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Let’s be real here the name should clearly be Moistify.
Moistify was the first name that came to my mind.
This is the perfect name
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nah, sounds more similar to spotify rather than shopify
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Thankful to see Ludwig out of esports and glad this Mogul Mail guy is getting involved. massive W, welcome
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Good luck Aproto and Sym, you have the skills, go get the bag boys
I really like how you still support the players and coach you had to let go from the team by promoting them still. Shows where your heart is❤️ mogul on
Calling out Riot and saying that changing the system is the goal of the team is genius. It's an actual act of rebellion and gives the fans something to cheer on. A team with a narrative just beyond winning is refreshing. It will be interesting to see if other disaffected fans join under the MxS banner due to this messaging.
Some might call it an act of moist X Shopify rebellion
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts 💨
while they make the game money? last i check riot in a tencant owned chinese communist party shit show
Lid calls himself not smart with this whole business 5hing but I don't see it... I think he's doing work out there. Idgaf abt valorant or esports really(I play league but I suck and know it) but I'm so behind this shut, you have no idea.
I kinda got bored of valorant but this really made me wanna watch them play
“Like every other self respecting 28 year old, I went to Twitter to get my news” - Mr Mogul Mail
I also watched the video, yeah.
Bro are u the guy from doors community?
congrats you watched the first 20 seconds of the video
Oh, I heard 8 year old. Haha. 28 year old makes much more sense.
yea man we saw the vid too
Good luck to all our former Mogals in their new path, rooting for you
Coming from Charlie’s channel, it’s so awesome to see how you and Charlie are so committed to the space and to the players, so great work keep it up you’re doing amazing stuff
Rest in piece Moist Moguls 🫡
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts 💨
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@@p-__ i don't think so
@@p-__ My goodness what a silly reply!
For the final 6 minutes of this video the only phrase that kept repeating in my brain was "turned down 40 million" as my eyes glazed over and I slipped into a coma
yea and he doesn't have to say racist shit either lol
@@dusk2308???
@@user-xp9ef3er4l i think he is talking about adin ross
RIGHT?!!!!
It was probably by a team backed by some shady sponsor to be offered all that money, the truth is no esports organization on the planet has that amount of money, it would probably be offered as shares in the company which with the way esports are going it's going to be worth nothing in two years. Crazy spending like this is the reason Orgs like Evil Geniuses which just won Champions don't have enough money to cover offers from other teams, I really hope Esports doesn't end up like soccer where each team is backed by a different betting website
thats so poggers! im completely out of the scene of gaming that is so big yet im hecking excited for the boys on a team coz it sounds like it is legit FUN!! like the fact that they wanted to play together is so sweet and im so happy its working out for them on the logistical and money and other parts! Lud is a good dad and im very happy to see all of that its just kinda inspirational just as for a human being coz now i also feel like i wana do something cool!(obv not so big)
Would you be open to upgrading the Mogi design in a way that's not a complete redesign? Just spitballing but you could commission somebody to make Mogi more cute anime-esque, there's lots of value merch-wise in making them more kawaii desu ne~ I get the aesthetic you're going for but the inspiration from Cuphead and old Disney feels more like just a yoink instead of yoink and twist I'm sure you had a vision in mind and the artist you got was trying to fit that to a tee Doesn't have to be a super complicated design, but something with a more even distribution of colors, having more interesting complementary colors instead of blue plus black/white, potentially changing the chubby cheeks b/c it wouldn't stand out in a silhouette anyway and if you try to make plushies they wouldn't really help (this might not be a big deal though), maybe even changing to a slightly different more suitable shade of blue If you're open to rebranding the name, might as well take the time to consider changing up Mogi a bit (although if you fully redesigned Mogi I think that'd be cool too tbh). And since Shopify Rebellion isn't going to be a static partnership forever and forever, they already have their own logo so they can stick with that. Don't need to also add creating a new mascot for them too unless you feel like that's worth.
Feel bad for the players and the coach who had to be dropped for this transition to happen, hopefully they find a new home in esports soon
Sym will definitely maybe even t1, but aproto prob on a t2 team
@@hi-qz7ntnot at all sum is not good. That's why he was dropped.
@@aarong9128 sym was fifth above brawk so I dunno what you're smoking
@@aarong9128 dawg sym was not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination he'll be fine
@@aarong9128 sym being dropped was most likely mutual because he had other options to choose from that were t1 or more preferable for him personally id assume. for example flyuh said on twitter that he turned down t1 offers to stay on moist / MXS because he enjoyed working with ludwig so much. moist had 5 very solid players that had other offers and they had to compromise, that doesnt mean the ones dropped are "not good". also as lud said in the video part of this decision was the chemistry of the roster that the players themselves were building at that point. sym wasn't involved in that, which again does not me he is not good/bad, just not who they were looking to keep.
