Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio vs Veloce | Alfa Romeo Giulia Veloce Long-Term Test, Episode 5
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Alfa Romeo developed Giulia range from top down. QV was first and "Lesser" cars are derived from there, so it's no wonder that whole of the family is epic.
Actually Ferrari had quite a hand in the design... And yes the chassis of the giulia is epic, just the lesser cars are a bit less on the parts side... Still even the slow ones are some of the fastest cars if you need to handle a corner at speed...
they look gorgeous, my brother has a Veloce 280hp! i have still my BMW3, but as soon as i will find a cheap used giulia i will buy one!
@@Ezekiel903How is his Veloce doing now? Any problems or buyers advice? Thanks!
The only issue of my QV is that if I “stretch” the first two gears at third I reach 200km/h and I may loose the licence
🤣🤣
You will already have lost the driving licence anywhere in USA & Europe (except perhaps Germany)
i don't see a problem with that ( lost mine 3 times already ) .... :D:D
But that is not the car fault, but the traffic rules that is wrong.
Dont try to loose in Switzerland Bro 😢
My Giulia is my daily driver. I live in the snow belt in the USA (Nebraska), and I wouldn't trade my Q4 for a Quadrifoglio, even if they cost the same money. I need the all-wheel drive and with gas prices now, a 2.0L is the perfect car! In fact, it's the best car I've ever owned.
True. The q4 drives on snow like it is asphalt.
@@livolas The Q4 is fantastic in foul weather. And power can be more of a liability than an asset on slippery roads, especially applied to the rear wheels with "all-season" tires. I love the QV as much as anyone, but as an economical four-season trooper, I think the QV is the inferior car, for me, at this time and place.
Love my modified q4 Ti sport
HAs it been reliable? Are the brakes rubbish and can they be replaced? Some view the Stinger as better driving? Thoughts?
@@Ben-bs4od It has been extremely reliable. The one and only problem I and my wife's Stelvio have ever had were the OEM batteries. Easy to replace, under warranty, and no other problems since. The brakes are excellent. They felt a little odd at first, but you easily get used to it in a few days. My wife's Stelvio is both heavier and gets driven in the city more than my Giulia, and she was just told that she has 30% brake life left at 54K miles. Pretty good, I think. We are both in our early 60s, and we've had a lot of great cars. Usually European and usually leased. These are the first vehicles where we've bought our leases out to own them. They are gorgeous to look at, inside and out, and have cat-like reflexes that make them a joy to drive. I can't speak about the Kia, but both of our Alfas have over 50K miles on them now and if our cars were stolen or totaled, we'd immediately go back to the Alfa Romeo dealer.
1yr into my first Alfa ownership, the QV, previously a BMW man to the bone, but this QV is epic, completely and utterly in love with it, I doubt I will ever sell it, finish paying for it, then keep it ! I have driven a Ferrari 458 on track in anger, and also my QV, and I really would say this QV is just how you would imagine a 4 door Ferrari saloon :)
4yr into my first Alfa ownership (Stelvio QV), previously a MB man to the bone (my last two cars were a SL55 AMG) …. :-))
I have owned my Veloce ( with adaptive dampers ) since 2017. Absolutely adore it. Given real world use I still think the Veloce is the sweet spot in the range. I don’t do track days , so the extra grunt of the Quad would only result in entering licence losing territory that much quicker. Issues ….. sunroof jammed open in France ….. car 2 years 11 moths old …… ALFA dealers could only look at it 6 weeks later ….. £480 to be told that the roof is jammed !! And £4,500 to fix it !! 😱🤢🤮 Webasto ( the actual suppliers of the roof ) £ 680. 👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 and the tech told me all Alfa’s Fiats and Jeeps suffer this …..some genius does NOT use thread lock when fitting the roofs ….. result guide wires go pop !! A couple of months ago garage in Florence managed to kill the mirror repeater. ALFA £480 + Vat !! You have to buy the whole mirror. €30 new arrow repeater from Italy. Being the president of the D estroy It Y ourself society , it took me 20 mins to replace the broken one.
