“You Support A Country That Hates Us!” - Patrick Bet-David In HEATED DEBATE With Reza Aslan
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In this short clip, Patrick Bet-David, Reza Aslan, Adam Sosnick and Tom Ellsworth discuss NIAC and the relationship between USA and Iran.
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As an Iranian-American, this is literally the debate my uncles have had my whole life. This is thanksgiving dinner for us. It never ends.
grab the WALDSEEMÜLLER MAP and look for PARTHIA, ARIA & PAROPANIS ...thats the biblical mental hospital where they all sit in
Do they ever mention how the British and Americans overthrew Mosadek, installed the Shaw, and started this whole thing.
@@goldentaco4970 all day everyday
@@ahpacific lol
@@ahpacificare you Muslim ?? 🤔
As an Iranian I love seeing two Iranians with totally opposing views and high levels of passion debate without getting bitter. Props for remaining gentlemen
Brother the Iranian people and culture are misrepresented by this ugly regime!
And high levels of intelligence. I learned a lot about Iran and have a whole lot more respect for these people. We need more of this
I don't know how gentleman they are when one was yells out f bombs everytime he hears something he dosent like
No wonder you get to put the first comment here .
As an Iranian. Patrick embarrased himself
this conversation went word for word 100% the same way two cubans who get together talk about cuba. Reminds me of hearing my stepdad talk about cuba all the time. In both countries nothing has changed since I've been born.
Same with Chinese families too! Holy moly every family gathering that turns political about the “old country” always results in a shitshow, none of these countries deserve the ‘leaders’ who are running them to the ground
But why is it? Within a mix of so many subjects is one because the American government don't want Iran to level back up?
Except they can’t have that conversation in Cuba, just like these two couldn’t have it in Iran. That’s what makes America great
Patrick thinks he’s smarter than he actually is in this debate
Care to explain
He's like this Egyptian guy called basse.....m.
Frs this guy is a clown
@@davestuddaman8127 he is literally not listening whatsoever he just assumes the response and keeps putting words into his mouth
@@mirembewinfred5353the cardiologist? Youre the fool.
I don’t always agree with PBD but what I love about him is he brings on guests that have opposite beliefs of what he believes in. He definitely believes in freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
He was tiring with the constant interruptions and needless argument repetitions though
@@89strangelove he’s from Iran. He’s passionate. If anything that guy was rude dropping f bombs every other sentence.
Why is that bad, as long as he can argue properly for what he thinks it's fine.
His stands on the murderous regime of the shah being better than the murderous regime of the mullahs was truly aweful. It's so unfortunate that some folks keep grasping for a facade that is nostalgia for the past instead of moving forward and plea for true democracy and freedom. There is literally NO room for monarchy in the POLITICAL realm. Why does he even care?? It's done and over with, get over it. He's a Pahlavist as Reza said, I have no respect for that political affiliation one bit, it truly shows a stunt in your political understanding and development and honestly makes me doubt the intelligence of anyone who still fights for the reputation/legitimacy of a monarchy in this day and age.
He served in the American military and is American and patriotic
Love to see two guys who completely disagree able to discuss something and strive to find common ground. The world needs more conversations like this
Yes NORMAL
It happens all the time, you just need to turn off Fox, CNN and MSNBC
😮 I just said the same thing I love Mr Pat
Fully agree brother. This is the only path forward for us. Even if we only find common ground on the ends, but not the means, is a great place to start. We should celebrate that and emphasize that.
Everybody says this same comment when they like someone 😂. This is normal . How do u discuss something with someone u disagree with?
Man i love how you use Farsi words ! I speak to my children the same way and this year for first time after 30 years I have one Persian student. I tell her one or two Farsi word between our conversations and it just makes my day❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
Farsi baladi , Baba. 😅 that's all I know
Forsi harf mezani?😅it means “do you speak Farsi”
@@Este819 🤣 what does that mean??
Is it you loved in this debate?
I love how the love for your home country comes through. I can tell you both love your home country especially when you guys talked about going back with your kids one day. Also your line “you can’t be that naive, you have 4 degrees, I have none” 😂😂😂 I really felt this one!!! Haha
Patrick missed the point that Reza was making about stimulating the Iranian economy and how that would help the Iranian people. This would empower the people of Iran to push for change. Patrick seems to be lost in his hatred on the current Iranian regime and his love for the United States of America.
@@DanReh thank you for your insight. I saw that too. But my interpretation of what Pat was saying is that he wanted to know how the money would get into the hands of the people. Because what it sounds like is, it has to go through the corruption of the Iranian regime and the money would not go to the people. That’s just my take on this conversation (video clip). I am definitely not educated on the history of politics in these countries. 😊
@@DanReh also just curious…what Rez is suggesting for the Iranian people, is that the same strategy the US tried to do for Afghanistan and it’s people before we exited a couple years ago?
@@Candice-Tara The strategy in Afghanistan was invasion through military force. We are not talking about military invasion here. So, it’s not the same strategy as Afghanistan. And Afghanistan was a disaster on many levels but I digress. What Reza is doing in this video is defending the JCPOA, which is the Iran Nuclear Deal under the Obama administration. Reza argues that removing sanctions from Iran is a good idea because it allows for policies that lead to the economic liberalization of Iran. I’ll give you a quick example. One of the items that is currently banned under the sanctions on Iran are carpets. So, if you are a carpet maker in Iran, you cannot sell your carpets internationally. You are cut off from the international market place. All sanctions do is hurt the Iranian people, not the government. The government is able to make money though black markets. Now the government is more powerful and the people are less powerful. It’s become almost impossible for Iranians to rise up against the government. Reza makes the point that 45 years of sanctions has made the people poor and the government rich. The policy of blanket sanctioning Iran doesn’t work. Removing sanctions gives the Iranian people access to the international market place, which leads to economic liberalization. The Iranian people start becoming powerful because they are making money and gaining capital. Patrick keeps arguing the money doesn’t go to the people. But it’s does, through these economic policies. However, these same policies also benefit the Iranian government. Patrick is completely blinded by his hate of the Iranian regime and he doesn’t see the big picture. He is complete caught up in the 150 billion dollars (which is part of the JCPOA deal, and is money that belongs to Iran anyways) going to the Iranian regime. He just doesn't seem to understand that Iran would have to pursue economic policies that would benefit the Iranian people. His "brilliant" idea having the US government stage a coup. This is nuts and will get a lot of innocent people killed.
