Secret Fourth Reich - The Naumann Circle Plot
In the early 1950s, a secret Nazi organisation in West Germany attempted to infiltrate political parties to establish some form of Fourth Reich, a successor to the defeated Third Reich. The organisation was called the Naumann Circle, and was the mastermind of the last Propaganda Minister Dr. Werner Naumann, who had escaped from Berlin in 1945 in the same group as Martin Bormann. Find out the story here...
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Sources:
- James P. O'Donnell, The Berlin Bunker, (Dent: 1978)
- Hugh Thomas, Doppelgängers, (4th Estate: 1995)
- 'Nazi influence on Germany's post-war government to be investigated' by Caroline Mortimer, The Guardian, 27 November 2016
- '53 EX-NAZIS HOLD BUNDESTAG SEATS; These Were Less the Choice of the West German People Than of the Parties,' The New York Times, 9 May 1950
- Edwin Hartrich, 'Fourth and Richest Reich', (MacMillan: 1980)
- Peter Longerich, 'Goebbels', (Vintage: 2016)
- Mark Felton, 'Guarding Hitler', (Pen & Sword: 2014)
Naumann is like that character who appears in season 5 of your favorite TV show that all the cast have know for years but there's never been any mention of them in any of the previous seasons.
guy is the Bob Sacamano of WW2
Born..... He's that guy
Tony Blundetto.
Richie Aprile
There is probably a reason that you don't hear about him. The people in power never wanted you to know that Nazism survived. That it had been snuffed out.
"Would not be the last?" Dr. Mark you absolutely can not tease us like that!
Nahh
Great way to end the video though. Now we wait for the update.
EW-Pa128 report.
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He can not make a video about that. At least not yet. He is surely talking about the WEF and their founder which is a nazi offspring which met Hitler several times when he was a child. His father worked as an scientist on the nazi atomic bomb project.
My grandpa was part of operation paperclip. When he got drunk at thanksgiving or Christmas he would rant about how there would be a 4th Reich in German.
Many nazis came to the US so... there is some fascism in the US.
And there is - European Union is 4th Reich. It is completely dominated by Germans.
People often forget that there was still large support for the NSGWP after WW2. It took a combined effort of book burning, propaganda campaigns, assassinations, jailing, and spying by the US, UK, and USSR to crush the resurgent post-war support for the NSGWP. So it's no surprise, since your grandfather was probably briefed on the local situation in Berlin and the surrounding regions.
Huh, guess the AGL doesn't want me talking about history. So 1984...
Fourth Reich in the US if you look carefully
Once again Mr Felton leaves the audience hungry for more ! What a fascinating slice of history.
Dr. Werner Naumann / Nauman sounds like a bit Muslim name also Artur Axmann / Usman, Josef / Yousaf Mangele, and Josef / Yousaf Grohe' ... is it legit connection!?! can anybody advice on this!?! thanks!
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A 25 minute M Felton post? How do you expect me to get anything done today??? Come on Mark. I have kids to feed and bills to pay.
It's 25 min bro ???? Not 25 hours dam
You need to retire...
😂
It's 7.40 p.m. here, the working day is done 😁
Bewegen Sie es jetzt schnell, schneller
I was thrilled like a kid, throughout this documentary, to that extent that I couldn't belive 25 min has passed😂. Excellent stuff, Mark. You just never fail to impress!
This is all new to me. There is no better KZhead source on the history of that time than Dr Felton.
Zoomer Historian is much better.
"Eyes Wide Open" channel
@@harrykrumpacker871 dude what
True 👌🌼🌹🌺🌸💮🌻💖💝🥰
Man, Mark Felton really is the goat of KZhead history
This is so weird, my father was talking about this with me earlier today. That's spooky, we rarely talk about the war.
Lol... And it gets worse the more you dig... Everything about the post war was One big SS / nazi collaboration in the German government .. Military intel , diplomats , government ministers was one big 🤯 its interesting but hard to understand with our eye these days
I highly recommend the channel "Zoomer Historian" for some really interesting videos on WW2.
We won't ask what he did.
Synchronycity
The algorithm
Mark you are a gentleman and a scholar. Never stop!
Fritz Thyssen, Hjalmar Shacht, Allen Dulles, Prescott Bush, and Axel Wenner-Gren Were The True Nazis.