Imagine asking a team to go spend money on making their own facility, only to kick them out 2 years later. Especially if they were undefeated.
Did he do that??
@Rayyan-xv3kw no. But that is technically how the system works. If you go up, you go down after 2 years no exceptions. And if you go up you must fully furnished, staff, and pay all parties involved as if they were a properly slotted team.
@@steffanhymer1285that’s an insanely bad system. Why even offer promotion then?
Yeah they even call it a Cinderella story but make them bank roll it like a g 😂
@@Rayyan-xv3kwriot forces them to do that. Not him
This was really cool to see. Full transparency on the decision and a great explanation!
I LOVE MXS THANK YOU LUDWIG THIS IS TRULY A DREAM. I’m so happy such a good voice is here to stay in the scene. Gets me so excited for the future.
So we just gonna glance over the 40m offer to run a esports org? thats NUTS to even get offered that much
Liquid??? maybe... coz Hbox is in the same sphere as Lud... also Lud did some merch collab/modelling for Liquid... idk tho
I wonder who offered. That’s a lot of bread to pay a new ceo, especially in esports (I made this up I know nothing about esports but it sounds accurate)
@@udontknowme00I've followed CSGO enough to say that its probably an NA org, because those like throwing money around just for the sake of it. So, EG or Liquid?
@@NamuIsIdle liquid doesnt have the reputation of wasting their money
the fact that he turned it down probably meant they wanted him to sell his soul for that 40m lol
The team name should be a no brainer: Mopify, yall mop the floor with your enemies
Exactly
Ooo Mopify is fun
Mopify is good
I prefer Moistify
mopify is a good name but it feels more like a gimmick rather than a brand name
Glad to see someone pushing in lcs again. One day I hope to work there. So its nice seeing people try again/still.
i definitely think keeping the mascot is good, excited to see where this new team goes!
Bro I’m so sad for Sym and Aproto. I get what they had to do and I understand it but it’s rly sad to see them go.
it's a comp scene after all, this could happen whenever. if they got what it takes they shine no matter the team their on
Right! i understand it needed to happen and theres no hard feelings but its still sad to know the original gang is gettin split up
Aproto has always been consistent, crazy he didn’t make the cut
They were good players and I have nothing but respect for them. But if im being 100% honest, as someone who has been actively watching both MxM and Spotify rebellion last season, these changes make a LOT of sense and I'm certain this is a stronger roster than having Sym and Aproto.
@@BowlerSSF2 Haven't watched much Shopify so that's reassuring to hear
Sym and aproto are both t1 material. Hope they find a team, id love to see them keep competing
there good but i would not say t1 especially in NA where theres very few slots and FA like yay, fns, s0m, ext
Sym should go EMEA if I'm honest. There are a lot of open slots there rn and not enough talent.
@@prajwalkrishnabhat5539he’s definitely not going to emea bro, he hasn’t even played international yet
@@chetanprasad9682 well nearly a quarter of EMEA franchise players last year had also never played an international tournament before. So your point just makes an even better choice for him to go to EMEA since they always are ready to take in new talent.
They should find me a team first
Ludwig talking about this and the team, giving us the thoughts of decisionmaking is making thuis all so much more human and I love it. Investment: buffed
The full transparency with the players has my utmost respect
1:15 this sentiment is so heartwarming. I couldn't imagine stepping away from that either.
the community would be in remiss
so this essentially validated the yard boys saying moguls was a dumb name
It’s never too late for GOATs eSports
Shopify is a team I really like already, they have really awesome SC2 players and you two working together makes me really want to watch this team play.
Really excited to see Mopify play! Hoping they can make it to tier 1
Just because I like the idea of the team being shortened to MMR I'm gonna suggest "MM Rebellion" as a team name, with the MM of course being short for MoistMoguls
Good name. 👍
+1
It'll keep the antivaxxers out, that's for sure
I feel like Shopify needs to be in there. They're the big spenders in this, and they actually care about their name being in there. As that's advertising to them.
Shopify doesn't want to have their name cut from the team. This is coming out of their advertising budget and they will have to justify it. Moist has to be included to for tying it to the rest of the org and Shopify is needed for them to fund it. So Moguls makes sense to drop. But maybe Moist Shopify Mogals - MSM.
