Over the last few weeks I've been using the HSK Pro 4K wireless mouse, a super tiny 28g fingertip grip mouse. Let's go through my experience in this review!
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its not small...i'd say its about average sized.
Maybe even above average
18cm
you're right, it's hella small
has a great personality
It’s not about the size. It’s about how you use it.
I am a natural fingertip grip but I never considered a smaller mouse might be helpful till now. This is interesting to me.
this mouse is a game changer for natural fingertip gripper
super good mouse, i use fingertip grip aswell, after trying gpw2 v2pro v3pro x2mini starlight12 hts mz1w np01w xew and some other mouse that i might forgot, i feel like this mouse is the end of trying new mouse for fingertip grip, one thing thats not been so perfect is that during routine use you might find your hand be a little aching
@@dummiesdummies4195 since when do u use it? If your hand is really big i can see why but mine is def not small and im totally fine. It took a few weeks to get used to it and relax fully. But now theres no going back gpro feels like a brick.
@@MikeGrau0hr oh I think I’ve switching from mz1w to this for half a year, my hand size is around 23cm, and I’m feeling a little aching is because of my aiming and using habit, I usually squeeze my mouse pretty hard or pushing them against my mousepad for better aiming, it’s just some personal habit there are definitely people that can relax and play the game well with this mouse
@@dummiesdummies4195 Why not try the Keychron M4 4k , that thing costs 69$ and other than you having to replace the skates in order to use it more comfortably I believe it is better than the HSK 4k PRO
Really love this “quickfire” review format of stuff you get in from time to time! It’s really interesting to see different kinds of tech you get to try as a youtuber, that we may not see commonly / at all. Thanks for the cool video!
That $180 price tag making me want to go all out DIY like Optimum Tech did LOL.
Optimum's mouse uses a deshelled Razer something-or-other as it's guts and that mouse is well over $200 usd as far as I recall. Then you have to take in account the material costs of the printing, even if you're just getting your own, you could probably buy two of these mice for the price.
The vlog style was pretty cool. The review over-all had a really personal feel on it. Appreciate it and noticed the effort gone into it. Not at all my kind of mouse but was interesting to see how you could evolve your playstyle and actually improve with it. That price is hard to take in, but I guess they are one of the only brands out there doing mice like this in mass.
Loving the Random Frank P-ness of this video 👍 The vlogging style was cool and honestly surprised you decided the mouse wasn't for you - but I do get it.
props for shedding light on this mouse, now that it's stable.
The ultimate gaming mouse for every aspiring 5-year-old PC gamer 👍
2*
@@hypercept huh? More ergonomic than an ergonomic mouse? Do you have scientific proof behind your opinion?
@@hypercept its really fucking good, i dont have to constantly use muscles to hover my hand over a mouse, i can use it with my whole hand absolutely relaxed.
everything just depends on your grip style. i used a relaxed claw and i absolutely need palm support and hate fingertip. but with enough time everyone can get used to any mouse
The smaller the better. Fingertip control is the only valid control method.
Best mouse ever, at first felt weird how small it was, but after using for a week it actually feels kinda large and my bros g502 feels like a literal boat.
The vlog style was nice! Thx rfp
it would be great if more things like this come to the market at a more reasonable price
Would be interesting to see this in combination with those wrist skate thingies. In my mind reduced friction from palm touching mouse mat, and increased rotation from having wrist/palm lower. Although, I should say, I have no idea what I'm talking about and am just inventing potential issues
lmao good on that disclaimer at the end haha
Hey, I have a Zaunkoenig M2K (and the M1K hehe), and those skate things. Tried it once, bug nope for me. Too many moving parts to worry about, idk.
Loving the hsk pro 4k, its the best choice for fingertip-grip. I am switching to other mouses often, just to come back at the end to the hsk 😂
19.5x9.5 hands, always used fingertip grip and after trying about 11 mice total this one just instantly took over for me, my 2nd favorite would be the hts plus classic, i am using the ace version of the hsk pro though
been using it. it was hard to get used to finger tip grip but i love the mouse now that im used to it
110% agree when he says it makes using any other mice feel huge.. even the damn hsk plus feels huge after you adjust to the pro.
best video I've seen about this mouse I'm really strongly considering it even though I have viper mini signature edition
Vlog-style check-ins were very good in this context, I think. I'm not sure I'd be interested in seeing an entire video of them, but as add-ins to something that's kind of a hybrid review-exploration video I like it. This video's structure reminded me a bit of FoldingIdea's video on flat earthers (though at about 20% the total length, obviously)
I've been using the HSK Pro Ace for nearly two weeks now and it's super comfortable. When playing fps games it feels like you're aiming with your eyes. It's definitely my favorite mouse out right now.