Reza Aslan is a traitor. Plain and simple.
Patrick David was showing a lot of emotion on this interview on Iran.
Nah this just how uncles argue
Maybe 5% more emotion, dude the control he has on if you think about how attached to this he is personally. I know for a fact I couldn’t stay that composed and I believe I’m fairly emotionally controlled. I looked up to him, nothing more emotionally taxing to these two guys. Regardless what you believe they are both real men, respect to both ❤❤❤❤❤ nothing but love the world needs more of this then ever.
PBD is a moron. Its just that simple.
Patrick only understands Patrick. Everyone else is naive. Got it. He plays a good character tho... Made him money.
The guy hates iran
I respect how Pat can debate with class without using profanity.
Yeah…except when hes about to lose an argument he instantly resorts to “you have to be naive to believe that!!? Pat has never admitted to being wrong, simply wont happen
@@Abdulrahman-gj5vhI'll take Pat's argument style over Reza's effeminate screaming.
@@jtstevenson81 im sure you would. Because how else will you counter logic? By arguing and dancing around it without addressing directly. Youre in denial
@@Abdulrahman-gj5vh Reza didn't make a single logical point the entire time. PBD called him naive because he equated the two sides of being equally murderous regimes. It's a popular refrain on the Left, because you guys love making excuses for criminals. Reza and his ilk are far left douches.
He’s amazing,no doubt about that.
Omg, it’s an incredible debate, we need more of this type of stuff
When an intellectual debates an "influencer" the gap is huge. It was fun to watch this.
which one of the influencers was the one just blindly shipping weapons to a country filled with poor people and terrorists? lmao.
We need more like this. Civilized conversation that are actually listening. Not hitting walls a real interest in moving forward in finding common ground and building on it without losing the beauty of its culture.
Look how nervous Rezlan is ! Wrapping the cord around his finger
@@scundoorsup5342 I think that's anxiety, having to deal with a non-intellectual
That guy more loyal iran than usa
Every Iranian has been unwillingly witness to this debate after dinner at a family gatherings. I feel I'm there in the studio 😂
My family comes from a long line of Persians dating back hundreds of generations. Long Live Iran 🇮🇷
Let's cut the shit The Islamic Republic and the US government will never ever have peace The Iran deal just bought some time The Trump admin just went back to the basic game play. Sanctions sanctions sanctions and more sanctions.
Sounds like a damned if you do, damned if you don't debate. Do they know this?
If this topic interests you not and you were "unwillingly" witnessing it, then no offense, but you are part of the problem. It is this attitude that has kept us basically abused daily by this regime and we say nothing. You just wanna eat food and dance and not deal with anything of importance or conflict. I don't mean offend to you personally but to not even have interest in the conversation is really bad bro.
@@amireghbal9892 not every after dinner uncle debate is informative. Most of the times people disagree just to disagree. Also, I want you to look at just the past 5 years of protests and struggles of the Iranian people in iran and around the world, the people who got jailed, tortured, and executed because of their opposition and tell me again that “we say nothing.” If all of that is nothing to you I don know what is.
I love when Pat doesn’t use “F” words, that means he is confident. Thank you for being a Gentleman you are.
lol yeah that's how you win debates by not using the "F word" wow what a criteria you can't debate against that
PBD does not listen! He just reacts!!
It's as if PBD hears what he assumes someone is saying, rather than listening to someone's words and understanding what they are actually saying.
Yes he is very much like that
As an Iranian, I truly appreciate you putting this up Patrick!
As a Cuban American, so do I. This is a very familiar conversation. Batista vs Castro. Approach with isolationism or diplomacy.
the example of not letting iran get nuclear weapon is like of castrating a man, all so that Israel can go rampage in the middle east without fearing any threat, because the n°1 military in the world has it's back so it can win any NON nuclear war, at the end it's all about who have the biggest gun, it's an existential threat
Sina Nabilou I'm guessing your Christian Iranian?
Is Reza a good representer of the Iranian people with all these opinions he's saying?
@@Omar-jy1gr absolutely. Unfortunately there is a group like PBD who white-wash the past and are stuck in a "lost era" which never existed anyway. They are the pahlavists and will die defending the reputation/legitimacy of a family whose name doesnt belong in the political conversation of this day and age. Majority of the people would agree with Reza on this. I'd say max 20% PBD (being generous), 70% Reza, and 10% who are still affiliated with the regime and would like to see both men dead lol.
As an Iranian living in Iran...my man, America isn’t the one who’s oppressing us...islamic republic is (even though America is actively trying to keep the government in iran but thats a discussion for another day). Even if we were free to communicate and trade and shit we couldn’t bc of the lack of accessibility that the policies of the islamic republic provide .
BS. It's US sanctions destroying the iranian people
Long live islamic iran
America literally sanctioning yall lmao 😂
You guys just want access to western europeans. A lot of you in the middle east really believe that euro americans are going to be all buddy buddy with you because you guys are scientifically labeled Caucasian.