$40M offered to be a CEO of an e-sports team? That's insane. Literally they threw in like $1 million to start their own esports company (probably a lot more by now) and it's struggling financially. In a climate where many esports team are trying to get out of the industry it's amazing he'd get an offer like that. Just goes to show how CEO makes 0 sense. The value they add isn't worth their pay. You can hire competent people without paying them 300x+ a normal salary.
yeah, I really don't see how that makes sense. I doubt any _player_ would cost anything close to 40m so how come a CEO would be that expensive? And it's not like Ludwig is gonna be that much better than pretty much anyone else with the same amount of experience (or more). Maybe because he brings his audience? But even then I can't imagine it being that high. I also don't know why he'd lie about a sum like that. All in all very confusing
@Loeffellux because they wouldn't just be hiring him, they would be buying his brand too. I wager his brand is probably valued around that much
@@Loeffellux It's probably some big name that's doing a last ditch effort like Faze or smth cuz yeah I have no idea how it even makes sense
It’s crazy that when franchising was announced there wasn’t even a way at all for teams to be promoted until people complained.
Excited to see what this new squad can do!
40 million is crazy
“Moistify” would be the only other thing I could think of, But I like MxS so that way you can have both the little mascots together
Vouch
"Drop the moguls its cleaner." OMEGALUL
RIP Sym, Aproto, and now Thi9f. Miss you lads
Putting your ego aside is commendable
If only it were so simple in this case.....
Sadge, I will miss the MLEM x MLEM spam everytime Moguls were on stream! Wishing the players nothing but the best, and very excited to see what MxS will be doing!! Best of luck everyone involved!!
Wait what about MLEM X the among us twerking for MXAss
I’m glad to hear you’re still involved with the team but it’s still gonna suck a little bit losing the mogul part. Mogi and Rebel are super cute !
Glad some of the players got to stick together but sad aproto didnt make that cut, he was definitely one if the most entertaining to watch
Feels bittersweet because I have never rooted for any team and the OG roster will always be remembered. Excited for the new team tho ❤
If last year was Moist Moguls, the next iteration being Moist Rebellion makes so much sense. 1)The spirit of what Lud wants to do, “rebelling” against the ascension system. 2)Having a jersey that says Rebellion seems more edgy and fun (Imagining Mogi with a cool scar, leather jacket with metal spikes and a baseball bat lmao) Tho clearly the downside would be not having the brand name included which sucks for Shopify. MXS seems to be the obvious compromise.
It's nice seeing people do things for the passion of it.
What you said about having common goals is so true. You can never work with someone who doesn’t share your vision.
ludwig ik u mentioned the players ur dropping in the video but u should retweet their lft tweets and reply vouching for them. would help the players out a fuck ton and would help demonstrate your esports team's good will and nature
Did they separate amicably?
@@garrydimasa1964yeah he mentionned at the end of the video that they talked in person about it
What a silly take. Where do you get the idea of this "vouch" thing works in sport? Newsflash: Everyone in the professional Valorant space knows every player who are now unrestricted free agents. They pay talent scouts to hold trials for that.
@@arkain1 im been following esports across multiple tiers for years and im gonna drop a real newsflash on you bud: 1. most orgs don't actually 'know' all the players. there are hundreds of talents at the t3 level who have no exposure so this definitely can't be true on premise alone. 2. orgs knowing is an issue on its own - t2 orgs dont have the same resources or maybe simply don't have the knowledge because of lack of infrastructure. plenty of t1 orgs skipped on demon1 lmao you really think knowledge is that out there? 3. t2 orgs dont have talent scouts 9/10 times the fuck you on about. hell t1 orgs dont even pay for that. all t1 teams are downsizing, some even have their head coach serving as their GM and you really think these teams have separate talent scouts? 4. vouching isn't about saying - hey this player exists. its saying hey this player is a hard worker in a team environment. 5. even if everything i said is technically wrong by some miracle - there is 0 harm to retweet their lft with a 'vouch' or a 'he's a good kid' type tweet. it can only benefit the player.
I'm sure you already considered this, but why not just "Moist Rebellion." Feels like a natural merge of names. But I am with Lud, I love the mascot and never want him to leave!
Cause the team is advertising for Shopify. That is always going to be in the name.
@@hastyscorpion But it sounds awful
@@tomekk.1889 but it pays the bills
Wait but isn't the league team just called rebellion? Or am I just doing no research and also not rewinding the vid to see their advert.
literally mentioned in the video lmao
REJECTING 40 MILL IS CRAZY and I respect you for that.
I love TLO, he was one of my favorite starcraft players, so I'm happy to see his team and your team coming together :)
Fire vid. Great choices all around. Can’t wait to watch MXS crush.
