"They Were WRONG!" - Neil deGrasse Tyson In Heated Vaccine Debate With Patrick Bet-David
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In this short clip, Patrick Bet-David, Neil Tyson and Adam Sosnick talk about whether people should be forced to take the vaccine.
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“It’s easy to fool a man, but it’s nearly impossible to convince him he’s been fooled.” - Mark Twain
Love this!!!
Completely impossible if that man is the one fooling everyone.
AWESOME quote! That's why keep going deeper and deeper...
This guy is an idiot. It was TRIALS and those should be named as safe or sure as hell not mandated.
Lmao jokes on you this man is not being fooled. He is an actor and a shill he knows exactly what he is doing.
A true man admits how little he truly knows. An idiot will work like mad for you to think he’s right, even when he’s not.
Hahahahha let me guess Pbd is right and the scientist is wrong. Of course!!! You sycophants are astonishing 😅😅
@@gerk7238 Yes, the celebrity scientist (who's paid to push a narrative) is not automatically right just because he's a scientist. 🤣 Also, you're deliberately mischaracterizing Arthur here, as he's not trying to flatter anyone. He made a vague statement and didn't even name any names. It's obvious that YOU are presuming Neil to be, and recognizing Neil as, "the idiot working like mad to make you think he's right." Once again, it was a vague statement, no names mentioned, you filled in the blanks yourself. If you didn't think that to be true, you may have said, "I know, it's amazing how much of a true man and how humble Neil is in his knowledge, and that Patrick is like a con artist with his logical fallacies. Why the hell is he trying to convince us so hard? What does he have to gain? Does he really care about people that much, he's gotta convince us "for our own good," because we're just too dumb to understand. We all know that's not true at this point though. Thanks for confirming it. 👍
@@gerk7238 well the scientist (astrophysicist) repeatedly claimed that it blocked transmission (get the shot to protect others), which is demonstrably false. So you’re choosing to believe the scientist because he’s a scientist (in a completely different field), regardless of the fallacies he’s spewing, yet WE are the sycophants??? What a good little media parroting sheep you are. Bless your heart.
Well said😊
@ge rk hahahaha, yeah, right? Because everyone knows scientists are never wrong.. hahahaha
the longer he blabbers the less confident his argument gets
why, are the words he’s using too big for you to understand?
@@jaironunez7470 did I mention anything about not understanding? Or is English your second language
That's because you don't understand science or how things work in the real world.
@@tbitv2035no need for you to mention anything about you not understanding. That part is obvious.
@@nicholashuff4198 I didn't mention not understanding first, or even comment on that, so maybe brush up on your reading comprehension. But by all means, enlighten me to the science. I'm curious as to how things work in your version of the "real world."
It’s amazing how people can’t understand this that come from the perspective of I am the only person that matters.
hahahahahaha
“It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair
Exactly. All these podcasters getting views on vaccine denialism will never be able to accept that the science is clear that the vaccines are safe and effective.
Abiogenesis research included.
The irony of this comment
If enough money told him that the vaccine never harmed anyone he'd be screaming it. Personal greed over moral compass is what leads to this B.S.
@@marvinheemeyer6660 the Bible got it right. 👍
Fun fact: Federal contractors who work 100% remote were still mandated to get vaccinated or lose their jobs.
I can confirm. Got an attorney and they left me the fuck alone
@@beautifully_scarred_lea you go girl
The fake vaccine card worked every time. I know more people without the shot then I do with it. They looked at the cards like a bouncer looking at an ID they didn’t care as long as it was a real issued card.
A lot of corporate employees too. Full work from home
“To promote a safe work place”. Crazy. They were pushing those doses for the shareholders.
The Steven Segal of science
Seagal is much heavier, he's also a much better at martial arts than Neil has ever been at thinking
Indeed! What a joker!
Instead of mandating a person to take the vaccine because of the risk of contaminating others, let anyone who fears being contaminated take the vaccine. Then everyone lives peacefully. That's how it worked out in Nigeria. Our old people weren't wiped out. Vaccination rate in Africa was 5% tops. The death or critical hospitalizations due to covid were almost non existent.
@alichefortune862 Sorry, that won't work because not everyone who needs protection can get vaccinated. Attach a government link to the data.
Because that is not how contagion works and your comparison is horrible, population density and transit between major cities in the us and nigeria is not even on the same chart.
Jfc this like seeing a lighthouse in a storm. Every comment is about how long he speaks. Is he not supposed to answer questions? Braincell lacking-brains abound
People in the hospitals died from the government mandated TREATMENT PROTOCOL. Remdesivir was KNOWN by our government to have killed EVERY AIDS patient that took it.
@@damp2269 kindly breakdown how contagion works in respect to population density and see your argument fall flat
Neil is so smart that he thinks we're stupid. That's how smart he is
The summary of the last 2 years right there.
That's not intelligence. The intelligent person understands that for anything to be believable, it has to be consistent. There's been massive inconsistencies with the CHINA virus. Neil has never been a credible "scientist". He's a lobbyist.
Haha yes so smart
When people kiss your ass all day you tend to get an undeserved sense of entitlement.
and you are so naive to think you are smart. That´s how naive you are
Spoken like a dedicated soldier of the “Ministry of Truth.”
NdT has his goosestep down like a pro.
Holy shit it was enraging listening to him make up shit to justify his Pfizer allegiance
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So true
1984 read it asap!
You can also make the same argument with people developing natural immunity after having Covid as to why people stopped dying. Along with the initial more lethal strain burned out.
No you can not.
@@dannydickylilly I just realized what kind of people are watching this video. Science deniers and cave people coming to see Neil talk about stuff over their heads. No use in trying to explain it to them.
Nope
@@dannydickylilly Why not?
@Dteshome85 because what data supports this? I could say fairy's heal, everyone? It's just a valid with no supporting evidence.
Yeah, they had trials, they did not however have double blinds and they were extremely short term trials. They were for all intents and purposes, untested.....this man is supposed to be a scientist
If you read the research papers you’ll see that they did have a double blind test, a large part of clinical trials in general unfortunately is actually just setting up trials, finding volunteers, limited resources etc. the trials for covid was fast tracked meaning more resources, priority and multiple clinical phases occurring at the same time which is a risk for the volunteers but they signed knowing the risk. mRNA vaccines is not a new technology, we have very fast and accurate genomic techniques and covid-19 was similar to past viruses and the antigens was identified quickly, another thing to add is that even if something does have negative side effects which surprise is everything it essentially goes benefit-risk assessment (common practice in science and is why scientists should not control government) If anything covid highlighted how quickly science can achieve something with unlimited resources which is sad, think of how each time we go to war MASSIVE technological advancements are made.
