Nazi Germany's Last Jet Fighter - Argentina 1950
When the war ended, lots of Nazi war crimes suspects and scientific personnel fled to Argentina, welcomed by President Juan Peron's regime. One was Kurt Tank, one of Germany's top aircraft designers. With him he carried plans for a last-ditch emergency fighter that had never been built. In Argentina, Peron gave Tank the opportunity to create that last Nazi jet fighter - the Pulqui II.
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I live in Córdoba, Argentina, and was 13 years when I met Kurt Tank. I was a military cadet in an Army Institute, where secondary grade studies were conducted (a kind of the USA ROTC program), called Liceo Militar Gral. Paz, where I had Kurt Tank's son Wolfram as a comrade in our promotion. Wolfram Tank and I developed a good friendship and we still gather with many other comrades from our 8th Promotion. Wolfram lives in Buenos Aires, he is an industrial engineer representing german steel companies in Argentina as Rehinmettal. We used to go to the airplane factory so I did meet all of the German pilots (including Adolf Galland, Hans Ulrich Rudel, Peter Behrens, and Hans Bot, the only survivor pilot of the rocket jet Heinkel 163 Komet. He was living in Carlos Paz, a nearby city until his death about 7 or 8 years ago. By the way, I am 83 years old, the same age as Wolfram Tank.
That's amazing that you met Mr Galland.
Increible historia muchacho jaja. Si tiene alguna anecodta mas con mucho gusto se la leo, sepa que aca se disfrutan este tipo de cosas
Un placer leerlo, Eduardo! Es muy comentado en Argentina lo ¨buen tipo¨ que es Wolfram, querido por todo el que lo conoce. Ojalá algún día pueda charlar con usted.
Woah huge insight thank you
Did Hitler live in Argentina after the war?
"Who designed this aircraft?" "Tank." "No, it's definitely an aircraft."
lmao
Yesterday I never heard of Tank and now this is the second video that gives him prominent mention that I've seen.
Surely you can't be serious??
Migoyan.
@@markh.6687 We're serious. And stop calling us Shirley.
As an Argentinean guy, I like the intellectually honest way in which you tell the story. Also, you start by providing some necessary context. Your speak very clearly as well. Great work Sir!
You are by far confused
@@agusdeluca5873 I am an Argentinian citizen too. And Aureliano Caballero is not confused. I met all those German pilots and even was a comrade in secondary school with Kurt Tank's son, Wolfram, who is still living in Buenos Aires. He stayed in Argentina and we meet regularly. Mr. Felton told the real story perfectly sell with honesty. As a sideline, in September 1955, while being a military cadet in Córdoba, I joined the rebel movement that expelled Juan Perón from power and force him to exile.
@@Achuara un movimiento de mierda, lo peor que le pasó al país
@@agusdeluca5873 El peronismo? Si, definitivamente fue un movimiento de mierda y lo peor que le paso al país. Todavía lo estamos sufriendo.
@@federicolinos8853 De no ser por el Peronismo, Argentina seria desarrollada, y ubiera arrastrado al desarrollo al resto de latinoamerica, Lo afirma un Chileno, que sabe de historia
How could Mark Felton get so much footage never seen before in the public is amazing, incredible and must be hard work.
I have yet to see a video, and think; "-Oh, I knew all this already."
Archival research. It's amazing what's available in the public domain. I've held letters from the Civil War.
Soy argentino y todas esas imágenes ya las había visto, incluso en KZhead.
I click on Mark Felton and the music starts. Without even realising the whole family spontaniously starts humming the theme and say 'He's watching Mark Felton'.
lol
Yeah, here too.
I do the same thing when I see his books in the shops!
Great intro!
My wife hears the music and says “studying for your WWII exam again?”
Mark Felton: - History is more compelling than fiction History Channel - "Aliens"
Imagine April Fools where he did a video on how Aliens created something
Ancient Alien Astronauts says "Yes"!
The History channel is just that, history.
@@cipher88101 Um, no. History Channel used to be about history, now it's all about Ancient Aliens and Bigfoot.
@@HappyFlapps that's right. Just like History Channel said that Megalodon may still exist in our unexplored ocean areas. There is even rumor that a shark over 1100 ft long swims the Atlantic waters and .... WAIT A MINUTE! HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?
Mark's pronounciation is so good that KZhead's auto generated subtitles get difficult things like names and ranks (e.g. SS-Hauptsturmführer) correct, spelling and all for the most part.
Im Chilean, speak Spanish (Castilian) and understand every single word of Mr Felton
That is what happen when you do not hire a moviestar celebrity and use a annoying musical backdrop.