I don’t even like watching pro valorant but I gotta admit that’s a pretty hype goal to try and achieve . Makes me wanna tune in! Good luck MXS!
no new name idea, but I have an idea for the mascot: I think you should put mogey in a green (shopify colors) suit with sunglasses and an earpiece, lookin like a secret service member or smth. and have him in that badass pose where you got your chin up and you tug at your suit jacket's lapels
6:37 “It’s not about the money. it’s about sending a message.”
as someone who is heavily invested in the valorant pro scene, this is a really good move by moist, and this team is looking dangerous. hope you guys can achieve those goals and go stomp T1. good luck boys!!
gonna miss sym and aproto but excited to see how this new team performs. i believe!
Ludwig and Charlie are my favorite esports owners. Love them forever
can't wait to see them in action!
“Before the wheels fall off this boat” - Mogal Mail
For all the ups and downs, I really respect what you do Ludwig. You give back to communities that are not self sustaining, that you came from.
"If we don't have the same goals, I don't feel free". Ludwig got that Luffy mindset fr
Bittersweet news. I'm glad that you guys have combined and that you're keeping a team together that really enjoys and plays well with each other. But also sad for those who didn't make the merge. Hopefully those players and coaching staff are able to find new positions in e-sports, and thank you for giving them shoutouts. Let's not have an EG repeat and rip apart a team who won World Champs because of a company's overspending. MxS all the way baby.
Hey thank you for covering the layoffs, It takes a lot to come out and do those things, so Im proud and I respect that character trait.
Riot's biggest failing is introducing franchising into its video game leagues and subsequently the lack of relegation. All that ends up happening is you get teams which have no real desire to win, who simply sit on their spot until it becomes more profitable and they sell it, or the game/league dies and they lose out on a lot of money. The Biggest example of that is the NA LCS. You have these great young challenger teams full of local talent like DSG, with a decent amount of fans, who will never play in the tier 1 scene together, while teams like Immortals and Dignitas compete to see who can do the worst each season, and really only make roster moves to appear like they care.
riot has yet to profit from esports and they have no shame in admitting it. they have a team that is dedicated to grow esports as a whole. it's a work in progress. you can't expect them to just figure everything out with perfect results without having experienced failure a few times. that's how company's grow and become successful. it's easy for you to sit there and say what they should and shouldn't do, but you have no idea how any of it works. "and really only make roster movies to appear like they care" , just based off this comment i can tell you're young. lots to learn, you'll get there.
@@80AM. Brother you are either from Riot or you're 5 quiet down weasel.
Valorants "franchising" is night and day different from Leagues system. Its a partnership program, not a franchised slot. If teams are consistently underinvesting, its quite likely they WILL be cut, no need to be dead last. The whole system Riot designed for Valorant is about keeping around good ORGS, not good rosters. Everyone is so incredibly shortsighted about how the system functions. I believe Tier2 needs more support, not incentives. Winning and getting the "guest slot" for an org does not guarantee their roster staying in Tier1. It functions more closely to an incentive program for teams to try in Tier2. It also adds to an orgs psuedo-portfolio they can take to riot as proof they're reliable whenever a Tier1 slot opens up (by adding new ones or a shitty org getting booted). Franchising systems have proven to be faulty with how esports runs. But this system is EXTREMELY different to how franchising actually runs. It's all about the quality of the team orgs, and honestly they have very little power or leverage when it comes to staying in Tier1.
I do really wish Riot had gone with a relegation system like the UK's Premier League for soccer/football. Bottom 3 teams get dropped to tier 2, top 3 in tier 2 get moved up to tier 1. Far better system than the current one in Valorant where an ascended team could literally win the Valorant Champions tournament and then be demoted back to tier 2 immediately next season.
MXS goes hard as a name. The branding for Moist stays consistent, and this team will challenge for great things
honestly, the new logo is so much better than the old one, looks amazing
NAH bro got offered 40m to be a ceo of a team and said “nah fam”
Yeah so? Money means nothing...it's power. And he already said he would lose power and control of his dream. Mkney is nothing
“It’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message”
My friend, you are growing and keep on being awsome. Thanks for being honest.
sad abt the death of mxm- but very excited for the rise of mxs !! cant wait for the start of the season - also: lowkey think moist rebels sounds better than mxs
I will be the first to say that I had no idea you were involved with anything aside of the Valorant team. I think this is a great move, I’m glad you’re keeping Mogi and we love Rebel!!
