“Should I be Killed?” - Former Muslim Explains Why He Converted to Christianity
2023 ж. 20 Қыр.
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Patrick Bet-David moderates a religious discussion between Muslims and Christians. In this short clip, Christians discuss what their biggest opposition is to Islam. Brother Rachid converted from Islam to Christianity and explains why in this clip.
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To admit that it is justified to punish someone by killing in Islam and then at the same time to say Islam is a peaceful religion is the epitome of madness.
Its perfectly logical. Islam is a peaceful religion for Muslims....not for those who aren't.
@@petroboomn7491 Muhammad, Police be Upon Him
@@mvj1153That’s pretty damn good
Do you know there is a theory that Islam is actually a rip off of Christianity and Judaism, where do you think all this killing comes from if not from the bible. God punish, God isn't as peaceful as what humans or Christian want it to be even the symbolic of sacrifice of Jesus also by being crucified till death , you think the God is peaceful for human eyes ?
What happened to non-Muslims in Islamic countries say the truth how islam treat with non-Muslims... afganistan Bangladesh Pakistan are wiped out of non-Muslims by Islamists...they are the most hypocritical people in the world 😢
To be born a Christian or just to be born in a Christian nation is a blessing a lot of us take for granted.
Same here, glad to be born Muslim
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Find out the origin of Christianity then you will know its not near what you thought.
@@ibrahimhajji6210 Find out the origin of Islam then you will know its not near what you thought. Because your Prophet wasn't as good as you thought. Forget what anyone said about him and research, you'll realise what I mean.
@sarahrose7269 if you thought Islam started with prophet Muhammad you have a long way to go...do your homework and get back to me.
I am a born Christian, my faith has been dwindling for years now, i have reached out to some muslem i know to learn about the Muslims ways and convert if possible, this podcast single handedly made me whole Christian again. Thank you Jesus ❤️
Instead of forming your opinion based on a single youtube video, read Quran or bible or any other holy book thoroughly of a particular religion that you want to understand. Faith should be based on reasoning, logic, common sense practicality, reality of history and human nature. I suggest you to gain knowledge about different religion, philosophies, history, politics etc. Because all of these things are interlinked. Dont have quick judgment and continue to learn. You dont have to believe everything you read. Acquiring knowledge is the key to have wisdom. With time you will understand whats right and whats wrong. In addition, I also did the same. Bible has many contradictions and errors that indicate the men made corruption. Hence, the text can not be trusted. If you really want to understand Quran and the ideology you can read a tafseer of Quran, such as Tafheemul Quran which can be downloaded from google playstore in English and it has translation, context, background and explanation of the verses of the quran that was revealed in a duration of 23 years. I am a muslim and I dont agree with everything a scholar says about a specific topic because I know that difference of opinion is natural for humans. Thats why there are several sects and school of thoughts.
Poor soul .
Hey! I love that this video helped you! However, I would encourage you to spend some time in the word and to pray about your faith so that it can be fortified. Be vulnerable with the Lord, call him and he will answer! Have a great dayyy! God bless❤
Amen
@@islambary2menkomyour soul will be rotting in hell. Seek help.
What I see from the 2 Muslim brothers is the classic counter argument, which is not addressing questions directly but rather deflecting and redirecting the argument to try to create a false equivalence.
It's not a false equivalence. If Christians claim the Old Testament is from God and the Word of God, then to be critical of Islam for the same laws would be critical of their own God.
Because it is the Bible does not mean it is prescriptive Yes, it is the word of God, but also God in flesh has fulfilled that law 2000 years ago. Hence that law is descriptive and prescriptive in its historical environment and context but not in the new covenant brought by Jesus Christ who fulfilled and was innocently put to death by the law
Firstly, it's essential to understand the concept of due process. In an Islamic state, like any other, due process is crucial. This means that an individual cannot simply be condemned without a fair trial. There must be a court hearing where any objections are presented and addressed. This ensures that justice is served according to the laws of the state. In an Islamic state, the leader holds the same weight as governmental laws being passed in other countries. For example, just as the US government can pass laws regarding treason, in Islamic states, the laws of Islam are the country's laws. These laws, including those regarding apostasy, are upheld as part of the legal system. DONT BE A HYPOCRITE WITH DOUBLE STANDARDS Secondly, it's often pointed out that similar laws are found in Deuteronomy, a book in the Bible. This is clear double standards, especially when those who claim to be Christians do not necessarily practice their religion. However, it's essential to note that while these laws exist, they are often ignored or falsely interpreted. DONT SIT ON THE HIGH HORSE CHRITIANS , AND SAY ITS BABERIC, YOURLL HAVE THE SAME F'N ,LAWS , AND DONT CLAIM YOURLL ARE IN A GREAT COUNTRY THE PREMISE FOR KILLING AN APOSTATE IS FOUND IN CRIMES LIKE TREASON , WITH UR LOGIC TREASON IS GUD , WHY ARE THEY KILLING HIM ,HE HAS FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND FREEDOM OF TAUGHT ,IE SAME THING , OH HE IS AGAINST US (USA) FOR BEING TERRORISTS, FOR WHAT WE DID IN THE MIDDLE EAST , WHEN WE CLAIMED WEPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION .
@@nunya54 It is when Christ came back and corrected the old laws. Thats the difference your using a whatabout but Christ already dissavowed the thing your whatabouting. It proved Christ corrects the ild testament and by effect your viewpoint as well.
@@nunya54 That is wrong. The Old Testament is the story of the Lord's chosen people. The laws were revealed in Exodus for Moses and his Israelites as they travelled to the land of Canaan. Levitical laws are for the tribe of Levi, the priests. Leviticus are laws that the priests follow and mete out. Deuteronomy were rules that the Israelites followed as they travelled through Zin. Once you get to Joshua, you see how the nation of God's chosen people rises and falls and break their covenant. The New Testament is the story of Christ and his followers, and how they establish the way for people to be saved from sin. The previous laws had not applied for ages because their era came, rose, and fell into corruption.
I was born, raised, and forced to be a Muslim for 25 years. But I couldn’t take it anymore and I converted to Christianity. I can never go back to my birth country Iran and my family disowned me, but I don’t regret anything. I am going to live once, and I refuse to be the slave of other people’s beliefs.
Amen
Good for you Shay.
It must be so difficult, I hope that the overwhelming love of God compensates and is some comfort to you..❤
I’m happy you found Christ!..but I would seriously question why your family disowned you!..I know a few middle eastern girls that soon as they came over here they went wild sleeping around and being whores!..that’s a big thing in the west in terms of freedom!!..I happy you found Christ and freedom to live how you want but some people lie just to justify their disgusting life style
If every baby born, is considered Muslim. Sure 😂 it's the fastest growing religion
The fact that they clearly believe that people whom leave their religion should be put to death is HIGHLY disturbing.
Atleast they are honest.
That’s satan for you
Christianity: God is our judge and offered us a gracious pardon and actively does miracles _to bless us,_ but we have a choice whether we will follow God or Satan. As a representative of God, we are commanded to show His kind of true love even to people who are our enemies, seeing them as created in the image of God and with a desire to lead them to repentance from living in sin and salvation. Expectation of eternity is that the sinful parts of you that you still struggle with will be purified, leaving Godly character and the good and wholesome fruits of the spirit as your character and new nature. vs Islam: people are the judge and should be tricking, coercing, killing, and any other deceitful or violent tactic to force people to follow a person who claimed to be god, but didn't do miracles and did things like threaten someone into letting him marry a pre-puberty little girl. Oh, but that's ok, because this warlord _might_ have waited until she was 13 to use her. Blow yourself up to kill others and you'll get women for your selfish desires in the afterlife.
@@nemitv1157Christian’s are pretty honest. If you don’t repent and follow Christ and the commandments your going to hell where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. See. However he made a way for you.
@@nemitv1157how so? Because many hide from this fact
Im in the Saudi Aribia the Holy land of Muslim in my 8 years here as a Expat employee I can say Muslim has no Love compared to the Love that we gained as a Christian
All these christians who are enjoying in comments should watch the whole debate and realise that their own scripture bible has worst than this: Deuteronomy 13:-> "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife [c]of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not [d]consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you." and All these liberals,Athiests or people of other rekigions who are saying that if islam is so peaceful then why punishment of killling. I have some questions for you , will you be killed you go against the Government of a country or against the constitution of the country or you are found guilty of treason ? The answer is yes, so why do you guys have no problem in that law but have a problem against this Law of Islam. Why these double standards ?Similary The reason you will be killed is because you are going against the Governmen. And remember guys A person will be killed only if he openly goes and makes it public so if you keep it within yourself noone will know it and you will be living your life then .Only when he makes it public there are consequences still after that, He will be given three chances to come back , his doubts will be clarified. But if he persists then yes he will be killed.
Firstly, it's essential to understand the concept of due process. In an Islamic state, like any other, due process is crucial. This means that an individual cannot simply be condemned without a fair trial. There must be a court hearing where any objections are presented and addressed. This ensures that justice is served according to the laws of the state. In an Islamic state, the leader holds the same weight as governmental laws being passed in other countries. For example, just as the US government can pass laws regarding treason, in Islamic states, the laws of Islam are the country's laws. These laws, including those regarding apostasy, are upheld as part of the legal system. DONT BE A HYPOCRITE WITH DOUBLE STANDARDS Secondly, it's often pointed out that similar laws are found in Deuteronomy, a book in the Bible. This is clear double standards, especially when those who claim to be Christians do not necessarily practice their religion. However, it's essential to note that while these laws exist, they are often ignored or falsely interpreted. DONT SIT ON THE HIGH HORSE CHRITIANS , AND SAY ITS BABERIC, YOURLL HAVE THE SAME F'N ,LAWS , AND DONT CLAIM YOURLL ARE IN A GREAT COUNTRY THE PREMISE FOR KILLING AN APOSTATE IS FOUND IN CRIMES LIKE TREASON , WITH UR LOGIC TREASON IS GUD , WHY ARE THEY KILLING HIM ,HE HAS FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND FREEDOM OF TAUGHT ,IE SAME THING , OH HE IS AGAINST US (USA) FOR BEING TERRORISTS, FOR WHAT WE DID IN THE MIDDLE EAST , WHEN WE CLAIMED WEPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION .
@@hobdns5933 are you an AI, you seems a master of copy and paste. Just stop.