Fritz Thyssen, Hjalmar Shacht, Allen Dulles, Prescott Bush, and Axel Wenner-Gren Were The True Nazis.
Fritz Thyssen, Hjalmar Shacht, Allen Dulles, Prescott Bush, and Axel Wenner-Gren Were The True Nazis.
This channel is just incredible. Bormann’s walking route ? I’m impressed. Never have I see such detailed block by block, mapping of Martin Bormann’s escape route. Dr. Mark Felton. You have out done yourself sir. 👍
So you have to wonder if Bormann did get out.
@@kato1224mmmmm. not really.
Its a bit to sensational for my taste, but interesting for sue.
Professor Felton never, ever fails to impress. Another magnificent presentation, thank you very much.
Dr. Werner Naumann / Nauman sounds like a bit Muslim name also Artur Axmann / Usman, Josef / Yousaf Mangele, and Josef / Yousaf Grohe' ... is it legit connection!?! can anybody advice on this!?! thanks!
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The relative anonymity of Werner Naumann, explains how so many could slip away. They were simply unknown.
With a boss who demanded all the limelight it was probably best not to appear to ambitious. In an authoritarian government even an unfounded suspicion is dangerous.
It's the photo'd pupils that give away their stirring spur -. Pervitin.
@@binaway Yeah! Goebbels was a real peacock. And the Nazis had more peacocks then what’s normal for in a regime. But in all states, even those in very senior positions are generally unknown, for all but a small circle. We forget that Nazi Germany was no exception. People Josef Mengele and Martin Bormann weren’t household names back then.
Doctor Kurt Waldheim, wasn't he the UN secretary general??¡!!
Unknown? You mean assisted right?
That’s this tea time’s entertainment sorted… Milk and one sugar ☕️ 🫖
Hey, sup Mustang!
... and the ginger nut biscuits of course. 🫓
Agatha Christie and Miss Jane Marple would approve . 😂 Tea and Crumpets anyone ?
Awesome...🇺🇸
Oat milk please. Thank you.
I have to say I always love coming back to Mark's videos, almost feels like a hug from family. Always very much enjoy the videos and the fact you also back it up with a LOT of research too.
Dr. Mark, you attention to detail and intricate knowledge is a real point of difference in your content. I am always so excited when you drop another video.
Wow, Mark, once again you've blown us away with your latest video! Your attention to detail, storytelling, and research always make for such an engaging watch. Your dedication to preserving history in such a dynamic and accessible way is truly admirable. I can't help but reminisce about your World War I videos. Your insight into that era is also fantastic, and i've been eagerly awaiting more of those fascinating narratives from World War I as I feel it is a time too important to miss. Keep up the incredible work!
Yep.
There will later be a Fifth Reich
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you, Dr. Felton. As an lifelong student of WW2 history, this is the first I've heard of Naumann and his machinations.
Fritz Thyssen, Hjalmar Shacht, Allen Dulles, Prescott Bush, and Axel Wenner-Gren Were The True Nazis.
Fritz Thyssen, Hjalmar Shacht, Allen Dulles, Prescott Bush, and Axel Wenner-Gren Were The True Nazis.
Wasn't there another "ring" of Nazis before that who were exposed by the guy who wrote The Blue Max?
Keep 'em coming Mark - the best historian on YT!
The beginning music is perfect for these videos. Great video as always
Gregory Peck was a great actor. Loved his work in westerns.
He is great - he's suitably creepy and off-putting as Mengele in the film.
I met his priest (Irish) during Pandemic in Redondo Beach. Amazing story. He was also close friends (the priest) with Colin Farrell. Sadly, passed away recently.
And his grandson sounds like him…..he plays Spock in Star treks strange new worlds series
Cape Fear. Both of them.
Loved him!
Mark, can I just say in my opinion is that your documentaries ( Videos) are like the best unseen (not yet made) films in the listeners imagination. Thanks for your extensive work in giving us these moments in history.
Mark does a great job helping you really picture these moments in your head...
Ends on a bit of a cliffhanger, absolutely love it! Another great video, really enjoyed this one.
