Glue On Wheel Arch Rust Repair (Part 2) - Spraying/Blending Nason BC/CC
2021 ж. 21 Қаз.
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The glue on wheel arch rust repair is painted/colored with base coat, blended into the old paint and clear coated with Nason base coat & Nason clear coat. Tools and materials listed below.
Primer Surfacer: Feather Fill by Evercoat
Finish Coat of Primer: Auto Body Master Lacquer Primer Part# LPG1
Spray Gun: 3M Performance Spray Gun w/ 1.3mm tip
Base Coat: Nason Ful-Base B/C
Clear Coat: Nason Select Clear 498-00
Reducer: Nason Mid Temp Reducer - 441-21
/ @lakesideautobody
Lovely job, and all without a fancy spray booth. This is how we used to do it years ago.
I admire how the pros can make their jobs look so easy. Whether its dry-walling or auto body work I am fascinated to watch a pro work. Thanks a million for your very interesting and informative demonstration.
Thanks and you're welcome Vic - my dad's name was Vic :)
This guy is the Rembrandt of rust repair !
Like taking candy from a baby! You make it look simple only, 3K in body tools and all right equipment. Glad you are NOT breathing all the poisons. LOVE this kind of work, just cant do it any more after my Cancer diagnosis. I have five 28 year old cars. Have to farm this work out. Most body shops are now bolt and unbolt. Wont do this work. Bunch of prima- donnas. Thanks for the video!
You're welcome Ben - hope you are doing well. You're right - not many shops fix rust any more :)
Hi,,, Lakeside Autobody,,,,,,,, crackin old job there buddy i am now retired from Accident Repair",,,,,, had my own place up in Utah,,,,, custom painting i loved,,,, airbrushing murals i have a Peterbilt 18 wheeler i airbrushed with desert scenes an Apache chief's head,, wearing full war headdress bonnet on the doors ,,,,,, but m sure glad i found you,,,, no weld wheel arch repair,,,,,, brilliant,,,,, thankyou for the posting Edwin J Thompson Beverly Hills CA
Thanks for the support Edwin - I'd love to see your murals and custom paint work. My dad worked at a place in Utica, MI back in the 70's called JR's Custom Paint - they did vans, vets, etc with murals of mermaids, nature scenes, mountains, etc. Just awesome - these guys were true artists. If you have pics you can post them in the "Your Projects" website discord.gg/Qm6qJgcubu It's also listed under the "About" tab on the home page. Glad you enjoy the content my friend :) Jerry
@@LakesideAutobody yeah i'll send some pics across,,, bear with me i am not into sending videos and pictures my son being a TV broadcast engineer will sort i out for me ,,,glad to oblige for a fellow body re finisher,,,, all the best Jerry,,,,, Ed
I was hoping you would get to a part 2, excellent work as always! No runs, no drips, no sags, no fish eyes and no orange peel!👍
Glad you enjoyed it my friend - I'll always finish the job for you to see the results :)
@@LakesideAutobody and great results will be had by all!👍
I'm glad to see such excellent work - not only for the expertise shown but for the fact that at least one shop in this country is still doing it. Every single shop in my area (believe me I've checked) now only does "insurance work" and if you need a spray job or something like this fender repair, you are out of luck.
Same story here in nh man i feel your pain
Wow.... My father was a "bodyman". I grew up in body shops. I had no idea body shops were turning down repair and restoration work nowadays. I've done more than my share of it so I won't be offering my services but it does seem like there should be some opportunities there for someone younger and ambitious.
It always amazes me the different paint motions each painter uses, only the finished product shows how good their techniques are. I always went verticle, horizontal and always did the edges first.
Every painter moves differently - fast, slow, wide pattern, small pattern, etc. Bottom line is the paint has to be put on evenly and wet without runs and it will look great. Thanks for the comment and insight Charles :)
I've actually used both the glue on and weld in methods and to be honest, I prefer the glue on method best. Modern adhesives are a miracle. I've never ( just jinxed myself) had one to come back. Like you, prep work is critical for a good job. Excellent videos!!!!!
Thanks for your input Dave :)
Have two panels waiting in my new garage just rebuilt after a fire.cant wait to get into repairing again.👍
Turned out great. I would love to try one of those 3m guns.