You guys just want access to Europeans in the western world. Just say it already
As someone who speaks Persian it's so fun to watch Patrick speaking Persian
That was your whole take from this interview?
@@homayamaniShahdoostthats one thing he liked, one sentence doesnt explain everything from the interview obviously.
“You negotiate with countries that disagree with us” The sign of a wise mind
I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 . NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy
It’s not disagreeing they wanted you dead
@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 I share your views 100%. Sad that many Iranians abroad are living in a fantasy world.
@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 for every sheep like you we need a sheppard of course.
you negotiate from positions of strength. the Iranian nuclear deal had a time constraint, it was betting that if iran was allowed in the global economy for like 15 years, they would not want to pursue a nuclear weapon at the end- guess what, this "liberalization in the global economy" shcikt died with china's persistence as a dictatorship
These political pundits come across so much better when they are given time to express their views accurately in a podcast.
I totally agree
Patrick,fully agree with your line. Thank you for voicing it.
REza fully agree with your line Thank you for voicing it
Iranians are really intelligent and passionate and they are real good friends to have.. greetings to all my iranian brothers from Tunisia
This is why PBD is one of the best! He constantly brings on people who disagree with him or have different opinions which is what we need! Keep doing what you do PBD don't change
i'm waiting for the culture shock when it's arrived P4F
You were watching a different debate. Patrick was way out his depth.
@@lescarman6580 This wasn't a debate. It was an interview.
and those generations born pre 1990 needed to be doing what we are doing now, which is uniting and not complaining about minimum wage trying to afford a $1.2M house while driving a tesla hahaha
@@lescarman6580 you're siding with a guy arguing like an undeveloped 8th grader.
When he finally answered your question, he admitted what you already knew and stated lol. I love your approach and how you psychologically got him to answer !
I’m pretty sure my new favorite pastime is hearing two Iranians passionately arguing😂
It's interesting how much religion is part of the argument. It's supposed to be about human interest.
@@ALCRAN2010 Nothing will change. It's a great intellectual exercise to consider empty possibilities.
@@ALCRAN2010 There was no discussion about religion.
@@ALCRAN2010 that's what religion is!!! The churches run the world in health care in complimentary gifts of money and health and wealth and everything from morals , integrity , values, etc... ways of life Etc.......Etc..etc
@@ALCRAN2010Islam is in decline by a massive amount in Iran. Christianity, atheism, and Zoroastrianism is growing. Whether thats good or bad depends on the person, it seems have an Islamic government isn't actually good for Islam in the modern world.
well discussion, big love to both 🙏
This is an example of when you are so emotionally entrenched, common-sense goes out of the window. I believe PBD will look back at this exchange with a lot of lessons learned.
Exactly! I can’t believe how DELUSIONAL pbd take was on this topic. The sheer hypocrisy and weak straw man tactics he used was downright clownish.
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 why are you copy and pasting this on all the comments?😂😂 Reza wants to give the mullahs billions and call it a nuclear deal. You think its a coincidence reza is saying the exact same thing the mullahs are?
@@popo12920 HAHAHA Why are you getting triggered because your delusional lies and hypocrisy is easily exposed. You think the U.S government using the CIA terrorist agents to overthrow Iran elected president back in 1954 didn’t have unintended consequences? Everyone knows the real THREAT to humanity is America which promotes SATANIC genderless pronounce in order to corrupt the youth of the world just as they’ve corrupted their own. Get over your feelings and deal with historical facts imbecile ;)
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 relax 😂😂 im well aware of the western demonic shit, but you do know it was the west that got rid of the shah right? You think France is giving away private jets to anyone that asks? Shah was getting too powerful but dictatorships dont work regardless because the next guy can always turn out to be a piece of shit. You muslims make me laugh you think its either western degeneracy or muslim fundamentalism 😂😂😂
@@popo12920 The west were the ones who FIRST installed the Shah which is a fact. Also, the west has become so DELUSIONAL and degeneracy is so rampant that you actually believe “fundamentalism” against Muslims. That’s actually hilarious. I guarantee you within a decade the west will call any man or a woman who views a real family is build on between a man and woman will be called “fundamentalist.” So laugh now, cry later. Muslims don’t tolerate the degeneracy that you’ve tolerated for decades and now is castrating your basic manhood. Stop lying to yourself for once and stop using brainwashed talking points against Muslims. Take care.
About 18 years ago, traveling from Brasil, Rio de Janeiro, to NYC, sitting next to me was a Iranian young man, 26 Years old. When the airplane was flying and the mountains apear on the window, I notice his sadness. We started a conversation and he sad to me that those mountains remind him of Iran. ...that he missed his Country but he new he would never go back because of the Government. He was the only one that survive from his family. His father, Mother and two sister die during the time they were leaving. I always pray for him. I believe he is safe and probably had great opportunities here. God bless!
You are praying for pagan whos family went against people who follow God???
@@keksi6844🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@keksi6844how is he a pagan ?????
@@keksi6844Is it not the sick who need a doctor?
Neither of you can speak on behalf of Iran. The current government would have been able to accomplish significant improvements for its people if the sanctions were lifted. When individuals are provided with opportunities, true freedom can be achieved.
What a truly excellent discussion between two men with different opinions on certain issues, but both with great love for Iran and its people under despotic rule.
First I´m seeing this and it's a year old... It´s interesting to hear two ethnic Iranians that still have emotional ties to Iran verbally duke it out. Loved it!
