
When I was a kid, driving a car was all about transferring as much power to the road as possible, monitoring revs by sound, feel, and tach. “Efficiency” was represented by that thin line between maximum power, and breaking the tires loose upon acceleration, turns, and braking. The skilled driver could maintain that equilibrium, while the unskilled driver merely sought to leave as much rubber in the road. Displaying noise and smoke was the very point of the neophyte. Having “evolved” through the passage of time, and gaining familiarity with hybrid and electric vehicles, efficiency means something very different, but no less enjoyable. Wringing as much from a vehicle now means achieving as much as possible while preserving resources to apply as long as possible. Leaving a gasser at the line is a lot of fun, but so is realizing that you just “banked” resources in the battery by efficiently getting off the power whenever possible. Think crop duster vs motor glider. Both fly - but differently. A crop duster never cores a thermal. ICE aficionados always equate electric propulsion with “range anxiety”, whether distance or duration. It’s a mindset. Once familiarity is gained with electric storage and application, range anxiety begins to fade away for a truly holistic appreciation of the benefits. Thanks for the video!
Does it have a rpm lock out so you don't overspeed your prop? I'm so in love with this motor and only made it so far to the point of take off.
Yes it has a limiter.
One thing the GROSE never changes with Charge state Like Gas @ 6 Lbs/Gal. Replacable Battries would make it even more Practical. We in the R/C Plane Hobby all have Multiple LIPOLY Battries Not LION.
Unrelated to the EV paramotor, but I took my first flight out of that field a few years ago. That town and neighborhood is growing a bunch!
i just build one. and i will never go back to gasoline. thanks for the review of the fantastic SP140
May I ask what the end total was to build one? And by build is it more modular or a full on garage necessary for building?
Right on!
@@mythoti Ever find any elaboration?
@@sandiago7564 i didnt get any notifications! sorry guys. total costs were around 5000$. but you cant calculate like that. i am currently working on 4 different protoypes. each is very different in performance, flight time, weight and price. i think the best unit i am working on is a step down for power from the SP140 because 99%% of all pilots i know here said its massively overpowered and way too much for them. they can take off with 40% throttle and even thats alot. my goal is a lightweight version with modular battery slots. wanna fly around 30 min but have it extreme light around 18kg take off weight for the whole unit? or wanna fly longer around 70 to 80 min with 29kg total weight? or wanna fly 2 hours plus for cross country? all possible right now. we planned to test a week ago but weather sucks so we gotta wait until spring. just finished lots of new features in the display. altitude, face plant protection, motor temperature gauge with overheating protection blablabla. is all coming! if you need parts let me know.
@@mythoti sorry i didnt get notified. thanks youtube... i am working on a modular version as well which should fit on most normal PPG frames. less power and flight time. but everything integrated. engine, gastank off. 4 bolts on, charge it up and ready to fly. also read my answer i just send
After 18 minutes you only had 55% battery life. Thats pretty short flight time. Kinda like a Tesla. Great for short trips but not flights over 40 minutes. I often fly at full throttle to get high. Based on that battery drain that’d be less than a half hour flight.
Where was this Flight Conducted?
Colorado
I love this! but like the man said, 30-45min flight time just isn't enough to justify the price. I say they need to get to 5-7kWh of battery pack to make them really come alive in the markets.
Hopefully battery tech can be improved!
@@KHos73 Amprius silicon anode batteries are the batteries we've been waiting for! exicted to find out when OpenPPG will make packs using these new improved batteries!? 6 minutes to 80% charge times, for instance!!
I can fly 30mn on a 2.7Kwh battery at sea level. We have quite a fair number of pilots around here. Most of them use two stroke motors but they are beginning to eyeball the SP140 as the numbers are growing. The average cruising time for the locals is 20 to 40mn before landing, spending a bit of time on the ground with buddies and taking another flight. More pilots are turning electric here. My charging time after a flight is less than an hour. We even have two car electric charging stations on the parking lot if desperate. It is a bit slow because it is free and with a two hour limit, but hey, what do you want for nothing?!😄Plus you can unplug and re-plug the battery immediately after two hours if not in a hurry😆. Amazon sells an adapter for the PPG battery cable to the charging station cable plug. The machine in this video above was an older version. The 2024 version is out now and had a ton of updates. There is also an App one can use to modify settings from your phone if you wish to,... different power modes, etc... I am not representing OpenPPG but have been flying them from start about four years and so far it has been a great experience. Easy does it flying with friends is all I want. The motor is powerful and virtually maintenance free. The battery safe if you take care of it. BMS and each cell also has its own safety feature. I can also do ridge soaring free-flying motor off and bridge the gaps on the ridge where low and paragliders can't fly because too wide a distance to bridge. I had over one hour flights and landed with the battery nearly full since it only takes about fifteen seconds to reach the lift band before turning the motor off. Really quiet at cruising speeds for sure. I understand the resistance to change by gas powered pilots but it is only a matter of time before battery capacity gets better with safer chemistry and lower prices the way things are going these days. If the conditions are really great for the day, I will grab two half hour batteries but most of the time only one will fit the bill. I fly a few times a week weather depending. kzhead.info/sun/p5ptpLacr56hm4k/bejne.html kzhead.info/sun/lLmYk82xn3ucfZ8/bejne.html Cheers!
Hey guys do you know whether any tandem electric paramotors exist?