One curious piece of trivia about Josef Mengele, is that after he died in Brazil, He was buried in the town of Embu das Artes, in an unmarked grave, very close to where I live. He was then exhumated in 1985 for proper identification after the brazillian federal police intercepted letters from his family in Brazil to the Mengele family in Germany, informing them of his death. After the exhumation, his remains sat unclaimed in the São Paulo Institute for Forensic Medicine until 2016, when it was transferred to the São Paulo University as an educational aid for medicine students. I guess they finally found a use for him after all, Terrific video as always Dr. Felton.
What an ironic fate. For a man who made his infamy through medical experiments to eventually end up as a medical experiment himself
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A bit similar to the German serial killer Fritz Haarmann, who used to chop up his victims and presumably sell their meat on the black market, except that Haarmann was actually captured and beheaded. His severed head was kept in a jar until 2014, when it was cremated.
@@tomtomtrent Irony would imply his fate mirrored the fate of his victims. It didn't. Being tortured with medical experiments, whether scientific or maniacally absurd is far different than having his skeletal remains used for research after his natural death.
@@truracer20 that’s true, these would certainly be much more scientific and much less gruesome than the experiments he carried out
Dr.felton, I sometimes wonder if you are even capable of not peaking my interests. As always with great thanks, we appreciate all your hard work and dedication! Until next week sir!
Not trying to be a jerk, but the correct word is "piquing" your interest not "peaking." I say this as someone who appreciates being corrected when using or spelling a word incorrectly. That being said, Dr. Felton never fails to pique my interest as well!
Piquaboo!
I can only imagine the amount of time and effort it takes to bring us this information. Thank you for all the hard work.
Thanks, Mark. I'm really enjoying discovering all these stories.
It's amazing that Naumann, as a high ranking SA officer in 1933, survived the Night of the Long Knives.
A lot of them survived or collaborate with the Fuehrer and received promotion for Herr loyalty to Hitler ... especially Viktor Lutze
He was head hunted from SA to SS by his friend Heinrich Himmler in 1933. The Night of the long knives actually took place between 30 June 1934 to 2 july 1934. It was Himmler and G🤡ring who gave Hitler a list of people who was a threat against (their) Hitler's power. Neumann was simply not on the list.
My initial thoughts as well.
Probably knew it was going to come on Top & kept his head down…..
99percent of SA leadership "survived".
Mark, this was one of your best videos.. Perhaps because of the plotline. But I was truly mesmerized by it.
I respect the hell out of youre research, logic, and delivery. Great work Im a huge fan and grateful for your content
I saw the movie "The Odessa File" last year and I really enjoyed it.
The wife (my girlfrreind then) and I saw it when it came out in the 1970s. VERY good movie!
What a coincidence: just watched the Odessa File over the weekend! (didn't remember much from the 1970 movie)
the book is a lot better and well worth the read.
Forsyth is my favorite author
I bought the bluray this year. Filling out a collection
I had no idea this whole situation existed, wild. Thankyou for your continued output of fantastic content, one of my favourite channels
You are the best Documentary Producer/Historian/Narrator on KZhead keep up with your detailed documentaries and enjoyable content Love Your work!
Another startling post. Thanks, Dr Felton.
I could never get enough of these videos, always an interesting part of history that hasn't been spoken about a lot , great job dr Felton you're doing
This should actually be a series Dr. Felton. It's totally spellbinding ‼️
The Amazon TV show Hunters kinda works with the 4th Reich
There is a Dutch WW2-book called ‘Het Vierde Rijk’ that has the same subject.
Definitely!
Mr. Felton, im new to your documentaries, and it's to my detriment. I absolutely love your content. Thanks ever much
Excellent as always. My major professor in grad school, Dr. Richard Spence, taught a class called "Conspiracies and Secret Societies in History." This subject was part of one of his lectures. (A very small part, but this was a great source of fill-in-the-blanks material for me. I quite enjoyed this episode.)
Dr. Felton, I always learn something on your channel. Your series on Martin Bormann's escape (?) was absolutely enthralling. I didn't know anything about this gentleman, Naumann. Thank you.
I agree, the series on Martin Bormann's escape was thrilling.
Gentleman?
@@simonhandy962 Used strictly in a generic sense.
that series convinced me bormann escaped
An incredible amount of work gone into this! Brilliant mr Felton
Dang Mr.felton these are by far the best subject and the videos are just exemplary
That was fantastic mate bravo ! The imagery is great and u have an incredible sounding voice… I subscribed !