Idk wtf is going on but I love a good argument lmao. Kinda like watching my uncles argue at a party 🥳
well...lol..at least you are honest.....this conversation is super important.. so Imagine that Iran is a student who has been accused of cheating on a test. The other countries in the world are the teachers who are concerned about the student's behavior and want to make sure that he is not cheating in the future. To ensure that the student(Iran) is not cheating, the teachers agrees to give the student a series of extra assignments and to watch him closely while he completes the assignments. In return, the teachers agrees to give the student a good grade, not to punish him for past misbehavior, and to give him some extra money. This is similar to the way that the Iran nuclear deal worked, with the international community imposing restrictions on Iran's nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of economic sanctions and the release of Iranian funds that had been frozen overseas.. ::PBD:: believes giving money to the parent (government) is not the way to solve the problem cause he argue the parent are corrupt and they dont care for their kid..... ::REZA:: argues that there are reliable systems in place that will make sure the parent will give the money to the student (government to the people)..but they both agree that are no safe way to give the money directly to the student -- TEACHERS(USA) STUDENT(IRAN PEOPLE)
Israel has probably the best intelligence agency in the world, especially on Iran. If Israel said Iran is still working on Nukes their are only two possibilities Iran was still working on nukes or Israel was engaged in a misinformation campaign. One thing for sure is that Israel knows whether Iran is working on nukes or not.
Your uncle's also curse every 2 minutes?
@Wheels and the Legman and how about the heinas?
Another ignorant American
I love how Patrick gives Reza only two options for which regime he prefers… but then gives himself THREE options in terms of the nuclear deal.
Hes always fishing like that
Because Patrick thinks the Iranian are too dumb to have a democratic Govt as option 3.
Exactly, I was crying out for Reza to restrict him to the two options he proposed just as Patrick had insisted on!
PBD is a moron. Its just that simple.
This was a masterclass in respectfully debating passionately from opposing viewpoints
An amazing and entertaining discussion for sure.
I'm Swedish and I've been to many Muslim countries. I have met NOTHING but great people. I can understand that both in Christianity and Muslims there are people who are bad, but I've had nothing but good encounters.
If you mean Iran as a Muslim country, for westerns who don't know anything outside of Europe or America, Iran is Islamic country but not a single Islamic country consider Iran as a Islamic nation, you know what they call Iranians ? "Shias" or " fire worshipers" because of ancient Iranian religion was "Zartosht", Iranians consider themselves as Iranians not Muslims.
You’re always welcome, bro. Es ssalam alaikum ❤️
@@Unshack1edAR Thank you my friend! I'm going to Dubai in April again and I am as always looking forward to it!
@@Patriot12985nobody says that, stop lying and iranians are muslims, yes there are a large number of iranians who are secularists but still people are muslims so don’t lie
@@pingpong1465 no, iranians are mostly atheist
Love conversations like this. Im not sure he was expecting this type of interview, but it had to be done. If politicians talked like this, we’d find out alot. Great work
I don't think I have ever seen Patrick this passionate..... I loved it.
Yea but Patrick didn't listen to this dude at all. He was trying to make him pick a side and this dude thinking outside the matrix....he's saying not to pick any side bc is all corrupt
@@albertorynda740 Patrick sounded like a fucking fool he was all over the place
@@blackalgorithmist000 yea I was disappointed on how he approached this 🤦🏽♂️
Patrick was all feelings and little facts. You would think he would have a nuanced appreciation of US-IRAN relation. He sounds like a Lindsay graham, or another chicken hawk. His main argument is they-the Iranian regime ‘hates’ us and they said death to America. So we make policies based on political sloganeering. What a simpleton
I enjoy Patricks discussions. Animated and genuinely engaged with great curiosity. This was a fun episode.
Pro tip in life, when you hear someone say "it's easy..." you know they have no idea and that naive label really does land.
As a viewer from Samoa🇼🇸 I’m a massive fan of Patrick and what he’s doing to the MSM…I know alot about whats happening in the world from PBD podcast. FYI, in this debate I am impressed how composed Pat is and the other guy was getting frustrated to the point he was swearing alot😂
To be fair Patrick was putting word in his mouth when the guy refused to choose the previous (slightly less murders) regim over current ( murders) regim and said neither .
You mean FSM?
Kefe
But if you truly understand the history of the Iranian Revolution you would be very frustrated at PBD too and I actually commend Reza for being almost saint-like here with his patience in even being able to speak and explain his rebuttals and reasoning to PBD....As a viewer viewing this painful debate I'd wish I can reach my hand into the monitor and choke some damned reason and reality into PBD.
We’ll as an Iranian I can tell you the other guy grasps the issues in Iran much better. Pat is off
As a Venezuelan I empathize with the Iranian situation. It's frustrating to see that any effort by the international community only makes the regime stronger.
"Iternational Community" being a handful of Nations with no choice but to agree with the US and UK regimes, a handful out of 214 countries and territories. It's such a term of delusion.
It's because they're designed that way..
It's not exactly like that.. In fact when talking UK and Russia you're talking about the one and only true conflict which has been constantly for about 2 centuries.. except for 4 occasions in which they made an alliance all of whom involves Iran at its center.. the WWI, WWII, Iran Nuclear Program and the 2020 events.. But you got one thing right which is that the US is the younger BIGGER brother of the UK
The $150B was to provide the regime with immunity against an upcoming Trump administration...
Not related to this video but since you're Venezuelan Ever watch the show Hunting Hitler on the history channel? Just got through watching 3 seasons and was surprised about how many Nazis ended up in Venezuela, Uruguay, and some other places in South America. As well as how many leaders supported them. It's even a possibility Hitler ended up there himself. Ever hear about any of that or know any Germans that their families came around the 1940s??? Also makes me wonder if that's why America was involved in coups in South America. That led to the governments being overthrown.