2 years of sunroof is nice, my BMW broke on next day and bmw service told it must shutted downed and never used in future
As a QV owner for 3 months now, I absolutely love mine. The difference between eco (with valves closed) and Dynamic/Race, it's completely two different cars. Able to achieve 30-35mpg in silence and comfort, whilst also being able to live on the limits of the redline in a symphony of noise, at the touch of a button. I came from a BMW M2 and find this handles just as well, if not better, whilst having 5 doors and all of the other abilities too. If you're looking to get a QV, I'd make sure Michelin PS4S/PS5's are fitted, or get them fitted pretty quick, and I'd also fit an exhaust valve controller. My favourite thing about the car is the noise and it's a shame you have to turn on Race mode, disabling TSC, just to hear it throughout the rev range when stock. The car gets a lot of positive attention on the road, at fuel stations and when parked up - people love it, even if they don't know what it is. You can get a second hand QV with all the bells and whistles, with around 20k miles and a couple years old for £40-50k - which with the same deposit shown in the video would get you monthlies of £550-700 with the right broker (I used Charles & Dean but recommend Magnitude Finance for 6.9% too). Absolute steal of a price for what you get.
Until you're out of warranty and something goes bad. Then it quickly turns from your dream car into an absolute nightmare money pit. 510hp from 2.9l with that biturbo setup and all that modern efficiency and emissions crap really pushes the limits of what materials are able to withstand for much longer than warranty lasts. And it is not like an italian classic car from the seventies or eighties with a simple, mostly mechanical engine construction, that can always somehow be fixed with a bit of time and knowledge. I only have 2.0T giulia and the amount of hoses and wires surrounding the engine block are shocking. In accordance to todays conception of repairability and maintenance, having the powertrain consisting of large non-serviceable encapsulated components, a simple repair is not like in the old days. Plus alfas are true unicorns in the wild. So repairs are high$$$. Now having even two cylinders more, a second turbo and an even more complicated engine construction, more and extremely rare, expensive components that can go bad, was enough to convince me to go for a fresh four-banger instead of a high mileage quadrifoglio. If you cant afford it new, you cant afford to maintain it used.
Very true! But need a massive brave pill when out of warranty. I am shocked by the current finance prices. My 18 plate QV was costing me £800 a month with £5k down and then I was in positive equity when I handed it back. £1300 a month is an absolute joke. The second hand market will be flooded with these when they are due the 36k (£1500) service as well...
@@Mauritius200I appreciate how you and scepticfrog think. All wheel drive and adaptive dampers sound to me like a recipe for expensive repairs in later years.
My M3 comp is just as brutal. The only knock is the engine sound. The bmw is too well made. Talk about ultimate sleep mode when it’s in comfort. Push the pedal and now we have the loud and brutal beast it can be. Go drive one (G80). Still both are supremely rewarding cars
@@Mauritius200life begins at the edge of your comfort zone.. enjoying mediocrity isn’t for everyone
Love my MY2020 Veloce, such a well-rounded car. QF is sensational of course, but for every day, with the Veloce you rarely feel short changed. And that steering, ride and handling - just wow. (And nice review. )
Brilliant review, thanks. I’ve owned the Veloce in Stromboli Grey for 4 years now and I still absolutely love it. I drove the Quad when I was test driving to buy and whilst yes, it’s such a sweet engine and package, I couldn’t justify the extra spend and maintenance costs given I wouldn’t be able to enjoy its potential as much on the road without losing my licence. I found the Veloce to be such a sweet ride with enough power to have some fun so that’s my synopsis. Kind of similar to your review.
Great video and comparison! I’ve owned a 2017 and a facelift 2020 Veloce and do fair amount of business/personal mileage. The 2020 changes make the car easier to live with day-to-day (dynamic cruise, touch screen, improved slow speed steering) but the driving dynamics are much the same - excellent! I get 35mpg on my regular long (250 mile) motorway/A-road run in Normal/Eco modes and 23-28 on a spirited A/B road blast in a mix of Normal/Dynamic modes. The QV is my dream car, but for standard driving on UK roads the Veloce is damn near perfect and the 8-speed ZF gearbox is a delight to use. Plus the Giulia looks SO good compared to other equivalent makes and is a little more exclusive.
I drove the Alfasud Ti for 15 years because it was then, by far, the ‘best’ small car design available. Great to watch your comparison, learn how superbly the QV compares to its peers-and find that Alfa Romeo remains faithful to its heritage by still making such exciting, exhilarating machines!
This is a really good, very well presented video.
Wonderful review. I love them both ❤
Great review, and still relevant one year later.
I have the TI Sport AWD with performance and sport packages. I found, much like other Giulia 2.0 owners, that the car really deserves a few quick and cheap upgrades to make it come alive: 1. Pedal Controller - really changes the throttle response characteristics and 2. JB4 Piggyback Tune - it gives the car that extra 30hp and 50tq that you mentioned in the video. It really makes the car what it should have been out of the factory. The best part is that the power is delivered the full duration of the powerband, which fixes the top end issue.