I only used it for few days aim not good yet might need to get used to it.
@@rasenganshimada208did you?
@@XxViPeRxGaMeRxX Yeah aim got better then went back to normal starlight 12 medium and other medium size mice.
@@rasenganshimada208 did you get cramps ?
@@XxViPeRxGaMeRxX Yeah for a long period of used I was like damn lol then I started losing my aim and grip on the tiny mice.
last time i saw our channel, you had 144k subs, your channel grew so much
I’ve wanted one of these for a while. Might but up and get one after seeing this
I used the wired version as my backup (my main mouse currently is the PMM P303) and I love the hsk sm im glad this shape has caught some traction (m1k, hsk)
Picked up a few new mice recently. Got the Pulsar X2 medium after watching Linus' review on your mouse. Wanted one of yours, but they were all sold out so I went basic black. Also picked up a Finalmouse Last Legend medium. Really liking both mice, and have been trying out fingertip grip for the first time.
For more aggresive claw grip, Randomfrankp claims that the Pulsar X2H has better stability and palm support than the Pulsar X2.
ive been using the wired version for a couple months, its so nice for OW. i play at high level and its clean
I got this mouse and played with it for about 4 months. Had a viper ultimate before. It was better at the time, even though my pinky had nowhere to sit. It would float, like I'm holding a teacup in a different culture. I got the HTX ace which was closest to this weight, and love it today. Already hitting higher scores, gonna relate it to placebo but I'm cool wit doin better either way. My pinky now helps me grip the mouse as well as my whole hand.
I really want to try the HTX 4K. I have been maining the HSK 4K pro for like 3 months now
6:34 lol that stomach growl 😂. bro was hungry. great video btw
Loving the new G wolves mice just heard bad things About the battery and QC, great video though
I have this mouse and I absolutely love it, I could never go back to anything else at this point
I used a Logitech M187 for a LONG time, but when I upgraded my laptop and lost all my USB-A ports, I had to upgrade to a bluetooth mouse (also just upgrade...). That being said, this mouse really reminds me of my old m187s. Now that I'm actually able to spend more on peripherals, I'd definitely consider changing over to the HSK pro 4, except that I hate the lightening holes. I travel often and I'm worried stuff would get in and damage the mouse.
Cant wait for the M3K
i got the ruby red one, and i just cant put it down! love it!
Just ordered one and can't wait. My logitech superlight died out on me. Been stuck using my razer naga pro for the past few weeks. This is going to feel like air to me now
Good review!
i have this. i love this mouse. made me better at fps games for sure
I just got some amazing PR tips for a very close friend of mine! LOL
I got my sora to the same weight. 29g is really something to behold
It looks like the perfect mouse for my wrist planted style. I like high sensitivity and fingertip only movement.
This mouse is on my "must try" list. For now I stick with xtrfy mz1 and it's great, but I like trying new stuff and in future for sure I will be looking for this mouse on aftermarket.
So did you finally get this mouse?
@@unholydonuts Not yet. I switched to pulsar x2v2 mini.
I just bought the x2 mini boardzy edition (sorry frank) two weeks ago and also had to get used to it. Before that I tried the endgamegear xm2we and it fit my hand perfectly coming from a g pro wireless. Gave me more control because of the support around the sides and the 20 g less weight. The x2 mini was different though. At first I was unsure if I should have bought the medium version and I had to use it for about a week before I stopped getting cramps. But now I'm really happy with it and I'm glad I didn't send it back.
This is unique Frank!
I've been using 1-3-1 fingertip grip on viper ultimate for a long time. I never liked 1-2-2 grip. Fingertip allows you to use highdpi and still have high precision and speed. Remember - high dpi and low in-game senstivity is faster
After spending a while trying to find a mouse that felt big enough to use without strain, this mouse strikes great into my soul 😂
Dude, I love the software. Just a couple of days ago I was thinking to myself, if I would make software for a mouse or other pheriperal, that I would make it very light and basic, just like this. The software I imagined in my head looked just like he old software of this mouse! Very lightweight software! love it
Yeah. This is how a standalone driver should look like.
HSK Pro is so good for aggressive fingertip grip. Recommend it.
try using a delta hub for your palm also whats the wallpaper your using?
Welcome to the 4th dimension! This is my end game and I love it on my skypad 3.0 XL
My carpal tunnel flared up the second you uploaded this video
This mouse is my favorite to use. The only issue is that the size makes it a bit cumbersome to use the side buttons, especially if you need to use them often. A moment like that though, is when I switch to my MZ1 Wireless.
mz1 is a bit too heavy compare to this
30g It's like holding onto a cloud of empty wallets
Hey it's the video you were talking about last night!