@@michaelpettersson4919 Yes..Tom Cruise's WWII movie sucked
Funny, the subtitles flag Focke-Wulf as profanity and blank it out
...but Danish is beyond him apparently. Those places where he spoke of Danish cities or persons, other than Hansen or the like, he butchered it unfortunately. :/ Of course it's a difficult language.
America: I can't believe Argentina would house war criminals! Also America: *rockets go brrrr*
Were they really War Criminals ?
@@mjr6133 yes. Sure, some German scientists weren't criminals, but the meme wasn't about those.
@Vindexproeliator I mean USA, don't be obtuse. When people say "America" they usually don't refer to both continents, they refer to the specific country. You might object that that's wrong, but it is what it is.
Haha one small step for a man one giant leap for man kind
@@Horesmi "when people". People you know, maybe. That doesn't change the fact that America is the name of a continet (the land of Americo was actually a name originally given to the southern part of the continet) not of a country. Get yourself a country name.
For anyone interested, the narration in spanish during the demonstration flight of the Pulqui II more or less says: "It first makes a fly by at 1000 km/h and it's difficult for us to follow it with the camera. Afterwards in a slower fly by, the galantry of the flight of this plane can be appreciated, which is the pride of the Argentinian military aviation"
exactamente. buena traducción
That's only 620 MPH
@@thewizardofaz “only”
buena traducción. Congrats!!!
The funny thing was the bass boosted music lmao
One think he knows everything... one of Mark Felton's videos fixes that. Have a great day.
Yeah, sometimes I just pick a video on my way to work and just let it play in the background.
Von Braun was initially sidelined somewhat in terms of funding after he completed the Redstone rocket and most US funding for missile research went to competing projects. This changed however after the Soviets launched the Sputnik and the new rockets kept experiencing problems while the old Redstone proved reliable and got the basic job done to get a payload of any size into the orbit. Redstone saved face for the American space program after the Sputnik, so Von Braun was back in the favor.
I'll say It again: I love the fact that Mark does not shy away from mentioning in detail Nazi crimes and atrocities. Bravo!!!
And to name the evil U.S. explicitly
@@Tsumebleraar the only "evil u.s" lies in your imagination
Yeah! Since it was their enemy and they themselves the sufferer he would do it. He wouldn't utter a word about British coloniasm when in which the sufferers were colonial people😌
@@Tsumebleraar Were it not for the US the Germans would have won. Its easy to hate the US until you see what life under another super power is like. Filipinos used to hate the USA, the Japanese showed them how kind we really were.
@@MA_KA_PA_TIE There's plenty of people aware of what life under the dictatorships installed by the bloody yanks are like.
Would love to see a video about former Waffen-SS serving in the French Foreign Legion in Indochina.
That's an interesting topic. I know that some even served with the French in Algeria... Alongside troops from France's African colonies..
ahouam ahouam how bout Vichy French in Eastern Europe
Though not in the French Foreign Legion, there is a memoir called On the Devil's Tail: In Combat with the Waffen-SS on the Eastern Front 1945, and with the French in Indochina 1951-54 that might interest you.
@@harshbansal7982 that's also a good one.... I am reading Léon Derelle's book.. Very interesting
A lot more ex whermact soldiers also joined the legion, no-one asked questions, that was the point....if they had, no-one would have joined....the original Fight Club....and A Mouth Full of Rocks.
Its a missed opportunity that Kurt Tank didnt design Tanks
That was Franz Plane"s job :)
Not really. The armoured vehicle (aka tank) in German is "Panzer".
@ImNotMad ButUR brilliant
@@dontgetmadgetwise4271 And "Tank" means gas tank in German
Or he could have become a philanthropist and named his company "Thank Tank"
every time I watch one of your videos no matter what my day was like it always end up better! keep em coming and THANKS!.
The quality of these videos is excellent, apart from sometimes a scarcity of footage meaning sometimes clips are repeated. It lacks the budget for location work and interviews of TV, of course, but they are still well-done and informative. The longer stuff that Mark Felton does seems excellently researched from what I can tell with my more limited knowledge. And his narration is also excellent. I am surprised one of the major TV documentary companies around the world hasn't offered Mr. Felton a significant sum to work for them, or perhaps they have and he's turned them down.
D Felton is single handedly carrying me through quarantine
My blonde girlfriend and a fridge full of cold beer is carrying me.
Yeah
@@sebastianelytron8450 I'm using D instead of Dr.
@@sebastianelytron8450 it's his brother Darren, he sometimes hijacks Mark's channel. he sounds exactly like him don't you think?
The BEST videos to watch before heading into dreamland. Thank you Mr. Felton!