What about fuel economy? How has that differed
@@danieltercero89 I'm sure there was a bit of a drop but I've never really kept track of fuel economy that closely. I have a bit of heavy foot and keep the car in dynamic most of the time. I'd bet if you kept it in "A" setting you would still get pretty close to stock mpg.
Would you recommend the pedal controller first or the jb4? Also which pedal controller do you have?
@@N-youodd the pedal controller first, cheaper and changes the way car drives everyday, so you'll likely appreciate it more every day. Madness Go Pedal.
Does the JB4 Piggyback Tune void the warranty?
Great video. Very well presented. I've got the Veloce, have driven the QV too. Adore the Veloce. The QV is more a one night stand than a long term partner. And yeah the traction control is a bit annoying sometimes in the Veloce. You can tell it would be fun with it off, but tbf, driving 90mph around a roundabout as smooth as silk is pretty impressive too.
Awesome video thanks for the comparison..given your feedback on the veloce engine would you consider doing videos on mods to make it your dream engine? This could inspire a lot of us veloce owners
Had both myself, starting with the Veloce in 2018 and then into the Quad in 2020. The Veloce is a great car, absolutely loved it but the Quad. You described the differences very well but, for me, there is something else. Something else that I can't describe, or articulate, but just something, some feeling that washes over me when I get behind the wheel which makes everything better. Unfortunately took a new job with a 1k mile commute each week so had to sell the Quad, after 3 months I still think about it every single day and regularly watch videos to take me back to the 'good ol' times'.
Why did you sell. The 1k mile commute is even more reason to have the QV!
@@theLEGOguy22 Would cost around 1.6k per month for just fuel alone! If I could afford it I absolutely would but it was already at the top end of my budget :(
@@pentegal Aww man😭💔
😕 similar story.. cant wait the day..
Unfortunately I have the opposite problem. I have a veloce and only drive ~5,000mi per year. I want, and will buy a QV next, even if it’s utterly pointless
Great video, I will go for the QV now! Thanks! Pascal from the Netherlands.
Perfect and brilliant review…im trying to decide between the 2
Great review
Great video and critique. Definitely interested in the Veloce
Thanks!
Really good perspective on the comparison between the two cars. A big thumbs up.
Thanks!
Very good, congratulations, nice video. I own a Veloce, because the Quadrifoglio was unreachable for me. However, the Quadrifoglio I can not get it out of my head. You could also have mentioned the brake by wire system, which no other car has. Also other features of the Quadrifoglio, for example the active front slpitter. Or real aerodynamic elements and not just aesthetic ones. However good, you gave me passion.
Thank you! My 159 is getting old and should get one of these, to be honest might also consider the 200hp petrol...
I have a Quadrifoglio and it’s a superb car with an extraordinary versatility. Back in the days I had a 156 V6 2,5, and for me it was an exciting car. It’s the last car of its kind. And we know that’s the next generation will be electric… buy one before it’s too late !
I leased a Giulia Estrema last year and it's been an incredible car. The handling, the steering are the best I've ever experienced, and the engine is definitely no slouch in the power department. However, after several months I found myself longing for a better sounding engine with more power. I always look back at my car, as it's gorgeous and I know how special it is. But its looks, its chassis and the overall package do demand more than the turbo 4. It's not all about the power - I would take an NA V6 producing roughly the same amount of power but with lower torque just to enjoy the sound. The biggest miss for Alfa was not having an in between trim with a turbo V6 that sits in lower price range than the QV. They also should have provided a much better factory exhaust on the 4 cylinder to improve the sound. Based on these minor issues I am moving to a QV in May. I just couldn't resist once I heard the news they are ending production. The Giulia chassis deserves a proper sounding engine that's all there is to it.
Can’t remember if I commented already but I love this video and my GQV so much I wanted to say that it is in fact worth double the price 💯
I have owned a Quadrifoglio for over a year now and there are a few things that you missed. The first is that the stock tires are no use for normal driving. You don't need road tires that only work when they are warmed up. The engine is quite laggy off the line. In stock form, the throttle mapping is too aggressive on light throttle applications. Finally, the brake by wire takes a bit of getting used to. I have put a tune on mine to fix the throttle mapping, I also changed the brake pads and tires. This is by far the best car I have ever owned. The whole drivetrain is a masterpiece.
How has the reliability been for you? Only thing putting me off swapping my FK2 for one
@@pudgerfladgey there will always be people who are convinced alfas are somehow cursed with breaking down every other day. In reality, they are just like most other cars if you maintain them.
