Mu'tazili 1 - Qadariya Origins
2024 ж. 6 Сәу.
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Islamic political philosophy is absolutely fascinating. Here is the brief story of the rise and fall of the Qadariya doctrine that formed the basis of the Mu'tazili thought that developed in the period of Mamun ul Rashid.
Steven C. Judd, "Ghaylan al-Dimashqi: The Isolation of a Heretic in Islamic Historiography", International Journal of Middle East Studies , Vol. 31, No. 2 (May, 1999), pp. 161-184, Cambridge University Press. www.jstor.org/stable/176291
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ڈاکٹر صاحب۔ یقین کیجیے میں آپ کو کئی سالوں سے دیکھ رہا ہوں بلکہ بچپن سے ۔ آپ کے لال بینڈ کے دور سے ہی ۔ آپ جس اب روز بروز آپ کا ارتقاء مجھے بہت اچھا لگا ۔ جمود اور ڈھٹائی یقیناً اچھی چیز نہیں ۔ اور آپ اچھا کرتے ہیں جو ہمیشہ نئی راہیں۔ دریافت کرتے ہیں۔ تو ڈاکٹر صاحب آپ کی بھرپور حوصلہ افزائی۔ ہمیں سکھانے کا بہت شکریہ۔
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Doctor taimoor ❤faisal warraich ❤and doctor amaar ali jann are three intellectuals very highly informative persons❤❤❤❤
ڈاکٹر صاحب بہت شکریہ شکر ہے کسی نے تو اسلامی تاریخ پر حقائق پر مبنی گفتگو کا آغاز کیا، ورنہ تو اسلامی تاریخ کسی ایک فرقہ سے شروع ہو کر دوسرے فرقہ پر ختم ہو جاتی تھی، اور ہم جیسے تشنہ لب رہ جاتے تھے، بل کہ یہ کہنا بجا ہوگا کہ انگشت بدنداں رہ جاتے تھے اللہ پاک آپ کو سلامت رکھے آمین
ماشاءاللہ مارکسزم اور فلسفہ پڑھاتے پڑھاتے آپ اقبال، پرویز، غامدی صاحب جیسے متکلمین scholastics کی صف میں آ گئے۔ جن باتوں کی عربوں کو اپنی مادری زبان میں سمجھ نہیں آئ وہ آپ بیان فرمائیں گے۔ جزاک الللہ خیر الکم۔
I have been scrolling for an authentic Muslim philosophy v logs for years but could not find .You made my search finish .I finally got the good source for the Muslim philosophy.It is a request to you please cover all important Muslim philosopher's thoughts in your V Logs . Specially Ghazali, Rushd Khaldon Farabi Iqbal sir Sayed Mawardi Tamiya Shah Wali Ullah and ibne Sina.Describe the above mentioned in pure philosophical method as we take them in philosophy as a subject .
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Loved it!👍 I did my post grad.in Islamic theology from SOAS in 2019; my thesis was on free will and predestination:) While listening to your show I had reminisced about the good Ol’ days attending tutorials and lectures on jabarites, kadariyas and to top it all mutazilum. Honestly, no matter how much I like professor HB, I don’t agree with his argument about the intellectual declination of the Muslims and I have written numerous times on free thinkers posts; however, I look forward to your research on this and many thanks for your efforts ❤
can you please recommend any book which gives us short but precise introduction of all these.
Dr Frank Griffel , on KZhead disagreed that AlGhazali was against scientific thought
بہت خوبصورتی سے بیان کیاجبروقدر کے موضوع کو۔۔۔۔زبردست
آپکی انتھک محنت اور بہت گہری تحقیق کا بہت شکریہ۔ حقیقت تو یہی ہے کہ مسلمانوں کی اکثریت کو اپنی ہی تاریخ اور حقائق کا علم نہیں ہے یا ہے تو بہت کم یا اور غیر تحقیق شدہ ہے !
Isi ka fayda otha ket ye galat masses diya😢😢😢
Dear dr tamour rahman sahib you are highly educated and highly level intellectual of pak history
Bas kar namune😂
Sahil Adeem is Gem and this guy is just Game.
You don't look like a mullaji but talk wise things, kudos. I am a bearded guy convent educated but alhamdulillah Allah kept me guided.
