Who watches the Watcher?
My first video - • These KZheadrs Ruined...
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Who watches the Watcher?
My first video - • These KZheadrs Ruined...
Check Out My 2nd Channel- / @uselessgaming5
Follow Me On Twitter- / uselessnobody8
I've been a fan of them for YEARS! Honestly...I don't like the "better quality". I DO agree it is better quality, more produced, just a higher production value overall. But that's not why I watched them. That's not why their old base watched them. I actually prefer some of their older stuff, when it was just 2 dudes in a room, spliced with yellow text on a black background. They claim they're giving fans what they want...but I'm wondering who asked for it? Or did they just assume oh as time goes we have to get "better". I can't for the life of me understand why Steven joined, honestly. I love him as an entertainer, he's fun to watch, but I don't see what he adds to Watcher (no hate, just genuine confusion). He's known for going around and eating expensive things. I have NO idea why they thought he would be the person who should be asking us for money. Bro's out here eating food I could never DREAM of affording while talking about we need your money. My theory is Steven really pushed for this. Ryan probably said sure let's try. If Shane agreed to this from the beginning...I would be surprised. It's one thing to know the KZheadrs you like are rich, even if they act relatable. When they start ACTING rich...that's another game entirely. I'll stick around their KZhead to see what happens, but man, as a long time fan, this ain't the Ghoul Boys I used to love.
Yeah, I mean stuff like this is why I always keep in the back of my mind that big content creators I like are rich and probably out of touch. Lol
@@uselessnobody4178 When we start eating the rich, I call dibs on Steven. Maybe add some gold leaf, when in Rome, ya know?
Not meaning to dish dirt or talk shite, because she seems like a decent gal, but my impression is that Shane may have agreed to this because of wanting to please his wife; her core values seem to be a bit more materialistic & less radical than his, judging by her banter on Puppet History. Again, no shade on Sara, & not blaming her at all -- Shane obviously DID agree, & he's ultimately responsible for that. I'm just hypothesizing about the social & interpersonal dynamics that might have gotten Shane "Eat the Rich" Madej on board with a proposal in which all that Watcher patrons got was a measly discount on the new Watcher streaming service...
It sucks because they broke our trust. Their streamer is only for desktop, and came out of left field. I also think it sucks their Patreon members only get a free 3 month trial. And Shane's wife, Sara Rubin didn't do them any favors with her tweet whilst having 3 wedding dresses and putting down $55k on their wedding venue. I, personally, enjoyed their content better while they were on BuzzFeed. They do not put out enough videos for the streamer, their staff is bloated, and they have a studio in Hollywood. Hollywood sucks and is overly expensive.
Which sucks especially for the members that has already payed for a year long subscription on patreon
My genuine question is- aren't they having to pay for the website and the storage to upload said videos to the website? So now they have an added expense on top of their other stuff. Wouldn't it be better to just use patreon the way they are using the streaming service and not have the extra cost of a streaming website?
I wonder the exact same thing; I'm watching & listening to see if any creators address this.
This is a GREAT point actually. I have no idea what the logistics would be but it can't be inexpensive.
@@uselessnobody4178 a couple of sources on google say anywhere from a couple hundred thousand to a couple million. unsure how accurate that is. but that's kinda the price ranges I was picturing cause video storage can't be cheap. it feels like it completely defeats the whole purpose their claiming their website is for
@@uselessnobody4178 So i reached out to a friend who is currently working as website person, his website he works on only does photos BUT basically not only would they have to pay for servers, but service space AND the amount bandwidth needed if you have lots of people watching a video is not cheap either. He didn't give me numbers cause there are a ton of factors at play but basically the endeavor of running a streaming platform like they are wanting is not cheap and completely counterintuitive to what they are wanting to accomplish
I love the Watcher❤. I'm glad they recognized that they have loyal fans who don't have money to throw away
Just found your channel. You're pretty good at commentary and laying out what's going on without needing to add padding or over explanation. Keep up the good work and I hope to see you grow🤘
Thanks man. I appreciate it.
IMO, Watcher's awesome content is WHY subscribers freaked out the way they did -- at least it's why I freaked out. I thought I'd had a nice parasocial relationship with Shane & Ryan ever since KZhead recommended Puppet History to me several seasons back because of all the history videos I watch. I love some of their lower tech productions like Are You Scared & Too Many Spirits, but if they want to experiment with fancy expensive production, they can knock themselves out as far as I'm concerned. HOWEVER, if they can't AFFORD to experiment with the higher production values, even though they have a well-patronized Patreon, sell pricey merchandise, do long ad skits for their sponsors on most of their long-form highly viewed videos AND go on ticketed live tours, it seems tone deaf for them to expect their fans to shell out even more money rather than trying to figure out how to do most of what's really important to them within the rather large budget they already have. I'm glad they walked most of their initial plan back & apologized for some of it, but I'm still feeling icky about it. I haven't unsubscribed, but I'm not sure how much longer I'll stay subscribed -- I think they'll have to earn back my trust.
I watch The Watcher even back then, like I know them as Buzzfeed unsolved. I feel old
Was it a good apology 🤔 I think so... As a long time fan...it hit every mark it needed to... but... After the dog and pony show they put on to fire me as a fan ... I don't really trust them anymore, damage done.
Literally. They showed how little they care about us. The apology wasn’t for us, but to save their brand. Without the backlash they would have abounded most of us with zero regrets.
This is a fair perspective.
Also, no ukelele?
It's good enough for now. But if they try some stuff again.... Steven! This isn't a Ryan and Shane thing. You can tell by the body language in the first video.
I get that watcher fans have this perspective but Ryan and Shane had to have signed off on the decision as well. They have to hold the blame as well.