@@pudgerfladgey I owned a QV for 2 years (see avi) and, despite a few quirks, I ADORED it. @Ricky's comments are spot on, too. As for reliability, my car didn't see a dealership except for normal servicing. I did replace the tyres with Michelin's though :-) The Pirelli Corsas are unbelievable on track, but almost useless on cold, damp days. I am definitely thinking about a Veloce now though, as I can no longer afford another QV
@@pudgerfladgey I had my Giulia Quadrifoglio for nearly 3 years and hands down it was the best car I ever owned (includes my e39 M5, e92 M3 & more recently the launch edition M2 all of which were great cars). It went in for it’s annual service and that was it (no reliability issues). All I would say is I didn’t trust my car to an Alfa dealer and always had it serviced at an independent specialist.
What pads and tyres have you fitted? Mine (stock) are both nearing the end of their life.
I agree with you 100% having driven both, I don't think the Veloce is a let down in any sense
Brilliant review, QV owner and this hits the mark
Thank you!
One thing you might point out is the quadrifoglio weighs 3850lbs while the non sunroof veloce with active suspension weighs 3540lbs which really does give a lightness in the veloce that isnt matched by the qv.
Mad considering half of the quad is carbon fibre too. That engine must weight loads.
Its a nice change to see an unbiased review towards the Italians! Truly fantastic car and severely under rated. It's a shame. Great video!
@ Michlep Yeah, when you listen to reviews of Alfa Romeos in german or other non-italian channels, there's always some 'nice, but...the reliability', 'but the entertainment system', 'but the low resolution camera', etc. Alfa's are driver's cars, if need a game console I'd buy an x-bos or a PS... or a Mario Brother gameboy ;-)
We own a 2022 Stelvio Veloci and love it. Fun to drive almost as nice as our Maserati Levante
Great review of both cars. I have a 2021 Base Giulia and I find it an amazing ride. I flirt with the Quad but I honestly don't know what I'd do with all that horsepower in my real world environment.
The 210 diesel or 2.0 petrol is more than enough. Just I don't likes the petrol, is strong and powerfull but without revs and character.
This video makes me pretty happy I got a veloce with adaptive suspension
Very nice video! I have a MY2021 Giulia and I have to say they did a great job with fixing tons of issues after 2020. 280hp on this car are plenty, because is lighter than the QV and because the chassis is a Masterpiece, with the 50-50 distribution. I have a few friends with the QV but I never drove one yet. I know the QV is a lot of fun and excitement, but if you do not plan to play with your toy on a Track quite often, it is very difficult you can really push down the 510hp to a use, even in back roads. On the other end, i am able to enjoy my 280hp pretty much to the limit very often on back roads, and hell is nice :) It is true, the Giulia non QV is a lot of fun between the 30 and 90 mph, but obviously as soon as out pass the 90 mph, you know you are going to miss the extra boost the V6 is giving you. With that said, I have nimble accelerations on the highway and i find myself easily at 120mph even with the 4cil in line, I just have to downshift 2 gears if i want to take off as a rocket :) Bottom Line, i LOVE the Giulia, when my leasing is over in a couple of years I may evaluate to look for a USED QV, if I find it at an effordable price, it may be the right way to go :)
I agree with your comments regarding the Giulia Veloce. I"ve had mine from new 2017 and had no issues and the car is fast enough and acceleratres very quickly when driven manually. i've left many, many cars behind when i down shifted a couple of gears and took off like lightning when on the motorway, they get a big surprise when they come up behind me! Love my veloce!
Love my Veloce - have to admit, I've never felt the need to turn the ESC off myself. The only perplexing thing for me is that the difference between "A" and "N" is very small, but the shift from "N" to "D" is night and day (didn't realise that metaphor until writing it...). QV looks spectacular, but I barely push the Veloce's limits 99% of the time.
And that's the best point; 60-80 MPH surge happens in a breath...stupid fast, especially in D mode. As much as I want the Q, I just don't have - or see - a need for it.
The Carbon seats are Sparco, not sabelt. If you haven’t driven the car with them for comparison then you should, they are absolutely fantastic and completely change the feel of the car and the specialness of the cabin. I actually find them far more comfortable too! I will add that as with most cars, driving one with the ‘right spec’ makes all the difference. Having driven a lower spec one with the comfort seats, no ceramic brakes and no HK audio vs one the Sparcos, ceramic brakes and HK etc it makes a huge difference. I’ve not driven a veloce yet so it was great to hear the differences and that it’s a very good compromise for the price. Well done Alfa 😁
Great review. 2 months ago I sold my Alfa Romeo Stelvio Veloce and bought a Stelvio Quadrifoglio. You really mention the difference I also noticed. Everything is just a bit better. Gearbox, dampers, etc. etc. Especially the differences in drive modes are great. The Race setting, is really, really hard. Sound, damping, reaction time, etc. But in A mode, it's just a big lumpy companion. It's absolute freaking amazing. A jekyll and hyde car!