@@hobdns5933next time you copy paste, make sure you check for grammatical errors first Secondly fix your language because you prove you don't belong in a conversation about faith Thirdly Islam is false based Surah 4:171
After the old testament,Jesus came with the New Testament and Jesus never ordered us to kill but He said we should love one another.
Jesus supported Mosaic law which had lots of killing.
It seems like the best way to convert someone to Christianity is to show them Islam. I think and hope that applies to current Muslims too, who would have so much to offer us in joining with Christ.
@@standard-user-name If they're a pagan perhaps due to some similarities Christianity has with some pagan faiths (which is due to Paul and the Church borrowing those ideas to easily attract them into Christianity). Otherwise, it is far too difficult for people to go from believing in one God who is all powerful, has complete knowledge and power and cannot be contained by the heavens (like the Bible says) to believing He can be contained inside a woman's uterus, lose power and knowledge and is three in one. Christianity has found it far too difficult over the years to convert Muslims (like Jews with similar beliefs about God). In Islam, God is Most Merciful and Just and loves to forgive the sins of the repentance whereas in Christianity he dies to pay the price of those sins. That and God being a person or three persons and changing so drastically is far too illogical for most people to believe if they're not raised up in the religion. The Trinity alone stumps many Christians raised in Christianity and causes them to leave the religion often.
Firstly, it's essential to understand the concept of due process. In an Islamic state, like any other, due process is crucial. This means that an individual cannot simply be condemned without a fair trial. There must be a court hearing where any objections are presented and addressed. This ensures that justice is served according to the laws of the state. In an Islamic state, the leader holds the same weight as governmental laws being passed in other countries. For example, just as the US government can pass laws regarding treason, in Islamic states, the laws of Islam are the country's laws. These laws, including those regarding apostasy, are upheld as part of the legal system. DONT BE A HYPOCRITE WITH DOUBLE STANDARDS Secondly, it's often pointed out that similar laws are found in Deuteronomy, a book in the Bible. This is clear double standards, especially when those who claim to be Christians do not necessarily practice their religion. However, it's essential to note that while these laws exist, they are often ignored or falsely interpreted. DONT SIT ON THE HIGH HORSE CHRITIANS , AND SAY ITS BABERIC, YOURLL HAVE THE SAME F'N ,LAWS , AND DONT CLAIM YOURLL ARE IN A GREAT COUNTRY THE PREMISE FOR KILLING AN APOSTATE IS FOUND IN CRIMES LIKE TREASON , WITH UR LOGIC TREASON IS GUD , WHY ARE THEY KILLING HIM ,HE HAS FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND FREEDOM OF TAUGHT ,IE SAME THING , OH HE IS AGAINST US (USA) FOR BEING TERRORISTS, FOR WHAT WE DID IN THE MIDDLE EAST , WHEN WE CLAIMED WEPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION .
@@standard-user-nameFirstly, it's essential to understand the concept of due process. In an Islamic state, like any other, due process is crucial. This means that an individual cannot simply be condemned without a fair trial. There must be a court hearing where any objections are presented and addressed. This ensures that justice is served according to the laws of the state. In an Islamic state, the leader holds the same weight as governmental laws being passed in other countries. For example, just as the US government can pass laws regarding treason, in Islamic states, the laws of Islam are the country's laws. These laws, including those regarding apostasy, are upheld as part of the legal system. DONT BE A HYPOCRITE WITH DOUBLE STANDARDS Secondly, it's often pointed out that similar laws are found in Deuteronomy, a book in the Bible. This is clear double standards, especially when those who claim to be Christians do not necessarily practice their religion. However, it's essential to note that while these laws exist, they are often ignored or falsely interpreted. DONT SIT ON THE HIGH HORSE CHRITIANS , AND SAY ITS BABERIC, YOURLL HAVE THE SAME F'N ,LAWS , AND DONT CLAIM YOURLL ARE IN A GREAT COUNTRY THE PREMISE FOR KILLING AN APOSTATE IS FOUND IN CRIMES LIKE TREASON , WITH UR LOGIC TREASON IS GUD , WHY ARE THEY KILLING HIM ,HE HAS FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND FREEDOM OF TAUGHT ,IE SAME THING , OH HE IS AGAINST US (USA) FOR BEING TERRORISTS, FOR WHAT WE DID IN THE MIDDLE EAST , WHEN WE CLAIMED WEPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION .
I'm not a religious person but I feel so lucky that I was born in a Cristian country 🎉
Being born in a Christian country doesn't get you into Heaven. Only accepting Christ as personal Savior does. Don't let good fortune send you to Hell because you never saw a need for a savior.
U think ur lucky cuz ur pastors teaches u life is just a phase and everyone will end up in heaven cuz jesus christ dies for our sins even if youre a serial killer. If its like that then why are we here on earth? What is the point exactly
Christian is peace, you can do what you want, you can do it with freedom
You cant even spell it. We don't live in a "Christian" country. If we did, I would be a practicing Christian. But I am not, and I can still go about my day. Name the passage from our Constitution that describes establishing a "Christian" country. Its not there. Only a reference to "God" . What God? It doesn't say.
I hope you’re not referring to the United States as a Christian country because it’s definitely not one…
I find it disturbing how much respect is being given to this discussion when they actually call for one of these men’s death.
We need to pray.
They are not calling for the death of one another. The Muslim is approaching this from a philosophical perspective. Robert is claiming that his biggest grievance with Islam is that apostates (people who leave a religion) are to be put to death. However there is no way that Robert can logically prove that ordering an apostate is an objectively immoral act since his own religion claims the exact same thing. Jake is proving a point, not calling for the capital punishment on Rachid. Keep in mind this would need a full sharia government, with witnesses, trial, etc. none of these people have the authority to carry out capital punishment on Rachid under Islamic law.
Cont. Essentially they are exposing the hypocrisy of these two Christians
@@yassineelyacoubi2430 He is Christian, Christianity does not call for the death of apostasy. This is false. The man when asked said apostates should die.
@@turdferguson7504 did you listen to the christian scripture that was read? about killing the family member, friend, etc, who tempts you to leave the religion? Or am i misunderstanding it because it seems very clear that even christianity has this order, even if it is not practiced.
I love the person who said "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for Sabbath" He is my God, Lord and love of my life.
The best argument against an Islamic State is the Dawah answer to "What is the punishment for apostasy?" "In an Islamic State it is dea-" yeah case closed. Don't let Islam anywhere near the levers of power. Thank you for your honesty.
if you didn't know that ruling before joining islam you dont get killed. when we tell you if you join islam then leave it you will get killed, are we encouraging you to join the religion or telling you to be carefull and dont join it unless youre 100 percent sure?. In islam there's no room for hypocrisy, you must be honest and pure with ur intentions. you dont join a religion thinking it might be wrong and i change it, then you are a hypocrite
Have a read o haters of truth They want to extinguish the light of Allāh with their mouths, but Allāh will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although those who associate others with Allāh dislike it. Verses from Quran(last revelation)
@@Servant_of_Allah_956 so what IS the punishment for apostasy?
@@Servant_of_Allah_956 Mohammed is like that one kid in class who copies from the smarter people and tries to pass it off as his own 😅. So Muslims believe in one God, they believe in the same prophets as Jews, they believe in Jesus, but we're supposed to believe that this one guy in a cave by himself received the final revelation. RIIIGHT. Im sorry but that just sounds ridiculous.
You are lying , there's no punishement for changing your religion ,God is the one who will do the punishement in the judgement day for those who change their religion and died disbelievers.
"He who is without sin may throw the first stone"~ Jesus Christ
And you know whats amazing, in that crowd, only Jesus was without sin, so He had the right to cast the first stone. The Law Himself chose forgiveness, chose Grace and chose love, all He said to her was "go and sin no more" , this is the new covenant we follow that was promised by God in the Old Testament.
@@Chartail1never looked at it this way so cool
That's an interpolation not found in the oldest manuscripts of the 4th Gospel
He who throws a stone at me, I will reply with a rock. Muslim, Christian or fish.. Jimboslice
John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
A Muslim can live here relatively peacefully, but can a Christian live in a Muslim state peacefully under the same circumstance? This is something that must change and we as Americans need to come to grips with Islam is not compatible with America today or ever.
Bingo.
islam doesnt seek to be compatible with ever shifting morality and modern day liberalism and hedonism. Islam is for all times and a perfect book nuanced in its approach covering all judicial topics. Islam is simple , easy to practice, and its not overbearing at all.
We have many Christians in our country (Oman) who never faced any burning of their book or any attacks to what they wear while on the other side Muslim women get attacked in western countries because of the hijab or group of men getting attacked because they are praying. Our neighbours are Christians and we meet on daily basis never did they say that we are scared to live here. Besides religion, they feel safer living here since the percentage of crime is way more less than USA and bullying is barely known. Alhamdullilah for Islam and i always say you got to search of Islam not from the enemies but from the people of Islam themselves.
@@omaniomani6178false!
Actually, yes, in many Muslim countries when the population is 80, 90%, Muslim and 10% Christianity or other religions Muslims do not go out their way to harm those are the people at all unless they are provoked first. Know your rights know your facts before talking that bullshit
The “gentleman” in the light blue gown is clearly there to fight. He wants a boxing ring, not a podcast.
All these christians who are enjoying in comments should watch the whole debate and realise that their own scripture bible has worst than this: Deuteronomy 13:-> "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife [c]of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not [d]consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you." and All these liberals,Athiests or people of other rekigions who are saying that if islam is so peaceful then why punishment of killling. I have some questions for you , will you be killed you go against the Government of a country or against the constitution of the country or you are found guilty of treason ? The answer is yes, so why do you guys have no problem in that law but have a problem against this Law of Islam. Why these double standards ?Similary The reason you will be killed is because you are going against the Governmen. And remember guys A person will be killed only if he openly goes and makes it public so if you keep it within yourself noone will know it and you will be living your life then .Only when he makes it public there are consequences still after that, He will be given three chances to come back , his doubts will be clarified. But if he persists then yes he will be killed.