@@ciantiernan6494thank you, sir. So sad that people continue to drink the Kool aid. None of the "reasons" behind anti-vaxx opinions came about until AFTER it was heavily politicized. But that's how humans operate. They form their opinions based on EMOTION, then seek justification afterward.
I like how much Neil has historically complained about the imbalance of power that businesses have; But has no issue imposing that power on citizens within a country.
Yes, because he's a utter hypocrite
He is complete defender for the state
COVID vaccines are 'Capitalism', snowflake - private industry solving a problem and making money from the solution. But the people who got you vaccinated don't want you to support "Socialized Medicine"....
Dang you just explained women
Even he has a mini tyrannt living in his head. Under the right conditions, he too, could round up people he thinks are low information.
The worst part of the whole situation imo, this kind of conversation wasn't even allowed when people were deciding to take the jab or not.
shouldn't that tell anyone with a brain something?
Exactly. And look at other countries that decided to go Vaccine-optional. Look at their spikes, their dips, and their stablization per capita and the timeline involved. And look at how it affected their economy. It's better to just go with herd immunity and allow folks to make their own decisions. Being "vaccinated" doesn't stop the spread of COVID. It's just a booster shot. You can contract it vaccinated or unvaccinated. It makes no difference to the rate that it's spread. So just get COVID and move on, if you're healthy and not elderly of course. I hope people remember the social experiment of control COVID was, and choose freedom of the individual first, and not authority.
@@charlespancamo9771 Most people don't have brains. They just do as they're told.
@@Landstalker1999it's genius isn't it friend, most are programmable empty vessels and the others have to waste our valuable time and our valuable calories explaining things to them like a man can't just "become"a woman and compete in womens sports without having a biological advantage. Well played
Do you think it happened because they weren't sure it is good or bad, or because they were 100% sure it's bad? To breathe is good. Try to take away my breath and I will fight for it. You don't have to advertise to me breathing and show breathing dancing nurses.
PDB teaches by example. Calm, cool and collect. Stay on task, stay focused and ask supporting questions. Thanks for another excellent show.
He makes a claim, which gets refuted, he offers no pushback, then asks an unrelated question like “well isn’t that what Americas all about? Freedom?” Then on the heel of that question restates the already refuted claim once again as if it wasn’t just refuted. This isn’t how an intelligent person argues a point.
His point was that the vaccines weren’t tested enough to fully understand the side effects 3,5,10 years down the road. It’s a very valid point.
They should never be able to force us to put anything in our bodies never
They've always done it. You just didn't have a problem with it until your political party decided it was bad.
@@jlb9210what are you on about? I'm not a member of a political party and knew right away not to take the heart attack juice. It's a common sense thing. Not a political thing. Most people I associate with is an independent ( critical thinker) and all of them refused to take it. None died by the way. Maybe you misunderstood the reason people didn't want it. I'm not at all surprised.
I don’t trust anyone who goes from 0-100 when even slightly pressed and still doesn’t directly answer the question.
yeah too bad PBD couldn't answer what is to be done about someone who is risking others by not getting vaccinated..
@@artie218 stop it don’t make me laugh 😂
Liberalism is a mental disorder where emotions rule.
Hes a narcissist
I guess you don't realize that even the vaccinated risk passing covid to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. The scientists didn't know it at the time, because hardly any studies done, but some highly qualified virologists were saying that it was a likely risk but they were censored and ridiculed. Some even warned that the vaccine could cause many variants to evolve. How can we listen to the science when the science is censored?
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain
This quote is more true than might seem at first glance. I happened to be at a workplace where I encountered some people who were like this and after a long time of being provoked, I snapped, got dragged down to their level and yeah, they then beat me with experience because the behavior they displayed in an attempt to win, I honestly find it still hard to believe adults are capable such absurd and embarrassingly stupid, non-sensicel and brash behavior to get their way. Like really, this quote is an interesting food for thought, but if you're forced to actually experience every word of it. Few things in life are as soul crushing as this. Oh and I might add my own variation from this experience - "Never let stupid people know you're smarter than them, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
Neil is obviously not the stupid one, ever!
kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues...evil know no bounds, 100% intentionally released...just to get one man out of office, one man they could not buy/control....Godless people will always create hell !!!
@@paddaman2003 Good one. Seriously though, he shouldn't speak scientifically beyond astronomy. He's ridiculous
@@pbot6593 he's a scientist!
If the polio vaccine just came out now we would all be in an iron lung.
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That's the difference, polio was actually worth the risk. The only reason anyone died from covid is because everyone is fat and sick already now.
@@derrickjoe1872 that might have been said about polio too but we didn't have social media back then
@@derrickjoe1872 Dude, athletes were dropping dead. What are you even talking about?
@kronosx7 OK Einstein give us some examples of athletes that died this way?
PS- this is America. There is NO social contract that says a few guys in DC get to tell me what to do with my personal health.
Let's say you go to a restaurant. While you are placing your order, the person who will be making your food is taking a shit. The law says he must wash his hands before returning to the kitchen. Did "a few guys in DC" just violate his rights by telling him what to do with his personal health? Or is the idea to protect you from getting sick by him? I'm not looking to start a fight, nor did I support a full-on vaccine mandate for everyone. I'm saying there's a broader picture to consider when deciding who needed to be vaccinated for the safety of others.
I bet you had your kids vaccinated for school without hesitating.
Better questions would have been “was it tested for autoimmune issues”, “was it proven that the spike protein stays at the site of injection “, “ was it proven that you couldn’t pass covid on if you got it” , was it proven there is no impact on the heart”
Spot on , it's the only interview that I felt let down by Patrick, hes normally brilliant at taking apart stories that dont add up
Neil Tyson is an astrophysicist, not an immunologist. Being a scientist, he has no trouble deferring to the expertise of actual medical researchers and professionals, instead of feigning knowledge where he has none.