As a personal note : I was born in Argentina in 1943 when the flight of the Pulqui was published we the school children had a day off after having a big celebration. By the way, "Pulqui" means "Arrow" in the native Mapuche language.
Imagine living in a war winning Germany and have a day off for every new invention. ^^
Then the Argentine pilot goes and kills himself after pulling stunts in a plane with known faults, described as too dangerous to fly... embarrassed much
@@gram. Too much nonsense about the talented Argentine pilots.
@@nahuelzapatrustegui6695 spot on brother, the guy was just all "I'm gonna embarrass my whole home nation with my stupidity, now watch thi-" that's all it was, had to balance it out, maybe even was evil western spy...
@@gram. you sure know how to make a ridicule out of yourself, way to go!
great work!, cheers from Córdoba, Argentina...
Mr Felton, your KZhead series are brilliant. The boarding house i live has free Wi-Fi, so your channel is on high rotation. Thank you very much.
"Wernher von Braun with his original employers".... great caption.
LOL I liked that one, too
OG crew
I was just going to say that...LOL
How about his “new friend”? That friend being JFK
The Space Race was "our Germans" vs "thier Germans."
their
@@brianwahlstrom he is still right, though...
Reminds me of a quote from the movie "Ice Station Zebra". "The Russians put our camera made by *our* German scientists and your film made by *your* German scientists into their satellite made by *their* German scientists."
@@AirsoftReviewArgentina No, since it's "their" instead of "their", he's totally wrong. /s Seriously, why do people make comments like this
@@AirsoftReviewArgentina The Soviets didn't have any German rocket engineers though. A few low-level guys who soon were kicked out because they didn't want the former enemy to participate in their program.
The narration is surprising CLEAR and at the listenable speed. Fantastic !!!!!!!!!!!!
Great documentation on aviation history, keep up the good work!
I actually met Von Braun at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville Alabama in 1970, when I was 11 years old. We were headed for the Space and Rocket Center, and Dad took a wrong turn straight up to the front gate of Redstone. He stopped to ask the security guard for directions, and Von Braun himself just happened to came out the door, and he told Dad how to get there. Dad didn't believe me until he saw his portrait at the Center bookstore, lol.
What an honour eh That's pretty awkward thinking about it but he was a brainy bastard so he gets a pass for getting us all to the moon
He came to Brigham Young University in 1970 or 1971. I got to listen to him in person.
@@nonautemrexchristus5637 Getting mankind to the moon doesn't excuse his war crimes, we can say he's smart but never let up on the atrocities done by him and the rest of the SS.
aSoviet sailor agreed!
aSoviet sailor You cannot resist being used when your knowledge is valuable.
Just some info to add: Pulqui means "arrow" in an indigenous language.
Poky... 😉
Arrow in mapuche
@@jorgemagan3409 right. I remember "huarqui" meaning cat in mapudungun so...Sounds similar
Other Argentinian air plane was "pucara", think mean kind of settlement or indian fortress
@@manjelos yes, remember charles prince runaway from MALVINAS battle for coward , sea king pilot
I love your work man. Your knowledge of past time wars and the way you describe them is superb. Bravo!
I must say the Pulqui never entered production and of course didnt saw combat
Fascinating, another story you have never heard. Thanks Mark.
"don't shot I'm with the science team" actually works
Lmao
It didn't in the expanse (spoilers) except when it did (/spoilers)
LMAO
It didn't work in Half-life/Black Mesa. It had the exact opposite.
Lol
A lot of those planes carry the KZhead minimize full screen icon
Lol
Your a fucking legend
Indeed!
Thats why the engineers have the "Settings" icon on their sleeves
Now I can't unsee it! LOL 😂 🤣 😅
Great research Mark. I lived in Argentina from 1973 - 75. I couldn’t believe how many Germans I encountered. Went to Bariloche in southern Argentina and thought I was in Germany! Strange things in the skies in Argentina I might add...
I lived in BA in 1969... I was a high school exchange student and also saw many Germans in the higher echelons of Argentina. I remember reassuring myself that Argentina was really a Spanish speaking country.
@@charlienelson1946 I live in south brazil, my state borders argentina and uruguay. About half a million germans came here around 1860, a few years after the massive wave of german immigration went to USA...my first language was the Hunsrück dialekt from Rhineland... Not every person down here with a german surname is the grandson of a n4zi... In fact, my town is home of a veteran that fought agains the Germans in monte castello. May Mr Kuhn rest in piece.