AND!!!!! the designs are AWESOME! can we please give it up for designer?? it looks just YUMMYYYYY great job!
very curious about what that 40m deal was 👀
Common Ludwig move to get scammed by moist
Ludwig scammed Charlie three times, then ran away instead of facing the consequences 😔
I dont speak perfectly english so for a long time when i saw Moist Esport on RLCS i thought it was a different team than your Valorant one. rly good idea to put everyone under the same lumberjack (or w/e it was) and GL to your new valorant roster!
4:00 yooo that team card looks sick asf
Sym and aproto will be missed
I really like the new branding, the mascots are cute and colors are perfect for esports.
Its crazy how parallel the story of MxM is to Wrexham FC, that Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney.
love the color scheme, definitely not biased
Great video, really interesting but...WHO TF OFFERED YOU 40M?!?!!?!
"It should be called Moist everywhere." 10 seconds later... "Now we're MXS"
Moist for all FGC players... but Valorant is the only collab...
Bro dodged the flash IRL, true gamer moment
sad to see Sym and Aproto go but i’m excited for the future
I know this is for the better, but feel bad for the people that had to be let go…
Ludwig: I am set for life Next Amazon stream: Maybe not
Moistify Rebels also sound cool, it could be short for MR too which is also the highest grade you can get in some card games
Mogi is the best mascot so i'm glad you kept them
Very sad to see Aproto go 😭, he was my favourite member of MXM, but I'm still super excited to see what happens with MXS. Flyuh, theif, and BRAWK are the goats, cant wait to see them team with Shopify's best!
Also Sym is cracked, and bless Tan 🙏, im sure they will both find somewhere awesome to join!
This mf dropped 40 mil just for his val team, exited for the live streams lud!
thanks for standing by the players
yooo watching that brawk play live was crazy
good luck to Lud and the boys on MxS!!! hope riot changes the cringe 2 year rule... gl gl
Low-key, riots goal should be changing riots ecosystem, because it's kind of on fire right now. I hope people like you and toast are given a seat at the table, because you're doing the actual work of figuring out how to make esports work long term.
so ignorant. riots sole focus on esports is to make it grow as a whole. they have yet to profit a single penny from esports (even in league of legends) and they have no shame in admitting it. pretty funny take though lol
@@80AM. That's why he's saying they should change the e-sports scene because it's non profitable how they run it. You proved his point. He is saying that they should listen to advice from the community because at the end of the day they're the ones that keep the lights on.
@@80AM. Yeah it's not really about whether Riot is making money or not. They'll probably keep losing money on it and that's ok because it's a marketing expense for them. But right now, nobody is making any money. All these VC backed orgs jumped into esports, spent a ton of money and basically got no return for it, and now a lot of them are getting out of league/valorant, or folding. I haven't seen convincing evidence that any esports org is profitable. TSM probably was for a bit solely because FTX wrote them a check, but obviously that's off the table now. Ludwig and Toast both seem to have interesting ideas about what a new model might look like, and I think Riot is crazy if they're not working with them as much as they can. The way things are going, Riot is either going to either have to fully finance the entire scene (which they clearly don't want to do), or we're going to see League/Valo esports cut back to very barebones/grassroots events (or both).
LFG!! I’m gonna try to watch as many matches as I can
this is no longer fighting for the top spot in the scene, this is fighting against the system
Moistify would be a sweet team name. You could be the “Moist-ify Rebels”
Lame
Petition to rename MxS to Moistify
mmm oooh yea that sounds nice
MXS is simple and it’s easy to know what you’re talking about, also the colors could make some pretty cool skins.
Sad to see Sym and Aproto go, they were definitely my favorites :(
First off, big supporter of Ludwig, Mogul Mail, The Yard and MxM here - viewing but also Chessboxing seats and merch, Yard Patreon when I could afford it, and repping MxM at the Riot Arena during VCT - just saying for context, hope I don't sound like I think I deserve anything. That said, I find it braindead for the first instinct here to be dropping the Moguls (the "silly" name here?) as opposed to dropping the Moist. For the dude who was offered $40m to take his leadership, branding and fanbase to another org to drop the name inspired by said fanbase, not to mention the name written on the dang merch they pushed out last minute... idk, I find it misguided and disrespectful at best. If the idea was that it felt bad and the Moist had to stay because it came first... LA Thieves it? Also would've loved to hear a bit more as to the decision making behind Sym, Aproto and the coach, but I understand that stuff is more private / internal and complicated to share graciously - just mentioning it out of personal curiosity, esp. considering the 3 of them bent Shopify over and spanked them when they played against each other. Wishing everyone the best, though, and hope to see them all succeed as I support them next season. Just disappointed to see that the commitment and pride behind the brand they created together (and with the fanbase) isn't as solid as it seemed - it'd really felt like the rise of... Moguls of the industry.