The goal was to reduce death. Unfortunately the virus kept mutating and what was true for earlier cocid strains isn't true for the newer mutations. But go ahead and ask these questions about contracting covid. Everything has risk
@@tobyforstater7046 That's why there's boosters. Try again.
@@tobyforstater7046 except it was never tested for this and sold as having been.
It takes 3 to 6 months just to get approval for something as simple as a colour change to tablets. A protocol change is min 6 months.
Neil understands statistics but intentionally ignores that the athletes dying in the example they are discussing had a near zero chance of dying due to covid whether they had the shot or not. Neil also intentionally ignores the fact that the shot did not stop me from getting covid or from passing covid to others so there is no societal value to me getting the shot. He never expresses that individuals should have been allowed to make the decision without fear of losing their jobs.
neil is one of the most arrogant pundits i’ve ever seen. he harps on that point that “you’re not allowed to contaminate others” when there was NEVER any proof these shots affected transmission. at best, they reduced your own symtoms should you catch it (because these shots aren’t actually vaccines that conferred immunity). it’s so painful listening to neil’s cognitive biases.
You had the "freedom" to seek alternative employment. Your employer had the freedom to let you go. Awesome 👌 Hopefully, people wake up and understand the pros and cons of certain jobs.
I have family who got 5 total vaccines and still contracted the virus, for full disclosure they did not die or have vaccine complications
Athletes didn't die from the vaccine Vaccines have stopped millions from dying
Plus, I haven’t signed any implicit contract.
"if you want to live on the beach unvaccinated, that's fine" -Neil But Neil forgets that people were barred from going to the beach and some were arrested for doing it.
I think he said that because he understands how powerful vitamin D & Salt water is though he never openly admit it in regard to cv-19. Those are the real reasons people were banned from the beach. Two powerful immune boosters.
Get him!!!!
But it's ok for dirty homeless to roam around the beach vax or not
@@V_ii wtf. He did not say it for that reason. He said it because of the space between people. He LITERALLY explained it in this vid.
The banning was due to the mostly gathering of groups while at the beach and during the travelling that might increase infected individuals you come across with! Don't take it out of context! If you own your own beach with no one around that's what Neil meant to say!
I live in the Czech Republic where we locked down at the beginning of this pandemic for about two months. Once our government realized that this virus kills the obese, the elderly and those with other serious health problems we went back to normal. In hospitals and at doctors clinics you had to wear a mask and distance yourself from others, which is understandable as there are sick folk about. Some companies, especially the German companies in our country, still demanded a vaccine or a covid test every week so the Czech government told them they had to pay for the tests on their staff, which they did and we were tested every week. On the production floor however, we had the masks around our necks and only put them on if senior executives from Germany were visiting. After all the fuss, Czech Republic came out with the same death rate as countries that went over board with the mandates, give or take a few thousand. How come countries in Africa who could not get there populations to wear masks or lock down have very few deaths from this virus? It's called natural immunity.
And breathing fresh air, getting natural vitamin d.......
@Hidan Kirito Awwww are you gonna mald about it LOL!? I live in FL and NEVER wore a mask, didn't social distance myself, and I am still unvaccinated HAHAH! And I have been doing this the entire time since the beginning of the Covid outbreak and there's nothing you can do about it except CRY !! HAHAHAHA LITTLE B****H!!
Bravo!
"Mother Blames Covid Vaccine and Government After Son Develops Blood Clots in His Brain 9 Days Following Vaccine - Son Now Has More Clots and a Damaged Heart."
Precisely. The graphs are also clear about how wearing masks did nothing to protect anyone. The Germans are the biggest jokers in the word - just watch how they're dealing with the Ukrainian war and pandering to those Nazis. It's actually super ironic. They just can't not be perverse about everything.
I have yet to hear an answer to the great quesion of "If it works, why is you taking it not good enough for you."
Cos it's a virus. Viruses do what viruses do, they mutate.
How do you know it works? It wasnt working in animal trials for 10 years. They brought the experiment to humans despite that; despite knowing it had 20+ adverse conditions, despite it just being gene therapy and not not a traditional RNA vaccine and for only one spike protein. On top of that they tried to fudge data that showed the mortality of the placebo was actually better than those who took the shot. Thats just some of the digging to learn of all the shortcomings of a failed shot, but thats exactly the stuff they tried to hide and wanted to hide for 75 years so that you could simply bow down and buy the rhetoric and slogan of Safe and Effective so you could be just like the lab rats. You guys bought it hook line and sinker without questioning anything. This is the same kind of thinking that went into panic to buy up all the toilet paper i the country instantly. Think before you act. Not everything is as advertised.
The answer to this is widely known, and there are three main reasons: 1. Generally, the only way to stop a significant virus outbreak is for most of the population to gain immunity. There are calculations done during outbreaks to determine the percentage of the population needed to have immunity in order to beat the virus. Without immunity, we sometimes see diseases like measles resurface and spread when a lot of people don’t get vaccinated. 2. Some people who are immunocompromised or have other medical conditions cannot get vaccinated, so we can help protect them by reducing spreadability. 3. Two vaccinated people are much less likely to infect one another than one vaccinated person because vaccines are not 100% effective.
If the strain evolved then why didn't we lower the enforcement accordingly? If the shot (not a vaccine) vaccine only helped me personally, not the larger group?
Ya it wasn't a vaccine, but for some reason calling it a vaccine is never labeled as misinformation. It was a 'leaky vaccine' meaning that it was very specific in the strain it was effective against....meaning basically that vaccinating everyone was in effect SELECTING for new strains. Whereas natural immunity has a broader immunity. Reading RFK jr's book "The Real Anthony Fauci", the first chapter demolishes all of Neil's arguments. Side note: Neil loves stats, I don't believe for a sec he doesn't know which states did better. Seems like something a scientist would look into but all of a sudden he is "mr.Oh I don't pay attention to such things, I just play a scientist on tv"
NDT, his ego, the way he constantly talks over people and his level of condescendence is hard to sit through. In this conversation though, he was dealing with an Alpha and Patrick handled him like a total G! I love the pushback and how he challenged Tyson. Well done sir, well done! One of the best in the business, appreciate you bro!