I am always excited when I see another production for the first time from Dr Felton. Always so we'll researched and presented. Not counting the amount of time it takes to link all these episodes together. He puts many of the mainstream to shame with his productions. Here's to the next surprising episode...
Look forward to the videos that go over the other plots! Great video.
Amazing story Mark. Was glued to the TV!
Mark Felton always comes with new and amazing facts content. Like we can't find such great knowledge of ww2 era on any other channel. Im following many channels but seriously when mark Felton's notification comes i preferred to watch it Alone without any disturbance cuz every minute there will be a new twist.
Never heard of this plot. Thanks for digging this up.
It's not "new" news been known for years .
@@piked261Nobody implied that, why would you post a comment like that?
@@piked261 But why comb a walrus? It ruins their ability to play bass.
Watch Grey wolf escape to Argentina extremely informative as is the book was😊
hahahah europe and the US used thousands of high ranking ex Nazis, the Us in particular started some very nasty units, like Cia and germ warfare research based on some of the true animals saved from the Reich, not that they tell you openly
Once again an excellent video again Mark... fascinating stuff,and always an interesting watch ....keep up the brilliant work ... BRAVO!
Doc, you never fail to deliver new and interesting stuff. Dramatic hampster music cracked me up!
Thank you Mark for another very interesting but unsettling video. All the best from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
Always love your videos. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for another excellent post. You do an excellent job.
I can't believe all these quality videos are for free. The amount of knowledge Mr. Felton has is mesmerizing, the selection of video archive, exquisite. I'm a real fan of your work!
An quite long Mark Felton video. And as always well researched and presented.
One of your best Videos !!! Sooo many Research… unbeleavable exciting
This, as always, is brilliant put together.
Hands down, one of your best. Incredible presentation! Thank you Dr. Felton!!!!
Outstanding. Excellent work. Thanks for sharing Dr. Felton.
He decieves.
@@clovergrass9439 You cannot make a statement like that without reasoning. Otherwise you just make yourself look like a fool.
Again Mark thank you for keeping these fascinating stories and parts of history relevant for us to enjoy
This is absolutely the best channel on YT. Nobody beats Dr. Felton when it comes to presenting well researched and fascinating videos on the WW2 era. The fun sinister music at the end was the sweet icing on the cake, BTW. 😂
Thanks again Mark, keep digging! Greetz from Groningen
Interestingly, the Fourth Reich is a motorcycle gang in Australia. They do not appear to have any political connections, just some people who ride motorcycles and have a dubious reputation.
WOW! This is new to me, thnax Mr Felton. can't wait for the next video!!
As usual, not only great content, very thought provoking, thank you
Can confirm, all ears when Mr Felton uploads!
It's a great production as we always expect from Felton.
A Continuation of scholarly excellence from Mark. I appreciate it.
For those of us who lived during the Cold War and would listen to shortwave radio services like Radio Berlin International, and Radio Moscow, histories like this were common. A common argument of the Warsaw Pact/USSR was that the Western Alliance was really run by NAZIs and would lead the listeners to believe that any military action taken by the Warsaw Pact against NATO would at its root be a continuation of WW2 to finish the job. We hear echoes of this argument to this day with Russia vs Ukraine/NATO.
The metal gear solid series of games has a sort of alternate history time line. A group called the Patroits formed after ww2, creating a slush fund to invest in both sides of forever wars. It really isn't so farfetched. Even if you aren't a gamer I encourage you to watch some storyline videos. The second game touches on AI and it is weird how on the mark Kojima was.
@@nojuanatall3281 There has never been a forever war. All wars end.
I mean in the context of the video, when in west germany the majority of the top legal system and quarter or the bundestag were old nsdap members weren't they kinda right? Lol
@@Karpp1nenYes, they were. And the same was true for East Germany. Both versions of Germany needed to be governed. The NVA was the logical conclusion of the Nazi Wehrmacht. The NVA continued all the traditions of the original German army with no shame. If the Warsaw Pact did invade NATO to wipe out Nazism in the West, they would have done it with goosestepping Prussian style super soldiers who were trained in the same way as the armies of the NAZI's. The NAZIs knew how to run Germany, the allies -all of them including the Soviets- needed and used them to their ends.
@@AndrewTubbiolo I think you're missing a point here of how west germany failed to carry out it's obligations of denazification. It's completely different to have former nsdap members in control of the high courts or ex wermacht officers serving in the NVA.