For me, your old series on philosophy was impactful. Looking forward to this one
I can tell you that what you are doing is the need of today.There are many questions which our clerics are not capable of answering. I congratulate you on starting this series.
شکریہ ڈاکٹر صاحب، صرف ایک پروگرام ھی انسان کی زندگی تبدیل کرنے کی صلاحیت رکھتا ھے، خدا آباد رکھے۔
بے شک انسان اپنے فیصلوں میں آزاد ہے ،اللہ اسی آزادی کے بارے حساب کے گا ۔قرآن میں اسی کا ذکر ہے سورہ 18 میں
یہ آزادی محدود ہے، بلکہ ایک وسیع دائرے کے احاطہ میں مقید ہے، اس ارادے کی آذادی کا حقیقی مفہوم مطلق آذادی سے دور ہے
It's not absolute Freedom
مسلہء تقدیر تقوای اختیار کیئے بغیر سمجھ آنا مشکل ہے۔ تقوای کے لیئے اللّٰہ سبحانہُ وتعالیٰ کی ذات عالی کے یقین کی قوت درکار ہے لہٰذا عقلی فلسفیانہ ٹامک ٹوئیاں مارنے کے بجائے، ایمان و یقین کے بلند مدارج کے حصول کی محنت کو اختیار کرنا ضروری ہے۔ اس کامل یقین کے نور کی برکت سے اللّٰہ سبحانہُ وتعالیٰ قلب کی بند گرہیں کھول کر اپنے علم کے خزانوں سے علم عطا فرما دے گا۔
@@sohaibshah9236 بھائی صاحب۔ میں نے قرآنی کی آیت پیش کی ہے کوئی عقلی فلسفیانہ ٹامک ٹوئیاں نہیں ماریں ۔اب قرآن کے بعد کس علم کا آپ کو انتظار ہے ؟ جزاک اللہ خیر
@@shaha8783 جی درست فرمایا آپ نے، کہ قرآن پاک میں ایسا ہی لکھا ہے، لیکن البتہ بندہ کی رائے میں قرآن پاک کے مفہوم کے مطابق جس اختیار کا ذکر ہے، اس اختیار کی حقیقی نوعیت کو سمجھنا عمومی سرسری مفہوم کے بجائے زیادہ گہرے علم کا متقاضی ہے، جو اللّٰہ سبحانہُ وتعالیٰ ہی کی طرف سے اپنے خاص بندوں کو عطا فرمایا جاتا ہے۔ بہر صورت بندہ نے در اصل آپ کے کمنٹ کے جواب میں اپنا کمنٹ نہیں دیا تھا۔ اللّٰہ سبحانہُ وتعالیٰ آپ کو جزائے خیر عطا فرمائے آمین
rationality vs. orthodoxy in Islam is a very important topic we can dig out present irrational attitude of muslims ...
Buhat khoob! You have this knack for making complex things look easy for everyone to understand. We all owe you a lot. May Allah SWT bless you!
No words to express gratitude for this video full of wisdom and correct historical background. Your valour, in this suppressive environment, too is admirable.
Dr. Taimur may also comment on Ghamdi perspective that Ummad had the asabia of the people, as that is the norm for any system. Ghamdi is also of the view that khufaie راشدین was some thing ordained by divinity, as having such lije pious people as head of state, during that tribal milieu was not possible unless God willed it.
Excellent, Taiimur sb Every body must listen to your lectures
Dear Laal, you are doing a great job and keep educating the masses. May Allah help you in enlightneing the minds of youth.👍👍
when I was in 6th class i used to watch your show on PTV. Although i never completely understand your ideas but always enjoyed them.
I have at-least two common qualities with you. One is having played lead guitar for a rock band; and second is the love of history and evolution of human thought. Didn't know if guys like you still existed ... Bravo. God speed to you.
Thank you aware me in your comment.