Looks like a brand new truck. Amazing.
I've got two panels to do on my truck - might try the glue stuff to see how it goes. Very interesting.
Nice work . Great videos. Wish you were on my street. Thanks for showing how to do body work with many tools
Thanks Jason - have a good weekend :)
Turned out beautiful
Great video...Thanks. I have been playing around with glue on panels. Just did cab corners on my 2000 Chev Rustorado. Still butt welded part of it but used adhesive all along the bottom. Worked great. A friend of mine does loads of it at his shop and loves it. Rust repairs last longer, less labour, etc., seems to work well in many areas. And it seems newer vehicles use a load of glue on panels and parts! Thanks again! Mike 🇨🇦🍁👍
Thanks for that comment Mike - good information - You're welcome :)
Who would carry that in Canada im in MB. Great videos 👍👍👍🇨🇦
@@luisbatista1103 Hi - I get the product from a company called Cross Canada Auto...they are a pretty good sized body shop supply company. I think they may have recently undergone a name change to LKQ but I am not sure about that. Any decent auto supply place that caters to body repair will have it. Probably Amazon too if you just want to shop from home. Look for autonomy panel adhesive. Good luck and have a good day! Mike 🇨🇦 🍁 👍
Amazing that gun is perfectly good
i appreciate the sequel videos repair from you.. thanks for sharing the information ..good idea for my next projects
You're welcome Fransisco :)
Another great video jery thank you for sharing have a nice weekend
Thank you - you too my friend :)
that turned out and looks great , good job
Thanks Hani 👍
I appreciate all your videos, thank you. I'd love to see a test run of eastwood roll on primer.
Good idea - I'll check it out - might make a good video - thanks Eric. You're welcome BTW.
Well done. The dude's an artist.
Thanks JP :)
That`s some very nice work for you own garage, I can tell this ain`t your first rodeo, well done.
Thanks Joe - glad you liked it :)
Beautiful 🤠👍
👍🏻Awesome job as always!!! Thanks again for the how to…
I appreciate that Michael - have a good weekend :)
@@LakesideAutobody will it actually hold up to driving conditions sir?
@@wildestcowboy2668 Absolutely - many panels are glued on at the factory. Aluminum trucks (Ford) are glued together in a lot of areas :)
Jerry, that turned out really nice, well done!
Thanks Michael - have a good weekend :)
Excellent job, looks great
Thanks Dane - enjoy the rest of the weekend :)
Great looking job .
Thanks 👍
I like that, I learned something .very good
Part 1 and part 2 were cool videos of this procedure. Great job.
Thanks Jeff - glad you enjoyed them. Have a good weekend :)
It is like a fiction movie, you are SO GOOD
Thanks Eugene - enjoy the weekend :)
Great video
Great job and clearly explain all steps one by one. I’d let us understood too thanks
You're welcome :)
doing the same truck right now never thought about gluing them on i normally weld them but hard to keep the arch panel from distorting and warping plus they always seam to Frankenstein down the road .I will give it a try !
Let me know how it goes and ask ?s if needed - you can rest assured your seam will be sealed from moisture that causes the Frankenstein effect. Jerry
More than one way to skin a cat. I think you did great already used this method and it worked. Only reason is I couldn’t find the the part that was rusted. So I made my patch panel. Thanks
You're welcome Shortarms - have a good weekend :)
Nice work young man. Very good video
Thanks Larry - have a good week :)
Amazing work 👏👏
Thanks a lot 😊
Thank's lot's to learn.
looks fantastic
I appreciate that Lar4305 - have a good week :)
Looking real good 👍
Thanks 👍
Looks great Jerry!
Thanks 👍
Top man great work 👍
Thanks Sheepman - do you shear sheep?
Excellent Job love it
Thank you very much :)
Excellent work as always!
I appreciate that - have a good weekend :)
I love it very beautiful 👍👨🎓
Thank you 😊
Looks like part 1 did quite well for you eh!! Good for you Bud!!☺
Thanks for watching RK - been real busy lately - got to get over to your channel :)
I love this Channel. Very Nice Bro.