I had a giulia QV then sold it and honestly missed the engine, handling and sound, test drove a Stelvio QV and knew it was mine, what a machine and is an amazing all arounder
I have the 2022 Ti and its an amazing car. Pretty much a Veloce without the upgraded seats and 19 in rims.
Tried a chiptuned 2.0l with 310hp and 520nm. Felt crazy fast. Can't imagine how a QV feels like 🥴
What tune was this?
Recently purchased a 2022 veloce, the qv is a Beauty
I am currently on the market for a used Giulia. Test drove a Ti Sport and a QV. No question the QV offers something untouchable by anything in it's segment or below. Due to the responsible adult in me, I'm choosing Ti Sport. It is still very capable and gorgeous. Did not want to be another c class/3series on the road. Here in the US Giulia's are still very rare. No way I will ever use 500 HP daily or enough to make it worth the purchase. Plus gas is torched and tires shaved quickly with QV I'm told. Planning on buying a home and vacationing more often > buying QV.
Hi, the veloce diesel, the fun will be lower? tks
A good, sensible video. I’ve had an M240i xdrive which was quite quick but since BMW are now just soulless household appliances, I want the Giulia. I can afford the QV but I wonder if a guy like me, with just and ordinary drivers license and just a few days or racetrack instruction, would be safe in a car with that kind of power and performance. I’m thinking of getting the Giulia Competizione or Tributo Italiano instead because those have adaptive suspension.
I love Alfa's had one consequtively since 1996. Would love either of them.
Alfa came back on the later giulias and corrected the wind noise. So it's not just your car. My car does it too. Some models have thicker glass which reduces the wind noise. Either way these cars are phenomenal
The mirror wind noise got fixed with first lift, the qv you tested is surely post-lift (area around shift knob). The biggest question is that with Veloce Ti you get Q4 and mechanical LSD at the rear so it might be actually reliably faster in bad weather.
We don’t get the Q4 in the UK unfortunately!
I've owned 2 Giulia's....I went for the 2.0 Veloce models as the QV is just too expensive. But these are terrific cars!
Quick and precise steering with no understeer are very rare attributes now days.
Oh my god YES the dead zone in the steering!!! It's not just me who's noticed that 🤣 I'm twitching all over the shop thinking hang on it never used to be like this in any of my other cars 🤣 so much more playfulness in these
The carbon seats are made by Sparco in Quadrifoglio (Sabelt in GTAm). Since they are thinner, they offer more rear leg room. Weight of the car is far from 1500 kg (this was stated by Alfa as a dry weight of Quadrifoglio with manual gearbox - no longer in production), real life weight is slightly over 1700 kg without the driver, so G80 M3 isn't actually that much heavier. Gearbox is ZF8, so the same as in G80 M3 and RS4/5, but it seems to indeed be programmed better.
I recently picked up a QV and test drove the g80 m3 (non x-drive) back to back at the time. Whilst I agree the actual kerb weight isn’t as different as some make out - the m3 felt significantly heavier on the test drive. Still a great car and I’ve always had BMW’s but the QV felt more engaging.
@@v1ktos Giulia feels lighter than it actually is, no doubt about that. One of the main reason for this is its sharp and fast steering, something a G80 isn't able to match. Although I haven't driven the G80 M3, people that did, usually state the same as you - Giulia is indeed more engaging to drive.
@@serpenthx Yep the steering and chassis control definitely make it feel very light/nimble. I wish the M3 retained that like the old school versions - still a fantastic machine which I wouldn’t say no too!
That is an accurate comment. Though I want to add the fact that later models got heavier due to the carbon roof got exclusive. I also heard the rumour that those early seats all where manufactured by SPARCO not only the advertised carbon buckets, never found evidence in my car though…
@@thechristiansens7543 Maybe, but Sparco carbon seat appear to be only slightly lighter compared to standard sport seats. Yes CF roof is optional for 2 years (depends on the market), and is no longer painted in body colour, but its exposed clear coated CF.
How do you review that car in the rain, weather always sucks there
Alfa Romeo forever ❤️❤️❤️🇮🇹❤️🇲🇽
Completely agree that we should be able to switch de ESP off on the regular Giulia. It would make a lot of difference for some of us that take it to the track once in a while.