Firstly, it's essential to understand the concept of due process. In an Islamic state, like any other, due process is crucial. This means that an individual cannot simply be condemned without a fair trial. There must be a court hearing where any objections are presented and addressed. This ensures that justice is served according to the laws of the state. In an Islamic state, the leader holds the same weight as governmental laws being passed in other countries. For example, just as the US government can pass laws regarding treason, in Islamic states, the laws of Islam are the country's laws. These laws, including those regarding apostasy, are upheld as part of the legal system. DONT BE A HYPOCRITE WITH DOUBLE STANDARDS Secondly, it's often pointed out that similar laws are found in Deuteronomy, a book in the Bible. This is clear double standards, especially when those who claim to be Christians do not necessarily practice their religion. However, it's essential to note that while these laws exist, they are often ignored or falsely interpreted. DONT SIT ON THE HIGH HORSE CHRITIANS , AND SAY ITS BABERIC, YOURLL HAVE THE SAME F'N ,LAWS , AND DONT CLAIM YOURLL ARE IN A GREAT COUNTRY THE PREMISE FOR KILLING AN APOSTATE IS FOUND IN CRIMES LIKE TREASON , WITH UR LOGIC TREASON IS GUD , WHY ARE THEY KILLING HIM ,HE HAS FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND FREEDOM OF TAUGHT ,IE SAME THING , OH HE IS AGAINST US (USA) FOR BEING TERRORISTS, FOR WHAT WE DID IN THE MIDDLE EAST , WHEN WE CLAIMED WEPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION .
Firstly, it's essential to understand the concept of due process. In an Islamic state, like any other, due process is crucial. This means that an individual cannot simply be condemned without a fair trial. There must be a court hearing where any objections are presented and addressed. This ensures that justice is served according to the laws of the state. In an Islamic state, the leader holds the same weight as governmental laws being passed in other countries. For example, just as the US government can pass laws regarding treason, in Islamic states, the laws of Islam are the country's laws. These laws, including those regarding apostasy, are upheld as part of the legal system. DONT BE A HYPOCRITE WITH DOUBLE STANDARDS Secondly, it's often pointed out that similar laws are found in Deuteronomy, a book in the Bible. This is clear double standards, especially when those who claim to be Christians do not necessarily practice their religion. However, it's essential to note that while these laws exist, they are often ignored or falsely interpreted. DONT SIT ON THE HIGH HORSE CHRITIANS , AND SAY ITS BABERIC, YOURLL HAVE THE SAME F'N ,LAWS , AND DONT CLAIM YOURLL ARE IN A GREAT COUNTRY THE PREMISE FOR KILLING AN APOSTATE IS FOUND IN CRIMES LIKE TREASON , WITH UR LOGIC TREASON IS GUD , WHY ARE THEY KILLING HIM ,HE HAS FREEDOM OF SPEACH AND FREEDOM OF TAUGHT ,IE SAME THING , OH HE IS AGAINST US (USA) FOR BEING TERRORISTS, FOR WHAT WE DID IN THE MIDDLE EAST , WHEN WE CLAIMED WEPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION .
True actually !!! 😂😂😂👊👊👊
And he won
Why do muslim presistently ignore the very existence of the new testament and always refer to the old testament when debating christians?
Because Christians claim to believe in the Old Testament and say it's from God. So when they criticize Islam for the same laws found in the Old Testament, they're criticizing their God and being hypocritical. They're confused though and there's always been a classical and embarrassing rejection of the Old Testament and it's too difficult to reconcile God of the OT being Jesus in the NT.
@@nunya54 One big difference though is that catholics believe the bible to be inspired by God, but not written by god himself. Moreover Catholics consider the old testament to be concealing the truth of the new testament, and that the new testament had to be revealed to understand the old testament. Lastly I don't think there is one catholic trend in all it's history that aimed at applying the laws in the Leviticus. that's just silly. (I speak about catholics bc there's an infinity of strangge protestant sects and I don't know orthodoxy)
@@nunya54Christian’s don’t believe in the old testament. It’s more so a history lesson. It shows people of what could have happened to them if Jesus never died on the cross for their sins.
@@benjaminreyes3624 Is the Torah a history book written by the scribes or is it the word of God? Is it true or not? Is it from God or not?
@@nunya54 because you don’t believe Jesus died on the cross for you sins. It’s a book you’ll have to follow. For those of us who sins are saved by grace. It doesn’t apply
When you openly call for an innocent man's murder just because he has a different opinion than you, you reveal your savagery
Just to clarify it is in hadeeth not the Qur'an, people confuse the Qur'an with the hadeeth.....Qur'an is the book of Allah SWT, hadeeth is what was delivered at certain times it's not a direct commandment...
Like in leviticus right?
@@andreaguilar6685Do you not understand that Leviticus is the Old Testament? Christians follow the New Testament as that was when Jesus was introduced into the Bible. You’re confusing Catholicism which teaches both old and new Testament. Jesus came as man in order for Father God to understand the evils and sins of mankind because in Old Testament he kept destroying peoples of the earth due to their evil disobedience but then said he would send his son in flesh to become as man in order for God to understand humans weakness to sin. God is so good that without Jesus coming into human form, he could not understand because God has no evil in him to see just how or why humans did have evil within themselves. That is why Jesus said “ please Father do not judge them for they do not know what they do”.
@@msfyzad كل ما تتزنق اقلع.
@@Luvothrsmor22Catholicism also is about the New Testament. Isn't that why they called Christians aka "Christ-like"? The level of ignorance in these comments is heartbreaking.
One of The hardest things in life is to accept that what you believe or was taught your whole life was wrong or a lie.
Exactly. That's why I left Christianity. Lol. See how that works...
Yep. That's why I became a protestant.
@@blackseed9293l think he may mean all religions.
@@mikeholmed7029 any religion, or how your parents raised you. I’ve literally seen ppl have to accept at 30 years old that their parents are or were ignorant when they was growing up and unfortunately society had to show them that.
Yup, like liberals or democrats. That's why I became a Republican.
Imagine being scared of being killed for what your heart & soul truly seeks ..
Americans need to hear more of this. Most have no idea what we are up against.
And europeans
I'm a christian and i've never seen this topic of conversation remain this civil. Great job by the guests and PBD you did an awesome job moderating.
👉❤to all Muslim out Please and ❤Christians out there Please this 👉👉Jesus is very clear about the law he came to fulfill all the law and to accomplished and the law will pass after Jesus fulfill it Jesus fulfill all the law on behalf of all of us so we are not under law but grace (Romans 6:14) 👉read Matthew 5:17-20 Christ Came to Fulfill the Law17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away,thisc an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished 👉👉Romans 6:14For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. 15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
“Certainly! Matthew 5:17-18 is a passage from the New Testament, specifically from the Gospel of Matthew. Here is the text of those verses (ESV): "17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." In these verses, Jesus is speaking, and He emphasizes that He did not come to abolish the Law (which includes the Old Testament laws and teachings) but to fulfill them. He goes on to say that not even the smallest part of the Law will pass away until all is accomplished. This indicates the continuity between the Old Testament (the Law and the Prophets) and Jesus' mission as the fulfillment of that divine plan.” ------ “Samuel 15:2-3 (NIV): “This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” These verses are part of a passage where God commands King Saul to punish the Amalekite people, including both humans and animals, for their actions against the Israelites” --- Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (NIV): “If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and worship other gods’ (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.”
U cud at least help them know what the Holy Spirit is saying. There is absolutely NOWHERE in the Christian bible that rules out due process where death is the penalty. 2-3 witnesses r required. The Holy Spirit always makes the different. Do u know Him?
civil? Those two Jihadi's literally said they want the guy who converted away from Islam to be put to death. Thats not civil
@@jllj9231 As an ex Muslim I have to say that Quran needs a very serious overhaul... it's a book a terrifying book like old Tora and Bible used to be, it needs censorship ASAP! but it will NEVER happen since UK-US and their other allies capitalize on the trrst potential of Islam to have military presence in many regions. I have a theory that the british empire is responsible for keep Muslims conservative just in case.
I thank God to be born a Christian. What a blessing
i thank god to be not a hypocrite like you.
Faith come by hearing, and hearing by the word of God
Well you can’t be born saved, that’s a conscious decision you have to make for yourself. But yes, being born into a Christian family is such a blessing 🥰🥰
@@journeybug3050 those guys on the left got exposed as liars and hypocrites in this podcast.
@@journeybug3050 yea because they are using the bible
they way they try to ask questions with intent of attacking no matter the answer and then not letting them answer with context to his question while repeating his question impatiently goes to show how little communication skills he has or rather how much more these brother have to grow and learn to comprehend layered convos, that or its just str8 mind games
16:25 Rashid said that “if Muslims are a majority today, these two brothers would witness my killing in front of the people and they will be happy, cheering the crowds that I was killed”. The two brothers did not refute or interrupt his statement there like they did everywhere else. I don’t know enough about Islam to hate it but this ☝🏾 is concerning
Watch ex-muslim conversations and you will find lot of concerning stuff.
the bible says the same to kill the apostate if you watched the whole podcast you would have known if you believe in bible then this should not be a concern for you
@@shykhsaif8781Where does Jesus say to kill apostates?
Watch David wood and apostate prophet
@@shykhsaif8781the old testament law was done away with in the new testament and the coming of Jesus. Jesus made a new covenant
Bruh this convo was deep; so happy I am Christian and live in a Christian country.
These arteists need to watch this video to see the true enemy. You're lucky you're in a liberal country that allows you to think how you want. Muslims...
These atheists need to watch this video to see the true enemy. You're lucky you're in a liberal country that allows you to think how you want. Muslims...
True and what country do you live in?
Soon U will be ruled by Islamist
What country? Cause the US is def not a Christian country lol
Patrick keep doing great things!
PBD has the Balls of Steel, keep it up bro.
It seems to me (as a novice) the Muslim gentleman doesn’t seem to understand that the Old Testament was a precursor to complete forgiveness through the blood of the Christ.
So Moses went on to murder babies on his own according to you?No God involved?
