Honda Civic Type R FL5 vs FN2: The Best and the 'Worst'?
2024 ж. 26 Нау.
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We’re back and yes, things are a bit different. We're sad to see the guys go but please welcome our new team: Alex Gassman, self-confessed failed racing driver and one-time drifter of a BMW M2 in a CT video many years ago. And Matt Robinson, a familiar name if you frequent the Car Throttle website.
Today, they're getting up close and personal with the brilliant FL5 Honda Civic Type R. They'll be pitting it against the ‘worst’ Type R of all, the FN2, to find out if you really can have just as much fun for a tenth of the price.
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Car throttle is the perfect example why accountants shouldnt be allowed to make decisions.
I mean, Boeing is a better example, but your point still stands
As an accountant myself, I disagree. You can't blame the failure on them being accountants but more so on them making bad decisions. A good accountant looks beyond the numbers.
@@AaronCurtin quiet bean counter. Go play on your calculator lmao
@@AaronCurtincouldn’t agree more, car throttles accountants clearly valued its assets wrongly. That combined with a determination to not allow certain directions to be taken has meant mass exodus of entertaining talent. Suspect this could be because accountants have advised on money being spent without looking at a holistic point of view about interesting stuff keeping talent and thus viewer engaged. Would love to see detailed analytics.
@@diffedirl Showing a lack of education with that comment.
I feel sorry for Alex, CarThrottles new presenter. He hasn't done anything wrong and was probably excited about his new job until reading the comments. Alex you done really well lad, Stay away from the comment section for your mental healths sake
Well said
Agreed, tough shoes to fill for sure! Personally I found he did a pretty great job considering the circumstances!
Reminds me of new TG when Clarkson Hammond and May left. The majority doesn’t hate their replacements (granted, that excludes Chris Evans) but hate the change and the fact the old version is gone.
@@NavGTI Oh definitely, I just don't understand the hate. We've got a better version of the original CT content on Alex's & TDC channel. Also, now we've got content from Alex and Matt on here. Their both very passionate, good drivers and good on camera
Fair comment 👍
To the new hosts: sorry that you have joined a sinking ship, I wish you the best. To the old hosts: Thank you for every single moment of entertainment you brought to us all. To the owners of the channel: I have no words.
They really needed this episode to be something special. Don’t think it is
as usual people in offices need money dont know what good content is. they just get paid by making sponser videos.. ez dont care if we like it or not the sponsor pays anyxway
Everything I wanted to say in one comment.
Alex Gassman…Absolute LEGEND ❤
If i want to watch a head to head between generations then my go to is carwow. This is just content.
Dw we don't blame anyone for this 😂
@@tboytheasian7894well, not the presenters anyway. They can only piss with the cock they've got. Sadly the owners of CT have other ideas....
Agreed
Shouldn’t that be Alex Petrolsman? 😂
Rory recently joking on AutoAlex podcast "Alex won the divorce and hes taking all the kids" I cant wait for Jack and Ethan to join the autoalex and topdeadcenter crew
Same!! We all know it's coming
More than likely a new channel , with a bit of cross over, 5 people on one channel would be too much
@@MrJinks94yea I agree. Unless. Jack goes to Autoalex and Ethan goes to TDC.
I think Jack would be good fit with Will and Edwin, but I think maybe Ethan might go back to more of the filming and production side with a few cameos.
@@Davetheman461 maybe i think jack and ethan have their own chemistry though,no matter who/if they are with someone else as proven. but the question is what sort of content they would do, as would have to be something different auto alex and tdc
Officially the end of an era.
Thanks for reminding me to unsubscribe.
I'll give them a chance to show that they can come back from making all their presenters run. If i like it, i'll stick around. If i don't like it, i'll quietly, as James May would say, sod off.
You should probably have done it discreetly.