How intelligent, informed, and enlightened is someone who emphasizes every retort with "fuck"
This is a prime example of a man(PDB) that knows little brow beating reality and an educated perspective. It was refreshing to hear sanity and logic for once on this podcast courtesy of Aslan.
Every argument Patrick made I cringed! It comes from a source of ignorance and vindictiveness! Mostly Trumpian ignorance, if I can coin that term. He also seems to forget that the JCPOA wasn't a "democratic" issue, but a GLOBAL ISSUE! For the first time in a LONG WHILE, 5 NATIONS OF THE UNSC And Germany (and other nations like India and Australia) agreed upon the deal! This is UNPRECEDENTED, all the forces on the ground ensured that compliance was met! It severely hampered Iran's potential for the bomb.
So you’re saying you don’t actually watch this podcast 🥴
@@brandonfrawley5151 So you're saying all countries involved were wrong and USA was magically right? "Let's go Brandon"! -.-
@@ABC-ABC1234You’re chugging that damn koolaid, kid. If you believe Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons and/or the capabilities to build them, you’re just as ignorant as this guy and the guy in the video is. Literal blind belief. Bc the JCPOA said it it’s true…?😂 yikes… all bc they gave the illusion they have no nuclear capabilities…that doesn’t mean it’s true.
Reza is a pathological buffoon.
This reminds me of when I was younger and my uncles and father used to debate after having an amazing day. They'd then hug and kiss eachother while leaving and repeat next week 😂
hahaha i have the same memories
I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 . NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy
@@matthewmiri I remember they'd start swearing and shouting as if they were going to get into a fist fight but then when they tea arrives they'd calm down 😂
@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 never trust anyone who copy and pastes the same thing in every comment.
@@rohatkarabulut2476 lol ah yes, chai can always resolve some of the most heated debates
What an action packed debate!!! I loved watching this one, time just flew by! You have to have him back!
That was like watching water and ice argue about who hates fire more and how to defeat it haha😅
Patrick did not present a good argument in this debate. Also, the point that the guest (Reza) was making is very much in line with what most expert in this field will tell you, that is, the sanctions have hurt the people of Iran significantly more so than its government.
As an IranianI I find it interesting that both of these guys have left Iran many years ago when they were only a kid and when the population of the country was 1/3 of what it is now. Lower poulation always means more facility richer people, less problems etc. For example we only have almost ten million Afghan refugees living in the country so the situation is very different from what they have in their minds. By the way I find Reza more reasonable in this debate. The problem with PBD is he thinks very idealistic and he forgets the fact that the country is heavily surrounded by Isis, Taliban, Al Qaeda etc. Any revolution or instability of the country can lead to a HUGE disaster for ordinary people. These terrorist groups did not exist when he left Iran and the situation was totally different. Also he thinks only the Clergies(Akhounds) in Iran are morons and deceitful and the American politicians are Saints and honestly I dont think so.
I agree with you fully! Where I lost respect for PBD, was when he pleaded to the Israeli government to start flooding Iran with weapons about a year ago during the protests. It’s not like he hasn’t seen what happened to Lydia and Syria. What he proposed would lead to millions of deaths and I’d never forgive him for that absolutely stupid plea! So there.
You don't have sympathy that he lives and works in a slave state of the jews, and he works in a jew-dominated biz?
Patrick is an instigator, he not only "Capitalist", he is an Imperialist as well. The USA, Britain destroyed Iran is the early days, Iran does not have a history within the past 200 hundred years to be sailing or riding across the world, enslaving people, committing genocide, annihilations, assassinating leaders, overthrowing administrations, stealing resources and filing their greedy pockets etc. The Shah is no one to speak of. Had not for the West, they would not be having this discussion. Patrick has no standing in opposition of Iran, or support for the USA, his position bias and hypocritically misplaced. The Nuclear programme, Iraq and Libya are good reasons why N. Korea hold on to their weapons because, if they destroy them, NATO will be at their doors.
@@eddiedehkordi4639 Really when did he do that?
@@JKTProductionzIncNCo The very first few weeks of the unrests last year. I listened to his program and I couldn’t believe my ears. Lost all respect.
As an Ethiopian, this reminds me of the conversations that the old heads have debating whether Haile Sellasie's Empire, Derg's socialist junta, or Woyane's "pluralistic democracy" were the best conditions of living. I love these type of conversations man. Whichever side you're on, you can't deny that these two love Iran very much just like those countless old heads I heard in these restaurants.
How do they love Iran if they want it to become a vassal of America?
Ethiopia would be a richer and safer place today if Haile Selassie was never murdered in secret during the coup of 1974
As an Ethiopian what is your opinion regarding these debates? If you had to decide which standard of living was better for those involved then who amongst the men you've stated was the most favored among the masses?
@@La_ilaha_illallah__ i do like the debates, thats why i watch the channel But this debate is problematic First these guys have to decide,are they Iranians or are they Americans? after they figure it out, then their discussion has some meaning
@@zeus4354 i appreciate your take on the matter , stay blessed
What you can see and learn in this discussion is one person is lead by facts and academia the other is just pure feelings and name calling.
He see the tip of the iceberg As a Iranian I believe he is a navie intelligent man It's not possible to change this idiot government with showing other governments how beneficial can be democratic Iran P.S I'm proud of you Patrick because of concern you have about your nation in peak of life
The more I watch Pbd the more I realize he has a simplistic understanding of most complicated topics. A lot of his guests spend their lives in a certain profession or engaged in a particular goal and pbd comes in arguing as though he knows better and almost always demonstrates fundamental misunderstandings of the given topics
the more i read libtard comments the more I reckognize the empty grandstanding and it always reminds me of the south park episode where kyle's family moves to san fransisco where they learn to love the smell of their own farts.
