John Deere 9630 axle bearing failure.
2021 ж. 21 Қар.
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Customer noticed a hydraulic oil leak on the front axle of his John Deere 9630 tractor. After checking the axle bearing end play, I knew this axle was coming out! #johndeere #johndeeretractor #johndeeretractorpower #Johndeere9630
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Well, for anyone wondering why the labour bill is so much higher than the parts bill there's your explanation right there. Knowledge is hard earned and worth every penny.
No matter the industry customers dont understand. This ain't a charity we work to make money. We want to have a house, a truck, a family, take a vacation every once in a while. Also some health care would be nice. These things cost a lot of money.
Ikr
It's like the repair of a motorized heater flap in my old Lincoln Town Car, The Money Sewer. $30 part, but $700 to completely remove and replace the dash assembly to get to it. After a long and bloody fight, FORD warranted it. My wife loved that car, wouldn't let me get rid of it. She got mad when I danced after a truck hit the front tire/fender and it was totaled. I couldn't fault the mechanic's prices. It took a lot of time to futz with the dash, but only about 5 mins to replace the part.
It's not really the bill's fault, but take into account that many dealers or repair shops sometimes if not often, have poorly trained personnel which most of the time trains on your machinery while you pay repair hours, not to mention in the field or in farm experiences with the dealer, when you pay for the hourly x2 because they send 2 individuals, plus their transport, and it takes a full day to diagnose, and after some few hundred bucks, it was a cable, or a fuse... At least that's what happens in Eastern Europe.
The money isnt for knowledge or labor, its for the heavy machinery to use brute force for disassembly/reassembly. Other than that, a pretty routine diagnosis.
55 minutes of pure excellence in knowledge and attention to detail! Loved every minute. Thank you for filming this!
except for the part where he said heating the race with a weld shrunk it
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I'm not a mechanic and I've never farmed a day in my life but this was amazing vid. Great to see the detailed repair process. Thanks for the upload!
Been doing repairs on cars for over 4 decades and never did the finer details like using the lead balls to get shim measurements, even though I should have a few times. I got the utmost respect for your attention to details and measurements. You all are a credit to the craft and have me revisiting how I do work from now on.
Has you ever rebuilt a Dana Spicer 44, 60 or 70 rear axle or front axle? Remember when you are removing or adding shims to the differential side bearings or the pinion bearings? The lead balls allowed him to do it in one try, not 6 or 15! Hello from north east Montana. 10 miles from the Canadian border.
@@darrelfuhrman8217 I literally had no idea what a Dana Spicer was until I googled it. 😅 Never done any work on anything tractor, just a couple a lorries back in the day and cars plus light commercial since. Hello from London England
That's how you get the title Master Tech
Minima cura si maxima vis. Cheers from Vancouver Island
Great Job Zeth. Thank you for taking the time to walk us through step by step. Keep it up.
Zeth: What a marvelous video ! Your speech is about the right speed to convey technical info, no "UMMMS" or "AHHS" & you maintain an even audio level all the time. Your explanations, & your technique for executing this repair are second to none. I am not a mechanic, but I live in southern Alberta farming country & troubleshoot electrical & electronic problems for the locals. At 81 years of age, even if I was inclined to to jobs like you do, couldn't. I am always interested in watching folks who are experts with heavy equipment fixing the problem at hand, & I ALWAYS learn something. Thank you for an excellent & informative video.
Thank you so much!
One ahhh, at the end. lol
I couldn't agree more! Just found the channel, and what striked me first, was his voice, clarity of his words, and the tone in which he speaks. It's a pleasure listening to him, an extra bonus on top of the first class mechanical skills and knowledge he shares.
Wow! We had this done on our 9630. You did an amazing job. Well done, I wish you were close by, this is what a farmer loves to see in a master tech. I never thought it was this involved and so many special tools needed.
Customers who bring their tractors to you surly get some of the most excellent quality work i have ever seen. Amazing checks on all the specs such attention to detail. GO ZK GO!!!!
The difference between going back to that shop no matter how much they charge for a job well done you dont have to worry about for another ten years and the shop that is cheap and bring your machine in every 2 years for the same job. Offcourse, you never know if the price is worth it before you brought anything anywhere for a repair, but experience goes both ways and is priceless.