I had my Veloce mapped, gives it the extra kick you feel it needs. You can also install race mode on them quite easily if you know what you're doing. I'd love a QV, but I just don't feel I'd get the most out of it / it'd get me in trouble 😂
What mapped do you go for? Full tune or piggyback?
@@N-youodd Celtic tune
How much does the remap cost ?
Brakes: see Jayemms AR Stelvio Veloce review in September 2022. Exactly the same issue in the SUV sister vehicle. Fly by wire braking. There is no mechanical hydraulic connect between your foot and the calipers
I've had a Veloce for 9 months, MY2018. It's on 18 inch wheels with non RFT's. Absolutely, as an ex racer I'd love a QF but sadly with fuel prices the way they are and the increased running costs It's not an option. Strangely I don't miss having a manual, the 8 speed is outstanding and never feels wanting even at 10/10ths. In fact it's so good I rarely use the paddles. Of course the best aspect is the ride and handling. I'm lucky enough to live close to a lot of relatively quiet, challenging roads, some of which are less than smooth. The Veloce deals so well with them and never throws you around. You can drive it right to the edge and it still remains composed although it will definitely understeer when you're at the limit. No issues with brake feel although on downhill fast sections they will start to grumble and overheat. Traction in the dry is really good, a testament to the sophisticated suspension set up. In these days of car cams, unmarked police cars and PC, opportunities for hanging the tail out are fraught with paranoia, so I don't really miss having that option. You will have to drive very carefully to get over 30 mpg and the fuel gauge is not exactly linear - 3/4 showing is in reality close to half. The steering is excellent and the initial quickness soon feels natural. The build is not up to German standards but not flaky either. The parking sensors don't work, it had a battery draining issue which turned out to be the infotainment head unit and the rear discs were corroded. The last two are known issues. The nearside headlamp has a leak - also a known issue.
No problem on my 2018 giulia. None in fact. Sensors work No foggy / wet headlights. Everything works.. :)
@@justacomment1657 50 mpg too ?
@@markbroadheaf1593 don't know, what's 5.6l/100km in imperial freedom units? I do have the 2.2 diesel... The petrol would ruin me probably
2020 and onwards had massive interior upgrade and much much better sound insulation. Also, OF might have double layer windows as well. The difference is staggering.
Both these cars are post update 👍
@@ParkersTV is it? To me, Veloce looks like before 2020 update - no door panel stiching
Great video but is there no letter "I" in the English alphabet? It's Quadrifoglio not QuadrOfoglio...QuadrO is a picture frame in Italian....but like I said Great Video!
By far, best looking sedan in market. C'mon, without thinking about money quadrifoglio all the way!!
I have a 2017 Q4 Ti Sport with LSD, active suspension. As others have said, getting the right spec is essential and I custom ordered this car. I have also added a throttle pedal amplifier and Eurocompulsion engine remap for about 320hp and much more torque. The EC tune also remaps the transmission and ESC program, resulting in smoother and faster shifting and less aggressive ESC intervention. I also added QV staggered wheels with summer rubber. The key to making a Veloce ESC not intervene is to add traction with tires, Q4 and ESC mods. This setup is nicely matched and makes the power and chassis feel perfectly balanced. I also have 45k miles with excellent reliability
I’ve the Q2 diesel, throttle response was awful, understear bit meh. Rechip solved the throttle response also the added 50bhp is very nice. 300 threadwear tyres fixed the understear. Massive shame the traction control kicks in before the diff can wind up. 😢
The Giulia chassis is all about the same. But the Quadrifoglio version makes a huge difference in the setup, even not considering the engine. If you consider the engine in the equation, oh my god, the Quadrifoglio is simply a must have.
Very interesting vehicles and excellent comparison but what year model(s) are we discussing? That info should always be in the title.
2022
BTW... You say... If Ferrari had build a super saloon, it would be like the giulia... Guess what.. It's not only the engine in the QV that comes from Ferrari... The giulia was developed by Ferrari for alfa romeo... 😅 They build the QV first and then striped it down to make the more normal cars, retaining the awesome chassis, and suspension geometry... About 90% of the aerodynamics... The aerodynamics are Ferrari The suspension is Ferrari The lightness The 50/50 weight distribution The carbon prop shaft... BTW: Take your Veloce to a decent remap. You will not regret it. You can alsow fit the race mode option... To get rid of the ESC... -
The Giulia was not developed by Ferrari. They have better things to do in Ferrari than developing a car for Alfa Romeo. There were Maserati and former Ferrari engineers involved in Giulias developement but Ferrari itself did nothing except of providing the access to their wind tunnel.
@@DonViToCRLNE OK if you say so. I guess I heard other stories... Whoever build it it was someone who know how fast cars are made...