Been wanting to buy this mouse but there are no local stores that sells mice like these, im too poor for shipping lmao
What is that scale? looks cool
opened this at 1.5x speed, went to speed it up and didnt think i was working if it was already 1.5x. love the vids but i gotta watch at 2x
Man I was soo tempted, the instant I saw that price I was like OUCH
lol perfect timing im looking at buying one of these
When Frank said “Micro USB” for this $100+ mouse, I had to check the date this vid was uploaded
This is perfect for me. i have a corsair (EDIT: COOLER MASTER) mm720 mouse and i thought claw grip style mice were the best i was gonna get. I am much more accurate just using my wrists and fingertips than i am moving my whole hand around the mousepad even after trying for months its not a comfortable experience for me.
You mean Cooler Master.
@@zatozatoichi7920 You right!
Frank's experience shows that the lighter we go with mice, the less tolerable the older heavier mice become.
100% i could never go back and play with a 90gram mouse, just like going back to 60hz from 240
It's a personal experience as well.
Zankoenig M1K or M2S?
Man, I remember many years ago using a tiny netbook mouse with retractable chord and having pain in my hand after couple hours. NOTHING in my brain is letting me believe I could use a mouse this small.
I'm pretty sure it has a great personality
i got the cheaper 26gram 1000hz ACE version :) had issues at first without griptape. in the end my only downside is the mousewheel which (after a few houndret hours and on lowest debounce time!) already shows signs of double clicking. and getting used to the shape took me more than a week.^^' im using it mainly in apex legends and ive tried gpro superlight etc and its been awesome - but this is truely next level (if your hands are not too big, mine are 9x19cm). big recommendation for the small mouse from me!
I'm debating between the ace and the 4k version. I have a 240hz screen with excellent motion clarity (samsung g7) so it seems I may notice a small difference but would that be offset but the equally small weight increase lol
@@WestVirginiaWildlife im playing on 240hz aswell :P i dont think the 3grams change much and i dont think the 4k hz change much - but i havent tried it :) for me the final argument was the price tbh.
@@WestVirginiaWildlife it makes a very tiny difference in game, i dont think you would feel it unless youre really comparing those at the same time or using a testing software
THAT COLOR IS SO GOOD BUT THE ONLY HAVE IT ON THAT TYPE WICH IS NOT MY CUP OF TE
Please review the hyperx pulsfire haste 2 wireless
Hey, I think you're critique of the software is mainly superficial. I want my gaming software to be as barebones as possible. I have a pretty mid gaming PC and it's struggling enough with all the launchers I have to put up with. Seeing that software reminds me of making software in Visual Studio, Microsoft's devkit for enthusiasts and professionals alike. Yeah it might not look great, but it's also not loading in anything that isn't present in Windows 95 onwards, so I think they're a chance it could even run on older versions of Windows than intended. It's also not loading in any stupid art assets that are in 4k unnecessarily, wasting RAM because it doesn't unload it from memory when the app is minimized to the taskbar. I just would prefer it to be functional over flashy, but I understand that it's not great UI to see after having it not work in the first place.
As someone who uses RocketJumpNinjas Xtrfy mouse, I can tell you that switching to fingertip was a great choice for me but I can't see the purpose for someone like me to use this mouse because I watch a lot of KZhead as well so I wouldn't know how it would be in the long run.
2 mice
I could never. My hand naturally looks for some kind of hump to latch onto. I could feel the hand cramping simply by looking at this.
My hands are so big the average mouse is like this for me already 🤣
Cool!
wow that is tiny, I really like my Razer Orochi v2 perfect size for me.
How comfortable is it to use?
Why did this have to come out right now while I was saving to buy one from somewhere that happened to still have a few left 😩
I tried the cooler master mm720 and i didn't like it. It was too short for me lol this is even shorter..id like to try it again though and give myself more time to get accustomed to the grip
That's a claw mouse, this is not.
@@zatozatoichi7920 both short.
NGL their spare battery already looking like a spicy pillow, that thing is bulging so much.
"Everything else feels so much larger in my hand after this" Well, im buying it
When is your Pulsar X2 mouse going to be back in stock?
It won’t be
I've been going smaller and smaller with my mice, and with the latest change, I went wireless cause of a green screen mouse pad, and seeing the cable was annoying. I now use the Xtrfy MZ1, and I hold it the way I'd be holding this small mouse.. so.. I might as well go smaller.
The mz1 is a straight banger, so good, and because of that, I modded the mouse to be 47g
180 dollars is a bit much to try it out lol. I now see Cyprus is part of Europe officially, so only shipping costs should be added to that price for people who live in Europe.