Don’t call him Shirley
@@picklerix6162 subtle Airplane reference? :D
Checking specs at 600 ft lbs to seat them bearings?
Been a auto mechanic for 12 years and I've never seen a repair like this before, so awesome to see! Keep up the awesome work and great videos!! Much love! 😄
Thanks!
Back in the day, I use to work at my father's shop. He was a Ford agricultural tractors mechanic, later on change to new holland, watching you guys, bring me great memories.
I am definitely no mechanic but I am firm believer in housekeeping. The way your shop looks will definitely reflect on your work. The shop is by far the cleanest I have seen.
These men have an amazing set of skills and knowledge, and, not a line of Software code needed ! It was a joy to observe you diagnose and repair this item.
I just found this channel, and I’m very happy I did. Great job showing what goes into doing the job the right way. One thing about welding bearing races to shrink them out. I do it often but once I had a very heavy duty race that I had just pounded out. I set it on the bench and a few minutes later it exploded! Now I wear a face shield and am careful when doing that so I don’t get shrapnel imbedded in my body. The hardened races don’t like the weld stress too much. I hope this helps some people avoid injury. Also with that collar and inner race you had to fight with that big puller and heat. I would just take a cutoff wheel and cut 1 groove into it at 12:00 and get pretty close to the shaft but don’t hit the shaft. Then just give it one good hit with a hammer and chisel in the slot and it will crack it open and you can just tap it off the shaft. No puller or torch needed. Keep up the great work!
The groove trick is real nice for the bigger bearings, saves a LOT of acetylene and O2. It can get tricky to split open the smaller ones without cutting deep enough to get the shaft sometimes.
@@Tom89194 That's a job for a Dremel.
This guy is a real pro! Not only excellent at what he does mechanical wise, but awesome at explaining it all to me/us. Subscribed.
Welcome to the channel!
@@ZKMasterTech what was the tab?....5k?
I grew up on a farm in Louisiana. We worked with and maintained mostly Massy Fergs (Cat engines). I remember being awed by how good my Papa was with this stuff. Now I'm looking at an entire new generation of badasses. You guys made my day!
This looks like such a difficult task. I’m sure it must feel amazing once you complete the job. Great videos!
You know Zeth, I watched this episode a second time and I have to say. A special thanks goes to your dealership also, allowing you to take the time to film and explain in detail your days task. Take care Bud and have a blessed Thanksgiving.
i watched this episode a second time also....
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Not sure how I came accesses this, but wow! Very interesting the amount of calibration that goes into a couple bearings… Great video and explanation as well, very detailed🤙🏽
You can tell this guy is a veteran mechanic by the wide variety of hammers he has.
Wow, that was impressive. Had no idea bearings could be such a pain to install. Thanks for a great and interesting video.
Customer made a good decision of doing both at the same time. Another exceptional video, great detail step by step explanation on procedures of replacement of bearings torque specifications. Keep the action coming. Definitely catchya at the next one. Stay safe!!
Gentlemen, You are true professional and I love watching your repairs. Fantastic!
You guys done a great job, and also very good thinking on the farmer for not ignoring the oil leak by just replacing the outer seal. A bad bearing like that if left any longer can do a lot of damage to the rest of the parts in the axle.
You have to be the most intelligent and skilled technician I have ever come across, your knowledge is second to none. I have watched a few of your videos now and to say you impress me is an understatement. I hope you are very well rewarded and wish you well in the future.
So nice of you
Shows the importance of dealer support and techs who do quality work. Thanks.
It does in fact show quality of work from the techs but it also shows that deere has a high fail rate on various machines.
@@mikezahnow1605 I don't know how you can say that when we don't know the hours or the history of the machines in question. All mechanical things wear out or even break, normally from mis-use or poor maintenance schedule, and is not specific to any one manufacturer. Farming machinery works hard and often with big hours on them. Not to mention the fact that they often have unsympathetic hired hands driving them. Thanks for giving us look inside Zeth. Love your work.
@@shovelguggelheim8454 who is we? How i can say that is personal experience.
@@shovelguggelheim8454 This axle bearing is a known common problem on the 30 series Deere 4 wd. Check out agtalk or other forums online.