I appreciate the support Andy - have a good weekend :)
Would love to see a glue on cab corner next. I need to do the drivers side rear on my 1996 GMC 1500 with extended cab.
kzhead.info/sun/qralYbWeoqR4mJE/bejne.html - this repair has held up very well (3 yrs) - you can also use the impact resistant panel adhesive - Jerry
Can I see the blending because I know where it's at , or am I seeing things. Great work Jerry. !
That's the shadow of the car lift. I have a light in the corner of the garage so I can see how the paint is laying down (reflection in the paint). That's a 4 post lift and the post's shadow is right on the blend - freaked me out when I was painting - at the end of the video I moved the light. Good eye Al - have a good weekend :)
Looks great I have to watch what time I spray clear because that sugar water draws every natt in the neighborhood to me
You'd think they would stay clear of the over paint and fumes but they love it :)
NICE job jerry
I'm sitting here in the AZ desert and the wind is blowing the sand and dust while I'm watching your video and I'm thinking "Oh hell, I'm getting dust all over your work!"
That's funny - what the heck are you doing in the dust and wind ?
In shock. This is fascinating. Can this work on a 2005 f150 Crew cab with rusted cab corners and rockers? Please show us a follow up of this out in sunlight! Videos are hard work and much appreciated!
I'll do a follow up video on this truck and many other repairs from the last 3 years very soon - I appreciate the comment Tech Items :)
The king of all rust buckets .. the Ford F150! I'm having the same rusty issues with the 01. It's almost as if Ford designed the rust right into the truck.
@@travisthechimp7857 ill never have a sunroof again! That is what caused mine
@@travisthechimp7857 Haha don't be too hard on Ford...my 2000 Chev Rustorado is no different...frame issues (have a new used frame that I am cleaning up to do a body swap in the spring with) rocker panels, cab corners. I seem to spend every couple years just chasing down and repairing rust! Have a great day! Mike 🇨🇦🍁👍
@@travisthechimp7857 Don't discount that rear cab mounted brake light. They leak taking out cab corners. A new oem seal will often leak. Used to be a guy on ebay who made seals thicker than factory that addressed the issue for Fords including Rangers. He might still be on there.
I like the Metal introductions. Nice videos. How do you fill the 36 grit swirl marks if filler is not applied over them?
If you are talking about the scratches in the metal - that's no issue for primer surfacer. You'll knock them down a bit with the DA sander when you feather edge your paint like this - kzhead.info/sun/e5quYZeKjHyBmK8/bejne.html
Thanks for the video it is great. Starting this project on my Truck. How much Adheisive do you need on a normal Wheel arch and can I use plain screws to hold position of arch or do I need the Clecos?
About 1/3 of the product. Yes you can use screws - no problem :)
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It looks great. I'm curious do you see the line after it sits in the heat? I have done it twice and both times I get a shrink outline?
No - I think because the seam is tapped down and the filler is the buffer. Here's the follow up on this and another truck 3 years ago - kzhead.info/sun/p5WQk9CMlnmDqaM/bejne.html & kzhead.info/sun/mq2MYbiarWmBqa8/bejne.html
Awesome videos on this repair. Man that looks great! I am getting ready to attempt to do both sides of my silverado, and I hope it looks just close to your quality. I'm curious though. Can I use a 50/50 mix of alcohol and distilled water as wax/degreaser? Or do would you recommend something else? Thanks for you videos!!!
Folks will probably throw some shade at me in the comments but I've used mineral spirits and have had very good luck with it. It's also called "Paint Thinner" (not lacquer thinner) at the hardware. I'm sure the alcohol would work too. You basically want to get the surface as clean as you can - even just washing with dish soap and water. If it hasn't been waxed recently, you'll be fine :)
@@LakesideAutobody ok thanks! I will be scuffing the whole bed panel. And I don't think its been waxed in years.
@@mikecochrane2074 you can purchase the rite wax and grease remover at orilleys auto parts a gallon for about 25 bucks cheapest price I’ve found locally if they don’t stock it they can get it quick . Don’t use mineral spirits and if your set on using alcohol use a 90 percent of higher however sprayway window cleaner is probably the best in that category of non traditional products to final wipe or clean before primer or paint . And for gods sakes dont use orange shop rags like the person in this video . clueless
@@JamesBrown-cx3xf thanks for the advice
I use the real stuff I get at the paint store.@@LakesideAutobody
Glue on panel, spray bomb primer and you're rocking the Accuspray...With that much experimentation going on you shoulda had on a lab coat 🤣
Good points David - have a good weekend - take a look and part 2
This guy is real world and good !
