2025 Toyota Camry: Basic need not be terrible & boring
MotoMan has a surprising experience behind the wheel of the heavily revised for 2025 @toyotausa Camry: It’s shockingly good - but not in the ways one would expect. How? In reinventing the @TOYOTAglobal Camry, Toyota has blown a hole in ‘the average price for a new car nowadays is $50,000’ logic . . .
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ECVT and not CVT
Doesn't matter . . . the impact to the real world drivability is the same. As stated in the episode, it takes away from an other good delivery of power.
Toyota eCVT is not your normal belt driven cvt
@@MotoManTV agreed the eCVT differentiation doesn't apply here as it is in fact still a continuously variable transmission and it drives as such. Doesn't matter if it's more reliable than a regular cvt or that it has planetary gears instead of belts and cones and pulleys.. It still drones and doesn't feel particularly engaging. You're not wrong.. buy hey it is the best application for fuel economy and its a hybrid so it's a no brainer.
@@MotoManTVsounds like you have no idea how an eCVT transmission works
I have not owned a CVT, but when I drive my dad‘s 09 Camry, I really don’t find it to be bad at all. It’s been reliable and it’s not lacking power. It accelerates and merge well. I mean, it doesn’t sound the same as a 6 speed automatic, but whatever
Whether you like this car or not, the truth of the matter is that this car gets great mileage, is known to be reliable, has great features that are standard and rides well for a midsize car and starts at well below then most new vehicles out there now. Because of this, it doesn't matter if there are haters of Toyota or Toyota hybrid, they make the best hybrid and they are reliable and they will sell like hotcakes.
I like how your shirt matches the interior. 😎 Toyota Camry. It's perfectly fine as it is. Been getting ppl from A to B and back again over and over, reliably for decades. That's why the masses buy these, including me. I don't want more car, I want less, but at this size. I'd rather invest any extra money as opposed to spend it on a tech pkg or bigger engine.
We need wagons to come back. Suv's are essentially lifted wagons so making a wagon version of Camry offers the same practicality just closer to the ground with a lower C of G. The trunks on sedans are just not practical enough now.
While I am of the same opinion, Americans are overwhelmingly getting fatter and receiving leg problems and SUV/CUV's higher seat height is more comfortable. That's what also cops say about Ford Explorer vs old Crown Vics.
I've been asking for a true Camry wagon for 10 years. I'm around 200lbs and have no issues with seat height. Surprisingly Toyota doesn't listen to comment sections. lol
I've never had issues with sedan trunk capacity, and now that the salt is off the road I regularly use my Miata as a runabout. Fit a cooler, 2 folding chairs, towels, and 2 travel bags in there last weekend, which is more than what most of the Escalades and CR-v's will load into their trunks at the grocery store this morning. I can count 2 times in the past 3 years where my Mazda3 hatchback was actually used to carry more than my 2nd gen Mazda3 sedan, and neither time was critical. (1) I bought a lawnmower and I did need the full opening with the seats folded down to fit the box inside (although if I took everything out of the box it would have fit in the sedan). (2) It saved me exactly 114 miles (one back and forth) when I moved from my last apartment to the new one (or I could have rented a truck and done it all in one go). The other 1094 days and 7.5 hours it's made no difference, except it being less efficient than the sedan. I know if I can help it I'll never pay extra for unused space, especially if it hurts driving dynamics. Once people start thinking with their wallet they might take a good look at all the empty space in their truck and realize where the savings are. I'm looking forward to loading up for a full memorial day weekend BBQ in a vehicle that cost half as much at purchase and at the pump as what other people think they need. And way more fun.
Another aspect of SUV purchase is the perceived crash safety arms race. I hate SUVs and pickup trucks as a common mode of transport. When they hit people, people's bodies don't go over the roof like a low hood car. Rather their bodies go under the wheel, risking more serious injury or death. The hoods are so high, you can only see the thirteenth kid sitting single file in front. But ask any common person, even me, I'd reply that I'd rather be inside a SUV than not.
@@FrankyRedEyes crown has wagon now
The lack or surplus of insulation is starting to become a normal thing in trim levels. There is a huge noise difference between the Select trim and the Premium trim in the Mazda3
Interesting. Is it like that in all the Mazda?