@@susanthejew6351 Whats wrong with u dude? Guy is expressing his opinion and you shoving your libtard bs. Life is not about Red vs Blue. Wake up and put yourself together.
I think you misunderstand PBD. He is very opinionated but I think he understands more than you give him credit for. He did not get to where he is by being a simpleton. I would suggest that he is trying to simplify the problem for the benefit of his audience.
@@susanthejew6351explains a lot, you’re a Jew. Go circumcise little bois with your mouth like in South Park.
agree. if he believes something emotionally, you can bring what ever facts you want, he will never budge. He did the same with the moon landing guest. he lives in his own bubble.
Hell of a conversation. Very informative and entertaining debate. This was 10/10 for my lunch break
Yup. Not one attack on each other’s character or name calling. I love the nuance
Research the Hashashin/Assassin's. The word Assassin comes from them the Assassin's. They murdered Muslim, Jewish and Christian leaders. The Iranian/Persian have ties to the Shia (Fake Muslim) Assassin's. Don't let them deceive you.
It's not 10/10. Wow we are losing intellect. Patrick is not smart
Patrick actually messes this up, he’s not the smartest tool. It’s frustrating, could’ve been great.
Only Reza's thoughts were informative. Half a day of his life, wasted on talking to PBD but at least the people who follow PBD got to hear a smart guy explain foreign policy as regards Iran, for a change.
Heard this exact same conversation since I was a kid. And I understand Reza being irritated and anxious, as someone wrote. Talking to someone who's not as bright as he think he is, is really tuff. Especially when that person dosen't bring any insight, facts or solutions to the table. Your intellect is not being entertained but your patience and mood is. ❤Aslan
REzan won the conversation , Patrick was alwasy fanatic in his approach he seems to be radical terorrist
@@KevinMartin-yy9wv He's not educated in the matter, or in general. He's not knowledgeable, he's not that bright. He paints pictures with broad strokes. Pictures based on fear and what ifs.. Which is a great recepie for extremism. That's what one should expect when knowledge is replaced with prejudice and bias. I belive he's views have partly been inherited by his parents/enviroment and partly are a result of indoctrination and trying to fit in with the strong, stupid, American government stance in the matter. It all boils down to ignorance.
As a Iranian we always have a positive Idea about people's in U.S and country
I am not Iranian but as Indian expat born in Asia and raised in England it is so beautiful to hear PBD say he would love to take his kids there one day. My Persian friends in NYC do not feel any attachment to their motherland. Whatever was lost in their transition from Iran to the USA it’s sad to see some won’t have any affiliation to their country’s
Maybe they consider themselves Americans now. My ancestors came from Scotland. I am an American. Not a RIDICULOUS hyphenated version. I would like to visit maybe someday. But is the motherland to me & mine. A big NO
I ❤️ Indian people pity Muslims aren't the same
The ones with affiliation are the ones we need to worry about..... You legally immigrate to a country and become a citizen then you need to assimilate. Like Lonnie said, no room for hyphenation.
That’s because the “Persians” living outside of Iran are they only Iranians who want no affiliation with their government. The majority of irans love their government and don’t want to live abroad. Apply 1% of your brains capacity
Muslims worship a pedophile . I dont think any ill towards people not wanting to return to a land of backward savages
Big difference between supporting a country and supporting that countries government.. lol
And regime change, ain’t now way Americans would send weapons to Iran.
Agreed. Just as I support the Chinese people, but certainly not their government. Same with the American people, and not the non-representative US government.
@Und3r_Bank3r the American government has most definitely given Iran weapons and hundreds of millions in cash.
@@CashMoolah00 why they sent it to afghanistan, sent to iraq during gulf war
@@CashMoolah00 we are losing our own weapons at the moment why would we give them some? Also in a way the new 1.7 trillion deal gives some money to Irans government since some is being sent there for boarder protection or something if I recall right. This country is going to die off soon if we cannot fix our priorities quick.
3:34 Am I the only one who noticed what PBD did right here? 😏 stopped short and had the other guy say it lol
I love this guest. He's knowledgeable and bright n has a great grasp of the FACTS.He is so entertaining and engaging. Soooo refreshing. I'm thinking of buying "An American Martyr in Persia" . "Make America Great, Again" ....Persian-style lol
Anytime someone is this emotional I immediately see red flags lol
Same goes to all the btc pumpers that get emotional about bAnKinG tHe uNBaNkeD in Africa 🤡
Liberalism is a mental disorder
Pat was really emotional here which blocked his brain from functioning
This is a super emotional topic guys Just be greatfull you've been lucky to be born in the west.
@@majedtaleb3944 I did not find pat to be the emotional one in this debate
I love it! Two grown men talking, disagreeing passionately and fearlessly and without losing their temper! Both are gentleman of the first degree! It's been a long time fellows. Thank you. I thought you and those like you, except for me of course, had moved back to mars.
Your telling me you think Rezacdid not lose his temper? He absolutely did, and for good reason. This Patrick guy needs his head checked. He's an insurance salesman (wow) telling an educated man with lots of high level political consultancy experience that he is naive! This Patrick is what we in Iran call tokhmeh sag!
Patrick is an idiot, blathering on about give weapons to Iranian people, as if they would form an army and march on majlis! You live in a Hollywood movie Patrick! Again, I refer you to what America was sanctioning Cuba for SIXTY YEARS and Castro NEVER FELL! Get help, Patrick Khan! More like ahmaq Khan!!!
Didn’t we use that same logic long ago with China? Saturate the country with capitalism and the communists regime will melt away. How’s that idea working now?
5:44. 7:15 "Breaking bad! Foul mouthed parrot banned....."