@@THEDARKSIDEOFPOLITICIANSnah. Make this channel collapse
😂😂😂
100% we out this bitch
well if Jack & Ethan have now left too, thats the entire CT hosts rosta gone, and I'm not surprised when they had no ownership over the content they were putting out. RIP CT
It's not the same, I have been subbed for about 8 years now and maybe it's time to let go. Do you know what happened to Ethan and Jack?
I like the clueless regular-bloke looking guys, how did it come to this?
@@totallyworksperfectly5424I saw someone post on Reddit they might have transferred over to Alex's new channel, time will tell
All about the short term profit and no investment. Missed opportunity..
Alex has strongly suggested Ethan and Jack are moving across to work with him at AutoAlex@@totallyworksperfectly5424
Hopefully Ethan and Jack turn up with AutoAlex
Yep
they probably will
@@HAAZZAAH. that's Edwin and Will
Top dead centre
@HAAZZAAH. Top dead centre
I think flying into it with no explanation why the previous team have sodded off is a bit poor from management. Not your fault, but seems like the reasons why Alex left are ringing truer and truer..
If you watch top dead centre, they kinda cover it. But the long and short is, they pulled all funding for car builds and roadtrips etc. Reviews with borrowed cars will be the new norm for this channel.
@@MrJuego it's a shame, people were drawn to old cars and fucking around with em. I'll give it a shot but it lacks the same charm, glad TDC are around though as I really enjoyed Edwin on this channel!
Glad i unsubscribed then. Sounds rubbish @MrJuego
2 minutes in and I already miss Ethan's constant air of sheer panic.
And Jacks not doing anything and complaining 😢
kzhead.info/sun/n8aJeryPe5NsooU/bejne.html ethan and jacks new channel called All The Gear
3.15m Subscribers.... I wonder how long that'll last. Feel sorry for Alex and Matt because they haven't necessarily done anything wrong its the higher ups that are going to cause this channel to crash and burn.
They should take this comment section seriously
@@porlegAlready dropped to 3.14m
@@wpajc that's lot
3.13 now in 2weeks. Dropping like a stone
3.12 now...
People said the last CT outro felt like some foreshadowing...
Yup they said good bye forever
Yup, it absolutely was, and with Alex Kirsten saying even more people will be joining the team soon I think we know where they’re going
In this video Matt compares Ethan to Merry Berry.. she left and didnt continue bake-off on channel 4, so a pretty good indication that Ethan has left and most likely Jack as 'everyone left' was also mentioned in the analogy
@@rhystudordavies Shame. I know I am in the minority going by the comments but I liked the original trio of Alex, Ethan and Jack. The obvious comparisons to the well-known TV programme are fair...because it was also well-loved...
They are on "gardening leave" cant appear anywhere else till they finish their notice.
It’s clear from the comments that you’ve really aggravated most of your audience. All you had to do was empower the lads to do the kind of things we wanted to see, they didn’t want mega budgets they just wanted freedom to make entertaining content, which was never going to cost you a fortune and made you way more money than it ever cost you. But you got greedy and stopped the fun. These new guys have a really hard job to do. You can’t just replace the stars (didn’t top gear teach you anything?). And where’s the video where you own it and give your side? You can’t just gloss over crap decisions that force your talent out
spot on. A £50k car is not car throttle. Im more interested in the £500 shitboxes.
Great comment and straight to the point . I have unsubbed as this is trash now , ethan , Jack and Alex was really good and enjoyable, then once Alex left, I thought it was gonna go. It's up, and then the big boy turned up and was great again. Gutted.
If they keep posting videos I'll take up watching love island instead
It seems like they're going in a new direction and have injected some cash into it. They wouldn't get two new hosts if their limit was like in the Volvo video. I think most people are aggravated by the treatment of Jack and Ethan, the radio silence and then only a word or two to address their absence.
@@Ben-fk9eythey haven't got new talent though, they've pulled a couple of lads out of the ct office and said there you go it's your turn. No thought, no passion, no care.
And that's the end of Car Throttle, hopefully we'll see Jack & Ethan again.