Toyota saves the extra insulation for the Lexus equivalent trims
Which Camry trims have double pane glass? From what I’ve researched, the upper trim levels of XLE and XSE are as quiet as a Lexus ES ?
The 2.5L hybrid will be a great option. Here in europe there´s only the option of the hybrid either in the camry or the rav4, and they are somehow perfect for a buyer who wants somewhat nice transportation and no worries in years to come. In fact, that´s incredibly appealing for a lot of people. That last comment about not getting in debt for a car.... spot on.
I have an eCVT and love it. My motor is basically a generator. I had to learn not to care what my motor is doing.
Further reaffirms what we knew all along. Manufacturers *can* build affordable, decent cars in 2024. Appreciate the deep-dive, MotoMan. Kudos to Toyota for cranking out an interesting product that has looks(subjective, I know), practicality, variety... and at a reasonable price point!
Believe it or not, GM through the Trax & Envista have proven there is a SUPER strong market for a good car, with a decent design at the right price. Folks are even willing to overlook power and drivability if they are getting value and an attractive carrying case.
I agree the interior dash trim is over styled. Overall though it’s everything one could want in a car at a fair price in 2024.
Is it worth getting the all wheel drive or is that adding complexity another battery etc and not a full-time AWD? Is it that faster or better performance with the AWD?
12:50 the type of vehicle you buy if you aren’t trying to compensate and signal to the world how sporty/ macho/ outdoorsy you are. You can still put a bike or ski rack on a Camry…
You may think this is a line of crap, but the ONLY people I know that own Camrys are self made millionaires. You would never know it from seeing how they live,
@@MotoManTV lol my parents are in that category and they loved their 07 Camry hybrid. Now they drive a Nero plug in hybrid. The Camry got great mileage driving 300km each way to their million dollar ski cabin every weekend. 🤣
I hate road noise. In this day and age, road noise shouldn't be an issue
This is the most honest review I've watched regarding this car.
Good point about road noise. OE make cars so quiet that they need flashing lights and cameras to make sure you haven't fallen asleep.
nice review! is it true that this 2025 Camry has a regular braking feel and not the spongy hybrid braking feel?
Some reviewer‘s are noting how much better the brake feel is on this new Camry
@@jonathanratliff4780 awesome!
didn't understand his view on the CVT "taking away the Drive-ability of this car that's meant to be used around town." seems like a vague statement
We currently have a 2023 Camry AWD XLE. Will most likely get the same trim again in 2026 when current Camry lease is over. We like bells and whistles, but don't need red leather seats.
It is not just an Atkinson cycle engine. When you put your foot down the variable cam's immediately switch off the Atkinson mode to provide more power. Also the injection immediately switches from port injection to direct injection. One will notice the engine then sounds very different and a lot more pleasant. Consider the support from the electric engines and the car has almost infinite driving modes. Very nice piece of technology. When driven at ease the infamous eCVT howl is not noticeable.
😊 My 2017 Pearl White xle camry I bought new now has 205k on it, runs and drives and looks like new still. Other THAN OIL CHANGES, 4 sets of tires , only front set of brake pads I put on last summer everything else is stock and untouched. It's amazing how it just keeps running smooth as silk. I prefer to drive this over my new 4 runner bulk of the time. Money well saved couldn't go wrong!!!!
Which gray color is metallic?
I like the car and its features. The whines from the reviewer are purely subjective for the most part. I've watched multiple videos on the '25 Camry and many of them really like the vent look on the passenger side. I've owned multiple Camrys. If I stay alive long enough, I may get another one. It's a toss-up right now to see if my car will outlive me. Good job, Toyota!
I love the vent look it’s the same way on the flagship Lexus LS very classy
You are 1,000% correct . . Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and my comments in this area are subjective but designed to make one see the logic of how they got there.
At 42k Top of the line camry vs base level es300h. Tough choice
I have the mid-level es300h, and it has lots of sound deadening features and a great stereo. It is definitely larger than the Camry. It has 2” longer wheelbase, but that’s all in the backseat.
@mgmcd1 would you recommend getting a 2024 ES or 2025 XLE loaded?
This Camry certainly is beautiful! The red seats I love, looks pretty luxurious. I am torn between this Camry XSE & the Lexus ES250. Which one would you recommend? Btw this Camry blows the new Honda Accord away, faster than the Accord also.