Awesome work 👍🤙💪
Thanks ✌
It came out looking great, Jerry. How long has that glue-on repair method been around? Does it have a good track record? Thanks for demonstrating this.👍
I guess it's been around since the 60's but every shop I ever worked at lap welded with a MIG - wasn't till the 2000s I started hearing more about it. I retired in 2016 and have asked around to see how other shops fix rust and quickly stumbled on 2 that use glue and others that still MIG
@@LakesideAutobody I had a 1970 Maverick , it got hit in the Right rear quarter panel In 1970. , and a Ford Experimental builder at the design tech center glued a 1/2 partial quarter panel on it , never had any problems with it when I sold it in the 1980s.
@@almierz4604 did my s 10 back in the late 90's rocker panels where I glued the panels to the truck they are as solid as the day I glued them way better than welding the glue has a built in rust inhibitor lol with this glue I forgot to weld
@@LakesideAutobody I am a mechanic at a truck and school bus shop and have seen that the school buses are completely glued together with that same adhesive. There are hundreds of phillips head screws that the factory installs until the adhesive cures. I have seen our body shop guys beating the crap out of these panels to get them apart, even with the screws removed and them using heat, air chisels and anything else they can think of. I would have no problem trusting that SEM adhesive, That stuff is really strong.
@@robbieraychannel Hey thanks Robbie - I appreciate your input. I'd hate to try to remove it for sure. Have a good week my friend :)
Excellent great job...like it never happened..👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks 👍
The blend looks great. Have u ever noticed a difference in color just from adding new clear to a panel?.
Thanks Darren - Yes I have noticed that especially when I wasn't patient and cleared to early w/ metallics
Clearcoat alone changes the tone of a color yep
red will always fade no matter what brand of vehicle.@@JO-rh7io
How have you been liking the 3m spray set up? Tried one once years ago. If I remember correctly it sprayed nice. Was really lite.
Like you said - really light and sprays nice. The best thing is that it takes seconds to clean.
Looks really good. Some one told me you have to take it down to bare metal before you paint, is that true?
No - 2 common reasons to take it down to bare metal - 1) The paint is flaking, checked, etc 2) Too many layers or too many paint jobs - like on a 57 Chevy - usually they have been painted tons of times and its goo to just strip it down.
@@LakesideAutobody thank you for that.
GREAT VIDEO. What's the average cost these days for doing the patch panels & painting for both sides?
I'd say 500 to 1000+ but shops vary greatly when it comes to pricing. Most won't even take on the rust any more.
Compressor sounds like it's going to throw a rod.
Sound like HF oil compressor!
Old Craftsman :)
I can't say no more.. I have one a 20gl one LOL!
@@LakesideAutobody if you had a small swager, you could lip the cut pnl..
@@harrywalker5836 It would be good to flange it if you could get a wide enough flange and be able to do corners, sharp curves, wheel well lips, rockers, edges, etc.
Looks great ! Is that victory red ? And how much paint did you use ? Reds are the most expensive. My 2007 needs work
Your right on - victory red. So far I did a fender and this quarter for this guy and used 2/3 of a quart. You're right reds are expensive - almost 5 hundred for a gallon of red + hardener. And that is middle of the road Nason brand.
@@LakesideAutobody not bad for paint used. Thanks! Back in my hey days , everyone wanted black camaros. Greatest because white n black is the cheapest paint
@@curtismuma1931 Black and White is still king when it comes to SUVs - silver too - no colors for some reason everyone wants black, white and silver.