Aka bs💩😭
Seems you don’t understand that Muslims are killed every day in the name of freedom lol
Very true 😂😂😂
The Old Testament makes up approximately 65 to 70 percent on the Christian Bible. Most Christian teachers of it do not cover the authority to take the lives of others under the Old Testament concerning apostates. They will teach how Jesus came to give eternal life by teaching love for God ( and accepting His son as savior)and man ( your neighbor). Jesus established the New Covenant by fulfilling the laws of the Old Testament and Old Testament (OT)prophesy.This was done by becoming incarnate, performing miracles described in OT prophesy , being sacrificed on the cross to forgive mankind’s sin, then being resurrected. Belief in Him, these 2 new commands he preached and His biblical teachings which include the beatitudes were to direct mankind to righteousness, salvation and eternal life after earthly death. From what I have learned Judaism and Islam do not accept Jesus as a savior to man. Islam accepts Him as a prophet. I believe, but I am not totally sure of His status in Judaism. I have heard different opinions from different folks who followed the faith. This discussion centers mostly about writings in the OT, much of which in Judaism is the Pentateuch, which are basically Mosaic law and writing of the prophets. There are other elements of the OT, but I will leave that to the rabbis and theologians. Interestingly this conversation comes at the right time. There are many faiths on earth. These three faiths have had significant impact on worldly events and spiritual offerings. Interesting, the father of each faith is Abraham. These are considered Abrahamic faiths by many, Each faiths ancient elements include the Pentateuch as much of its moral code and law. The Christian Bible also includes the New Testament which centers around the life of Jesus , His mission on earth, His works and His apostles etc. Islam has Mohammed and his life and teachings along with updating writings and its Imam. I believe all three have Eschatology prophecy (end times)teachings which have differences. This discussion is a good one to have to many can understand the secular and spiritual aspects of each faith and how they affect daily lives and emotions. Please continue these discussions. Thanks to all willing to discuss the issues presented during the debate.
“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” (Matthew 5:43-44)
Timothy 2:12
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36).
Follow the religion and dont use it like a Google quotation to justify your comments. Follow completely or say you dont follow Christianity
@@amyassyassin7909 Jesus is not describing the sword of God's judgment, nor one of military action, or of personal violence. The item Jesus refers to here is the Greek term machairan, most often used for large knives such as those used by fisherman. The main purpose of those blades was to separate different parts of a cut of meat-this is the same term used in the book of Hebrews to depict Scripture's ability to separate truth and error (Hebrews 4:12). In other words, Jesus' message will naturally create division; this "sword" will divide the world into those who believe in Him and those who do not. His arrival will bring great conflict as those who reject Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God will turn in hatred against those who hear and believe (1 Peter 4:3-4; John 15:18-21), including the members of one's own family. 1 Corinthians 2:15-16 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
@@amyassyassin7909 lol do you understand this verse??
Christianity has modernized and become so healthier than what it was and so has many religions. One religion is lagging behind a lot I feel.
Although I don’t fully agree with the religion thanks for getting these guys together! A lot of good points and arguments were made
When someone leaves or denounced Christianity, you'll never be killed by another Christian...
In fact, we'd probably give you a hug and pray you come back.
actually, althought that might be true now, during the old testement which was commanded by the same (God), it was commanded that who ever leaves their religion is to be killed. Yes, the same thing you guys are crying about is quite literally in the bible, but worse. ironic isn't it? as iff christans cant be honest to their faith. i recommed you wathc the full video, the christans got put on show.
Thanksgiving might be weird. But you’ll be there.
bro apostasy killing rule is in every abrahamic religion not just islam but christainity and judaism to unlike u guys their at least honest about it Deuteronomy 13:6-9 If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife [a]you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9 But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
@@thepublicpotato3887 Have you looked at the context in this verse? Here Moses warns the people against listening to a close relative or a dear friend who may entice them secretly to serve other gods. He then commanded that the tempter must be put to death. This needed to be done to ensure that such a wicked act is not repeated among the Israelite community. Remind you all of the isrealite comunity were at the time Gods chosen people so they knew of his existence yet still worshiped other "Gods". Also by christian standards Moses is not the most important figure in the bible because in christian perspective every human did some sort of evil doings. except Jesus Christ of Nazareth. So When you look see that verse Moses isn't speaking in general for all people. Only to the isrealites. Which indeed was wrong. Just goes to show how much evildoing humans can commit. This is why we need Jesus. He is our perfect example of a pure good human. I hope you understood
I can't believe they didn't kick those guys out of the building after literally saying a member of the panel should be killed. No excuse for that.
They will say '' its what islam teaches, so its not their fault ''
It’s very eye opening to know that friendly neighbor may just be waiting to take you out….
@Belovelyava You forgot the quotation on "friendly ".
@@Belovelyavatheir religion teaches them to lie in sake of themselves and Allah. Pure Satan worshippers.
If their so willing to self expose their violent positions I suppose they should be given a megaphone.
When Muslim bro starts quoting at 9:29 it’s literally an old scripture when Christian bro said that those types of scriptures aren’t valid in today’s Christian values. This is exactly what Jesus came to die for.
But Jesus came to uphold and fulfil those laws and scripture and he said those laws could not be abolished. Only Christians after him said they were and invented the story of his death to attract pagan converts to the new religion Paul created. Even if Christians don't follow those laws, they still believe in them and believe they were from God or were upheld by Jesus. So being critical of them in Islam means also being critical of them when God revealed, allowed and legislated the same and when Jesus upheld the same. It's hypocritical.
@@nunya54you’re wrong, respectfully. Jesus literally was performing miracles on the day of Sabbath, talking to women, touching lepers, and denouncing the authority of the religious leaders of the time, so no, he did not come to uphold the law.
@@joelmacias8818 Jesus said in his famous sermon of the sermon on the mount. Matthew, Chapter 5, verse 17 "Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill."
Bless you in your heart so big! I’m feeling like you described but I’m amazed to be learning this all. I’m seeing ones like you, choosing Jesus. He’s chosen us too. All with his Love for His creation.. ❤
To even need to argue about the morality of murdering someone for changing their mind is just insane.
It's not insane because all morality is taught. Empathy and morality are not the same; when you are young you only have empathy but as you grow up you need to be taught morality, which supercedes your empathy, or else you will never have it or you will develop it by your own philosophies. The Christian ethic from which the American concept of human rights comes from is unique to the Christian worldview, it's not the default innate morality of mankind and in fact most of the modern American youth have no understanding of it and are being taught an oppressor/oppressed-based morality wherein the lease privileged is always the morally superior.
@@gorkyd7912 But you are mistaken, because Morality is derived from somewhere depending on your way of thinking. So, if you, as a christian lets say, say you are a moral entity, your morals come from god, which is itself an amoral entity, and in that mindset, morality is a dictate from authority. But if you are an atheist, your morals dont come from there, the base of it was inherited from social behavior on apes and other mammals, we complemented them and enhanced them, putting emphasis on social and individual well being. So, if your religion says it is moral to kill some one for say, adultery, I would say that adultery is immoral by itself, because it disrupts both social and individual well being, but killing some one for it is even more immoral for the same reasons. The moral compasses are entirely different.
@@Alientcp Sorry to say you're not demonstrating any understanding at all. If you are a Christian your morals come from being raised up and educated by other Christians. They may be trying to interpret the concept of morality through an understanding of the nature of God from writings in scripture but they are not being given morality directly from God. And it's never a dictate from authority for anyone because every person has the choice to disobey any authority at any time; they weigh the consequences. The morality that comes directly from God is empathy and conscience and everyone has these whether Christian or not. If you are an atheist you are taught your set of morals by the people you study and admire, same as Christians but they are atheists. Morality is not inherited it is taught, so any atheist saying they inherited morality from the social behavior of apes probably has no concept of morality. An atheist who says some behavior is immoral but the punishment for it is also immoral can't really claim to know anything about social well-being. If you don't defend morality from violation then you don't support it and your society will self-destruct it will not have greater well-being.
We were put on earth by God to learn, not to repeat the same behavior again, and again. By doing that we would have stayed up on the trees. It´s time for Islam to move forward, to learn to respect the free election of people.@@gorkyd7912
Islamist never understand that they follow a disgusting medeval ideology
Poor guy feels threatened when he talks about killing everyone that doesn’t think like he does… what a crazy world we live in
He’s got a target on his back, if he ever travels to a Muslim country or has some Muslim in the West go after him.
This guy is proof Islam is dangerous. He's openly calling for the execution of someone who left his religion.
That actually sounds exactly like Trump worshipping fake Christians.
@@WaryOfExtremesOriginalin Nigeria Pakistan it happens every month. Recently Nigerian Christian girl was killed by Muslim mob coz they think she disrespected pedophile Mohammed. Many translator of satanic verses book killed stabbed attacked by Muslims all over the world. Islam is dangerous political ideology and dangerous cult parading as a religion
I doubt he has an ounce of self-awareness.
This was a debate of the blind leading the blind. No Islam does not condemn people to death for practicing their freedom of conscience, in fact having that freedom is the WHOLE point of this life so that you are judged BY GOD after death as to what you did to it. Removing that freedom by force is an affront to God’s plan. That is why the Quran teaches “no compulsion in faith.” Spencer has made a career of Islamophobic narratives and Daniel is seen in the Muslim community as an extreme minority opinion. Whereas the position I described is the overwhelming mainstream. So this is sadly a Jerry Springer episode.
Surah al-Kahf 29. And say, “The truth is from your Lord. Whoever wills-let him believe. And whoever wills-let him disbelieve”.
Another verse that was later abrogated by another verse. Do you know about this?
@@TheGodFahader which one ?
@@ehmry984 You quoted half of the Ayah either you quote it all or not at all, Quran Surah AL KAHF 18 Ayah 29: And say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “˹This is˺ the truth from your Lord. Whoever wills let them believe, and whoever wills let them disbelieve.” Surely We have prepared for the wrongdoers a Fire whose walls will ˹completely˺ surround them. When they cry for aid, they will be aided with water like molten metal, which will burn ˹their˺ faces. What a horrible drink! And what a terrible place to rest!
Then why there is a comand for apostate for killing.
@@iamanonymous7244 Thats a question for christians i suppose
As an atheist, Im so glad I live in a Christian/Western country, If I didn't I would be dead just for not group thinking.
Amen to that. Thought the same 😂
No, you are happy that you live in a christian/western country IN THE 21th century. When christianity was practiced more stricytly (unlike now) you would be stoned to death probably.
You would have survived in East too because there are countries like China , India , Japan ,Korea , etc where being atheist isn't wrong . In fact there are hindu atheists in India
@@ObsidianSpearhead They say "western" but what they mean is liberal, not the geographic location. Japan, India and Korea are all liberal. China is different; in China you can be ended for NOT being atheist.
In a world controled by a false religion you are being forced to beleive and also forced to worship. Atheist are persecuted as they proclaim it is a refuge for different beleifs. Deceivers do not want to be questioned, because questions invoke truth..and remembering the lie is compromised by tiny little slip of the tongue.