Will the Lexus ES be better now?
"the cheap skate that I am" lolol
It looks similar to a Prius, but if you look closely, it's different. I think it's a good design. The back seat is narrow. The 2.5-liter hybrid offers powerful driving and seems to have good fuel efficiency. It's not yet released in Japan, so I'm jealous of people in North America.
The red looks fast and pops on video. Most vehicles are all dark black hole interiors to hide cheap plastics. If you drop a black wallet on the floor good luck finding it at night because they dont have enough interior lights .
Of the current lineup of Japanese sedans today, this is the one I would want right now.
Epic shirt/seat combo…
What an insightful review. I really enjoyed this take on the Camry.
My pleasure!
I honestly preferred sonata's outfit than camry, but after i figured out camry is hybrid, definitely go for camey lol
The 26 RAV4 will probably be this vehicle with a lift and different rear section. I can’t wait.
1:50 George that is a stunning watch I love it. I don't want to know what it costs though its probably 100x more than I've ever spent on a watch.
Thank you! IWC Pilot 41 in Goodwood Green.
Camry is the segment champion by far. The Japanese top producers are the best (meaning reliability, low TCO, longevity~resale value etc.). After managing fleets of hundreds of cars fo decades, I replaced German, Korean, French, Italian vehicles etc. with top Japanese (Lexus, Toyota, Mazda, Suzuki, Subaru, Acura, Honda, Mitsubishi) cars.
I like the red interior. 👍
It was the Belle of the Ball at the event!
I’m gonna miss the sports sedan era of the Camry, but this looks more cohesive than most Camry’s have been, along with fitting with what Toyota commuters do best.
That hammerhead design works on the Prius but not on the Camry IMO.
The CVT is required to finesse the Atkinson cycle engine. An Otto cycle can just get under the gears and push you along, at the expense of fuel economy. The CVT gives the Atkinson cycle the chance catch up with throttle demand, while preserving fuel economy. It works very well.
if the ICE has 184hp and the EV is 134hp why is the total only 225hp? Would it not be the sum of its parts?
Toyota is poised to take number one spot in sales with this vehicle the over priced Pick UP Truck days are over! people want an affordable reliable car
I will take fabric any day over leather
Wonder what the TRD version will be like?
Likely a hybrid V6
TRD 🤣🤣🤣
Probably the I-force max turbo 4 with over 300hp😊
@@benbruno6656 - That would be awesome!
look at where the front fender meets the front door... why are these looking a bit misaligned in all these videos?
I remember when 40k could get you a nice luxury car
Me too!
I think one of the main issues I have with Toyotas exterior design philosophy is how they started merging Lexus and Toyota styling cues together. At a quick glance, this looks like a car wearing the new Lexus TXs grille, with the strong horizontal top element, and new look hourglass grille. The GX has the same issue - it looks like a Tundra, Tacoma, Toyota truck product, copying the under headlight vent and upside down U grille.
I absolutely hate being in the back of Japanese Uber cars. They’re so loud!!!
Thanks to the new Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, Hyundai and Kia are on a roll.
Agree, but MPG will suffer. I’d rather it suffer, but government mandates require them
Suffer how?
To all the first year buyers beta testing this for Toyota, good luck!
No good luck, this is already tested and proven.
The same 4 banger they have for decades
This is just a refresh of a 5 year old car. The new stuff isn't much Toyota hasn't done before that is proven.
At least have an eight speed for xse trim
If they bring out a version with the RAV4 Plug in system and with rear wheel steering, I will order it straight away.
Sounds wonderful, but they won't because there is a price point folks will say 'no' to a Camry.
@@MotoManTV They probably won't. But I did go for an EV6 GT where people keep saying it is too expensive for a Kia. At my age beyond 60, I more prefer a sleeper car. Yes, I am in the minority. Maybe they do it with an Lexus ES.
Toyota's CVT technology is actually pretty cool, cant wait to by one
You won't find any for $36k.
In 1992, my first real car was a Toyota Camry LE (L was the true base in 92). It was a very reliable car and felt luxurious and quiet for $22K. I will be buying an 2025 LE AWD with a few option packages for $32K. I rented a Crown XLE last month and averaged 48 mpg. The base XLE was $42K and was a very comfortable vehicle. This is the vehicle most people can actually afford.