@@AK-vs9nr In fact the bulk from german-argentines ancestors immigrated long before WWII, and even WWI in the 1800, being around 90% of them ethnically german but not from Germany but "VOLKSDEUTSCHE": Volga Germans, Banat Saxons and Danube Suabians (also called "old" austrians)
Didnt Hitler die there in Bariloche in 53.....
@@AK-vs9nr Dont forget the Confederates that moved to Brazil after the US Civil War.
The Kurt Tank designed HF-24 Marut was to be fitted with the E-300 engine, designed by Junker's Ferdinand Brandner, who originally designed it for the Egyptian Helwan Ha-300 fighter, which was designed by Kurt Tank's longtime rival - Willi Messerschmidt. A remarkable turn of events.
I am glad to know that Dr Kurt Tank was not suspected of war crimes.After he left Argentina he moved to India and worked with the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd where he developed Asias first supersonic fighter aircraft the HAL Marut. The aircraft was not a success however as India did not have the necessary industiral base to build a jet engine. He was later the director of the Madras Institute of Technology. It was the institute where Dr Abdul Kalam the Indian missile scientist studied.
Yeah. Hal marut was failed due to internal politics also. Same happened to tejas. Hope AMCA won't disappoint us. 🙏🇮🇳
Don't know man, the whole thing is very sketchy... If Tank never committed war crimes, then what reason would he have to flee Germany? He could have testified against the Nazi administration as many did in the trials... In the end, the Marut died an ignoble death anyway. Seems to be a recurring theme where Kurt Tank went.
@@xmlthegreat He probably didn't want to get paperclipped by the Russians. Wouldn't have been happy times.
@@americantacos7618 hehehe
@@ganeshtangade1019 Nope Boy.Tejas didn't fail. It was delayed.....deliberately ...But in the end it did manage to win against your Nation;'s biggest threat to your military complex....Your political bureaucracy.
I met Wernher von Braun when I was a young teenager. He had retired from NASA and was traveling around the country, visiting schools, and giving talks trying to convince students to pursue a career in engineering. This was in the early 70's and all I knew about him was he had led the USA space program. In those days his past was kept hush-hush.
Really? The fact he led V1 program was well known. I think the problem might have been the information was not readily available for a US teenager. No Wikipedia.
Hush hush. I got think so. There was even a movie starring Kurt Jurgens.
What was he like when you met him?
Regardless von Braun, it is foolish to kill them during the cold war and after usefull. Look in the Usa the flying wing, otherwise Russia would have used him..
Not hush hush just American history only about themselves 😂... you probably think the P51 Mustang and Sherman are American😁
Mr. Felton, you tell good stories. An impressive body of work, Sir. Thank you.
I wish I wasn't disabled because like I'd support you so fast if I had money. Your subjects are off the beaten path, entertaining and often give context that regular channels and books don't. Even WW2 is real-time barely mentions the French invasion of Germany in 1939, and I got more or less the whole skinny from your channel, and I thank you for that.
hugs. I will support in your behalf
Mark Felton Productions... turning "history" on it's ear one video at a time. I have done a great deal of research on my grandfather's service in WW2 and it has been tedious, time consuming and frustrating far more often than rewarding. I cannot imagine the amount of time and effort you put into each one of your videos?!! Amazing information, incredible editing and presentation, priceless. Please keep up your efforts!
All i have of my great grandfathers career in the marines in ww2 is a 1911 with holster, a katana and a newspaper clipping of him being worried about his brother in europe. It has been incredibly difficult to find anything else that wasn’t kept by the family.
Last time I was this early the Luftwaffe had air superiority
Last time I was on time they made me employee of the week.
Last time I was this late the allies had not landed in Calais but Normandy
The last time I clicked so fast was on age verification for a pornography site.
Last time I was this late the Lusitania was still sailing
The last time I was this late, the Persians had just met the Spartans at Thermopylae.
Mark Felton -always a pleasure !
Mr. Mark Felton doesn't stop to amaze me and i'm known as very picky person :) Thanks you for your effort and excellent work.
As argentine myself, I must say that this is an excellent and totally accurate description of our Pulquis history. Congratulations indeed. On the other hand, I may suggest to check the story of Reimar Horten, who designed flying wings in Argentina, including the first glider to cross Andes mountains("Urubú") and proppeled transport one intended to movilize fruit production ("Naranjero")
eeee vieja aguante boca wacho
@@santinomartinez5250 Que decís gil aguante chaca paciom campeón del '86
Oh heck dude, the Horten brothers managed to escape to Argentina? That's scary, yet kind of cool. I'm also terrified of what could have happened...
No sabía que Horten había venido a Argentina!
the airforce museum in Moron is a jewel telling the history of argentinas airforce and its aspiration. worth the visit you will see Bleriot, the plane St. Exupery flew in Argentina, the horten gliders etc.