@@shovelguggelheim8454 Yeah, these tractors suck.
When people think that mechanics just "slap" a set of new bearings in a machine , I'll gladly refer them to this video . Keep up the good work !
They'll still tell you they've got a mate that can do it cheaper and quicker 😂
Great instructional video. One can't truly appreciate the care involved here until you think of the weight and size of the pieces he's working with and the precision that is required to achieve the required preload. The old manuals suggested using a torque multiplier to get the necessary torque values.
Great videos, I’m telling all my fellow farmers about your channel. Some of the most informative I’ve ever seen. Keep up the good work, and thanks.
Good video, helps us understand what goes into these jobs and why it just doesn’t take a couple of hours to do them properly.
I am genuinely impressed with your skills. Learned a few things too!!!
I just found this channel - suggested by someone - and its interesting to see how you work on these large machines. Not what I was expecting - not that I had a set point made up - but I look forward to seeing more of these.
I really enjoyed the video. You know what you do and it shows in your work. I worked for a John Deere dealership in germany 20 years ago. The biggest tractors we serviced where 8000s. There was a rumor back then that two 9000 series tractors exist in germany. Removing and installing bearing races is such a satisfiying work to me! Also this work, while heavy is also delicate. One tipping over shaft and the toes are alot flatter. Also from my understanding your are well equipped. So that you can focus on the work and not have to fight the lack of equipment much. I would appreciate the huge workshop you have there, because it gives all the space needed to do such work. But you always get the noice, smoke, dirt and dust from the other guys also, I asume. And also I like all the self built gear that you have around. It was the same where I worked. We borrowed special tools from Deere and the old timers copied it, so that we would save like 13,000 €. And we had like self built wrench extensions around which where forged by the old timers, back then when there was still time for that. And thoose wrench extensions where so tough and well made, they never failed. Regardless of how much load you put on them.
I've been around auto shops, this gentleman's skills are on a whole nother level!
Yes because all of the electronics
That sure is some massive equipment to work on ! Great watch. Enjoyed that. Thanks for uploading
Calm, cool, professional, and patient. Impressive work.
Your a Legend 🍺🍺👍👍💚 At the top of your game. I'm retired at 70, worked 47 years as master technician at German car dealerships. Work safe, avoid injury👍👍💚
Really enjoyed your repair video. Learned quite a bit about tractor bearing replacement. Never knew the fit is so precision that they need a thermal application to expand enough to fit the axle. Awesome job!
I am just a dumb finance guy. I love watching this stuff and I appreciate your skills.
This single video showcased some of the best tried and true tips & tricks I’ve ever seen on KZhead! If that wasn’t enough there were some new ones I never considered to use. Appreciate you taking the time to share these solutions to the community! Rock On . . . 👍🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
Thanks!
Viewed 11-22-21 from Fairview, Illinois Hi Zeth I worked for Massey Ferguson Inc field engineering for 32 years. Regardless the color of the paint, you must be on top of your profession having received the BEST FACTORY training necessary to perform the quality of work you presented. With the cost of this tractor, a grease monkey has no place working in your shop. QUALITY WORKMANSHIP RULES. I subscribed to your channel. I am retired reminds me the days when I was working, keep up the good work and attend all training when come available :-)))
Thank you very much!
Zeth, Master Tech, perhaps not a good enough description of your skills. Just watched the video showing the work on the front axle. No software, no electronics, no laptop. Heavy lifting, special tools, working to tight manufacturing tolerance. Understanding heat and cold treatment of steels. Having to be careful with hot oil, hot bearings, being aware of the guy helping you. Carefully replacing bearings and rebuilding the housing to Deere's specifications. Welding, another skill needed. No wonder the customer would want to do the other side as well. If he watches the video he will see he made the right call. Yes it is more service work for the dealership, but also knowing that the tractor is repaired properly, will be good to go for the customer for a very long time. The previous video was the 8RX, all laptop, code, cables, adapters, software, old software, updates and improvements. From a blacksmith to a magician. So, Grand Master ? Great Master ? Deere Master ? Complete Master. Green Iron Pro might just do it. Thanks for the videos, a Master Class.
Thank you very much! I got a kick out of your comment/compliment. That made my day!