Perfect way to start my day, thanks Dr Felton.
A 25 min Mr. Felton video fitting right into my home-work trip? Yes please!
thanks for the vids mark ❤
Dinner ready, goes to utube, Mark Felton uploads, I watch to learn more history to study
Thanks Mark, love your videos, so informative ❤
As a new subscriber, I have to say this is the best history channel I have seen on YT and the content is very professionally produced. The only criticism I might have is that the overly loud dramatic music stings are wholly unnecessary. Your reading gets the point across, if more subtly, just fine.
Thank you again, Doctor. You never fail to impress.
Your works are perfect doctor Felton. Thank you so much 🎉🙏
The dramatic music got me every time 😆😆😆😆 Well played sir....well played.. 👏 👏 👏
Seriously very exciting this was 25 minutes. Bravo Dr. Felton
Dr. Felton, you will never understand the elation I feel when I see a new video put out by you. The quality and thoroughness of your content is superb. 👍🏻👍🏻
You absolutely rotten tease, Mark!! When is the next plot to be revealed? Brilliant detective work, thanks.
These are always good.....very enjoyable, well researched. Thanks
Fascinating! Thanks for posting.
Always a favorite!As a documentarian,your presentations are always compelling and enjoyable!Keep up the good work,sir!
Another great video, Mark!
Its so hard for me to believe all these years later your still producing material that is interesting. amazing really.
Neumann from ur pics look sinister n cunning ! Kudos for ur very informative upload. Anticipating ur next one. Peace
Another great report & I thank you ❤❤❤
Another belter Dr Felton, as soon as I saw it was 25 minutes long I knew I would get peace for my dinner this evening... "are you watching him again" she said... I advised her that Coronation Street was about to start so into the kitchen you pop and watch it there if you please...
Inflatable dolls are easily moved huh
Fascinating. Great episode 👍
Very well researched piece of historicity here Mr. Mark Felton. well done.
Outstanding. Thank you, once again.
Thank you,Mr Felton. I haven't heard mention of this in some years, and I always thought that it was a clear indication of how that awful war never really ended. You've done something here that has been needing done for a very long time. Good on you, sir. 🏅
In it's own way neither has the American Civil War. At the moment it's reverted to politics.
Ok after a hard night shift I have this to look forward to, thank you!
Excellent historical presentation as always sir, Bravo 👏
So you're telling me Mengele could have seen The Boys from Brazil?
Yup
It's pretty obvious the film makers weren't worried about him coming out of hiding and suing them for libel! 🤣
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 hahaha 😂
Or at least read the book first published in 1976.
That would have been interesting lol
Dr. Felton, I have a serious question for you, if I may. As there is only so much data regarding any subject, how are you able to continue coming up with new & intriguing documentaries about WW2? On a side note, I am a huge WW2 European Theater nut & I have been a massive fan of your work for a very long time. You always ask the right questions & provide logical & factual explanatory answers. I honestly have never watched one of your videos & left with any unanswered questions. How you don't have a show on the Discovery Channel or BBC is beyond me (truth be told it's a crime!). Respect, unwavering support, immense gratitude & love always from the USA my friend! 😇 🇬🇧🤝🇺🇸
He doesn’t want you to know about his time-machine.
@@fredblonder7850 I knew it!
The B.B.C., Ha ha ha. They only do made up history now.
Democratic nations usually have a period after which top secret documents are declassified and made available to scholars and researchers to study, the length of the period depends on the nation and the documents in question. Documents have been released after 70 or 150 years. Some particularly sensitive documents are never released. Documents concerning Ultra were never meant to be released, the British and Americans wanted to keep them secret indefinitely, but after its existence was exposed they relented and allowed historians access.
some have said plagiarism. I have no idea as to the veracity of such claims
Thank you mark for all your hard work and research
Great professional video as always. Eric “winkle” Brown mentioned the fourth reich plot when he was shown a load of nazi memorabilia after a formal dinner somewhere in Germany after the war -frightening.
Super detailed, outstanding as usual Dr. Felton! Thank you. Dr. Naumann's book, Nau Nau gefährdet das Empire is available today but only in German. I was wondering if you had read it and does he address his escape from the bunker and any new insights into those days? My high school German precludes me from reading German well enough to tackle his book.