The difference between the attitudes of the Christians and Islams panelists is astounding. In itself it truly depicts the difference betweeen Christians and Muslims.
To be fair, they pitted academics against extremists.
And the crazy thing is that you don't have to be a scholar to see it. It is as plain as day.
@@bradleybrunner5698these men are salafis dont try and excuse them you wahabbis and salafis are nothing but cavemen
judge a tree by the fruit it bears
That's just not true. Both of the angry Muslim men are well educated they just choose to be intolerant and see others as the problem
These guys literally said they want shiria law back🤢 absolutely disgusting, watch your children around these two
Never was I happier to be a Christian
And it is sad some Christians have taken it for granted.
Happy to be an idol worshipping polytheist (Christian) 😂
@@mikeyounes2756far better than following someone with blood on their hands. And hatred in their speech.
@@JacintaRebello-jm9gm at least you're an honest idol worshipping polytheist (Christian) btw here's a challenge for you we have the Quran and we have the Bible I can show in the Bible where it says death to apostates and death to anyone who doesn't worship the God of Israel can you show me in the (Quran) where is says death to apostates or death to anyone who doesn't worship Allah??? I'll help you out nowhere in the Quran does it say that.
@@mikeyounes2756you are talking about the trinity. You have to be a really not intelligent person to not understand the trinity. Trinity: one Godhead, three people: the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. As simple as that brother, we have one God, the Shaddai, Elohim, YHWH. Islam has one Fake God, which is Allah, Repent and believe the Gospel love you brother ❤️
He changed the subject as soon as the former muslim turned Christian laid down the simple plain truth.
Which part?
@@Enormoussaa I think it was about if US became majority Islamic. Daniel switched it to himself being threatened.
This is a standard tactic of someone who is cornered. Either admit you are wrong or jump far away to a new spot.
We walk by faith not by sight!
No-one should be punished for leaving or commenting on any religion, to say “well they do it” is NO defense
Only according to people but not according to God and to be Muslim means one submits to God knowing He knows what is best and that people don't instead.
Islam is the religion of peace , a piece here and a piece there
They are blind! How can you believe in killing a human being just because they don’t believe or want to follow your religion. Clearly they don’t believe in love or peace! This is not even a debate, these people love death and oppression and us Christian we love life and liberty. ❤
God bless you. But you see all the comments of the people here ? This was not a debate. Those muslims dont understand the basics of our religion.
“Sa’b bin Jaththamah said: ‘The Prophet (ﷺ) was asked about the polytheists who are attacked at night, and their women and children are killed.’ He said: ‘They are from among them.’” Grade: Sahih (Darussalam) Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 2839 In-book reference : Book 24, Hadith 87 English translation : Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2839
Lady u shud read the old testament or about the Christian conquests in history..u are full of hate even now for polytheist..or people who don't believe in your god..example a hindu ..😂😂😂
I agree.
because they think different. to them, being ruled by a none muslim leader (awlia) is “oppression”, and that “oppression” must be changed. they also believe that the law in none muslim countries are made by man, and not by “god”. that is why countries that have muslim minorities always create trouble. islam in other words is not compatible with democracies.
When Christians have people leave the faith, we start praying harder for them. ❤
Because Christians don't follow Jesus who followed laws of killing apostates.
😂😂😂😂 better pray for ur self
@@Al_Farsi_ I do pray for myself, thanks. Just like I pray for others.
no you dont, you dont even notice or pray, u keep eating bacon the next morning and drinking beer
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What does liberal secularism have to do with the Christianity vs islam ? 🤔
On the note of slavery in the Old Testament - if you were a Hebrew you were to be set free on Jubilee regardless of duration of your enslavement. If a slave from a foreign land converted and became a Hebrew they too would be set free on the Jubilee. This is also true for the forgiveness of debt. In other words it’s more about redemption and forgiveness but people either haven’t actually read it or choose to ignore it to build their straw man arguments and false equivalencies.
When I was uni in Malaysia, there were a few Pakistani students at my cafeteria seated at the table directly behind. They were talking about non-Muslim nations and how people of those nations are vile and they deserve bad treatment. I turned around and said to them “is that what you think of me”. They all went quiet and eventually one of them responded “yes, that’s what we have believe firmly”. I was gobsmacked.
We invited this evil into the west and its only gonna keep growing until some sort of tipping point when Europe realizes "Oh shit, these people ALL want to rule us", and by that point most likely the US is gonna have to go in to clean up Europe's mess a third time.
It's not their fault tbh. It's the narrative that has got them. They must have grown listening to this narrative again and again. And now that they aren't in Pakistan, they probably live with/around people who share the same belief as them. That's why it is so important to spend time with people who aren't from the same background as you. You learn a lot that way. It changes your perception of the world. Hopefully these guys learn this someday. Or else they will end up teaching the same narrative to their children and they'll grow up to become the same as their fathers.
@@architbhagat- well said! Agree 100%
in our (western) countries, we don't do shit that the porn industrie controls the teens and all the people, we don't do shit that the media, the music brainwashes our kids to be hedonistic animals. We brainwash whole society to think of us "liberal and free" and better than all the people who still live in villages in africa or middle east. And you think they are bad for thinking our countries deserve bad?
be so real with yourself right now most non muslim nations specifically the west have no morals left yall literally have girls doing onlyfans
There is no double standard. The reason Islam is criticized is because people are currently and actively committing atrocities on humanity today!
Very often these atrocities are committed with the connivance of the Islamic countries. Pakistan is a glaring example.
Ohhh but the Israeli.jews aren't?? And haven't been for the last 100 years??
I wish you would hold Christian countries like UK accountability when they give away land that's not theirs to give, or when America lies about weapons of mass destruction just so they can collapse a society. The irony
Thank you!
And Christians aren't?
i dont study the bible, but i am catholic, and ive never been to a mass where they speak for violence against anyone, its always about forgiveness and love one another
Violence in religion is/should be only as a result of punishments for laws broken as God legislates. Christians don't follow the laws of God in the Bible. Forgiveness and love is a modern adopted idea to promote and retain Christians rather than actual work which is what is actually contributing to its decline.
I loved how to tables flipped when he asked "Should I be killed" about 12 minutes in, because now the 2 Muslim brothers are trying to elaborate their answer just how the 3 guys were at the start, and the guy was acting like the muslim brothers at the start saying "yes or no, yes or no, yes or no..."
The findings show that the Christian civilization was responsible for the largest amount of kiwiings in history! The results are as follows: 1. Christian Civilization - caused ca 236 million 2. Antitheist Civilization(former Communist Block) - caused ca 124 million 3. Sinic Civilization (East Asian) - caused ca 107 million 4. Buddhist Civilization - caused ca 87 million 5. Primal Indigenous Civilization - caused ca 45 million 6. Islamic Civilization - caused ca 31 million,.,.,....
whilst Islam teaches that even in woah, innocent. 🧔♂👩👴👵🙅♀🙅♂ 👶 🌴 ⛪ are not to be touched and if they are we would go to 🔥.,,.,.,.,.,.,
the reason paulanity is at the top and islam is at the bottom of the above list is cos in the bible, it teaches that all of the above were to be un ali8ed. ,.,,..
in Islam, we r to love our neighbour as ourselves whatever relgion they were. thats why when Islam expanded, they allowed everyone to practice their own religion, with their own courts etc. the only conditon was that they paid income tax. this tax was only upon men, of those only who could afford it. no elderly, women, were reruired to pay, and they wer exempt from militry duties. whilst upon the muslims, zakat which is higher than the tax the non muslims paid, was upon men and women, and they had to do milit duties. they did not force their relig onto others, and therefore didnt impoze zakat on them. this is why when ch3wz were bein purse. cute. ted around europe, by the paul followers, they ran to muslm lands for safety.... these r facts. any1 can luk it up. whilst when paulanity x. p4nd3d, it literally unn. 47ibed everyone who dint blieve. and thats why you see the huge diff in numbers above. the oldest churches in the wrld are in muz lands. there are 10ml christians in egypt....
And it's all in the scriptures. They will cherry pick from the Qur'an and present verses that were revealed during w04h, against ppl who had broken treaties, and then even being given 4 months to leave, and if they didn't, then they were to be tacked. And during this, if any of them were to ask for mercy, they were Commandd to take those ppl to safety and protect them. Meanwhile to this day, jelly. Slides are being kmitted and they r quiting the bible verbatim, to justify why they un. Alibe. .....👶.,,........
God bless that man who converted to Christianity ❤ He exposed to whole islam problem
No, not so fast! These pseudo-Christians are doing what they are known to do - betraying Christ with their lies! Noticed how the panel comprises of Muslims only - whether ex or y? And notice, how the conclusion was drawn in collective agreement and undeniably taking on the hue of political nature and with a common enemy apparently?!! Draw your own conclusions from here on...and for Heaven's sake, Christians STOP trusting Muslims at all. Read the following and understand better: 1. Why do these Christians feel obliged to defend that which Christ has Himself refuted, rebuked and repudiated - both in Word & Deed? 2. Why do these Christians feel obliged to defend Mosaic laws when Christ has Himself refuted, rebuked and repudiated it by replacing it with Grace, Truth and surpassing Righteousness of God which was since the very beginning, even before mankind were created? To which, all genuinely faithful servants or prophets of God pointed to, constantly reminding the peoples to retrace their steps back to the crossroads, where the Gospel (God-spelt) and Manspel (man-spelt) diverge, that they may seek out the Ancient Path which leads to Righteousness & Life. 3. Why do these Christians feel obliged to defend the wolves who masquerade as sheep in their midst? It isn't as if Christ hadn't been faithful to forewarn the world of them? 4. Why do these Christians on the other hand FAIL TO feel obliged to show how Moses had ended up lifting up & upholding the Serpent (symbolic allusion to the Devil) instead of God, and how he had replaced the Power of God's Word with his own rebellious spirit of aggression - thus forfeiting his Calling & Election to lead the people into Canaan? Thus also exposing how Islam follows the same path of rebellion, even upholding Satan as 'God', as was espoused by not just Moses but going all the way back to their so-called 'first prophet' Adam who is in fact the one to set the ball rolling by CHOOSING DEATH OVER LIFE IN SPITE OF FAITHFUL FOREWARNINGS FROM GOD. 5. Lastly, and most importantly, why do these Christians FAIL TO feel obliged to make it known loud & clear that God has clearly not entrusted Judgement to man, that it is NOT PERMITTED to men to take God's Judgement in their own hands? The coming Judgement of God is a Reality waiting to take place at its Appointed Time, and Christ has clearly exhorted and taught to all who will heed Him to patiently & prayerfully wait for it. Islam is the most deplorable of all manspels, next to Catholicism. One the pretentious Satan worshiper, conveniently forgetting Satan is also but ONE. The other openly profaning the holy Name of God by taking His Name in vain and adding the Same in a vain bid to validate themselves, even as they add It to their collection of pagan deities comprising of mortal men & women, going as far as to relegate the Lord as a mere man like them to justify their exaltation of them on par with Him.