@@ZKMasterTech Glad you see it as I did. Maybe I should add to get to be a Blacksmith takes time and skill. They were the technicians of a 170 years ago, just like John Deere. Very best regards.
Have to agree this young man is exceptional!
just a normal mechanik work dude...
As a non-farmer or tractor mechanic, I was totally amazed at what was involved in getting this repair job ✅ done !! I have a much deeper respect for these Mechanic's who did this job. Fantastic guys !!
I know nothing when it comes to this type of machinery but I watched every minute of it...great stuff!
Without guys like you, the farming industry would be dead in it's tracks.
Outstanding video, I was a field millwright for over 45 yrs. People sometimes don’t understand all the experience and knowledge working people use to do there daily job. Thanks.
Only trade that comes to work filthy from last shutdown.
Zeth is a cool guy with a lovely temperament for this type of work ... never appears to get flustered . All hotheads out there take note !
Mr. Master Tech I really like watching your videos, I am amazed that this equipment runs at all (so many moving parts) , and in a harsh environment(dirt). It must just be a constant battle to keep this equipment running, with wear and tear. Plus fighting engineering and design issues. It just must cost a small fortune to keep these things running. Thank you, and please keep the videos coming.
Amazing work, you are great is an understatement. That farmer is lucky to have you work on his tractor.
Most people don't realize just what mechanics do, let alone what tools are required. A Doctor works on 2 models, we work on many and are expected to be experts on them. This is a great vid, and shows all facets....the expertise, the mistakes and the non-shade tree mechanic tools required. If we do our job right, usually you won't be able to tell from an external observation. But that's us...like heart surgeons, but without leaving a scar. Another great vid from ZK!
But a doctor has to work with the motor running.
But not on the motor most of the time...@@user-lr3cg2mf4h
Great video Zeth. Love watching you guys fix the big boys toys, even when things don’t go to plan!!! Good idea changing rest of bearing as you’re already got it apart 😁
This is the first video of yours I have watched. As a master Ford Lincoln, and mercury technician I like when I saw. This video shows the reality that not all repairs are straightforward. Ingenuity and compromise are also OK. I look forward to watching the next video. Good job with the presentation.
These two guys are excellent mechanics. They are very knowledgeable, patient and work well together. It's refreshing to see that they are very professional as indicated by there use of high quality, professional tools.
Outstanding in every respect; professionalism, workmanship, skill level at the highest possible and attention to detail. One point on torqueing, we were taught in the USAF that you should only click the torque wrench one time, each additional click actually changes the torque value (I realize at 670 ft lbs a few more lbs probably makes no difference but in another case maybe would be crucial). Best repair video I've seen on a big Green machine, well done!
USAF C-130 crew chief@@ritchiesokol1061
1980 - 1984
This is what you call a real technician he diagnoses the problem doesn’t cut no corners doesn’t throw parts at it uses a torque wrench on every bolt
I agree Charles... though technically he misspoke in calling the wear "end-play" whilst checking with the dial test indicator.. 🤫🤭 I'm quite shocked at the wear profile on that taper roller that caused all the trouble.. unless the preload came off it, they are usually quite bulletproof... I'm assuming its an OEM quality bearing of course... 🤔
Deere calls that measurement in the book “end play check”. Yes I know it's not technically end okay but I was just going verbatim directly from service advisor.
thanks for the video I learn a lot from your work techniques I'm studying to become an agricultural mechanic and watching you work helps me build my confidence.
young man you are an excellent mechanic.having worded 35 years in manufacturing im impressed by your quality of work .bravo
Fascinating how you set torque on the axle bearings.
Great job Zeth, your complete explanation and attention to detail is exactly why you are a Master tech. Keep the great content coming. You definitely deserve every penny you make.
Really amazing to watch you guys work on that axle. Thank you for the video.
Just came around randomly and have to say, i really enjoy your content! Nice produced, high quality and seems like professionel working! please continue like this, ill sub 👌🏾
Opět precizní provedení servisního zásahu. Moc šikovný človíček. God bless.
Yup, the volume equalization on this video is perfect. Amazing how just one bearing can cause so much carnage... wow.
I love your logic in how you approach problems, you don't just keep hammering when clearly it needs another approach.
Phenomenal Job on some big a** gear. Well done! Most appreciated how well you documented and shared this heavy repair.