Sir why not to start Islamic History from 632 AD to date. The Muslim Expansion to Fall of baghdad, Crusades, clash of civlizations and Islam in Subcontinent as well as revivalist movement. I want to listen this from one of the Greatest Historial and Political Scientist
Same here
Mutazilah encouraged the Islamic world to use logic and reasoning. All the great Islamic scientist, Ibn Sena, Ibn Kindi, Ibn Rushd were all following of this Islamic philosophy. Ibn Rushd wrote a book to counter the claim of Al Ghazali in his book "The incoherence of the incoherence" in which he answered and also challenged the philosophy of Al Ghazadi and his followeres. Ibn Rushd advocated rationality over blind belief. This is why European credits Ibn Rushd for Renaissance.
so what's your take? those weren't wrong. ? I slightly saw series of imam Ahmed bin humbal , they were protrayed very negative ... so I have very bad picture of them.
@@fahadjavaid7336 they were completely wrong about their belief regarding Quran being a creation and not the word of God
Apne keya incoherence of the incoherence para.tankid Karne se pehle Zara ppar toh le.
@@nabilmostofa2249 I guess you haven't read The incoherent of the incoherence by Ibn Rushd. In the book, Ibn Rushd answers the questions raised by Al Ghazali and emphasize logic and reasoning. Maybe you should read the book before googling and commenting.
@@batosato I said in favour of ibn rushd.you misunderstood my comment.
Absolutely beautiful and Informative Video as always ❤ Jeetay Rahen Dr. Sahab 💕
You are doing really an amazing job. Thank u sm for this.
Comrade thanks a lot for sharing knowledge with us who themselves couldn't read like you. Love from Peshawar
مسئلہ جبر و قدر یا تقدیر ازلی ایک معمہ ہے۔۔۔ کبھی انسان اس کو حل نہیں کرسکےگا
Musalman 1400 saal me aik bhe masala hal nahi kar pai to masala jabar o qadar ya taqdeer azli ko hal painge. Mulla mufti party ne jahalat pehlai huey hai musalmano ko ta qayamat jahil rakhnay ke liye abhi tak wo ye tay nahi kar pai ke agar pani na ho to gand kitnay dheelo se saaf karni hai.
سر میری بھی بالکل یہی سوچ ھے۔۔ اور ایک دلچسپ چیز جو مشاہدے میں آتی ہے کہ ہمارے علماء کرام؛ (دونوں قسم کے نقطۂ نظر سے تعلق رکھنے والے)- اس بات پہ کیوں لوگوں کو مختلف طریقوں یا مثالوں وغیرہ سے سمجھانے کی کوشش میں لگ جاتے ہیں جب بھی کوئی یہ سوال اٌن کے سامنے رکھتا ھے۔۔؟؟
Aap kitaabul taqdeer az g.a.parvez kaa mutaalaa krñ,hukuraanoñ ke talway chaatnay waaloñ ke eye bayaanaat hñ
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Laal Sb, frequency of rational unbiased critical appraisal is growing in Pakistan. You are one of the drivers. Congratulations
Sir you are a true intellectual. I passionately wait for your videos. Keep educating us. Thank you 😊
ماشاءاللہ بہت ہی عمدہ طریقے سے ایکسپلین کیا کاش کہ یہ ویڈیو 3 سال پہلے مل گئی ہوتی ۔۔۔ بہت ہی helpful
Beautiful. Just another great lecture; *Truthful and Rational* 👍👍👍
As always, simply brilliant and brilliantly simple!
Looking forward to the whole series 😊👍👍👍
Dr sahab apka kaam sadqa e jaria hy... Allah tala apko lambi zindgi aur sehat atta farmye ta keh ap esi trah ilm ki shama roshan krty rahen
‘Islamic philosophy is a political philosophy’ says it all. This really is the gist of Islam and all divine instructions, so to establish a fair, just and ‘egalitarian’ society. This message, has been complicated by the jurists. The simplicity of the message makes it effective and comprehensible for all.
Dr Israr Ahmed used to say the exact same that it is a political philosophy and that scholars corrupted this idea and turned it into a nonpolitical philosophy.
I always wished that we all could have such amazing teachers in our life. I’m so happy for you. Keep progressing.
Anxiously waiting for part 2
I hope you will continue doing this kind of work in future. Very informative and fascinating.
You are the number 1 reason i use youtube, to listen you
❤❤ wait anxiously for part 2 Sir
Looking into history I just came to know that the insecurities of the Umayyad Dynasty to cover up their mess in fitna 1&2 became the reason of Islamic Downfalls and the current situation in Pakistan totally refers to that.
it was brutal murder of Uthman r a brought in muslim split
I've asked this question myself many times and found no proper answer. Excellent info and presentation! Thanks for sharing.