Exactly I could only listen a few minutes to his LIES! uh YES! THEY WERE TESTED!!! THERE WERE CLINICAL TRIALS! NO zTHERE WERENT Fkg LIAR!
Medications that could have been utilized off label to treat covid19 on an outpatient basis where prohibited from being discussed on public forums. If those medications where allowed to be utilized off label successfully as antivirals against covid19 then the covid19 vaccines would have not received the emergency use authorization. The emergency use authorization allowed pfizer and moderna to profit in the billions. The covid19 vaccines would have taken 5-10 years if it was not granted the emergency use authorization. This explains why supporters of !v3rm3ct!n and hydr0xy chloroquine and zinc were demonized by the mass media and doctors prohibited from prescribing these medications off label. These medications were successfully utilized by third world countries to treat covid19!
You don’t think that he is just somewhat socially awkward like a lot of gifted people?
Yes, You are absolutely right.
thank you, yes, Neil can't live if he doesn't get the last word, Imaging being he's wife. hahaha
I like when NdG wanted to link alcohol consumption to heart disease and then realized it could be used to argue against lockdown measures. He backed right out of that one! Great job here by PBD - when a charlatan is speaking - let them speak. His hands were shaking like crazy...
Were that true, there would be no increase in deaths of people below drinking age....spoilers..
@@alandockrill4924 exactly.
Well PBD was suggesting that it was due to the vaccine, yet Neil listed all the other things it could be and PBD agreed, so I'm not sure how you say Neil looked bad in that exchange, instead of PBD.
@@pj256 Patrick said it COUlD be due to the vaccine. The vaccine shill said impossible.
Timestamp?
Crazy, KZhead still censors FACTS on this subject
Yup! Lawsuits are being WON, and they are still trying to convince people that it’s “safe and effective” unbelievable!
This is one of those rare moments where someone you respect just sounds lost. “It was tested” is correct. “It was tested well enough to justify ruining people’s life for not getting it” is not even close. The double down that’s happening by people that were just wrong is astounding.
Admitting your wrong is the hardest thing a person can do and some will never do it.
Remember when all the MAGAs laughed at Fauci for saying we could have a million Americans dead of Covid? Still waiting on that apology.
@@sthubbins4038 Remember when all the flu deaths disappeared during COVID? Who are all the MAGA's?
It’s destroying this country. There was a time when Americans knew how to deal with being wrong. Those days are gone.
You're*
Is this why Trump never admits he is wrong?? lol
I’m willing to be part of a social contract where both parties are held responsible for the truth, aren’t benefitting financially, and don’t practice deception.
Well said! 🙏
Amen!!
ok cave man
@@mgoogleuser8011 ok “m google user” bot
Then you sir have never been to McDonald's
Clinical trials are years, not 9 months!
I watched this and it made me wonder what kind of people comprise PBD's regular audience. Going by the comments, it's people who do the exact same things he does over & over: Step 1) make an assertion Step 2) fail to comprehend what is being said while it is explained to you how your assertion is based on misinformation and/or misunderstanding Step 3) repeat the assertion as though it had not just been debunked
Like debate with a flat Earth fan.
100%!
You have no clue about drug development, so its all over your and Neil's head.
@@StGCfiLife I think the whole conversation is over your head. It wasn't a simple matter of how many times a vaccine was tested. As NDT explained, there were epidemiological factors to consider. NDT acknowledged that the testing on covid vaccines wasn't as long as normal, readily admits the process was sped up, and explains plainly that this was because of the public health crisis. It is PBD who keeps going back to the lie that the vaccines weren't tested. They WERE tested. They were not tested as rigorously as other vaccines, which NDT addresses at least twice. There is a MASSIVE difference between "zero tests" and "thousands of tests". And even if the typical, non-pandemic standard for a vaccine is "millions of tests", that fact doesn't turn "thousands of tests" into "zero tests". They had sufficient data from which they could extrapolate and predict the outcomes. Yes, more data would have been better, but time was the enemy, and the longer testing took, the less lives could be saved by the vaccines by multiple orders of magnitude. This is a concept I could get the average elementary school student to understand easily. But you go on about some knowledge that you think NDT lacks.
@@lovesjerseywhat you think is irrelevant. What experience do you have in drug development? In Gene therapy drug development? I thought so. I engage with people who actually have real world experience from the very few GT « experts » globally, despite what you are led to believe. Please carry on and take your boosters regularly and stay out of grown up convos. Lol
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong.”
Great comment
PERFECT
Neil is not listening to his own advice. Science should be open to questions on vaccine safety. Instead, Fauci and his minions squelched any questions about the safety of the vaccines.
The ironic thing is when laymen use this quote against people who are actually highly educated.
@@Notorious1441 Education is no measure of intelligence... Tyson is the poster boy for this atm.
Irony. “One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong.” Neil on his Master Class about science…
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He is WRONG. Dead wrong
@arsonwars you are a failure as a human
What my dad would call a "Highly Educated Idiot" 😄
Can you explain where he is wrong?
One of my employers made me take covid testing for literally every week for almost 2 years, I felt like all my friends and family had stopped taking or have been required to test 6-8 months earlier. I am more worried about the chemicals or long term effects of the chemicals for those nose swabs. I literally had 200 or more of those things up my nose as we were regularly required to test 2 even 3 times per week. It was either test or you couldn't work.
I didn’t know the social contract was based on what scientists tell us.
LoL
Where is the social contract in the Constitution? This guy is literally making shit up. What happened to my body my choice?
Contract is an agreement between two or more parties. A mandate is an entirely different animal.
Thank you Patrick for asking the right questions and pushing back against censorship.
What censorship?
@@TekTonathan opposing views or discussions of the vaccine were censored heavily from 2020-2022
@JMT , you haven't heard it, you don't know about it, it was censored! What rock have you been hiding under these last couple of years?
I can’t stand Neil. The logical gymnastics 🤸♀️ is so obvious.
yawn
It's easier to fool someone than get them to admit they've been fooled.
Facts
Also the smartest people can craft many logics to preserve their bias.
How does that apply here?
Surprising considering the scientific method is to be rigorously skeptical trying to constantly prove things wrong, to make them more valid as a result. Meanwhile scientists buy the news harder than anyone i know.
See religion.