26:00 That was the right tool to fix that ring and also add two handles two side of the cylindrical hammer to ease your hammering force. keep up the good work. And for cooling the ring liquid nitrogen is the best cooling agent for shrinking the inner ring. thank you for video and detail info
agreed, then they dont bother using it (or something like it) to do the actual bearings ?! Whats this tapping it with punches bs? If they didn't seat themself, hitting it on one point, with a punch aint gonna do anything
@@mtraven23 Exactly. I press on bearings because pounding them on with a hammer and punch is generally just a bad idea.
Back in the late 70s I worked for my Dad at a John Deere implement shop as a mechanic. We used the same techniques back then welding a bead in the racer, heating the bearings using a rice cooker , and we used lead ball to it find how much shims were needed. It seem lot we did a lot of bearing jobs when farmers were water leveling the rice fields.
You guys ROCK. You guys are professionals. Just an amazing experience. Thanks.
Wow! Fantastic!! Thanks for all the experience you have shown your audience.
That was absolutely fascinating. No need to watch anything out of Hollywood when there is quality videos like this to watch.
Wow thank you!
first time viewer, new sub. really cool video. love all the mechanical. the guy helping you looks like he's doing a great job. i was a long time auto tech. one of the ways i have seen to shrink surfaces mostly for install is unregulated co2, it gets really cold really fast. a close quarter containment was used (cardboard box). seemed really powerful and useful in the right situation. recently i have been exposed to a product call RINHO DIRT. oily messes can be cleaned up with a broom and dustpan and then thrown in the trash without worry (non-leaching). and the floor is not left oily residue.
Fascinating. I'm a woodworker, so this is all new to me. But very interesting how it all works. Thanks for the content!
I admire your patience for the guys that help you
Waw ! what a master technician, it"s amazing how delicate he handles the intricate internals of such a vast machine and overcomes problems that would have me taking a pack of TNT to the whole lot 😂 I wouldn't mind betting that he repairs watches in his spare time. Thanks for inviting me into your world of heavy mechanics I loved every minute of it, Greeting from across the pond
Wow! Talk about a heavy job!!! That drive train is incredibly complicated! Definitely a job for a professional. Thank you for all the extra work showing what you do and special thanks to your employer for allowing you to take the extra time!!! Definitely not my grandfather's Farmall Super H!
Hey man. I’m 100% sure you made it better than in the original condition. Thank you very much for sharing. Excellence in action.
First time watching your channel, but had me hooked from the beginning, really enjoyed watching.
Wow! Had no idea how much work, time and people went into something like this. Thanks.
Just found your channel! Great content. Keep up the great work
Great job! Love your shop and your specialized fixtures and tools.
If I recall the lead ball technique came in somewhere around the 50 series. The old 4020 and 4430 would just be a torque to about 75 ft/lb and lock plate. After the lead ball procedure, we did all with the shim pack just the way you did this one. Nice work. Tip- our grocery store has dry ice, I have used it to aid in thermo shrink when needed. (4850 pto fix…..book says double split…..with dry ice on the back race removal, you can eliminate the 2nd split)
The lead ball technique came into play because the 30 series had all kinds of trouble with axle bearings. Also the brass "thrust" washer is a joke. We never put them in because they always destroyed themselves and introduced end play. We never had trouble after getting rid of them. I've done many hundreds of axle rebuilds and they aren't difficult if you have the lifting equipment.
I have used the dry ice trick to get new items onto shafts, it makes life much easier. especially gears pressed onto shafts.
@@sootlicker %#
Very cool, brought back memories of working on large logging equipment and large industrial engines up to 15K bhp (15" Bore, 21" Stroke, 20Cyl) Diesel engines. Thanks very much for sharing. I truly appreciated your attention to details.
You're helper is something special, let me tell you. The look on his face trying to figure out which way to put the crow bar was a hoot.
I am something special thank you
Can you do the job better
@@anthonybernstein9698 Absolutely.
That Was Amazing To Watch You Guys doing the Front Axle Bearings, I Used For John Deere 12 Years I Did in England. But I Had Cancer and That Was The End of Agricultural Service Technician Career, I Really Hope To Get Back To It Sometime.