You sure you aren't still there!? They very well did lose their cool, MARTIAN.
I am a girl living in Iran, and I completely agree with PBD. I mean, what is the other guy talking about? It sounds silly and hilarious to me. It's nice to hear someone actually talk about what Iranians need and want. Well said, PBD. Much respect from Iran.🙏🏻🙏🏻🟢⚪️🔴
That's the problem with youth of Iran today, They don't have no idea about Iran brutal history and just supports the same U.S.A who put them in this mess. Honestly that's makes me don't wanna support you people
You are absolutely right , Patrick ❤
You are absolutely right , Reza
why does he cut off his guest?
PBD is horrible Look at him on JRE Look at him freak out about BLM because people said said Jan 6 was violent
Is there any time Patrick answer a question? This is a really good and respectful conversation, but could be more good if he understand people has other position or he can listen and understand the other position.
Pat has a one track mindset, he’s always right and everyone else’s opinion is irrelevant. He is what he hates, sounds like a typical liberal.
Well said
From what I see no. I don't understand how his podcast is popular. Interupting and calling his guest neive is a common theme from what i have seen., while being afraid to entrain ideas you disagree with.
What a fun discussion to observe. Don’t know a ton about Iranian politics, but it’s a good thing they live in America and can discuss these things freely
My shop neighbor is Armenian, and he said everything under the shah was way better. Also, my best friend's dad and uncles as well. They got to go to school and become engineers under the shah. After the shah fell they had to escape Iran.
It's unfortunate how little they listened to each other... Polarising the other's argument just prevents a good dialogue
We definitely need more of this, please have another round with him david
13:51 Surprised to see Patrick playing chequers whilst Reza is playing chess. Pat is usually so level headed. Obviously not regarding Iran!
@Regis Johnson you are aware the nuclear deal was solely founded on the hope (lol) that a country that kill women for not wearing a burka corrrectly would liberalize and not want a nuclear weapon after like 15 years of trade and exposure to western media. The deal was not in perpetuity, it had an end date, at this end date Iran would have more money, knowledge, and scientist - after china failed to liberalize, you are really saying a further extreme Iran would do so in less time?
@TechDeck your comment got blocked by YT, I can see it though. You’re absolutely spot on!
He's a featherweight ,he knows nothing about the history of things ,i mean basic historical facts you get from reading ..
@Regis Johnson believe me, I know sanctions do not work. And neither will “liberalization” (most societies view the west as decadence and collapsing) There are two options, either “we” (the United States military) make it so they are not nuclearly armed, or we allow the leaders of the nation to pursue what they deem is correct and hope that mutual assured destruction still works (as it has for 70 years) I am in the latter camp
He is too emotional invested in this subject. lol
I wish PBD would have listened more, and then asked follow-up questions.
Thank yoooou, Patrick 👏👏👏👏
I'm a PBD fan, but I respect Reza for being on the show. Can tell he's not a bullshitter, he's passionate and exhausted having to defend himself 24/7. That being said, I have no clue what any of this means lol :D Peace and love!
Respect brudda
So you're just commenting to "Hear yourself talk" in a sense.
No Reza is telling the truth and the Patrick is full of shit. He thinks Shah’s government wasn’t evil and Khomeini’s was but the fact is that both were Evil.
@@luckyluke1503 Why doesn't he live in Iran then?
@@hostmoe because he doesn’t want to. I don’t live in Iran or America. You wanna ask me the same question? He doesn’t like the Current regime in Iran and that’s my guess.
16:00 “You are defending khomenei“ after 16 minutes of conversation Patrick shows that while Reza is talking he is not listening. During that he only prepares his next argument. 😂 what a joke
*BEWARE OF REZA!* He doesn't support Trump or the populist Republicans.
He was indirectly defending mullahs. Isnt it strange he is asking for a nuclear deal (giving mullahs billions) and less sanctions? He is a slimey puppet.
Exactly! Patrick is showing how emotional and delusional he is when it’s the U.S government (CIA) which overthrown the democratic elected president back in 1954 and installed the Shah who was an oppressive American PUPPET. The current Iran leaders are the RESULT of America’s FAILED foreign policies throughout the world. They create more problems than they actually solve.
Exactly
and then at 22:58 he says Raza is for the government bullying its people. That guy is a clown and dishonest
perhaps the two largest revolutions that have had the largest influence on the world's stage, did not have external influence to kick off the beginning of either revolutions.
Pbd honestly does try to put words in peoples mouth and say he caught them slipping. That shit gets old, I’ve seen it now with multiple guests.
that guy is one of the most stupid people to ever grace the podcast world
This was great! I know very little to nothing about the history and current governmentql body of Iran and to hear two Iranian born men speak about the historical and current problems there has been enlightening. This is why I love PBD podcast! A very emotional but respectful debate. I know other Westerners feel the same especially when I say freedom and love to the people of Iran forever and ever✊
PBD is as clueless as any American about foreign affairs!
@@fwfeohow so?
@@Stevewatson3simply because he disagrees, nothing factual. 😂
This guy dropping his f bombs trying to seem tough 😂
Aslan works with NIAC ( LOBBIEST FOR TYRANNICAL REGIME ) shed on that guy , he is hated by our people
PBD is imo one of the best interviewers on YT, he’s willing to debate anyone firmly and yet civilly.
He's willing to scam anyone with PHP It is how he made his millions
This is why Reza totally dominated Pat in this "debate." At 22:22, when Pat said, "You have four degrees, and I don't even have one," it was clear that Reza's level of education was on a whole different level
Regardless of your politics. I refuse to believe anyone who is truly intellectual thinks PBD won this exchange in any sense.