Well lads, thats the end of this channel, it had a good run
Well...I hope the higher ups of CT are happy. they fucked everything up
It's like new Top Gear all over again. None of the content I subscribed for, none of the chemistry, zero individuality.
I have to agree, I know it's not the legends we all know. The most annoying thing is that these people are not acting themselves and trying to be like the others
@@totallyworksperfectly5424"not acting like themselves" yet we've barely seen them so don't know what they're like?
Yep exactly
Then unsubscribe and move on. That era is over with. New hosts don't deserve the shit they're getting because they're just here to fulfill a job. Their bosses and new owners are the ones to take aim at.
@@S1lverArr0w All three of my points are the blame of the bosses and owners, but that does not mean they're not complicit by taking paychecks to parade this corpse of a channel along longer than it has to. If they're as well versed on how old CT used to be as they seemingly claim, then they should know that what they're doing is wrong and just prolonging a milking of a dying channel. There is no "new era", these are death knells, mate.
RIP Car Throttle
This is giving me flashbacks to Top Gear
well we all know what happened then - we got the brilliant grand tour !!!!!
Well car throttle definitely isnt what it used to be..
i agree, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, i think they did really well
Nothing isn’t what it used to be, this Channel is just a drop in the ocean, look at top gear🤣
They sold it, new onwers cut their budget and most left as they could not make the same content as they liked. Same thing that did happen to even Hoonigan that everyone has left. As long as they don't go in the Hoonigan trap and only do one type of video "this or that, and none of them make sense"... It might still work.
2 k dislikes deff aint gonna last
I agreen i just remove my sub
Sorry guys nothing wrong with the presenters really but the video was soooo long and drawn out. It really didn't have any meaning to it and for you to say at the end of the video that it was "pointless" just backed that statement up ☹️
Those dummies shouldve atleast put the same tyres than upgraded the brakes of the fn2 made sure they had an lsd model as well.
It’s like when Klarkson, May, and Hammond left Top Gear.
93k views in 4 days. RIP Car Throttle
3000 likes with 3.15 (now 3.12) million subscribers after 3 weeks, if that ist the sign of a sinking ship…
It’s a shame that today is the day I unsubscribe from car throttle. Alex, Jack and Ethan were why I watched this channel.
Aaaand unsubscribed
😂 feel the same way
Unfortunately true
Same
Yup
Give the guys a chance, we're all getting more free motoring content on CT and other new channels so what is there to complain about
only clicked on this vid because of camber & combustion, get the other CC matt on and I'm here for it!
Was starting to wonder if I was the only one who knew who he was from the comments at firsts 😂
Cant wait for Ethan and Jacks new channel or to be on Top Dead Centre or Auto Alex.
Hoping it's TDC. Alex is too annoying.
@@Fl3tch3r90 I enjoy auto alex because of Taylor tbf. TDC is my new favourite channel lol.
@@richreeve8992The videos on the Porsche were great
No, you are
@@Fl3tch3r90 Absolutely. Being shouted at for an entire video get's lame.
Holy shit... this breaks my heart, RIP Car Throttle :(
Wait a minute, that FN2 has 22k miles and it's a 2010 model which means it probably has a factory LSD. You can't buy one like that for 2.5k, you could probably buy a 2007 model from Birmingham with 199k miles, 199% rust, a boot full of water and a generous helping of lacquer peel! Also, give the new presenters a chance, obviously Jack, Ethan, Edwin and Mr Kirsten are leaps and bounds ahead of them but it's not their fault, it's the new owners that just don't get it! They don't deserve any hate, at the end of the day, they're car guys just like us.
And these are RHD prices. A standard LHD version (which you described as "from Birmingham") starts around 6.5k.
@@HyP3b0Y you might be thinking of Birmingham in the US.. I mean Birmingham in the UK where they're all right hand drive.