How many of the people who lost their jobs won their court case? That makes the social contract argument BS
He is right I don't want to "take the virus", he said the silent part out loud!
One thing I learned, is the people who embraced the jabs the most, were the most educated people. Because the more years you go to school, the more years you are taught to listen to what you're being told, & do as your told.
You kind of remind me of hitler reading your comment
That’s why Africans didn’t care about the scientific data
Actually, if you look at the stats on this, the most resistance to getting the jabs were from the most educated people and also the least educated people. Classic bell curve.
They’re good dogs
The more educated you are , the more you are to trust experts at the expense of your gut. Less educated people trust their gut.
It's funny how he never thinks he's wrong under any circumstances and he raises his voice in order to rule the conversation he thinks he's the smartest guy on the planet and he's not
The host literally thinks the same way. Except he’s calm, that’s the only difference. Both are hard on their POV
Sometimes he interrupts without even having his next sentence thought out. at the 7:13 mark you can see him raise his hand, say "watch", and then think of his next sentence
Tyson claims to be a scientist but it's obvious he really really hasn't understood what has really gone down. The vaccine was a colossal failure and Tyson doesn't even know it. It's obvious he hasn't studied the issue at all. He's basing his position on what science should be not what the current reality is. Sorry but he doesn't know what he's talking about it!
He's trying to keep his job. If he were honest, Hayden Planetarium would have a new director by morning.
Far from it
Have a conversation with Tyson and Dr. Malone. He'll mop the floor with Neil. Neil is in a state of panic and raw emotion through this whole interview. He got the vapors. Good work, Pat.
Add Dr. Karen Kingston and Lt. Col. Theresa Long to the panel PLEASE!
Yup!
Well NDT is a racist bigot.
1. Malone is a biochemist 2. Neil is an astrophysicist 3. Neil isn’t the proper person to ask about vaccines.
When you are right and arguing with something who is not even listening and wrong, it gets frustrating. He has the right to be upset.
There is an entire system in place, and we ignored it.
MBAs being less likely to be vaccinated probably has something to do with the fact that many of them were probably able to either work from home, work remotely, or do not work in an environment with a high volume of individuals in close quarters. By comparison, it would be interesting to look at degrees with a diametrically opposed workplace scenario. For example, medical doctors (MD) and registered nurses (RN), both fields which require constant contact with high volumes of individuals.
In PR, some Cv19 nurses were given a 500mg tablet of L-Lysine daily and not a single one got Covid.
Neil when he’s speaking and someone tries to interject a fact: “Let me finish.” “Hold on.” Neil when someone else is speaking and he disagrees: “No no no no no!”
He's a true TWATWAFFFLE
Well that's because his opponent is arguing in bad faith. Neil listens to and responds directly to accusations the host presents. But every time Neil counters with his own argument or accusation the host just completely ignores it and moves on to the next subject. So it's obvious that either the host is completely ignorant and doesn't know what he's talking about therefore he cannot mount a rebuttal, or he's arguing in bad faith just spouting off talking points to get a rise out of his audience and overwhelm Neil. The ladder is a common strategy employed by the right, because it takes 10 times the effort to disprove something than it takes to make the accusation in the first place. So their end goal is to just exhaust you through an endless series of time wasting exercises until you get annoyed and they can claim victory when you exit the conversation
@@ticenits1926 sounds like you are describing exactly what Tyson did? what exactly about his arguments was enough data and proof for you to take it harder from the daddy government? listened three times to this argument so far and have yet to hear Tyson make a relevant case that does not ignore the OBVIOUS fallacies of the method we used to get here. he is pretending we didn't break science here. he knows he took part in it. look up the vaccines we rushed in the 80's and 90's and what they did to kids, look up the 3-5 generations of polio vaccines it took to STOP ending the lives of kids by accident or paralyzing them for life etc. in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS>.. to rush this, is fallacy, and ANY scientist who says i am wrong is being paid to. The claim we are not good at statistics but the world being based on statistical analytics, is the big "uh huh" you should have with him too. especially when other programs have been ended abruptly and VERY publicly due to FAR LESS complications then we are seeing now. like he literally goes off about how statistics mean nothing, then makes an argument USING STATISTICS showing that covid will do bad to you... so this is mr. tyson: don't use statistics they are bad, but let me describe your risk choices with covid using statistics... your argument is MUTE from mr. tysons OWN arguments. sheesh...talk about polarized. Let me guess right wing politics make you evil by default? all thsoe evil right wingers hey? just wow.
@@ticenits1926 not sure what interview you're referring to, but what you describe is not what occurred in the video i just watched above
@@ticenits1926 yeah…..except none of that happened here,😂. You do read like a leftist, making a point that doesn’t apply to argument at hand
This is a guy who never gets challenged and acts like a little child when he doesn't get his way.
He will not debate anyone without a script.
Don’t forget he’s the front runner for Masonic misinformation/propaganda. he’s literally their self praised “smart” puppet
I never signed a social contract . Globalist thoughts. I'm free, let me take a risk.
Neil is a peddler. Does not follow statistic!!. Really. He belongs on CNN.
Just take the Tuskegee injections, it's mandatory.
I never understood people that claim they read the science and start off the argument that it wasn’t tested.
It wasn't tested... enough. And, well, the results are right there. Fact of the matter is, the human body is such a complex construct that it's borderline impossible to test any vaccine against all possible permutations of that body. But, with just three quarters of a year of testing, you've barely begun scratching the surface of the number of possible permutations. Heck, from one individual body to the next, you can have such wildly different reactions to even more basic compounds that, well... what is perfectly healthy for one individual is actually lethal to another. Peanut allergies? How about lactose intolerance? And on and on and on. And people genuinely thought that three quarters of a year of testing a vaccine was enough? It's... unrealistic. The malaria vaccine took 40+ years to develop. That is the sort of timescale which is more realistic with vaccines. Heck, we've been trying to create an HIV vaccine for decades as well by now and, well... no dice yet. Really... the SARS-2 (COVID) vaccines just weren't tested. That really just is the long and short of it. By numbers alone, the number of people or bodies they could have tested it on pales in comparison to the number of people that the vaccines were rolled out to (the entire human population). Divide one by the other and, well, the result is approaching zero. So, yeah, mathematically it remained untested before being rolled out.