Congrats, for every Muslim who converted to Christianity, 1000 Christians convert to Islam 😂 I think that is pretty good exchange rate for Muslims 😂😂😂
@@tommybond8630 Only a son of the Devil like you will laugh about the Deception and Destruction of yourself and the rest of you.
@@tommybond8630hahaha u mean force to convert to Islam or misguided and after a short time they leave with a huge sigh of relief
@@tommybond8630lol you don’t convert that many people Muslims have always been dishonest. It is what they teach you in the Quran, that you can lie to achieve your goals… it’s called Taqiya. Imagine your holy book teaching you that it’s okay to lie to get what you want. That’s why Muslims are dishonest! Taqiya : concealment of one's thoughts, feelings, or character; pretence for a religious goal … in this case conversion.
I live in a Christian majority place,and one of my cousins decided to stop believing,but we all still love him,no hate.
time to pray for that man ^^ and have some good convos when the time comes
Yeah for real. God gaves us free will.
that means you do not believe in your scriptures
@@ahnafsayem4991no if you watch the video the Christian guy has specifically explained that the Old Testament is an old covenant and because Jesus Christ came to save us from sin by dying on the cross the New Covenant and the New Testament are the rules that are supposed to be followed. It’s pretty straightforward if you’re not looking to always argue 😂
@@tigstabraha6476 with all due respect we don't have to take this guy's words as the truth. I don't think there is a verse in the new testament that tells the Christians to disregard the old testament. In fact you can find the contrary in the new testament in the following verse: The New Testament demonstrates that this ruler is Jesus, and He said, “Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose” (Matthew 5:17, NLT). I have a question. Why do you guys have so much trust in the words of paul who had been a persecutor to the early converts and then suddenly he miraculously had a "vision” that changed his life to the course of being an apostle. Firstly Paul has a failed prophecy which suggests that the then alive christians will be alive at the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus which surely did not happen. Also paul has distorted verses of the old testament to suit his own agenda. After everything how do you guys risk your afterlife on the sayings of a man whose truthfulness is a matter of doubt.
The way I paused when the Muslim said “yea so.” Because that’s should’ve been end of his sentence.
honestly, put aside the religions, these 5 men were really great, they debated in a high level intelligence and calmness....salute!!
There is no such thing as islamophobia, Phobia is an irrational fear of something
Poor Israeli people 😢 they've been trying to tell the world for almost a century. I lost all my sympathy for PALESTINE Oct. 7
well I'm afraid of getting blown up by someone who never met me because im white and don't dress like a stone age caveman or i have gf/wife/ sister who isnt covered in clothes 😮
10000000% correct
There's nothing irrational about fearing a fascist hateful religion.
Your hate can't overpower God's will.
I am an ex Muslim. I haven’t seen my parents or siblings in 27 years as l don’t trust them. I am female and l am so glad to have left a false pagan religion. I became a Christian two decades ago, and l love Jesus. I am save by the blood of Christ and l know how much he loves me. I don’t care that my family has rejected me, as l know that only Jesus can save me, and the love l feel from God.
I'm glad that you left. This is finally the first time I see a female testimony that was a muslim but then converted to Christianity and Im glad for you. Because you left a male-supremacist system that oppresses Women.
Im sad that happened with your family, but im glad Jesus touched your heart and blessed you. “Let not your heart be troubled” Jesus is with you and all of us
May Allah swt guide you back to the truth. La ilaha illallah! There is only one God. That’s the one true God that Jesus prayed to
@@misszuleika Jesus never worshipped anything, he just prayed to the father for our sins and taught us how to pray to Jesus. u need Jesus bro.
@@misszuleika😂😂
I love these kinds of debates. It's funny because it's like two people defending their two different constitutions, which were made in old times.
It’s not double standard!! it’s not the Christian or Jewish that beheaded people in our life time and do so much violence. That’s why ppl bring up that more when talking about Islam because it’s known by its sword that a peaceful message
I’ve never felt like any Christian in today’s society is afraid to leave the church. Not the same for Islam
I want to comment on why, when anyone talking about Islam, they talk about 5% bad instead of 95% of good? Because of what is living condition of Islam majority countries population whose are non Muslims? Second, many Muslim countries conditions of the general Muslim population? I believe nothing wrong with the religion and problem is people who follow. Any religion, if any person or group, took to extreme level, and it will spoil that religion's holiness.
@fireheart5004 it's not 5 percent bad 🤣 bro
@@fireheart5004 If you're a Muslim making that claim then you don't really have a right to speak about the minorities in those countries.
Well I think a lot of Christians who leave the church experience some kind of fear and loss... But they aren't afraid that community will literally murder them for leaving.
@@fireheart5004 95% of Islam is not good. It is the opposite. 95% of Islam is terrible and there is maybe 5% good things. Islam is a religion that has violence, rape, mass murder, child marriage, sex slavery etc. inherent in the very core. There is no Islam without those terrible beliefs as espoused by the quran and Muhammad. That's like saying "why do those people always focus on the 5% bad stuff about Nazism, instead of the 95% of good things"?
"I am in danger because I want non-believers to be murdered". - Daniel, the good Muslim
The Christians in the video reject their own scripture and its rulings while claiming to be Christians. this is called apostasy in Christianity. How can they sit there and deny the words of God and say they have come with something better than it and say that his rulings are outdated/not needed.
@@shadowstorm5261 that's largely old testament, jesus came down you idiot. What did he say to the women who comitted adultery? He said do not stone her, SPARE her. Jesus does not believe in such punishments, and he is him. That was revolutionary at the time and in fact when he said that the jewish leaders(pharises) at the time were appalled and questioned jesus. Islam is a joke, unlike the bible, it allows for child marriage at the age of 6. and sex at the age of 9 or 10. That's sick, and muslims by and large believe this too and praise Muhammed for marrying aisha at age 6 and penetrating her at age 9.
@@shadowstorm5261 It's called freedom. You should try it. Feels good and be able to live a peaceful life without someone wanting to kill you cause you don't agree with them.
Your referring Judaism not Chirstianity brother. Don't get them confused.
@shadowstorm5261 when Jesus came, He said the old will pass away, meaning the old testament and He replaced it with the New Testament....thus, the Christians in this video were not going against the Bible
I m thankful to be born a Sikh our belief system is embedded in humanistic values.
there is no death for converting from islam to Christianity and I am Muslim There is no such thing like this in the Quran...this is came from the wrongdoers.
Freewill is sacred, murdering a walkaway is falsehood
Its when you are won over by the love of Jesus is when you understand what true love means❤
i call BS
@@blixerie9317 Bloody Sensational?
Please please just 🙏 come to Jesus come to Islam ☪️ Jesus a beloved prophet of Islam ☪️
But Jesus is Muslim😅 Doesn’t he said he pray by putting his head on ground like Muslim does? Did you read Bible?😂
@@mohiruddin8207 there's no jesus in Quran, fool. only isa, that guy whom no one knows the location of his birth, when was he born, how long did he live... isa is a character made up from the imagination of Arabs to deceive people from coming to the True Messiah YESHUA
In the Northern part of Nigeria where it is mostly dominated by Muslims. Thousands of honest Christians have died due just being Christians in peace. It’s so sad to think that it was seen as a crime of being themselves and living to what they believe in.
thats very upsetting, whats even more upsetting is that these people who r representing islam. It is against the religion to kill people for simply being a different religion or have a different belief system. People like those damage the image and name of islam.
There is no law in Islam that calls for killing innocent people or Christians.
@@nunya54Yea but sadly, this is what’s happening currently in Nigeria
@@nunya54 if they walk away from islam or disrespect islam yes there is
@@nunya54, unfortunately Boko Haram has free reign on murdering Christians. Teenage Christian girls are continuously being kidnapped and forced into marriage to Muslim men. If they resist, they are killed. Christian children in Egypt are continuously being kidnapped by Muslims and being raised as such. This is why so many Christian parents have crosses tattooed on their child’s arm to remind them that they are Christians.
In surah al Maidah verse 67 Allah says "O Messenger! Allah will ˹certainly˺ protect you from the people. At that time, according to Ashia, Mo had bodyguards. So, Mo told his bodyguards to discontinue his protection. In the beginning of his massage, Mo asked the Arabs to protect him. Mo had to flee the threats he faced in Mecca to Medina for his own safety. In addition, Mo and Abu baker had to hide in a cave when they were being followed. During wars, Mo's followers used to build a tent for him away from all the fighting and provide him with security detail for protection. During the Uhud battle, Mo was attacked and suffered major injuries. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT EVENT IS MO'S DEATH FROM THE POISON WHICH ZANAB BINT AL HARETH, GAVE HIM. Did Allah certainly˺ protect Mo from the people. Just Thinking!!!
What I gather from this is that both these religions have loopholes or things that do not seem perfect in them, as other religions also may have and as people, we should acknowledge these things instead of masking them.
Brother casually admits he would kill a man for changing religions and then plays the victim because his religion is targeted with violence… Bananas.
LOL! Statistically, Christians were the most persecuted religious people in history... Muslims playing the victim card is hilarious...
Very Ridiculous!!!, he didn't even answer the question of Muslim becoming the majority in USA...
just what happens when humans try creating their own religion of relationship, there’s always holes and questions. With God He’s always right.
That's what Islam calls Taqiyya. It permits deceit and plays victim. Thats why the radical left is in bed with Islam because victimhood mentality is one of their core techniques.
Makes Scientology look kind of cuddly doesn't it.
I am from Nigeria. People flee from Northern Nigeria to Southern Nigeria to escape the death penalty. The barbarism in Islam is something else
Do you think that the country will fracture in two parts?
@@anon2034 i don't see that happening.. Nigeria is way too diverse...