That creeking though....oof
One can't even in the newest firmware add macros. In addition one can't programme every button to be whatever one wants. Even poorer software than the steelseries mouses who can't add sidescroll to buttons. The mouse itself is great. There are 6 pins on the bottom which probably should've been covered up to avoid scratching. The scroll-click is suprisingly hard to press.
Micro-USB in 2023??? Is Type-C absolutely necessary for this mouse? No. Is the lack of its inclusion still mind boggling? To me, yes. Still a cool overall concept! Might make a good little travel mouse.
i don't like how it's still using usb and not type-c, gray cables even though it's blue, the click part wobbles and the bs software BUT I'm still dying to try this mouse. hope they update this build soon.
Also the pcb doesn’t color match with the mouse shell. An ocd/meticulous detail for sure but why put in the effort of all these colors only for it to look out of place with the purple pcb. Looks hideous. Edit: and since it has holes on the top and bottom of the shell, you’ll notice the pcb and the out of place color.
@@HeyNavi hundred percent. it bothers me too so im thinking of getting the mostly black versions so the ugly pcb isn't too visible lol
I'm a fingertip grip gamer but I just bought a G pro super light :(
great another thing I need.... it never ends.
yeah lol
what are the glass dot skates you're using on the mouse?
They could be stock gWolves skates, maybe super glide glass dots or even infinity mice saphs.
i use hsk plus, the best mouse ever, i have v2 pro, 8k hertz, glorious, star light, but the hsk plus is the best for finger
I'll be more interested when they find a way to fit a numpad on the side 😎
They definitely have to work on the naming scheme
Hsk pro, hsk plus, htx, hts plus
the firmware is always setting it back to 1k polling rate.
"no these aren't the explosive units that came with the earlier models haha xD" me: um.... what?
The thing that I think a lot of people worry about that you did not mention ergonimics. Looking at how the mouse is used it looks like wrist pain can be an obvious issue + uncomfortable afetr a few minutes of wrist being rubbed on my mouse pad. And the biggest concern, carpal tunneling. So if its not too much can you tell me if people should be concered about that or not
I never experienced wrist pain with the mouse with over 3 months using it, but I switched back to my superlight recently because I started getting sharp and achy pinky pain randomly, so that could be from the mouse but most likely from me injuring my hand not gaming in addition to how I gripped it, I palm grip the superlight so obviously my pinky would get more rest naturally. Ill be going back soon tho i really liked it.
I have hsk pro ace for about a month now and I didn't experienced any wrist pain while using it. If anything I found that whether I get wrist pain or not depends on height of my chair or table.
nah have good posture and you'll be fine.
I think we've been too focused on shape is king for mouse that we've never considered lightweight and small mouse are the ultimate form of ergonomic/comfort. I have this mouse and I thought before I tried it that my aim will improve but it would not be comfortable for long gaming sessions. But instead it does both. I think its due to the fact that it is so light your finger tips only need to exert little to no force to move it and the fact that human hand natural resting position is curled not straight or extended forward. So if you use a relax fingertip grip it would be so much comfortable than any other mouse (even ergos). You could probably test this at home by resting your hand and find that your thumb and ring finger distance when totally relaxed are not far from this mouse width (grip distance). Using this feels like moving your resting hand across the mousepad.
Thank you all for the replies, love this community ❤️
I think you should realize the fingertip mice genre has a specific grip type to use with it, you don't use your middle on the mouse, it's replacing your ring and pinky. Your ring and pinky aren't required for these types of mice. Thumb and middle are for horizontal support and motor movements while only the index is used for clicking/scrolling.
People can grip this however it feels best to them.
@@randomfrankp I shouldve included "for the most efficiency and accuracy, this grip is the best". If you use something the way it's not intended to, it's obviously gonna be hard to get used to it.
No tf it doesnt have a specific grip type, you're talking out of your a**. I've been using fingertip grip for 8 years using a 1-2-2 grip and sometimes 1-3-1 while averaging 98k-103k on gridshot in aimlabs, immortal in valorant and masters in apex . Use whatever grip feels most comfortable to you, there has never and will never be a one grip fits all playstyle.
14:08 LMAO
its going to be really cool to see a reddit community for this mouse, as im guessing many members who own the mouse will sooner or later create a 3d printed accessory to switch on the mouse barehanded so you do not have to use these tools
3d print accessory vs just cutting 2 of the hexagons out
Are you willing to sell it?
Like my mom said it's not the size of the boat it's the motion of the ocean
It's perfect for my strong hand
Now I can finally tell a girl it's doesn't matter about the size, it's how you use it :') thank you!
aren't these the things that were blowing up and catching fire while people was using them..?
the irony of having such a small, light and minimalistic mouse is the huge price tag lmao