😂 that's funny,your description of a £2,500 Fn2 type r is spot on😂
You definitely want the LSD model, it's better! This is the Honda press car which is a late car, say it's worth around 12-15k GBP because of the low mileage compared to 8-12k GBP for a normal late LSD car. It's OK to start with a cheap early car if you are building a race car though -- you are going to replace the open diff with a plated one anyway in that case. There seem to be quite a few FN2s (down the back) in the MC250 Club Enduro championship. I don't think they would be there if it was really such a terrible car --rather it's cheap, it's fairly reliable, they can be tuned to handle OK, you can get another K20Z4 for 1.5k GBP if you blow it up (or a K24 from an Accord for less, depending on your class).
@@mattbossenger9812 it's cos I own one lol
Nothing against the new guys, but I was here for the banter and chemistry between Ethan, Jack and Edwin. So sad to see them go, it's an unsubscribe from me.
Let's give the new lads a chance!
honestly they've done well
i'd love to, but car throttle the company i'm not giving more chances. These presenters are not car throttle and the company still stinks. it is not going to change with the new presenters
@@VcrThunder Matt is more CT than any of the previous presenters, he's pretty much been here since Day 1...
The problem is that I don’t want to support the company running this channel anymore. Nothing against these new hosts, actually do feel bad for them. But I wont support this channel with the current owners
Go check out Camber & Combustion, main host is from that channel & then you won't be supporting shitty Car Throttle shareholders
A better transition to new presenters than top gear. I’ve watched Alex, Jack and Ethan growing up through my late teenage years, from being years off driving to having been driving for 3 years. Obviously I’m going to miss the old trio for nostalgic reasons but I’ll continue to watch car throttle. You are both entertaining to watch and don’t deserve all the flak in the comments.
They all got new Channels now :)
@@tramlink8544 I know, I watch all of them and I actually kind of prefer the individuality from each. Obviously I preferred the ex presenters but I don’t think the new presenters deserve all the hate in the comments. Excited for all the gear’s first video!!
Alex, bring sideways matt with you 😂 we need the C&C lift off oversteer
I remember watching Alex on Camber and combustion, he's a proper driver
New faces, new direction. Please dont fall into the trap of trying to copy and up keep what the other presenters did make you own path and people will stay. I really enjoyed this type of old vs new. It reminded me of them Sections of 5th gear where they had 3 cars of the same category (hothatch) low budget medium budget and high budget (i think it was to a max of 10k back then) anyway good 1st episodes 👍 fingers crossed you make this your own 🤞
Couldn’t quite put my finger on where I recognised Alex from. As soon as he started going sideways in a fwd car I quickly realised it was camber and combustion 😂, might not be to everyone’s taste but still a good video!
This wasn't bad with the new guys. As far as I'm concerned we're just getting more car KZhead channels🤷 Win win.
Considering its their first time on camera, I thought the presenters did really well. A little awkward in places but thatll iron out after a few videos. I doubt the CT audience are gonna be kind but i hope you guys stick at it, more car content is never a bad thing
Personally I found it too "polished" and scripted. No banter and camaraderie, and it couldn't have been any less amusing if it had been presented by my old history teacher.
@@discoequipmenthire The back and forth from presenters comes with experience on camera. Which they don't have yet. None of the in car shots were scripted and to me it felt like a lot of it wasn't. It may have felt scripted to you because the challenges were basic and rattled off like a checklist, it just felt like a stereotypical car show. For a first attempt, that's good going. Once they find their footing, they can come up with more unique and interesting videos.
And with that i say good bye to CT. It was great while it lasted.
Wow I really didn't expect CT to be the ones to announce the next chapter. Thought Rory would just blurt it out on Insta
Bless new Alex he’s in some shoes that will be hard to fill but I hope people will warm to him as he seems like a good lad.