Next video: Nazi Germany's Last Rocket - Saturn V
errr...NO...Germany´s last rocket & greatest achievement - Apollo 11
how about the german scientist that went to moskow
@@daanvos194 Soviets only got the second best scientists, thats why it took them longer to get the jets & rockets and other stuff
@@chris99103 the sovjets werent bad at space either, the first dog, mouse, bunny, turtle, man, woman, spacewalk, salyut to name some Just facts, im not a communist
todo lo que tenemos hoy es gracias a los alemanes. GRACIAS ETERNOS
Another fascinating video from Dr. Felton.
When the designer recommends grounding his own plane, and the test pilot ignores him, you know how it's going to turn out...
"Wernher von Braun with his original employers" :D :D
"Wehrner von Braun & a new friend"
@@razinnurhakim2712 "Friendship ended with third reich, now USA is my best friend"
"Vunce zie rawckets are up, who cares vere zey come down? Zat's not my department, says Werhner Von Braun" Tom Lehrer 1959.
I wonder how the arm was injured?
"Once ze rocket goes up, who cares where it comes down. Thats not my department, says Wernher von Braun.
"Wernher von Braun and a new friend" is one of the most understated yet profound descriptions of that photo.
Never liked that Smug Smile after the 1st US Army meeting, turns my stomach.....
Thanks @Kurt for making our HF 24 Marut
Very informative. As a kid our family lived next door to one of the German rocket scientists while living in Cocoa Beach Florida in 1970's.
Argentina, USA, and Soviet Union: Can I copy your homework? Nazi Germany: Yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied. Argentina, USA, and Soviet Union:
Technically didn't copy them, they literally stole the designers
*Copying* those early designs was a stupid idea, because progress was moving so quickly. That's why the US and USSR didn't *copy* the designs, but -- as @Ken Kaneki mentioned -- swiped the designers.
@@28291973 I know LOL
Operation Lusty and Operation Paperclip.
Most early jets where powered by the same engine. Of course they will look similar.
Operation Paperclip. Everyone had their own version. Outstanding quality of production as always, Mark.
Tremenda historia¡ I love your channel. Always interesting, objective and so reveal.
The HF-24 that was built in india was designed by Tank's team in Argentina. It was to have been the Pulqui 3.
Can you make your next video about the Germans involvement in the Spanish civil war?
YES
Yes!
I find the Republican implosion amongst its suicidal reactionary myriad factions far more fascinating and undoubtedly of a more historical issue also. Thanks for comments made 😊
Also a video about the Division Azul, Spanish SS soldiers in Berlin 1945 and the last war of the bf109, Ifni war
Make it about me-109
Tank also was a "consultant" on the Tornado programme! As far as I know this was the last thing he was ever involved in.
Hi Mark, Please do a video on the "Rockets of Helwan" - the German scientists and engineers who developed ballistic missiles for Egypt's Gamal Abdel Nasser. Love your channel. Keep up the superb job you are doing.
Mark, where on earth do you dig up these fantastic accounts? If it not for you, these wonderful and fascinating inventions would hardly see the light of day!
Horrors of the war aside....the German Aviation engineers & designers were ahead of their time.
That's true us and USSR stole everything
As Von Braun said we had some help! Go figure!
Lol, no.
@Bobby Banana Yes, but you are ruled by the upper class aristocracy who said it was too expensive to waste their money on the invention !!! Hahaha!
@Bobby Banana Both incorrect.
Just when you think this guy's vids can't get any better.....this happens.....
For real tho haha
I don't know how he even thinks about them!
Thank God I found this channel. I was born in Majdanek, still got scratch marks @ the barracks. Thank you, Sir. Tuesday, April 13th, 2021.=3.14
So this the same Kurt tank who designed the hf 24 marut, didn't know the background info. You do thorough research work sir! Great work! Keep it going
Did anyone else go cross-eyed for a moment at 6:38 looking at the nose of that aircraft??
Yep, u r right, it's a radar housing dome :). This is a model of proposed night fighter with radar and second seat for radar operator, according to similar configuration and camo as existing planes; Me 262, Bf 110, Ju 88, He 219 Uhu, etc.
I couldn't figure out what was making my eyes cross-eyed all of the sudden lol
Not till you gave the time stamp. Now i've got one eye looking up and one eye looking down: Oo Damn you Hank! ;-)
Thought I was the only one
Yeah I pulled my head back it was weird
Looks like a Mig
Looks like a Tank
j29 lol
This came before the mig 15 the first jet mig was the 9 and had straight wings and looks more the swedish tunnan
Agreed. It resembles a MiG 17 to me, because of the sharper angle of the wing sweep, also that piece in the nose, right at the front of the intake. If my memory serves me correctly on that, the MiG 15 doesn't have that "divider" in the intake port.