@@LakesideAutobody we are on the same page ! I wish your library was closer to mine! . My wife is a realtor. Fremont mi
@@curtismuma1931 I believe we are Curtis - I'll have to check out Fremont one day :)
I AM NO CAR PAINTER AT ALL , THIS IS A QUESTION ONLY FOR INFORMATION SAKE , I THOUGHT, NOT SAYING ITS CORRECT JUST A THOUGHT, WHEN YOU BLEND SOMETHING ,YOU ONLY DOT THE AREA THAT U ACTUALLY WORKED ON OR PRIMERED ? OTHERWISE YOUR PAINTING MUCH MORE , AGAIN JUST A QUESTION, P.S. I AM NOT YELLING I HAVE BAD EYE'S, IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO SEE LARGE PRINT, SORRY FOR CAPPS, I THINK IT LOOKS AWESOME, I LOVED 1ST PART , ESPECIALLY YOU CUTTING THAT LINE WITH THE AIR METAL SHEERS , GOD BLESS STAY SAFE. THANK U FOR THE VIDEO
You would be able to do that (just the primer) if you were using a brush but with a spray gun you have to do 3 coats of color and each one has to melt the dry spray of the last so it gets bigger and bigger with each coat. Then you have dry spray with the last coat that has to be covered by clear coat. Basically the dry edges of spray is what causes you to have to get bigger and bigger. Not sure if that makes sense or not :)
@Lakeside Autobody YES IT DOES , THANK U
@@deanweber4370 Any time :)
great job!
Thank JB - enjoy the weekend :)
How long between paint coats and then to add the clear? Looks great to me.
10-15 minutes between color coats. I wait 1 hour before clearing because if you're spraying metallic paint you'll want to make sure the clear doesn't have an effect on the base. That's just me being safe though :)
What kinda glasses are you wearing and when spraying clear I noticed you were looking at it from side while spraying does that help to see better how clear is laying down than looking at it straight (90 degree) when spraying
They are safety readers - you can get them w/o magnification too - www.safetyglassesusa.com/pyramex-emerge-safety-glasses-translucent-gray-frame-clear-full-magnifying-lens/
Glued on
A quick question on the patch panel install. Did you spread adhesive on the fender lip to wheel tub seam?
Yes - I should have talked about that but the video did show the glue going on the lip.
@@LakesideAutobody Hmm. Maybe you did that when I hit pause to run to the fridge (brrppp, scuse me). Thanks for the video!
@@donhammer186 You're welcome Don - have a good week my friend :)
Great instruction! I have a chance to buy a one owner 1998 Ram 2500 Cummins club cab long bed with 98k on it. But, all the bottom door skins and above the rear fenders need to be replaced due to rot/rust. It's a similar red to what you are painting. Just don't know if I'm getting in over my head too much!
If you're decent with tools, give it a whirl. You'll be amazed at what you can do. That sounds like a tough truck. Let me know if you have ?s along the way :)
@@LakesideAutobody Thank you, I have all the tools and feel confident about it. I just need time lol. The truck has never had a plow on it or towed anything, which is uncommon for a Ram diesel truck.
@@alittlebitofeverything5090 Sounds like a truck you can have for a long time and be proud of once you get it done. Dodge trucks are tough as nails. I've had an 87 Ramcharger 4x4 (318), 96 Chevy Silverado 4x4 (350), 94 Ford F150 (302) 77 Chevy Scottsdale (350), and a Ford Ranger (2.3l) I liked them all - they all just kept going and going and never left me stranded.
@@LakesideAutobody Quite the variety! Nice to see the old trucks still out there. Have a good day and thank you for the conversation!
How do you like that gun by comparison to some of the others in that range of spray gun? Im lookin at maybe trying one out.
I really like it. It sprays great, cleans in seconds, light. It does use some air though. It's the only gun I have that the compressor has to catch up. My comp is 5.4 scfm @ 90 - 6.4 scfm @ 40 so it is a bit small for body work.
Just curious, why install the rivets after the adhesive dries instead of while its wet?
In part one screws were used while it was wet to pull the two pieces together nice an tight - the glue has micro balls in it to prevent you from squeezing it out fully so no worries there. After it dried I threw them in just for those who may comment on the small holes that were left from the screws. You don't really need them (your choice). It will never rust up there on the panel as it always dries out. It will only rust where salt water and debris can't drain and gathers.
You said you were spraying it in vertical pattern because of the blend ,Then you switched to horizontal and sprayed out to the end of the panel ?
Vertical just kept it contained so you could get the grey colored. Then go conventional and blend out to the ends to taper the new color into the old - hope that makes sense - Jerry
@@LakesideAutobody I understand what you're saying , I've never had to spray a vertical pattern for a blend. Buy for the DIY viewers I see the point you're trying to get across. I bet you're liking that new gun ? I remember when they 1'st came out year's ago ' I was kinda set in my ways until I tried one. Have a good weekend.