You did this CT. You killed it. Goodbye xo
What happened to Ethan and jack car throttle isn’t car throttle without them
Left to most likely join Autoalex or Top Dead Centre
Probably left, the people running car throttle have been apparently really strict with the budget, remember Edwin said they as in him, Alex, Jack, Ethan etc had no control over the budget plus all the cars they buy are property of CT, not any of the CT presenters.
@@Sithhy I hope they do it would be awesome to see them back together
@@SithhyHopefully they join Top Dead. Can't stand Alex these days.
@@aye3678which Alex?
So pleased Jack and Ethan are doing their own thing, Car Throttle is obviously a sinking ship
man dont hate on alex he was prolly super excited about the new job cheers to you alex
This is the same story as Top Gear. Once they replace the hosts it's just not the same
Bloody hell, it's Alex from Camber and Combustion!
The dude who drifts all fwd cars from "camber and combustion"!!!!
Alex and Matt did a really good job here. Well done fellas! However, Car Throttle needs to realise that we aren't watching for "Car Throttle," we are watching to see the people we like do cool and dumb shit with cars. Or to put it another way, people didn't watch Top Gear for Top Gear, they watched it for Clarkson, Hamster and Captain Slow. We watched Car Throttle for Alex, Jack and Ethan. The fact that the hosts keep changing is suggesting that Car Throttle might be a really shit workplace that doesn't support it's staff. Good luck to the new staff.
It's a tough situation to start in but you guys have done a great job! Great energy through the video and I like comparison of new vs old. Keep up the good work, hopefully you get the creative freedom you need.
Im sure this guy will be good, but i cant do it. Hopefully the algorithm will lead me back here when Car Throttle's parent company gives them a budget to buy cars again
Honestly not a bad duo, I’m digging it. They have good chemistry and seem to be having a lot of fun with it, and I’m excited to see where they go from here
This duo works to be fair. CT is never going to be what is was but I can see these guys delivering some good content if they are allowed to go for it.
A lot of woe in the chat for free content. I know Alex can drive from C&C, so should be good to see what can be made of this. Best of luck lads!
Where the hell is jack and Ethan
Made a new Channel :=
Are*
Guys ignore the positive comments. Focus on the negatives. Stay negative.
Unsubscribed 👍 Long live AA and TDC!
I didnt think that anyone could replace the old guys on Car Throttle, however, the camber and combustion guys are legends! Looking forward to more context!
I personally liked this video, and look forward to more content from these guys. AutoAlex and the topdeadcenter boys leaving has only done one thing. Given us even more content to view. I don't know why people are saying this channel will be dead, I'd definitely watch more content with Alex Gassman and Matt. Great chemistry it seems!
I can't do this 3mins in im out
Alex and Matt, decent first outing! Big shoes to fill as you’ve mentioned but hope you keep it up and we get to enjoy the plethora of Car content there is out there.
I really hope this goes well. Alex Gassman can drive, and I’ve always enjoyed reading Matt’s articles. This should signal a reboot along the lines of Auto Express/Evo shenanigans of old. We just need to hope the new top dogs aren’t going to piss on their chips again.
I’ve got the FN2, I absolutely love it (with the Mugen wing otherwise it looks naked). It gets a lot of hate out of all the type Rs but it’s still an absolute beast
Knew exactly how the comments were going to go. 99% of the people leaving nasty comments have never put themselves in front of a camera, especially in front of so many people. See it as a bonus, you get Car Throttle, you get AutoAlex, you get TDC and whatever Ethan & Jack end up doing. Be better.
Well said.
I liked it. Welcome new presenter team. More well produced car content cannot be a bad thing.
Nope im out
Last comment, unsubscribing
No disrespect to car throttle but it will never be the same. Jack and Ethan were good but not the same without. Long live auto Alex
I hope Matt gets to do a lot of driving, I also hope that Camber&Combustin still goes on as I loved watching their videos! Good luck to you guys!