You guys, what you think who bring the jet-design to the russians? Operation Paperclip also happend behind the Iron curtain
A very interesting channel very informative yet such a pleasure to watch thanks Mark
Another great video thanks for sharing
Mark Felton's videos have become a subject of discussion at my household. I sometimes find my two kids humming the intro music...when I look at them, they smile and tell me: ...Dad! It's your fault....look what you did to us 😂.
The first thing I do BEFORE actually watching a Mark Felton video is give it a recommend. I don't do this for anyone else on principle but for making this exception I have never regretted it. Nor my subscription. Truly unique. A one man historical Institution! I am always stunned at the immersive detail and incidents he digs up.
0:00 That music. Time for another Mark Felton Production!!!
I wonder why the Pulqui jets had such tall nose gears? The jet looks like the angle of attack would be too steep for low speed takeoffs. This is another example of the unique subjects that separates this channel from others. Great job!
I don't understand why you get so many dislikes on your videos, Mark. I guess people today expect "History" to be Pawn Stars and Ancient Aliens 🙄 I don't know what us REAL history buffs would do without folks like you! Thanks for yet another amazing mini-doc! By the way, I can't wait for Part 3 of the Invasion of America series!
"So many dislikes"? Excuse me? Of course some neo-nazis conspiracy theorists are mad that the human death toll of any slavery project / extermination camp is mentionned, but look again, they are a tiny deluded minority.
Pay attention and you will understand
@@sharefactor stfu America and Russian kill count is more than Germany ever did till this day with its non stop wars.
The dislikes are from Aussies.
Well he wont have to worry anymore because KZhead removed dislikes
When the Americans pilfered Nazis for their rocket programs it’s “they conveniently ignored the fact they were Nazis.“ But when the Argentinians did it, They did it “illegally.” Bit of a double standard there.
Argentina took in known Nazis who provided no expertise. So your comparison is not accurate. While the Americans actions were unsavory, there was a rationale behind them due to the Cold War brewing with Soviet Union. Argentina took in war criminal Nazis simply as a place of refuge from justice where many of them lived out their lives in peace...
@@jackg9006 Spot on.
You have to differentiate between Germans / Convenient Nazis and Ideological Nazis. Von Braun and his mob were largely Germans and Convenient Nazis. Those who were party members had done so for advancement and opportunity. They were investigated for their role and (conveniently) found not responsible for the horrors of the slave camps. This is different to Ideological Nazis like Eichman who fled to Argentina to avoid an investigation they would not survive.
It's also worth pointing out that Kurt Tank was barely even a Convenient Nazi. He ended up in Argentina as the result of a Peron government contract for a home built jet fighter that French and British Companies had bid for and lost. It could just as easily been DeHaviland, Gloster or Dewonite.
DaRyteJuan - Politics has long long long been a dirty business, largely devoid of high morals or ethics. Few nations, if any, managed to avoid this minefield.
I recommend to watch an argentinian documentary called Alas Argentinas. In it you can find all the details concerning the german contributions, like Kurt Tank's or Horten's designs. Also Argentina had built a jet before Tank arrived.
Quality work as always ! ! !
You know, as an engineer, the biggest issue with a lot of applied science is practice and experience. There is only so much that can be predicted through mathematical models. The Nazi scientists weren't inherently better than the allies, but they did have experience with rocketry that would have cost millions to recreate.
Yes when captured they claimed they learned everything from Dr. Robert Goddard!
Same reason stalin spent so much on espionage during the Manhattan project and beyond yet ended up saving millions in research time and resources.
That is why the US Army confiscated more than 750,000 patents and countless developments that had not yet been registered for patents against the provisions of international law; it was not only rockets, aircraft, weapons, tanks, ammunition and flying disks, but also the submarine boats were way ahead of the times. Most of them were German scientists and little or no interest in politics. In other words: Not every American has an Indian scalp on his belt.