@@ulehgodstimedabest2174 I mean something like The Biafra War for example but today.
i don't think it will happen. am from Nigeria and a Biafran @@ulehgodstimedabest2174
@@anurishmodak941 Hopefully not, Islam needs to recede
I think there’s a difference between advocating for slavery and documenting that happened. It’s a historical text. There’s many times in the Old Testament it specifically states that selling people is wrong.
No, the Old Testament is in favour of slavery, there is no where it states it is wrong unless it happens to the Israelites. Then it is wrong because it happened to "god's chosen people". Also no, the bible is not a historical text, and no other holy book is
None of us are nothing without Jesus Christ I love my Jesus Christ he is everything to me I can’t imagine that my life without him and thank you for sharing
So scarry for someone to tell you in the face you be killed. 😢
If you walk with Jesus, you will never die. The pain and length of your life and death will be like sleeping under a bridge for a single night and going back to your Father's mansion.
لانه دين اجرام، سبي، نهب، عبودية ، اغتصاب
Please, most muslim countries apply this to ex muslim haters, especially when they gain some kind of credit for spreading very false information.
This is real islam
@@nooralgroonand you support such stupidity?
I am so happy he finally said Jesus saved us from the laws of the old testament as far as killings
If Jesus is God, he wrote those laws which one has to say are just if they're from God/Jesus.
@@nunya54 God can rewrite his laws, as he did on the cross. clearly the old law was not working so God has created a new law that works for him and sorts out the sheeps from the goats
Except this goes against what most Christians say that God cannot change@@williesreserve7475 God did change right? He changed his laws, became Jesus? coming to earth because he couldn't understand humans any other way and killed himself to pay the price he himself set. Why does God need the blood sacrifice of himself to forgive sins?
@@nunya54 the cost of sin is death and Jesus sacrlflced himseIf in our place out of Love and grace but he rose in the 3rd day and lives forever..
@@williesreserve7475 If Jesus is God, he set the cost and then paid the price himself? This does not make sense. God cannot die and this would make God an unjust, not loving God. God can do anything which means He can also forgive sins. If this is true, that means God required a blood sacrifice which means he's not loving. He wanted an innocent person to die for things he did not do. Who believes that about God? Good thing there is no evidence this is true. The first followers of Jesus during that time did not believe Jesus died. The people that actually saw Jesus did not believe that. James, the disciples, the early sects of Christianity, all closest to him in time, did not believe he died. It was common knowledge in the first century that he did not. It's not true. There's much evidence against it. It was another made up story of the gospel writers.
Both side arguments straight to the point, 1) can anyone leave the religion freely? 2) can any religion bad practice can be take down from your book? Arguing for so long no answer, bcoz answer in everyone heart.
I left religion ages ago, I’m more of a believer of Christ than anything else.
I was shown a picture of me with the Iranians in a canteen. I did not want to insult them by not eating their food, and they already had the food i eat. Fried eggs, chicken and a third( just cant remember what the third was) So,they had no problem with my food choice.❤
Brother Rachid really nailed it when he says "even Jesus does not kill adulterer woman in New Testament, giving example that Old Testament murderous law is replaced with forgiveness"
It wasn't replaced. It was fufilled when Jesus died. God's wrath was taken out on Jesus. Those laws still applied which He took the punishment for. The point to that was, nobody is righteous TO kill someone for their sins, as we ALL have sin. Nobody has the ability to kill ANYONE for sinning. We are all unrighteous made righteous through Jesus' blood.
That story is not authentic it was added as a good example
God sent a messiah to save us from the consequences of our sins...death! 1 Corinthians 15:55-57 King James Version 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
@@virk734you either made that up or got it from a “source” that’s not a source.
These pseudo-Christians are doing what they are known to do - betraying Christ with their lies! Noticed how the panel comprises of Muslims only - whether ex or y? And notice, how the conclusion was drawn in collective agreement and undeniably taking on the hue of political nature and with a common enemy apparently?!! Draw your own conclusions from here on...and for Heaven's sake, Christians STOP trusting Muslims at all. Read the following and understand better: 1. Why do these Christians feel obliged to defend that which Christ has Himself refuted, rebuked and repudiated - both in Word & Deed? 2. Why do these Christians feel obliged to defend Mosaic laws when Christ has Himself refuted, rebuked and repudiated it by replacing it with Grace, Truth and surpassing Righteousness of God which was since the very beginning, even before mankind were created? To which, all genuinely faithful servants or prophets of God pointed to, constantly reminding the peoples to retrace their steps back to the crossroads, where the Gospel (God-spelt) and Manspel (man-spelt) diverge, that they may seek out the Ancient Path which leads to Righteousness & Life. 3. Why do these Christians feel obliged to defend the wolves who masquerade as sheep in their midst? It isn't as if Christ hadn't been faithful to forewarn the world of them? 4. Why do these Christians on the other hand FAIL TO feel obliged to show how Moses had ended up lifting up & upholding the Serpent (symbolic allusion to the Devil) instead of God, and how he had replaced the Power of God's Word with his own rebellious spirit of aggression - thus forfeiting his Calling & Election to lead the people into Canaan? Thus also exposing how Islam follows the same path of rebellion, even upholding Satan as 'God', as was espoused by not just Moses but going all the way back to their so-called 'first prophet' Adam who is in fact the one to set the ball rolling by CHOOSING DEATH OVER LIFE IN SPITE OF FAITHFUL FOREWARNINGS FROM GOD. 5. Lastly, and most importantly, why do these Christians FAIL TO feel obliged to make it known loud & clear that God has clearly not entrusted Judgement to man, that it is NOT PERMITTED to men to take God's Judgement in their own hands? The coming Judgement of God is a Reality waiting to take place at its Appointed Time, and Christ has clearly exhorted and taught to all who will heed Him to patiently & prayerfully wait for it. Islam is the most deplorable of all manspels, next to Catholicism. One the pretentious Satan worsiper, conveniently forgetting Satan is also but ONE. The other openly profaning the holy Name of God by taking His Name in vain and adding the Same in a vain bid to validate themselves, even as they add It to their collection of pagan deities comprising of mortal men & women, going as far as to relegate the Lord as a mere man like them to justify their exaltation of them on par with Him.
I’m Christian, but this was an incredible debate. Thank you Valuetainment.
How so? This seems a typical intra-religious argument where a conservative islamicist tried to equivocate the barbarism practiced today by creating straw-men arguments and reaching back in antiquity to laws which haven't been sanctioned in millennia.
If you think that's a debate, wait till you hear an actual debate.
@@CERBERUS300ify nah it was a debate with two anti-muslim dumbasses though lmao
What part of "we think you deserve to die because of your apostasy" is incredible to you, I'm baffled at ya'll. Chirtians as an exmuslim atheist like what are you trying to do??
Just because someone claims to be a christian doesn't mean they are.@@negaro9113 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Matthew 7:21
Old testament: living under laws New testament: living under grace
Are they both from God or not?
@@nunya54 Yes
@@ritagitau-ck9it Is that God Jesus? If so, when God, Jesus, said in the Old Testament to kill disobedient children, to burn daughters alive, to stone adulterers, was that law coming from him or not?
And why there so many people today convert islam ? It's not the eyes is blind but the heart is
I’m so thankful that I was born in a Christian family, and in the United States. Don’t take it for granted. Imagine being born in an Islamic country where you will be killed for leaving Islam. Don’t take your freedom for granted.
Amen praise God
If the USA becomes majority Muslim... 'God' help the world 😢 I think you're right, it makes me sad/angry looking at many of the American youth of today that don't know how lucky they are being American with religious freedom... I mean all countries have flaws but a Christian raised USA has contributed lots of good to the world!
Please then pray for our brothers and sisters in muslims countries and don't forget about yourself.
mohammed was the messenger of Hubal(lah) also know as allah and huballah. Mohammed message was the everyone should bow down and worhsip the Kabaa temple and moon rock in the kabaa that belong to huballah the pagan god. That huballah had talked to mohammed to in a dream telling mohammed he was the one true god not Jesus. The Kabaa was a small temple that had various pagan god statues and Huballah was the top pagan god, the name hubal mean god of gods and allah means king of gods. Even back than Huballah was considered the top true god of the Meccan people in Saudia Arabia and even to mohammed. Mohammeds father and granddad owned the statue of Huballah that was in the center of the Kabaa and the moon rock belonged to huballah and it was passed down to mohammed whose mission was to say that Huballah was the true god and that he mohammed was the messenger of Huballah. The moon and star the muslims use was used to represent Huballah the moon God and the black moon rock in the Kabaa the muslims fall down and worship to belonged to Huballah the moon God.
@@KINGandWINNER Thank you very much for bringing some briefly information like this of previous faiths of the islam religion, which origins are very obscure. I remember back in 2011 I think, I was intrigued to read a book in my native language I cannot exactly remember the title, but it sounds something like: "The prophetical signs of the end of times". It must have been translated from English. It wasn't very thick, about 200 pages but the information presented in the book was quite interesting, even if I wasn't totally agree with some things. I can remember it was largely exposing in its subject the role of Vatican and its revelations at Fatima. On the other hand it was a little about the islam and its origins and the author of the book criticized it by saying that muslims must ask themselves if they are honest, how islam worship the true God, if Mecca and Medina was built on the ruins of previous notorious, most important pagan temples of that times? And it was mentioned in the book the name of that previous pagan temples but I cannot remember. If you consider you can help me somehow to remember, you're wellcomed.
I love being a Christ follower. I love everything about Christinity. God is not interested in religion but in a relationship. My Muslim family is so lost . They need Jesus. I will never give up praying for them.
Why would god in his infinity perfection be “interested” in relationship. He’s whole and doesn’t need anything 😅 you got it all wrong maam
Why didn’t Jesus show up and what is Jesus waiting for? Jesus actually is a slave of a God and he’s a messenger. He will never do anything to you or respond to your messages as long as God didn’t give him the order.
No I don't. Every knee will bow down and every tongue will confess Jesus Christ is LORD. You will see
bla bla bla nobody cares about fake person Gay Jesus
@@charlenejulius8501Amen sister in Christ. Don't pay attention to fools, they will bow down to a true living God. JESUS IS LORD #JESUSOVERMUHAMMAD
No matter what is said in any of these debates the truth is the truth and nothing any of us say will change a single thing.
you have miz. understood. there are specific conditions to this rukling. its like tree. son in the west. it is punchible by d34f here. we arent allowed to force others to accept the truth. theres no point of that. look at the history of Islam, not from ppl who are inspired by shay. tann and dont want u knowin the truth.