Not sure if one is coming yet
With my 26 square meter wing, I should get close to 1 hour in the air. And the battery can only get better in the conning years...Li-Ion is old technology! By 2027 we should have Li-Sulfur batteries. 300Wh/Kg versus 600Wh/Kg #BigDifference
That’s great to hear
@@SirDrifto new batteries from Amprius, are silicon anode @ 500Wh/Kg !!!
I watched these grow from version one. I almost brought one. I'm holding out until either I can literally swap a "bolt-on " batt/motor unit onto my macfly or the batteries get more refined where you can discharge some how. What if you end up not flying now you got a full battery to deal with.
If anyone in Australia has purchased or tried this, can they give us the AUD price and seller information?Tnks
Weird & very cool....
We've got a few guys with OpenPPG electric units here in the Bay. The reviews are mixed. Originally I wanted one but in hindsight I am glad I didn't. Cons weve seen. 1) Very long delivery times.. up to a year for one guy. 2) Very delicate frame. To compensate for the heavy battery pack they made the frame just a bit too delicate for every day knocks and bumps. Definitely not for newbies, ive seen too many frames wrecked. 3) The weight of a gas engine unit gets lighter as you fly so comparing it to a full tank of fuel gas engine isnt necessarily accurate. 4) Almost everyone agrees the throttle is too sensitive, this should be an easy fix though with just reprogramming the chip. 5) Not as quiet as you would think. While its quieter than a ICE engine its still got an annoying high pitched sound which would spook animals / annoy people just as much. 6) Not as reliable as believed. We've seen overheating issues melt the entire battery pack as well as other little issues. 7) Too short duration.. everyone I know is waiting til they gave a real life 1.5hr time frame. 8) Too long recharge time. Pros: 1) Quieter, instant off and on for gliding down in peace. 2)Tons of power. 3) No fuel fumes, can be stored inside a apartment or even better a travel van. Ultimately everyone agrees we will all be on one eventually however we are thinking its 10yrs away for the battery density to get to a good enough level and even then it really needs to be significantly better to make the switch. Wish them all the best.
Hate to say this but I know lithium batteries and this is a disaster waiting to happen at 1000 feet when the battery decides to explode into hot torching flames on your back... not a great position to be in when it does and will happen.
yeah its not like having a tank full of imflamable gas below you that couldnt happend...
Gas never ignites 😂🤷♂️
Lithium ion cells are pretty reliable and stable, especially if they are sourced from the top 5 manufacturers. The trouble is more down to the fact the general public understands engines better than they do batteries. As long as the BMS is properly monitoring and reporting the voltage and internal resistance it is very safe.
Maybe Hybrid if possible would be a good idea..... have a small inbuilt electric to help aid rescue incase the petrol motor went out
Good idea!
Well would of loved to see you review but you let to many commercials in not watching
I don't think the creator has any control over the commercials. I have KZhead Premium so I don't evr have to deal with the interruptions.
Learn to build your own battery! I did, and you can make 2500 dollar battery for about 500
If you had two or three battery packs for a few flights it would be ok but how much would that cost???? Shouldn’t be that much because they are probably made from 18650 batteries. Then again, people are charging $18 for a $2 hamburger….
The down side is the probability of fire is higher. Fabrics burn like crazy and adding airspeed makes it worse. A real nightmare if you burn out a speed controller or something and have a short circuit battery. I have seen plenty of such troubles while messing with high discharge lipo hauling large RC gliders aloft for soaring.
That is a valid point
As practical as EVs.
These are great if you don't travel with your motor. To take an electric motor on a road trip would be a complete pain in the ass.
Just dont fly over Israel these days with this thing...
I know a guy who lost his house few months ago because of his electric paramotror got fire at night... to me this is still a dead end. With my two strokes I can fly for aprox 4h. Nothing electric can beat that.
What brand motor was it?
@@philsgreenice Tbh, I have no idea. There was a crowd funding for purchasing a new PPG (this time not electric) on our Polish PPG google group. As I know the reason of fire was a long term storage of the battery (for the winter). Quote (google translated) from the forum: "On behalf of myself and my friend Tomek, I would like to thank the Polish paragliding company PowAir (Dudek Paragliders) for their empathy and consideration of the situation Tomek found himself in when he lost all his PPG equipment in a fire in his house, i.e. a wing, a drive, a helmet, a radio, a rescue parachute and even documents from permissions. The remaining losses are much greater, so I decided, as a representative of PowAir, to ask the company for help in rebuilding new paragliding equipment for Tomek. We received help from PowAir, for which we thank you again!!! Our friend Tomek will want to buy a new drive (probably not an electric one), so if a Polish manufacturer takes care of Tomek's situation, we will all be grateful and we will also thank him in the paragliding media. By the way, I would like to advise the owners of "electric PPG" (the fire was caused by the battery in the drive) to dismantle the batteries during the "non-season" period and place them in a case made of asbestos blanket, which, as my friend suggested, can be purchased in model stores (more knowledgeable in this matter lease give me some tips so that EVERYONE! owners of electric PPG can protect themselves) Thank you once again for your support and I will introduce myself at the end so that any sponsors can contact me about helping to rebuild Tomek's equipment."
Jeremy is a good dude! Always enjoy geeking out over paramotors with him haha 🪂
He sure is!
How much is?
I just paid $7000.US for mine. Delivered yesterday!
worst fear this battery going off strapped to your back while you are in the air.
What about instead of having to wait for the battery to recharge, ya could change the batteries over so one is charging whilst ya in the air ?! ......like ya would with a Drone for example! 🫶🫡