Hans Holger How were they ahead in aircraft, submarines and tanks Hans? The British invented the jet engine. The ME262 and the Gloster Meteor entered operational service within days of each other but the Meteor was a more fly able aircraft and developed much further. The British could handle any tanks the Germans had with the 17 pounder Firefly, the Comet and towards the end of the war had developed the *Centurion.* In WW1 the Royal Navy had the R class submarines with an underwater speed of 15 knots and an array of hydrophones in the bow. Not a new idea. The Type XX1 technology wasn’t particularly advanced. It had a big battery and motors and a streamlined casing to give it high speed. Some British S class had already been streamlined to give more speed before XX1 was operational. Also the British Squid and associated depth finding sonar were far in advance of anything the Germans had. The Allies didn’t need fast submarines when the enemy had very little ASW. By the time the Germans managed to get the Type XX1 submarine to sea the a British had already fielded their own high speed submarines (such as HMS Seraph) in order to develop the sensors, weapons and tactics that would counter the Type XX1 ( like the _Squid_ ASW mortar and the Type 147 sonar) Since there was by 1944 no German (and hardly any Japanese) Navy or merchant marine fleet left to fight, fielding high-sped submarines was initially a lower priority but the Cold War ramped it up again. The threatened conflict with the USSR would have involved a large amount of submarine warfare, hence some of the more advanced Allied submarine ASW capability remained closely held for some time while the Type XX1 was known and publicised. Read Hackmann’s _”Seek and strike:_ _Sonar, anti-submarine warfare and the Royal Navy 1914-1954_ (1984 , The Stationary Office) to better educate yourself.
@@giovannipierre5309 Not necessarily in aircraft, the US were already operating the P-80 and the Brits the Meteor, but they had more experience with jets overall. The excellent Nene jet engine was developed by the Brits after the war based on German testing. The German tanks were also not that great, but the last generation of Panthers featured advanced infrared vision systems that, while ultimately not changing anything, lead to some stunning night battle results. Also the German late war AA tank designs were great. For the submarines, that's the only tech besides rockets where Germany was really far ahead of anyone else. The Type XXI and Type XXIII streamlined hulls and huge battery load combined with a snorkel resulted in a submarine that could stay submerged basically all the time and was, for the very first time, much faster submerged than surfaced. All submarines before this were rather submersibles than actual submarines. It took the US, UK and USSR years to get their variants of the captured German designs up to the same standards...save for quality of course, main reason the XXI was never able to really go into action was poor late war standards in German naval industry resulting in poor hull integrity and monthlong fixup times, delaying the XXI too long. The Type XXIII though went into action as it was smaller and easier to fix, and sunk quite a number of Allied supply ships in the English Channel and other coastal waters.
I can't think of anything to say, but I love your videos. My grandfather was a tank gunner during allied combat in north Africa and the invasion of Sicily. I would love a video about those tank assaults!
@shutup He was allied. Of Spanish and Jewish descent, born in Mexico. Not exactly Axis material.
shutup Del Toro Loco. Falange espanola of course
@shutup He was born in Mexico and immigrated with his family to the USA. He and a group of people were involved in a fatal bar fight and the judge offered him jail time or his service in the army. He chose the army.
So he was a U.S. citizen by the time he entered the war
Great video, full of context in the information it presents.
if you are looking for content you should look into doing a video on the Canadian Avro Arrow. I find your channel very interesting keep up the good work!
The Pulqui! Mark's such a bloody star, this is exactly what I was hoping for.
"Wenher von Braun with his original employers" 😂
Hah, I hadn't seen that!
Don’t think it was meant that way, he did go into great detail about Van Brauns crimes. Just a bit of unintentionally amusing verbiage
"Once ze rockets are up, Who cares vere zey come down? Zat's not my depahtment, Said Wernher von Braun"
"Wernher von Braun & a new friend"
My uncle worked for Convair in the 50s as a project engineer on the Atlas missile. He was good friends with Werner von Braun, they played golf together and socialized. Maybe my uncle was a closet Nazi? I wouldn't know, I only met him once when I was about 8 years old. I just remember my mother always talking about how brilliant her brother was and telling me I had to learn German in school because it was "the language of engineering".
Great video, and thank you for remembering to mention the nazis' war crimes (as you often do), some folks on other channels appear to not like doing it. As the survivors die from old age, and even the "second-hand" witnesses who personally knew and talked to the people who suffered get old... It is of critical importance to keep the memory alive.
For anyone of the allies to call Germans "war criminals" is beyond hypocrisy,
Yes, you mean those reliable witnesses "first hand" and "second hand" who insisted until their dying day that it was true they made soap, that the "Witch of Buchenwald" had made lamp shades from inmate skin (but we know now that these were goat skin, as they have been DNA tested) and that they would swear up and down they saw it all happen?
Great video, learned a lot, thanks
As a german and spanish speaker, a very special thank you for accurately pronouncing the german and spanish names. Thanks for the superb video. I´ve known some of the facts, but it brought me amazing new ones. But don´t call the Pulqui II a "nazi" fighter. Another specially delightful detail, for me, was that, before the viewer had the chance to start hating Argentina, you showed that all countries were hiring former Third Reich personnel after the war.