$42,000 is not affordable. I have not received a raise in 5 years, but prices keep going up: housing, gas, food, $100,0000 Tesla isnot for middle clasd families. I am moving to Mexico
@@Lee-fr7hx I agree but I think the Crown is targeting a higher income customer. The $29K Camry is more than enough
Listening to that review makes me not want to buy the car
5:40
But it’s not cvt it’s ecvt it doesn’t work with chain I believe
Correcto mondo.
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Fabric is nice. If you aren't getting power ventilated leather, fabric is nicer than leather. I never understood why anyone thinks vinyl is nicer the fabric. There can be good fabrics. Granted, Toyota doesn't often use good fabrics. But my grandmother had a Volvo 850 while my dad had an 850 turbo and he always wished he could have her fabric seats vs the leather standard in the turbo.
So there is at least one other intelligent being out there. Thankyou.
Don't understand
I will be gladly pay $1500 for 7 more hp 😅😅😅
That’s with AWD
I'd be interested in what the take rate is on trim levels. I mean this car makes sense if you drive a lot and don't value car dynamics or transmission and feel. After that though, you can get better priced vehicles with more value and size for less. Toyota lives off customer loyalty and can because it is massive. But to me personally, its cars are stale, bland, and yes still overpriced for a basic car.
I never understood need for dynamics something that is not send power to rear wheels.
VERY good question. I asked the Product Manager at the event and she was pretty honest: Super low take rates for the XSE but they are thinking the mix will be mainly XLE and LE with a high percentage of AWD thrown in.
you don't really think IMO.🤔 How dare you put the almighty Toyota Camry in the same light as the Kia and the Honda....Camry by far without question leaves all the competition in the dust in every way. Do you research my Old friend.
😂 vaunted Toyota??? You really think of them as ELITE? You need to do your research as both KIA and Honda are equal in every way ......
@@Foregrlz you're dead wrong
@benrhoads6406 been in the game for a long time ......Toyota is reliable as is Honda and KIA has reached that level but doesn't have the years under their belt ....
This Camry at 42k actually looks downright luxurious! This blows the new Honda Accord away even on the Touring trim. Accord has no heated steering wheel, no panoramic sunroof, no 360 camera, & no SiriusXM satellite radio. Also this Camry is faster than the Accord. If I wanted to go for Accord, I would choose the one that had the 2.0 Turbo engine. 2024 Honda Accord has a nice looking dashboard though, but exterior doesn't look exciting. Only things I wish Camry had were memory seats, automatic rain sensing wipers, digital rearview mirror, & built-in Google Assistant & Alexa. But those aren't a dealbreaker for me.
@@Umarrcs1999 my 2019 GT2 AWD Stinger has all of the features you asked for .....at only a few pennies more!!
42000 for a Camry??!! At that price you are in Lexus es 350 territory. In fact, you can buy a two year old Certified Lexus ES 350 from high 30’s to low 40’s…Toyota has lost its mind….
Yeah the Camrys lower trims and options are more reasonable buy. This top trim at $42,000 is way too much. That’s without tax and all the other fees 😅
No. The money lost their value a lot, due to excessive printing and not being backed up by real assets such as gold. Toyota (Lexus included) is the pinnacle of reliability and low TCO, despite having a higher price than cheaper cars that are far away in reliability, longevity, TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) etc. I do not own a Toyota (I have Lexus, Mazda, Suzuki cars), but this is the truth, Toyota is a champion (this Camry included).
The so-called cheapskate just took delivery of a Porsche GT3.
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I cannot take the Japanese cars serously because of their CVT ! And instead of these complex hybrids with so many moving parts and electronics , why not go for simpler BEVs with lesser parts to worry about ? Why cant companies invest in battery tech, make them more energy dense, increase charging speed, that way we don't need large batteries and heavy cars
Old folks will love it! Great 80+ car for folks who still have their eyesight and reflexes. The problem is their kids are taking away their keys. Most manufacturers are discontinuing sedan production due to a rapidly declining market demand. 10-15 years ago this car would be awesome. It’s an suv world! Most folks would feel embarrassed or old driving this around which is too bad. 😢 Definitely beats the all new Accord. Excellent car review! ✅
Bullshit, hardly anyone would feel embarrassed in this.