@@justacomment1657 exactly. Maserati and former Ferrari engineers.
Did you get an average MPG for both? Great video 👍
Veloce - 32mpg average. QV - 23-27mpg average.
@@ParkersTV 32mpg? Wow I get 23mpg on my 71 veloce.
@@N-youodd I get 28mpg on average in my 21 Veloce for most weeks. A mix of sat in traffic, 'spirited' fast A roads and some 'relaxed' driving with wife sat next to me :). A lot less than the 48mpg I am used to getting over the years in BMW diesels, but boy, even at today's fuel prices, worth every penny!
@@N-youodd I get between 16 and 22 on my 2017 Veloce, I drive it right 😆
Delicious car
I own the Giulia Veloce here in the States and it's been nothing but pure bliss for 4 years (and counting) now. Though admittedly I've always wondered what if I were to sell her to upgrade to a certified pre-owned QV?
As a recent Veloce owner I’m glad to hear that. Looks like I’m going to have a good time.
@@bogdanieczezbyszka6538 it will get better every time you drive her. Be prepared for unnecessary paths to and from home to find b-roads 😄
Most beautiful saloon car in the world!!!!
I own a 18 ti sport love it but horsepower needs more fersure but still love it for a 4banger
Why would you want ESC when in race mode though? It’s designed for track use where you don’t want any. For the road Dynamic is more than enough though is highly torque limited in 1st and 2nd to stop it breaking traction
It’s more that you don’t get the choice when there’s no real reason to take away the option. For example, some users may still want the ESC on while on track, especially if they’re learning.
@@ParkersTV I get that people might want it on whilst on track, if that’s the case then Dynamic is great. It’s torque limited in 1st and 2nd so you don’t waste any power spinning up the rears but also have a relaxed safety net if you need it. Race mode is exactly that, it’s for drivers that don’t want any aids (though later cars do have a little ESC interruption even in Race) and want to get the most out of the car. I think there should be a button, similar to the suspension button, to open the exhaust valves fully in Dynamic to get the nice noises and not have to be faced with an impending accident if your not giving 100%. That way you won’t have people having to go into race mode just for the exhaust note. There are aftermarket fixes for this but it should be OEM
Ive had my 2020 QV for 6 months. It is a dream. I wouldn't trade it for an M3 or C63s My only complaints are those that have already been mentioned. I think the TC/ESC are too intrusive in Dynamic mode. Limiting torque in 1st and 2nd gear is disappointing. I think the germans do a better job of balancing power w the electronic safeties. I wish there was another perfomanc mode bw dynamic and race which engaged the esc/tc at less than 100% My cadillac ATS-V had multiple traction/esc settings and we know the M3 has dozens of settings (too many, really) but something in between fully on and Race mode would be nice on the QVs I mean even my Golf R had 3 ESC settings (on/50%/off). Anyway, I love the car but I think this is an issue for Alfa. No car is 100% perfect but the QV would vbe SUPER close to perfect w an additional mode... or maybe just a tweeked Dynamic mode.
I do find the front a bit low on the Veloce and it catches a few ramps and entrances to garage forecourt's and car parks. You have to very careful how you cross these.
Yes, agreed!
is the veloce a Q4? I think it makes some difference and about the brakes, if you press it faster it will modulate better. at least in the 2019 model
No, we don’t get the Q4 in the UK.
@@ParkersTV I think is very different, not necessarily better, but different dynamic and performance wise! I think it can compensate somehow the lack of power against the QV model. The biggest complaint for me for the veloce is the exhaust sound, of lack of it. and the Q4 model comes with too much ground clearance, that it hurts! great video! keep it going!
I’ve had a 2017 QV for 3 years and love it. This week I had a 2022 Giulia Veloce on loan whilst my car was being serviced. A few observations. The interior updates are nice but nothing to write home about. The new infotainment is only marginally better than in my 2017 - which, apart from the stereo and streaming, I rarely use anyway. The selector is better for sure but the centre console with exposed cup holder sucks - much nicer in the 2017 with the retractable tray to hide the cup holders. The headrests in the 2020 are super squashy and firm in my 2017 The steering of the Veloce is great but the suspension set up is totally different. The biggest differences are the power delivery and the handling. The QV literally sucks the ground - you feel glued to the road and it’s a feeling you don’t get in the Veloce. The Veloce but I take a second hand QV over a new Veloce any day.
Has this been reliable for you? Thinking of getting a 2.0 turbo AWD. Is it better than a Stinger? Are the brakes a dealbreaker? Do they feel unsafe?