A mi tampoco me parece del todo adecuado llamarlo “el último avión nazi.” No puede ser nazi puesto que sus creadores no apoyan el partido nazi, porque no existe, y el avión no iba a luchar por dicho partido. Además la aeronave dice bien claro a que país pertenece en la bandera que lleva en la cola.
@@unai_asecas9070 Perón era por definición fascista. Además dijo en ocasiones que el peronismo era un movimiento "socialista, socialista nacional" en otras palabras: nacionalsocialismo (nazi)
@@ignacioburkhardt789 y donde noto que nuca leiste un puto libro en tu vida te aviso existe google, socialismo no significa nazismo, es una ideologia politica, social y economica que consiste en la igualdad de clases, y la autosugestion de empresas. y el NACIONALSOCIALISMO fue el que utilizo el nazismo, donde aplicaba sus politicas socialista pero con exepciones, de que no tengas religiones que no seas el cristianismo, no seas blanco y otros.
@@ignacioburkhardt789 Ultra boludeces de gorilas los verdaderos filo nazis .
Peron was the worst thing that happened to Argentina and his ideologies made Argentina a poor socialist country. Otherwise, It would have been an extremely rich nation.
Mark Felton rocks! The best channel on KZhead History channel wishes it could be like this
Apart from the great information, kudos for actually talking about the whole world scenario regarding ex Nazis and their destinations. Sometimes "it seems" that they only came to Argentina, great work man. Also very few talk that even being Neutral, not few Argentine pilots fought in the RAF.
I have to say your channel is excellent Well done sir
With Mark Felton Productions I hit the 'like' button as soon as the opening music underscore starts. Because I know whatever comes next will be excellent ! Never fails to be exactly so. Thank you.
Mark, your videos are always a great stress reliever for me. As soon as the music starts, I go back 75 years in time and it feels like World War II is happening around me. Seeing those historical war sights has been one of the biggest dreams, one day. Thanks man!
Very clear and concise. Thank you.
Thanks Mark. Good as usual.🍺
10:40 it says: "the first pass at 1000km/h is very hard to capture it with the the camera, then on a slower pass, it can be seen the braveness of this plane, which is the pride of the Military aviation of Argentina" Edit: it had some mistakes at the end of the sentence
*succeeds to cut 10 sec out of the clip*
Imagine being the first latín american country to develop such an aircraft
@@jbaroli I'm Argentinean and we are pretty proud, although is not very well documented and if often connected with the president at that time ("Perón") and he is pretty hated here
@@paullewis770 well he is hated, but everyone in politics, is Peronist, even the PRO members, it's like democrats and republicans, all hate them but all the politicians are like suchs
@@tamilly7941 yeah is a wierd mix between supporters and haters
How'd that happen? Accidentally found a Mark Felton upload - fantastic.
ELES ESTÃO DE VOLTA PARA CASA E SÃO NACIONALISTAS
I was stationed in Mannheim/ Coleman AAF in the late ‘80s. I believe it was the Heinkel that had tested there. There was a massive secret underground hangar under a grass field. They flooded it after the war but a couple of the access points were still visible. Spooky ha.
Another fantastic video.
stumbled onto the channel, love the 'matter of fact' presentation style
30 some years ago I had the Good Fortune to randomly meet one of the photographers who worked with the early us rocket program for a time he was assigned as Werner von Braun's photographer or at least one of them he told me that it was told to make sure to never take a photo of von Braun pointing to the top of a rocket if one thinks about it you can see why.
TREY RIVER But why?
@@georgivanev7466 it would look similar to the nazi hail
@@georgivanev7466 Dear boy, that's an unbelievable question, indeed !
Werner saluted so much during the NAZI years that he had to have his arm put in plaster. That photo of him is reversed.
00:30 the starting jet looks like "WOOOOOOO" 😅
Many thanks for this story 😊
Kurt Tank "This plane is grounded for further testing." Test pilot Captain Manual "Hold my beer"
*And dies without he's beer.*
hold my mate*
At all ritmo
Hey Mark I really love the entry music that you have to your videos it gets you all excited to watch them! Thank you for the time-warp, Time capsule I enjoy your programs!
Glad you like them!
1:33 "Wernher von Braun with his original employers" haha very cheeky Mark Felton
@markfelton could you do a series on Jaun Peron? I spent time in Argentina and I would love to learn more about what went down during that time.
It’s a very controversial subject still today, many people still worship him almost as a demigod, while many people (myself included) believe he was a tyrant.