Having a conversation with those two Muslims is like playing chess with pigeon, first they just knock over the pieces, poop all over the board and then strut around like they won the game.
This ex Muslim man speaks the honest truth. "HONOR KILLINGS" really are a standard recognized practice in all Muslim countries at times. Most muslim countries have few or even no laws against "honor killings", because tragically the general populace supporrs that kind of practice. Honor killings have even been done in non-muslim countries, such as Canada, Brazil, the U.S. and even Japan. A prime example happened here in the U.S about ten years ago. A taxicab driver had two beautiful well behaved daughters. He became more and more incensed, and then enraged, because in his view they were becoming gradually ever more "westernized" and he believed that was sinning against Islam's teachings. He murdered both of them , then fled to the protection of other muslims that sympathized with that belief. After a number of years he was finally discovered hiding with his brother. He was arrested for the murders Amnesty International, and the U.N. both say that around 5,000 honor killings, mostly of women, happen every year. And the trend is gradually rising. The people that do the murders are almost always family members, typically a father or brother. Let's ask ourselves, .. is that what a true religion would condone and actually promote ?!?
there are some good points against islam, but honor killings is not one, its a cultural thing and not backed up by the religion
No, it's backed up by the religion. There's lot of verse in Quran say things like that and ur stupid muhammad prophet the one who do that. I'm from Indonesia, people can get killed by stupid muslim just cause they mocked stupid muslim prophet, not only that the punishment for religion mockery is apply only for non-muslim. Example there's a case of Christian debate about Muhammad behavior and callout muhammad is a pedophiles, which this argument is true anyway and he get jail time for 10 years, even before get sentence he was planned to be killed, luckily this was discovered before he even died, last time we heard this guy couldn't walk anymore. The perpetrator of this act is a police officer and has never been detained until now. and as usual, stupid Muslims praised his actions. on the other hand there's muslim mocking Christian get jail time for only 3 month and there's a lot of case that never get to court. if muslim do that, the whole country suddenly deaf.
@@bluelightmoon777watch the video bro it's clearly stated and admitted
@@princejohn1358 you only get the death penalty when you cheat on your spouse
@@bluelightmoon777the Quran explicitly calls for nonbelievers to be killed. It also states that a woman's worth is less than that of a man's. Their "prophet" Muhammad, if he existed, forced himself upon a literal child and kept sex slaves. So, this violent mysogyny is intertwined with Islam.
This truly is valuetainment. How does he bring all these people together? It’s amazing.
yes, just like "Europa the last battle"
True boss. Real man
Quran (only scripture with 100% accuracy/preservation) says Allah is “Al-Ahad”(one/indivisible).Philosophically, It is impossible for 3 distinct perfections to exist simultaneously. Father (Perfection 1/distinct1) =Son (Perfection 2/distinct2)=idolatry.This is due to addition of two extra perfections that are Co-equal/Co-eternal&distinct with Allah(the most Exalted). Not just the Quran, but also the old/New Testament textually establish tauheed(monotheism). So, then why believe in trinity and associate two imaginary parts to Allah(one/indivisible/Self-Sufficient/All-Loving)? How could your love/worship be undivided/exclusive for Allah(the most Exalted) when there are two other equally unique/perfect entities to adore? The verses of bible used by trinitarians are extremely vague and require hard interpretation to extract the understanding that Father/Son/Holy Ghost are Co-equal/Co-Eternal&distinct.
There is no bridge to bring the Muslims and the Christians together. The Muslims' side agreed that apostate should be killed. The Christians disagreed. The Muslims said, you are not following the Old Testament command to kill apostate. The Christian asked the Muslim, you are an apostate. Should I kill you? The Muslim answered, yes. 😅
@@bluesky45299 Yo bro you seem like you know a lot about religion. May I ask why islam denies the crucification of Jesus. Because from what I've heard of religious and secular sources it seems to be a historical fact. Btw I'm just curious this question isn't to trigger anyone.
Just so you guys know, we, as Muslims, have no right to judge someone. We are not allowed to say someone's a believer and someone's not. We literally have a verse that says to each their own belief, their own lifestyle. If someone has a different belief than Islam, you have your own, and we have ours. We do however, have to keep and sustain our religion's origin, traditions, and ethics. Please read guys, please ❤❤
My god may allah protect this brother. He shut them down
16:17 this brother said it all. I truly felt his pain and sadness. This is the gospel. I don't understand why these muslims think they understand what Christianity is because they read some old testament books.
Exactly
@@ngozinwankwo5051they try to find any passage that can possibly relate or even agree with theirs , but then when the Bible disagrees with them , they say the Bible is corrupted 😂
Context is everything.
In the First Testament (as Scot McKnight likes to call the Hebrew scriptures), YHWH was claiming both the land as sacred space and the Israelite people as a nation of priests to the Nations to live in His land. That's why when the Israelites abandoned YHWH and were doing evil things including child sacrifice, YHWH kicked them out of His sacred space to Assyria and Babylon as a way to clean out sacred space. This was temporary.
The Christian might extend that to why the remaining people of the tribe of Judah were temporarily kicked out again after Babylon in 70 AD until 1948 after rejecting Jesus as YHWH's promised suffering servant and representative to accomplish what Israel was supposed to accomplish (e.g. Jesus' 40 days in the wilderness success was representative of Israel's 40 years in the wilderness failures, etc...). Could it happen again? I hope not... but are they being a nation of priests to the world? Destruction of the nation would mess with all the Dispensational interpretations of Biblical eschatology. I have a different interpretation framework so it's not inconceivable to me that God could do this again without messing up the framework.
I am so thankful to God for being born into a Christian family in a Christian country.
There is no Christian countries anymore they are all on their way to becoming Islamic lol
America ain’t a Christian country
so what is your point you stay your place and we stay our place
Amen
I like how the muslim gentleman kept interrupting, then told them to "let me speak".
10:55 the double standereds here is blowing
Is a blessing to be christian ❤❤❤❤
Amen
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Many people forget that before the 20th century many Christian nations were like modern radical Muslims. Spain kicked out their Jewish and Muslim communities after their conquest of Granada, England had banned Jewish people since the times of Edward I until late 16th century, Italian states often forced non Christian communities to convert, Nazi Germany attempted to exterminate an entire race because they didn’t practice the main faith, protestants and Catholics fought violently against each for centuries, thousands of women were burned on the stake just like some Muslim societies ruthlessly oppress women, many indigenous groups in the Americas were killed & African people were enslaved or colonized and the Bible was often quoted to justify all these atrocities. The proper statement should be being a modern Christian is a blessing since we now recognize how religion can be weaponized and don’t wish to repeat the past mistakes of the generations who came before us since it surely wasn’t great in the past for millions of people on the wrong side of the faith.
And as a christian you belebe genocide is objectivity wrong ? or do you agree that Killing children is fine If God commanded it like he did in the old testament all the time
Amen
I am a former Muslim too I converted to Christianity. It’s love, peace and unity. Even tho I suffered and still suffering from where I was living, society, relatives and even my own family until today while I live in the USA and I’m still suffering because according to their faith and Islam I’m ( kafer) which described in Quran that I should be prosecuted! Meanwhile I’m sad because the US government is issuing visa, green Card and citizenship to these radical islamists who are on the streets and protesting against US and Israel. They ruined the asylum process, most of these people not in danger in anyways while when they get here they lie over lie that we are in danger back in their country the only reason they are here is because their countries doesn’t have good economy so they get here they get rich, they buy houses, they get citizenship, they send money back to their country, they eve go and visit the country they came in after getting Green Card and citizenship and they advertise Islam, they want to change the society and communities and no one is getting their way! While those who are really in danger because of their ideology and believe they are living a life where you can’t have status, no work authorization, no place to live, no support from NGO’s and unfortunately this is the reality of today so far in USA.
May Christ guide and protect you.
Okay as a Muslim I’m wishing you the best of luck in your next life but don’t consider all Muslims being like that. Nowadays we tend to believe that it’s Allah (God) who’s going to judge you. I’m half American half Djiboutian. I do have Christian Djiboutians friends back home and they live in a 99% muslim country and it doesn’t harm them. I will still make dua for you personally and wish for you to come back to Islam someday, but not wishing you harm as well. Take a chill pill!
And you forgot to tell us that your dad was Imam in Mosque😂
Lol...bullshit
If you are an ex Muslim then why keep the name Mohammad, I mean it doesn't get more Muslim than the name Mohammad
This is so triggering to me and i unfortunately could not yet have this conversation with these brothers of mine. Literally not understanding the Bible but reading in the way he does. And he didn't answer his question Clear to see who is rational and loving
Thank you for sharing your information. I’m fighting for Jesus too… I will pray for ones being attacked. God seriously works in mysterious ways. ❤️
you have miz. understood. there are specific conditions to this rukling. its like tree. son in the west. it is punchible by d34f here. we arent allowed to force others to accept the truth. theres no point of that. look at the history of Islam, not from ppl who are inspired by shay. tann and dont want u knowin the truth.
I'm so jealous of people born into Christian families and countries. I was born and raised Muslim, then realized Islam is not true later in life. I've lost so many people because of this decision.
If they persecute you, remember that they persecuted Jesus first. You’re in good company. Stay strong.
What a true blessing 🙌 God was able to work within you and lift the veil. Walk in peace for Jesus loves you.
You’re not alone xx 😘 we got u
Luke 14:25-27 '25 Many people were traveling with Jesus. He said to them, 26 “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters-even more than your own life! 27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower.'
All these christians who are enjoying in comments should watch the whole debate and realise that their own scripture bible has worst than this: Deuteronomy 13:-> "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife [c]of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not [d]consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you." and All these liberals,Athiests or people of other rekigions who are saying that if islam is so peaceful then why punishment of killling. I have some questions for you , will you be killed you go against the Government of a country or against the constitution of the country or you are found guilty of treason ? The answer is yes, so why do you guys have no problem in that law but have a problem against this Law of Islam. Why these double standards ?Similary The reason you will be killed is because you are going against the Governmen. And remember guys A person will be killed only if he openly goes and makes it public so if you keep it within yourself noone will know it and you will be living your life then .Only when he makes it public there are consequences still after that, He will be given three chances to come back , his doubts will be clarified. But if he persists then yes he will be killed.