I didn’t think I could be a bigger fan of PBD than I already was, and yet, the amount of respect I have for such professionalism is inexplicable.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
im under the belief that neither the vaccine nor the virus are as harmful as both sides led us to believe. Pundits and demagogues on both sides of the spectrum have a vested interest in keeping their followers afraid and hateful towards the opposing side. Covid has been a blessing for these people! without covid, or the fear of vaccines, many of these pundits would lose thousands or millions of followers. Pat is one of them. It’s all a cynical ploy for clicks, views and likes on BOTH sides.
PB & J is the best !
Sure is a great interviewer. But he's been this anti vaccine , kinda right wing " truther " shit. Today, he repeatedly felt he raised a Trump card, and Neil wonderfully explained that there was nothing he mentioned that was up for debate. These are facts based on the data available .
Neil can you show me where the “Social Construct” part is in the Constitution? Or do I need to be a Scientist with special Scientific Eyes to find it?
I’m not sure how me being forced to be a test subject and have some sort of chemical injected into my body is the same as a McDonald’s worker being legally forced to wash their hands before handling my food.
Loool well that escalated quickly
Actually an apt analogy. If you don't follow the company's rules you get shit canned. Nothing new. The rules can be completely arbitrary. Nobody owes you a job. Most states are at-will employment so you can be shit canned at any time for any reason or for no reason at all. It's funny how a bunch of people are only now coming to discover this after workers' rights were systematically destroyed by corporate-funded politicians over the course of many decades
Because they are both measures of securing public health in terms of removing people from categories that make them much more likely to live less longer. This is why you shit in a toilet when you go out to eat and not on a table. It’s not safe for you or I to eat next to your shit that is resting on the table. That simple enough for you to understand?
It is the same thing. You do not have the right to infect others. Its that simple. You want to not vaccinate ? Sure but you are not working till things calm down.
Let me make a correction. Food service workers are legally required to wash their hands but no one is standing there watching them and forcing them to do it or provide proof. Businesses and the government were requiring proof. HUGE difference.
What a stupid point! The NBA chose a facility that best suits a "bubble!"
Enforcement and coercion in Queensland, Australia. First no jab not job, I decided to give up job; then no jab no health service - I was diagnosed with cancer and desperately needed an operation - had to take the jab, In the triage room I was the only one vaccinated out of four/five patients; waking up in the ward my roommate told me she did not take the e vaccination - we had the same condition and had exact the same operation!!!!! I have been suffered from nerve pain and medicated since then. It is not fair.
Neil deGrasse Tyson "Let me finish my sentence!" Also, Neil deGrasse Tyson cutting PBD off every time he talks. SMH
So, he is a guest and the host doesn’t make any ANY sense at all, he just want to dominate the conversation with silly ideas. NDT has to answer and explain. How do you make it through the day man. I recommend reading a book or two.
@Mewa_BM you probably wear a mask in the car 😂😂😂😂 and watch cnn and msnbc for your covid news bahhhhhhhh 🐑 🐏 🐑
He did the same thing on Joe Rogan's podcast.
@@Mewa_BM I recommend you reading a lot of books, starting with philosophy. NGT states "you dont have the right to infect someone, while simultaneously supporting infecting someone with a simulated virus as a vaccine with disregard to sovereignty of ones body. I mean, you worship this idiot? LOL. He may be educated in science. But he isn't that smart, his mental blind spot is showing.
I'm surprised he even had that much patience with such aggressive ignorance.
Imagine living through the last three years and not being the slightest bit suspicious
EXACTLY. STUDY 30 40 50 YEARS BACK.
Of course, you realize that to accept any part of the truth forces one (a liberal) to then look at the whole picture, at which point their entire world-view would necessarily implode and they'd have to admit they were wrong, a thing most leftists are not willing to endure.
@@janicenagao7409 something most people fail to do 💯
😂 imagine thinking you know more then science
I know several.🙄
"Some of the side effects we may not know for years" PBD doesn't know the possible side effects of drinking that can of citrus either. Preservatives, coloring, chromium, synthetic sweetener,... for how long has all this been tested?
Oh ok so inject anything into your body and your children too! Why not no one knows anything anyway
Thats why he and millions of others avoid consuming those craps you named.
@@delaslight its in his drink
Well, the entire method of creating mRNA vaccines was invented in the 1960s so we had almost 60 years of data.
We need to be MORE careful about giving up our inalienable rights to refuse some thing for the sake of what others see as 'safety.'
I have rare congenital heart disease, I had Covid twice- I survived 2020 but it was a hard go, 2022 was like a flu. I read the Israeli studies and I was NOT getting vaccinated for the fear of having heart failure, especially since I already survived Covid and knew I would be fine. Thank God I never got vaccinated, I know so many healthy people who now have heart failure.
I knew people who died suspected after taking the vaccination ….real talk that why I wanna to see the true affect on people i time.
This is what's called an anecdote
This Patrick guy is dense as a brick.
I was forced to get three shots.
Way to have the stones to see your way through this! HOOYAH!
So he's saying he was looking at the fake data for cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Genius
This. It's useless to cite statistics when they have been manipulated.
what fake data?
I'd like to know his source on the statistics for college graduates versus high school graduates versus doctoral graduates. Because my family and I had the vaccine and no one was asked their education level or how many years of college we may or may not have finished.
It might be a poll.
Trying to explain complicated ideas to people who won't even get through remedial math is never going to end well. The frustration in Tyson is from the fact that he's trying to distill incredibly complex situations down to digestible tidbits so the audience can begin to understand it. This is the same for any complex structure, and everyone on here that has a job that requires more than a few brain cells to do, will understand. "Why are you replacing the spark plugs because the car won't run" is a simple question with a very complicated answer when you break it down to someone who know absolutely nothing about internal combustion engines. They have to understand pistons, cam shafts, internal combustion itself, ignition, and how all of those parts work together to make a car "go". Yet if someone were to come up to you and go, "we don't even know spark plugs work" is going to frustrate the crap out of any mechanic that understands the process. Tyson is trying to explain the extremely complicated subject of virology to people that won't bother to learn it, but then want to have an opinion on it. That is tiresome, and you eventually get to the point where you just have to say, "listen dipshit, you barely know how to read. Just trust me." Either get educated, or trust people. What we have today are uneducated people that refuse to trust people, and it's a recipe for disaster.