Well it's officially the end of car throttle...the whole original cast is gone and it will never be the same. RIP Car Throttle
This is now official car throttle now car crap just like top gear when Chris evens took over
I enjoyed this episode. Nothing wrong with a bit of variety - Car Throttle can exist without the previous crew and we get to watch their other channels too. Never going to complain about having more decent car content on KZhead. Still better than Top Gear on the telly.
Oh dear god! Well folks that’s the end of car throttle It was a good ride while it lasted
When your own presenters are joking about scraping the bottom of the barrel, you know you really fucked up
Well we all knew Ethan and Jack were gone, but good to finally have it confirmed. Time to unsub from this channel I think.
Job well done lads. I was thoroughly entertained and look forward to your next videos. Don't get discouraged by the naysayers, big changes always cause big controversy, but i know quality when I see it and you lads have chemistry! Keep going at it and the channel will regain a new, strong following!
All the best to Ethan and Jack! Looking forward to seeing them pop up again on something decent.
While a slightly ropey and older FN2 with > 100k miles will start at around £2.5k, the 10-reg LSD-fitted example they used today, which at its last MOT had < 25k miles, will have been much closer to the £8-9k mark I'd wager, it's probably one of the more pristine examples out there - I don't think this is quite representative of a bottom-of-the-market.
Instantly like these guys Don’t know why people are hating Things change , people move on This is still good content but we’ve still got auto Alex and TDC to enjoy on top of This is a bonus - I’d rather see this than see CT die completely
I hope the comments will be Civil. Not going to throw shade at the new hosts. Remember it's the company behind CT to blame.
I thought I recognised Alex, first saw him on videos driving Clios on Camber & Combustion.
Interesting first video, will definitely be sticking around for more aswell the other channels we can all watch. Nice to have variety. 👍
Wtf is this video... bring back the old cars the old format... so many channels are doing these... bye bye another channel down sigh
I know you are prepared to get a lot of negative comments but honestly not a bad video. Yeah it's not going to be the same, but we thought that when Alex (the other one) left. I am looking forward to see how the chemistry between you guys progresses and where the channel is heading.
Oh wow, I loved the Camber & Combustion KZhead channel until Alex moved to Canada and it sorta died. Mad to see him back and on this channel.
I would have appreciated a bit more of an explanation as to whats gone on. Obviously when Edwin left we all saw the writing on the wall, and then when a month passed without a vid it was confirmed! But as loyal subscribers you owe us more than that 2 second intro... 😡
Yeah, I’m signing off from this channel now, good riddance.
being a new subscriber I think these guys are doing a good job people always complain about old vs new
You’ve given this poor fella no chance. Alex you’re a legend mate, CT have fucked you.
Knew it 😂Good for Jack and Ethan!!! "Sad to see the guys go", like the corporate overlords that own CT now haven't forced them out
Looking forward to seeing what Alex will bring to the show.. Loving him so far!
I dont understand why there are so many negative comments on here, really dissapointing, doubt most even watched the video, give em a good chance ffs, I am happy as more people to watch! gl to the new presenters :)
Well done Alex and Matt. Enjoyed this. I think Car Throttle needs to evolve now. Still remain fun but maybe come from a different direction. CT helped establish a model that is being done so well elsewhere
Good work, it was fun to watch. Looking forward to the next one! 👍🥳
You’ve just confirmed the speculations around the ending of the last video and I can now unsubscribe in peace. Cheers to the owners for fucking the channel up 🥂. Tchau.
alex is a good guy and he has a very good youtube channel ı support him conguralations on your new job
Jeez, this comment section. I get it, people hate changes. And tbh I'm surprised Alex and Ethan stayed with it as long as they did after everyone else left due to the management changes after CT was sold. But even then, at least give the new lads a chance.
To be honest it was becoming more and more clear that there where problem within the CT, no matter what happened you guys deserve your beginning. So best of luck on your begining as faces of the channel. I really hope you guys will not have the same issues as Ethan Jack Edwin and Alex had. Best wishes and looking forward for your content!!!
He tried. dont blame this guy but the new owner