I liked that professional job you did there . the special tools you have are essential with that weight . that was a very tight fit for the bearings and seal ring , hard to do without damaging new parts , the key is not trying to rush the job .
I would have wiped that dolly after he dropped it though..grit is everywhere
Y’all did a great job on that repair. Bearings and retainers can be a pain sometimes. Good skill set and thinking on how to get the job done. Keep up the good work.
BIG shout out to these guys and farmers everywhere ! They keep the equipment working, for the farmers who feed us all ! Thank you! Super smart customer, if the axle is already out...YUP replace all the bearings and seals!
You guys are real pros, with some smart tool fabrication in the mix.
Isso é impressionante ... Parabéns pelo profissionalismo e maquinário assim como as ferramentas!!!!
You could get a bearing induction heater, maybe in works like this you could save time, make less mess than use hot oil and being more accurete with temperature. Also, you could measure the spacer and the shaft so you could calculate the temperature you need expand enough to create a clearance fit. instead, for bearings is better to not exceed 230°F. Very good video, you are a Mastertech!
Mr. Master Tech it amaze me how you work and what you get done. Brilliant
Epic work guys. That interference fitting can be a pain even with smaller stuff but the frustration definitely scales up! Well done.
Great job Zach. I've owned and operated Deere equipment most of my adult life. Nice to observe a professional master technician at his best. We have the pleasure of working with our local master tech Allen Brown with Quality Equipment.
Well done on the front axle repair,you know all the tricks,and all done with basic items.
Love your videos , please keep them coming!
In a JD dealership in late 80’s. The 5020, 8630 were just torqued to 10? foot pounds, then the triangle lock plate was installed. On the 5020 I did, the bolt was loose & backed out enough that the lock plate was between the heavy washer & the bolt. I unscrewed the bolt by hand. Being in north east Montana in the winter, we put the axle in unheated storage, Technical Assistance told us to heat the oil to 400°f, we had to tear apart shotgun shells to get our lead balls, because JD did not have a part number for them yet. Part of the directions that we got from JD technical assistance were hand written. After every step we had to call technical assistance to see what to do next. They would tell us, then send a fax repeating the directions. By the time that I did the 8630, we had a 3 ring binder service manual along with the paperwork from the 5020. When we ordered the shim kit for the 8630, it included 8 lead balls. We had to rotate 20 revolutions in each direction after each torque stage. We use someone’s 10 foot satellite dish base to hold the axle on the 8630. On the 5020 we mounted the tire on the axle as a stand. The procedure is basically the same way today. We had to tighten the bolt till we had about 50 to 75 foot pounds rotating torque, that was to get the bearings seated or your zero end play. We only used the dial indicator to verify that our end play was in the new JD specs. Hello from north east Montana. 10 miles from the Canadian border.
You probably looked up parts on the JD microfiche? I worked as a tech in the mid-late 90's and we were transitioning from microfiche to JD Vision parts information.
@@therealRustyShackleford Microfiche, but a real parts book gave a better picture, and more importantly, was not scratched! Hello from north east Montana. 10 miles from the Canadian border.
@@darrelfuhrman8217 Know Tony Fast?
@@oldad6207 I know who he is, I have never met him in person, his farm is about 30 air miles from the farm that I work on. Some of the neighbors got the hopper bin bottoms when he was making them. The Welker’s Versatile 1156 that they bought to get the Cummins KTA to put in the Big Bud came from 6 miles west of the farm. Hello from north east Montana. 10 miles from the Canadian border. Opheim.
That was very enjoyable to watch. One must be so careful on such a heavy piece. Amazing the precision. Great Job!
Tolerances of a fine watch, weight of two elephants, luv it.
You are a fantastic tradesman We need guys like you here in South Africa 👌👌
Nothing beats go old American ingenuity. Outstanding you guys.
Informative and engaging! While the only farming I will ever do is in a video game, I still love to watch work being so excellently done on these big tractors. Remember kids, if your fluids look like glitter, it's probably buggered.
Nice job dude. I like this longer video. Every step you take is methodical and organized. I really like your approach. I said it before you John Deere guys working on this bigger equipment are no joke you make it look easy.
Thank you very much! You've got to be methodical so you don't take one step forward and then ten steps back. Time is money.