@@keithclark486 That's actually the first time I tried the tip vertical like that. Just wanted to see if it would make any difference or make the job easier - since the gun allows for quick change like that. Good talking to you Keith - You have a good weekend too my friend :)
Was it me or was the new paint more of an burnt orange and not red like the original? Was that intentional or did it get better after it was dry?
It's the camera - it's set on "auto" so the color can be off at times :)
Good jod looks good I can get rid of my welders lol
How do you do rust protection on the inner side of the panel?
kzhead.info/sun/a7yaiqaxbnl5ank/bejne.html
Where can I find glue on panels and materials? Great videos!!
All the materials and tools are listed under the description. The panels can be purchased through Millsupply or Raybucks - both online.
@@LakesideAutobody thanks for the help I appreciate it!
Excellent job well done
Thanks Richard - have a good weekend :)
@@LakesideAutobody Thank you so much and please have a good weekend likewise
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where do you buy the panels that you glued on and the glue ?
Raybuck or Millsupply both .com
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Can you flange the edges and glues the panels?
Yes - you can do that if it's possible around the whole patch :)
nice work help ///// i can find that a paint code do yea have one my truck is just like it some tuck the code out
9260 - Victory Red
This guy is good me I don't like body work I'd rather replace a trans and all brakes than do body work.
How did you bond the wheel flange to the edge of the panel?
Glue was used for every part of the job. If you are talking about the inner panel - that had a flange that matched up with the patch panel. It's hard to see but it's folded inwards. If that don't help ask again :)
Yah I am trying the magnet thing I saw in another video but that's not working so hot. I will have to use rivets or screws to hold panel in place.
I also using Sika Flex 252 to bond panel to truck.
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Screws are really the best. Use a larger hole on the outer panel. The SEM glue has micro pellets in it so you can't squeeze it all out - pretty good stuff actually :)@@michaelsarka2421
Where you located? Nice job
Michigan :)
What about flagging the parent panel? Verses having to knock down the glue or weld joint
You could do that. The only issue is that flange tools make like a 3/8 - 1/2 flange - plus it's impossible to flange the wheel wheel lip or opening. Let me know if you have ideas to flange the wheel well lip (the sharp bends) - I'm open to it :)
@@LakesideAutobody reason why I ask. I’m planning on doing wheel well openings on my 08 silverado. My thought was to have a large enough radius that I can flange and for the area closest to the inner wheel well I would butt weld that area
@@dennismindock6276 Sounds like it will work well. Let me know how it goes or if you have any other thoughts or questions my friend :)
@@LakesideAutobody thankyou
What is the brand of adhesive you used for the body panel?
SEM Impact Resistant Panel Adhesive
@@LakesideAutobody Thanks you...
I'm going to Lincoln Tech for collision repair, and the instructor plays your videos in class. You'd make a instructor.
I appreciate that Jester - tell him if he wants me to change anything or make a specific video that he wants to use in class, to comment or email me. Jerry - schoolvideolibrary at gmail dot com
What respirator are you wearing in this video?
3M 5201 Half Facepiece Organic Vapor Respirator
Where do you get patch panels?
Millsupply.com or Raybuck.com
I’m trying to do this repair but I have a two tone red and silver
👍 So you have to spray one color - let it dry for a day or two - then mask and spray the next :)
@@LakesideAutobody thanks, I have faded paint on the bottom red of the two tone. Do I just feather to the edge to where the two tones meet? I only want to paint the whole bottom of the truck. 88 obs!
what does something like this cost?
Prices for a repair like this vary greatly. A fair price would be right around $500-$1000.
hi sir pleas can you send tools you useds cut sheet of metal pleas need it am in lincoln teach aoto collision tx thanks
Yes - all the tools used are listed in the description. If you see any that aren't listed just ask - give me the time or point in the video and I'll check it out. Have a good week Arsalan :)
Yes pleas we try to make note book for auto section medal replacement accident or rusted pleas
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Any panels where glue on wouldn't be ideal? Like bottom of a rear 1/4 panel where it meets the pinch weld and transitions into the wheel arch.