When a person has to curse to prove a point, you know they are reaching
i am empathetic and good at negotiating...but it rly is hard on me. i envy you guys for making it look so easy! Great show and conversation.
It seems to me like it is the first time I have seen PBD lost his cool and not listen to someone. Big topic for Patrick and I 100% get it. But you both were talking alone at one point. Hope Iran will find a way to topple this hellbent regime.
Yup agreed
Hope the indoctrinated citizens in the west will find a way to topple their secular liberal everchanging moral regime
bravoo Patrik , well done.
I would love to see a point by point. They both were talking past each other.
PBD has no winning argument and he knows that so he plays the loud voice interrupt technique and calling his opponent naive 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Facts, that’s literally all he does in every single interview
Really Reza Aslan only cusses
We are already in the big crash , inflation is a catastrophe. This CPI report is a colossal failure. To bring the housing market to a halt,the FED will have to pull all the stops . The unfortunate issues is that the other market are being decimated. If you want to stay green ,you have to rely on a lot of diversification. Currently up 15% and being carful. Still a better deal than leaving it in a savings or checking account yielding 0-1 percent interest.
People believe their currency has the worth it does because they have no other options. Even in a hyper-inflationary environment , individuals must continue to use their hyper-inflationary currency since they likely have minimal access to other currencies or gold /silver coins.
How can I reach out to this coach? Because I’m seeking for a more effective investment approach how good is this person at portfolio diversification, particularly with regards to digital assets?
She appears to be well-educated and well-read I ran a google search on her name and came across her website; Thank You for sharing.
GREAT DISCUSSION ...MR ASLAN YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG ..THERE'S NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THESE 2 REGIMES ...IRANIAN PEOPLE ARE THE ONE WHO ARE SAYING SO
At my first job out of high school, 80% of the people I worked with and my boss were from Iran. Beautiful people.
I love, love, LOVE how PBD isn’t afraid to have these debates on his show. It reminds me of how Joe Rogan used to be, openly sharing his opinions without fear of backlash. Rogan censored himself, he chose the safe route to ensure his success. PBD, on the other hand, was already successful BEFORE starting this podcast-so he can’t be bought like Joe was. This is the most important podcast around today, IMO.
Yeah I scan agree with most of that too. Joes taken their money and does their bidding on the low.
Pat's a car salesman, a man who shouldn't be here , a man who came here from Iran and sh..ting on half the country. Pat being schooled , no degree not a surprise being a car salesman.
@@jeffbell9391 he shits on whose earned it
@@HalfHydenJekkel thanks to Patty's family for the comment, when you grow up and move from your family's basement you will understand. .
too bad he has no idea or semblance of what he's talking about in this debate. If the other guy wasn't so patient and intellectual in reasoning and explaining his rebuttals to PBD I would've shut down my whole gd computer and take a walk of fresh air instead to cleanse the nonsense and imbecility I just witnessed coming from PBD
I LOVE how you both can discuss your differences, agree with each other and disagree with each other without calling each other names!! This was a such a healthy discussion and my favorite podcast is yours Patrick!!
No Reza didn’t he called shah fucking shah
The guy always has some conspiracy theory in his head that he hunts at but can't even clearly define! That is sad twice.
It's interesting you watch a video where man calls another man names and then compliment them for not doing exactly what they did in the video.
I don’t know video what you watched but it wasnt this video.
@@Coral_dude what you guys are experiencing is the power of propaganda. Brett David is one of the best in the business on the level of Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder. He does a very good show of making himself seem objective and open to different ideas and such but ultimately he's just pandering to his audience just like most in American media. The effect of someone watching him insult another guy and then complimenting him for the opposite is evidence of how powerful his techniques are. People see what he wants them to see not what actually is. Most people are too arrogant to admit that they've been manipulated so people like him always win. His victims will argue to death that somehow you're the one that got it wrong. This guy is a great guy blah blah blah. He is a pro so most people don't have a chance being able to see through his tricks just like fans of Ben Shapiro legitimately think he's a very honest guy when he's overtly not
This is a very interesting argument. As an Iranian that's lived in the west my whole life, I can understand both sides of the spectrum. The underlying argument here is that if there are negotiations done in good faith it will eventually force the Iranian regime to modernize. Patrick is saying that this is not possible due to the nature of IR of Iran, and I agree.
In Shah's time (Mohammad Reza Pahlavi), we Armenians as a small minority had every rights and good opportunity for living, education, cloture, religion and many others which you couldn't find many other places so we are always appreciated to have a kinds of good life style in Iran before backward anti Iranian movement of 1979.
This is hilarious. I've never seen Patrick be irrational, which I believe he is being here. The Iranian in him definitely comes out in this interview.
The Iranian in him? Lol what type of comment is that
He is extremely irrational today. SMH. I didn't understand his argument.
@@Jon_Izzy He’s Iranian! There is nothing American about him
@@Jon_Izzy the arab in him them.
He's so Iranian
Y’all need an episode specifically on Iran! This was awesome
I never thought patrick is biased sometimes, the guys seems to give him more reasonable points
this thing made a good circle around
PBD retreats into certain “catch phrases” when he loses the argument.
PBD can be pretty obtuse when it comes to different ideas. Reza was making a coherent argument and Pat kept misconstruing what he was saying. Not that I necessarily agree with Reza, but it was frustrating listening to PBD in this debate.
Why don't you just call it what it was, IGNORANCE on behalf of PBD! If you don't know how diplomacy works, kindly shut your mouth ====> I wish Reza said this!
I agree with the guy on the right as an Iranian,i support Iranian have access to free market, don't give them money,let them to make money and don't rub their money
I love your ideas, Patrck👍
I love ideas of Rezan you been remarkable