And this is beyond political ideology. I hate how facts and figures are buried under piles of red and blue by gullible flag waving idiots. It is frustrating to hear people still cursing the vaccines for maybe having to undergo 2 days of being sick after being vaccinated, just because fox news tells them so.
I’m 10 minutes in and I hope to god PBD asks why the heck the pharmaceutical company’s put a clause in that they don’t have to release the vaccine trial info for 55 years
I like the parts since it was rushed they weren’t liable for any fucking damages
I admire your fortitude. I only made it 7 minutes before I couldn't stand to hear him say another word.
3 min in. They will release the data in 75 years
lol because of money... now they have the recipt for the vaccine for 55 years and can make alot of money from it. Then after 55 years, other companies will be able to produce it. I believe it is pretty normal
@@Lord_Volkner sadly that happens everytime i listen to this shill.
Neil should have saved us all the time and just said what he means: "Other people don't know how to think, but I do."
He’s a scientist so you have to believe him.
Neil deGrasse is wrong. We all know that the vacine only protects the recipient.
@@noisearchitect well thats what they always said in the past. It protects the recipient.
Why would an employer fire you if everyone else in the same work place is vaccinated? If the vaccine was indeed effective, how would you be putting them at risk?
It’s not the same if it’s a hospital. In the military, people live in barracks where airborne diseases spread quickly.
Here we see the danger of using the word "educated" to refer to any person with a college degree, especially a poli-sci or humanities degree.
Tyson didnt sell out, he was always propped up exactly because he follows the narrative
Just like bill nye
Yeah. He’s always been a sellout
@@spicemarine1884 I know right, I can't believe how many people believe Nye and Tyson's Darwinian evolution.
@@spicemarine1884 Bill Nye and his bowtie is on their own level.
He shits on the legacy of Carl Sagan.
I don't understand how this guy could say they was tested for prevention when they clearly said they didn't test or even knew
He's talking out of his ass because his mouth's been bought.
It was tested. Scientists painstaking tested it. The data was there and lives were dropping. Only the ignorant are challenging the facts.
@@theengineer704 Argumentum ad Hominem. What tests do you speak of? Pfizer admitted to inadequate tests.
@@theengineer704 Then why that Pfizer lady said they didn't test it?
@@eggmeister6641 they have done 3 phases on the drugs under a strenuous timetables needed to address the threat of the pandemic. The test went through peer review before being approved by the FDA. That is all that is needed. Sure, they wish they could have 20 years of research with participants from various vulnerable populations, etc. however, OVER A MILLION PEOPLE WERE DROPPING DEAD (conceptualize 1,000,000 people dead. Count it out). The market had fallen, people were thrown off the job in huge numbers. The industry did not have time to hold anyone’s hand and walk it through. We had to get to work. All the bickering is foolish nonsense of hindsighters wanting recognition when all they were doing is hindering progress. Take the vaccine or don’t; those in the industry did their job. Now do yours & accept the consequences if you don’t.
Statistical analysis versus critical thinking is really bad. That's bad for him as a scientist to even say that. I bet he didn't look at the vars database and saw all the side effects that were starting to be reported rapidly. Further, his idea that you have to take something mandatory and not take an account that some people are allergic to is mind-blowing.
It’s great to question your actions. It’s not great to risk others lives because you’re still questioning.🧐
“It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person” - Bill Murray
So which one is stupid
@@jeffreyzwiebel176 the one arguing that the vaccine stops the spread when we know it doesn't.
Then I'm totally wit ya
Lol there is obviously only one stupid person at that table. ** It's the guy w the Celsius can in front of him.
you can't reason with an Idiot.
Crazy. Statistics should take into account your age and your diet and your fitness. Sport people had literally 0.000000001% risk
Amazing to see what happens when actual science is used not opinion or conjecture.
I feel like PBD is not only a very smart man, he’s an honest man confident enough in who he is to politely listen, even when it’s apparent to him that his guest is being less than honest or forthcoming with the truth.
lol that's sooo true
And OJ is not a murderer.
How does the saying go, "it takes a lifetime to build a reputation and one moment to destroy it". Nice work Patrick.
Niels #1 refrain: "You dont have the right to infect others. Go live alone on a beach if you want to be unvaccinated". How about "you dont have the right to force others to be vaccinated or isolated. YOU go live alone on the beach if you dont want to be infected".
Why should Neils reputation be destroyed? Because he disagrees with you in ONE thing?
@@roketynoramallorca2882yeah his reputation as an astrophysicist is completely destroyed now that he has a different interpretation of the risk assessments in dealing with COVID
@@roketynoramallorca2882 how come black people dont thank whites for slavery? We forced them to become taller and stronger than whites by selective breeding and culling the weak. They are better than they were back in africa, thanks to us. Now they dominate Sportsball games because of it. They are beloved and celebrated as heroes through sportsball. They are wealthy and happy. And yet they still say we owe them something. We brought the strong Neo-African to life.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 What the heck are you talking about???? 🙂
He's focusing on one thing he literally said based on different circumstances your age your house and so on you have a 3% chance so why were they trying after forcing everybody else were they trying to force school children to also get it
Hospitals were too busy making tick-tock videos in the Empty facilities.
You will never convince someone who is determined to believe a lie.
It crumbles their ego, what did you expect
Speaking of yourself I see. Let me guess the 2020 elections was rigged as well?
Based on so many comments on this video, I'm just going to assume you think that Neil is the one who believes a lie.
@@wastingmylifeaway4898aw, darn! Did you get the jab?
You'll never convince someone who's living depends on a lie.
This guy is a joke, thanks for bringing him on your show. Love your content. They will never admit they didn’t know crap
What did he say that was incorrect or logically flawed?
@@georgepoly4842 nothing
"They" knew a lot but suppressed that knowledge for profit and control
@@georgepoly4842 if you get the vaccine how are you put at risk by someone who didn't. I'll wait
@@georgepoly4842 he’s claiming it was tested and it wasn’t. They’ve already admitted it wasn’t. He lied and got caught
Neither of them are statisticians. The point about statistics is that statisticians should be the ones to make these decisions. Not even doctors grasp the depth of complexities that an actuarial statistician does. Period. Then you're not misled by emotional fears and popular opinions, which, never, beat statistics.