@@NERDLYFE-es9ef Wrong. Unless you’re a senior citizen, it’s embarrassing. It’s a sedan in 2024! 🙈
@@billyrock8305 ok billy
@@NERDLYFE-es9ef 10-4 Nerd 🤓
Agree about the demographic on this car . . .
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Toyota Hybrid "coexistence" and "Diversity" 🥰
CVT…🐿️🎡Waaaaaaa….🤦🏻 14:03
What’s wrong with Aisin E-CVT?
You can get a new 330i for less than 42k.
*$45,495 MSRP with destination, for an entry level no option 330i. No decent color, No heated seats or steering wheel, no AWD, no wireless charging, no keyless entry, no lumbar support, no heads up display, no 360 camera or any driving aid system above what Toyota offers standard. And no manual transmission or sports suspension, so let's not pretend its even an enthusiast choice at the no option 330i level.
@@markcoopers1930Bring My Wallet is also less reliable than Toyota and has a triple TCO (Total Cost of Ownership). My Miata ND2 RF G-184 is a far, far better value than a 330i.
You can ask 13% off sticker for a new 330i and they’ll say yes
@@NA-gm5sx where? Texas? New york? I could ask for 40% off a new alpha Guilia Q4 and someone in Walla Walla might say yes. And they might change their mind and add a 10% markup tomorrow. MSRP is the only reliable metric of comparison for new cars and that should be a given.
Oh my gosh! A CVT, really Toyota?! 🤦🏻♂️
It's not an cvt, it's called e-cvt, but have nothing to do with an cvt.
Drove an 07 Camry hybrid that had a cvt that was honestly totally fine. Although my Hyundai Ioniq has a DCT which I prefer.
Drove a new Crown XLE with the same drivetrain. The transmission was very responsive and d felt nothing like those horrible CVTs in Subarus
@@herguth Sounds like a CVT. That drone is unbearable.
@@Mr44rr your right, it sounds like an cvt, and if you can't live with that, then it's not for you, but in real life scenarios, i hardly ever hear that, as i rarely go WOT, and when i do, its only for a couple of seconds.
The Camry’s are too low to the ground. Older adults have a harder time getting out of the car, a few inches in height would make a difference.
This is why they made the Toyota Crown
that's why carmakers make a ton of crossovers and suvs to satisfy older people, must you be so greedy that you want every single vehicle to be lifted just to please old people like you?
The Toyota crown is a lot more expensive.
You’re going to be old some day .
anything more than the very good basic for this is dumb
You don't get it. Basic is the polar opposite of hybrid technology. A small motor, motor inverter, boat anchor Li-ion battery and 100 computers to connect to ICE for power modulation exist for one reason only. Profit for automakers. Electric systems fail with age like clockwork. Hybrid systems which exact a premium price at purchase, exact a larger price owning one out of warranty when automakers derive a windfall by selling proprietary hybrid replacement parts if you can find a mechanic smart enough to root cause inevitable failure. The customer will have no idea if they are 'taken for a ride' as mechanics use part replacement for their diagnosis strategy. If you don't understand the rudimentary tenant of greater part complexity aka a hybrid with 2.5 x's the part complexity of gas car only, go to engineering school where all the math will bring it into focus. Statistics 101. The public doesn't have a clue. More? Listen to real car guys, not all the liars on youtube who don't know the difference between a motor inverter and battery BMS. Listen to Mike aka Street Speed's review of the new Eray which is a joke. Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter of the C8 who is soon retiring didn't even buy an Eray as his swan song retirement gift to himself because he knows, and he could even get somebody to work on it and parts free for life. He bought a standard Stingray with his own money. Needless parts and weight added for complexity and profit. Everybody lies about the new Eray and says how good it is. If you own one 5-7 years from now, you won''t be able to give one away as it goes out of warranty, complete with fake sound track. Egregious how much disinformation is put out on the web. Why? Because youtubers are given cars by manufacturers for fake reviews. Advertising. Selling out of America.
You feel so strongly about hybrids that you typed out an entire essay? It’s ok, some people have cash to burn.
What's the matter, don't have enough brain cells to make it past two sentences?