Yep, it’s been reliable in the time we had it!
Do you feel safe with the brake by wire system? Do you know if there is a hydraulic backup if the electronics fail? Have heard of stelvios losing complete brake function.@@ParkersTV
Had two Giulias and also did struggle with the brake pedal feel. As well as the problems and don’t give a stuff dealers.
Would you not recommend a Giulia?
Unless something has changed I believe the carbon seats are by Sparco not Sabelt.
Sparco in QV, Sabelt in GTA and GTAm.
how much high mileage can one get from 2.0L can we expect that engine to cross 100k miles/160k km without any major issues It's the same engine as the jeep wrangler so i'm asking 2.0L is from FCA Global Medium Engine Thank you
The engines for Alfa and Jeep are in the same family but are not the same. Alfa came first and has a reinforced block (closed deck). I'm not sure, but there are many other internal components that can affect performance that could be upgraded for the Veloce spec engine.
How about a comparison video between Veloce and a Hyundai i30N? Very different cars but similar price points and performance...
We are talking real cars here not through away Hyundai's...
@@stevesmith9753 say hi to the 1980s for me.
Facelift inbound.. With the mild hybrid 2.0l from Maserati
WOW IT'S A BEAUTIFUL CAR 🇮🇹 🚘 🏆🔥🐍
I assume race mode is meant for racetracks only, so thats probably why you lose all the assists..
I own a MY2022 Veloce Q4 and the car is just awesome! I'm so positively surprised. Bored by the german mainstream stuff? Try the Alfa!
I wish the veloce came in manual, so sad only the their 2.2 diesels were offered in manual transmission, can’t understand why they would make such a mistake
I have owned several Alfas and enjoyed them immensely, 2 156s and a 145 cloverleaf. Oh yes, I can hear them now, those are just rebaranded Fiats, utter balls to that I say. I was in the motor trade back in the 1970s/80s and was familiar with the 105 series of Alfas, they wer expensive for that time, you could get 2 Capri's for one Giulia saloon. We coukldn't give them away either, they rusted like nothing else but drove that way too. My Danish mate had a GTV which was a hoot, and very expensive too, we used to go around the Surrey lanes having a great time, nice car. However, I owned these cars and had the opportunity to have a go in the newish Giulia, I was seriously disappointed in it because it felt just like a 3 series BMW, I was shocked but that is exactly the car it is up against and they just made the Giulia just the same. BUGGER!
Yes the same as a 3 Series😂😂🤣🤣 thats why most of the people say it drives better and looks better. Thats why people turn around when they see the Giulia. Thats why its still winning design awards today. Thats why every journalist says its more special than a 3 Series. That why Daniel Homeyer (german car expert) said the Giulia drives better than the new M3. Why? Because its the same? Yeah sure 🤣🤣
Veloce + Remap + Spots Cat + EuroCompulsion Turbo Induction, + Spots Filter + BlueSpark Turbo Sub Processor + Straight Downpipe with muffler delete = 353+HP with 400ft lbs (542NM) of torque!
Check GOTTUNED FCA GMR-T4 400. I am already collecting money ;)
How long did you wait to be delivered since you placed the order for the gulia veloce ? I would like to know because I ordered mine last week at the exact same colour misano blue and I wanna see how much time will it need approximately to arrive
No more than a few months 👍
BEAUTIFUL CAR ALFA ROMEO GIULIA 👍🤗🌟🏆🔝
Maybe the squishy brakes are due to the "brake by wire"? I was never a fan of drive by wire (controlled acceleration) and even less of a fan of doing this to brakes
Giulia🍀 The Best Sport Sedan in the World ❤
Get a nice specced giulia 2.0T 200bhp and get a tune to 320bhp. Perfect price/fun balance!
Ferrari did make a four-door super saloon - Quattroporte.
I wish not to jump to assumptions...but I do think this man likes the QV...quite a bit.
The Veloce is an enjoyable sedan car. The QV is a brutal sedan car!. The driving is the Key compare with the german competition.
Why I see so many people commenting that they owned a QV (as in Quadrifoglio Verde)? The current name is Quadrifoglio, without verde. Get some knowledge people, at least of what you supposedly own...
Add a hybrid and a squadra tune on Veloce and You're getting 4.2sec 0-100, still having AWD. You will rarely be faster on RWD Quadrifoglio in real world. Sound on Veloce is still good, 2x less price, much better mpg, and usable in winter :D
Both cars are good. One is feistier than the other.
Is there anyone who is unhappy with the purchase of AR Giulia? I can not find it in the comments ;)
Without a manual transmission it not really an Alfa?