What does taking the vaccine got to with the social contract? Taking the vacc doesn't stop people from catching or transmitting, so where does the social contract come in?
My grandma had "mysterious blood clotting" 2 weeks after her shots and it crippled her. I was amazing that doctors used the word mysterious and blew it off like it wasn't important to look into.
Stories like this all over the web. It's so obvious where the source issue was..
Mine did too, and she died from it.
My wife was exactly the same, she got the first shot and got a blood clot in her leg, my wife already has a clot and is on medication for it, the hospital said it was a mystery and would investigate, they came back and said they didn't know. And Neil was wrong, the death rate was less than 1%, and add to that hospitals were putting everything down to covid.
@@capcitycode2456 before covid a doctor had her on so much xannax she was either lofty or extremely anxious. These pharma Heros are also poisoning our families by the millions for profit
Yes but was it causation or correlation? Millions of people were going to get blood clots, heart attacks etc regardless of them taking a vaccine or not, but now everything that happens after the shot is the vaccines fault!
"No amount of evidence ever convinced an idiot." ~Mark Twain
or the lack of evidence , not to question the fact that people all over tv just dropping dead... not to question that is insane.
Information from who? Neil is using information that the media have been saying for 2.5 years. Pfizer came out saying the vaccine wasn't tested for preventing transmission. Pfizer has also been coming out saying the vaccine is less and less effective, lowering its per cent from 99% over the years.
@@dale8957 yes and there has been several drs. nurses , scientists that comes out all the time disputing nils claims.
@@PatrickOneal-nl7xk proof
Pbd you come across as a idiot on this subject. Stick with hip hop. You're good at it. You say 5 years you might get heart trouble, you could get hit by a truck?
Hospital attention they require? Another another proven point that the ventilators were making people more sick
This guy found his hill and we all are watching him die on it. I love the internet.
😂😂😂
We all he croaks soon too. 😂😂😂.. have a good night neil grass Tyson 🍗
I've seen very few people that are more in love with their own opinion this man loves the sound of his own voice
He's the host he should be allowed to speak all he wants.
@@Esus4Hack reply
i've never had debt not taking that shot has put me in debt. However we're forgiving student loans
Freedoms are to all but without interfering others to stay alive.
They even lied about the amount of people that were tested
The firms doing the trials committed fraud. It was very profitable for them and the big pharma.
And also... Neil failed in talking about fasttrack, and how that bypassed required testing by law (for this one special case)
They lied about SOO many aspects of the "vaccine trials". We don't like certain data so we're gonna pretend it didn't happen. No vaccine or drugs have ever gone to market within 9 months come on Neil you know that so now you're officially just a liar
All the data is bullshit. Have a aunt doctor in CT, she was ordered by hospital director to put covid as cause of death when it wasnt.
COVID vaccines have been injected into over 200 Million people in the US alone. It is NO LONGER 'experimental'. It works - the data proves this.
I'm so happy people are starting to open their eyes and see right through these fools
Nailed it mate. And fellow Pennock.
If you dont see that host is wrong your a fool.
@@1donjuego Thanks for the input. And It's you're not your.
Bout time!
It’s too late. Damage is done. All sitting ducks, Flick of a switch mentality cemented 🐑 & 🦙
This is a great example of the Dunning phenomenon where Patrick Bet-David thinks he knows more than anyone else including virologists, epidemiologists, etc. and is confident that he knows more. His questions are leading with a certain bias. Most scientists would not be as sure but look at the risk profile in conjunction with continuing to study and improve the knowledge on a subject. The good is not the enemy of the perfect.
In Australia, well before this COVID issue, if you did not vaccinate your children you lost access to welfare and benefits for them. Still applies.
This is a prime example of one individual with realism debate vs the other person with emotional debate
For real. Whenever he reacts emotionally it reminds me of when I did so as a child because I had no real argument just a feeling...
Patrick being emotional and the other with data and stats and risk vs reward
@@victorespino5650 oh Victor
If u ever say that better!
@@victorespino5650 yes so much emotion coming from PBD 😂
I like how Tyson avoided the “what happens long term if I take this” he didn’t have an answer, he diverted and then said essentially “well if I grow a 3rd arm I’ll take that risk”. Well Tyson I’ve had covid twice now and lived so I think I’ll continue my policy and avoid the 3rd arm 💪
Even Leanna Wen has walked back her outrageous vitriol against the skeptica and holdouts. This guy hasn't got the memo that the larp is over.
I would never convince someone to not take it but I can also say that I had covid twice. 1st one was in 2020 and for 10 days it was the worst I've ever been sick (but not bad enough to go to the hospital)and then a year later I got it. I was mildly sick for 3 or 4 days no different then having a cold with a headache. I'm over 50 and over weight and got through it fine without the shot.
What are the long term effects of catching covid without the vaccine? Really, it's looking like a bigger issue.
@@kaytee1127 what a fancy way to not say anything. Like Michale Eric Dyson. It’s something about the 3 name. At Kay Tee. Cute name.
@@bindingcurve 1)We don't fully know 2) Risk for severe disease depends on what age you are (Neil using the 3% statistic is laughable for a man who claims to be a scientist) 3) The data say that the jabs doesn't prevent transmission or disease contraction 4) Cleveland Clinic released a study almost 2 weeks ago that shows that with each jab or booster you receive, you are more likely to contract covid-19. And all of that isn't even acknowledging that the narrowly targeted vaccine is likely to cause a proliferation of variants
It's astounding how someone will fight for their incorrect, uninformed position on a topic. Some people don't even understand what freedom is. They confuse it with absolute sovereignty, even where their decisions will negatively impact others. It's a very selfish and childlike stance.
Thank you, Neil! My whole family was in the Pfizer trial. It was 40,000 people. They were vaccinating more than 3 million people a day in April of 2021, before any mandates took place!
It’s amazing how your entire opinion of someone can change so much in 25 mins
Sad I used to love Neil
1 minute
Hahaha
You must be low iq then
@@Josh-fz9rh don't be sad, the guy is an absolute bellend
The CDC employees didn’t take it. As told by CDC themselves!
Bingo!
I wonder why they're not trying to mandate jabbs and masks every flu season, I've gotten covid and the flu. The flu was way worse...