While I agree with some of the points here, when you specifically look at Toyota’s history of hybrids from the early 2000’s and still see them on the road, it counters your arguments. ALL vehicles from the 2000’s and on (and really, before this timeframe too) have electronics that can and will fail. Yes, you’re adding complexity with the electric motors, the 55lb Lithium Ion battery and all the subsystems to make it work. But you’re living under a rock if you don’t think pure ICE vehicles don’t have an insane amount of electronic sensors, modules and computers controlling their subsystems too. Some are worse than others. But let’s pick on European cars with their 48v subsystems controlling their mild hybrid startup systems, controlling RWS module and their sway bars. Despite being ICE powered, those systems will fail too. I am the original owner of a 2006 Mk5 GTI with 170k on it. Guess what? I’ve had to replace sensors on it too and it’s a manual ICE powered car. The point I’m trying to make is, unless you’re buying a carbureted car from the 60’s or 70’s or earlier, electronics can and will eventually fail on every car type. From my track record of having owned a 2015 Mazda3 for 4 years/55k and that car saw the dealership for a ebrake mechanism recall in its time with me, and now a 2018 ND1 Miata, JDM cars see the dealership MUCH less than German cars. The GTI never let me down, but it was always in the dealership in the first couple of years. I personally feel Toyota has got the 9th gen Camry right for the most part. The color matched grill on the XSE is tacky though. But for low to mid 30’s, what more can you ask for?
Toyota hybrids are extremely reliable and well proven systems.
The all new 9th Generation 2025 Toyota Camry is lame, slow, and ugly. Toyota changed the design, dropped Horse Power for the Pony Express. Do not purchase any 9th Gen Camry Hybrids, just not worth it. From a proud owner of an 8th Generation Toyota Camry XSE V6 fully loaded. A fully loaded 2025 Camry XSE Hybrid FWD MSRP of $41,647 and my 2023 Camry XSE V6 fully loaded MSRP of $41,305. Why spend more for a Hybrid when the Naturally Aspirated V6 is a thousand times better.
Honda got roasted for making the same exact move with the Accord, but Toyota is praised. Makes you wonder.
Do you know the mpg on your car?? Ppl who buy this new model is because the mpg...more than 50mpg is pretty good.
Mannnnn, stop hating! And stop telling people what they should and shouldn’t buy. You’re coming across as an uninformed bully! I just priced out a full loaded Camry XSE Hybrid FWD on Toyotas’ website, and it comes out to $39,870 including delivery. About $1,777 cheaper than what you mentioned, hence the “uninformed” label I gave you! Also, the new Camry DESTROYS your gas guzzling V6 with regards to fuel economy! The new Camry also has a nicer, higher quality interior compared to your Camry. The ONLY thing your Camry has over the 2025 model, is speed! The new Camry has above average power/performance for 98% of buyers. A high 6 seconds 0-60 is plenty quick. All while getting 45-50 mpg. And the new Camry might just pull on your V6 in the midrange with the instant torque from the electric motors. So just stop with the nonsense. 🤦🏻♂️
... Sir, you are the minority that bought the six cylinder camry... Most people bought the four cylinders, and that's it ... That's why there are no six cylinder option this generation ... You gotta look at what Toyota sales.And they sell hybrids, and they sell 4 cylinders .So, in a weird kind of way, this was the right move ... Now personally I will miss the six cylinder but at the same time I get it ...
The 6 was nice but nothing special. Was a basic motor. Was a very small take rate. I’m sure Toyota will do a prime or the like faster version.
That horrible horrific grill. 🫣
Ditch the CVT. That’s MY open letter to all manufacturers.
This one is a real geared planetary set. Not like a belt or chain like many people assume.
You’re thinking of the traditional CVTs single variable like the trash Nissan uses. E-CVT from Toyota paired with their hybrid is a perfect. Learn about it.
My point is about driving dynamics, not about reliability.
The E-cvt is the best thing about this car very reliable and efficient and drives more like a EV
with the inevitable switch to a full hybrid or ev lineup, manufacturers aren't left with much of a choice given adding geared transmissions to a semi-electric powertrain seems to add complexity & cost. hyundai/kia has the 6spd dual clutch in their hybrids to give customers a more traditional feel, but its reliability isn't equal to toyota's e-cvt setup. honda programs their e-cvts to mimic a 10-spd transmission, but it still doesn't sound 'natural' enough to warrant the feature in the first place. a traditional e-cvt, using no gears but instead electric motors to convert power from the gas engine, seems to be the best option we have for now.