Brilliant Lecture. Waiting for next parts Sir
Wow What Great Clarification Keep Up The Good Work Of Awareness We Need More literate Like To You & Constant Bombardment Of Ilm Thanks For Your Time & Efforts
This was very interesting. Thanks for bringing it to masses
Thumbs-up for your generous efforts honourable sir.
I can not wait for the next part
Dr. sahib, we need such efforts to dig in our history .People cut of from their history have no confidence in their present or future.
Doctor Sb. Words are not suffice to say thank you for informative and unique sharing. Method of teaching is outstanding. ❤
Professor Taimur, this was an absolutely brilliant presentation of the debate between Predestination and Free Will. The historical and political context provides the necessary references to understand the subject. I plan to watch all the parts in this series. Is is possible to request transcripts of these presentations? Kudos for this labor of love. I appreciate and understand the endless hours of research that have gone into the making of these videos. Thank you
Thank you. There is no transcript as such but my notes are visible on the screen.
Waiting impatiently for more videos❤
sir humein bohat khushi he ke ap is series ko shuroo kar rahe hein
Love you sir... Waiting for part 2
Thank you for this extremely informative series
What a great work Murshid !
❤ An excellent effort. Thanks
May you live long and keep educating us. This way, we will explore true Islam and set principles for the development of society.
Great effort. Waiting for next part.
آپ نے بہت عمدہ سیریز آغاز کی۔ اس کی تمام اقساط اہم ہونگی ❤
Thank you for sharing this.. Amazing info.
Loved it. Thank you Sir🙏
Dr. Sahib,a good initiative to educate people. I would like to add that apart from qaddria and jabbria schools, majority of the Muslim believed in Taqdeer e Mubram and Taqdeer e Muolaq and this view is persistent.
شکریہ ڈاکٹر صاحب۔
Thank you so much sir...
Learned great insights from your video sir. Your content is well researched and comrehensive and easy to digest 😄 as you simplyfy complex terms
Some of the "halaat" described look eerily similar whats going on in the country even today...LOL But the topic is very interesting and I'm looking forward to the rest of the series. Thank you for bringing this to us.
When we go through the 🎉Quran ,we find that both jabbaria and qadria are convincing in their arguments.To me, it seems Allah wills the whole system like the trillion trillion molecules of air in a room which behave independently but macroparameters of pressure, temperature etc are fixed.
Sir, its your historic and valiant contribution..
Appreciated Dr Sahab.
بہت ہی بہترین موضوع کا انتخاب کیا ہیں اپ نے سر۔ اس میں کوٸی دو راۓ نہیں کہ ازمنہ وسطی کا مسلمان فلاسفر نے بہت سارا کام کیا ہے جو نظرانداز کیا گیا ہے۔ امید ہیں اپ معتزلہ کے بعد غزالی ابن رشد الکندی الرازی کے فلاسفی پر بھی لیکچر کام کریں گے
i am so happy so see this amazing work you are doing taimur love you sir you are great man please keep uploading these type of content these are the real philosophy of islam it is the true islam you are showing
Please keep this series continue. Very enducational
Please do go through the literature and the research done by mr ghulam ahmad parwaiz published by an institution named as tullue islam.i am sure you will find it very fruitful and insightful. well I think mr g a parwaiz is mostly like the replica of the motazila in this 21st century.cheers and t.c.regards danish husain kalwar.
👏👏👏👏👏Excellent Discourse , I could not bring myself to skip before the end 👏
Good work sir.i will be waiting for the next part
Thank you sir for your efforts.
Dr Sb, really a great contribution towards creating true understanding Muslim History and inciting interest of new generation. No doubt it is very sensitive issue particularly the level of our nation but you did magically well. Sauté Comrade.
Super interesting Waiting for part 2
We thank you dr for this knowledge lecture.
Nicely explained, waiting For nxt episod... Keep it up Sir
Well done. Keep going.
Dear Prof. Rehman, Thank you for sharing your well-researched series of videos. I've watched the first six and found them quite enlightening. I appreciate the effort you've put into educating us. I wanted to share a thought about maintaining objectivity when discussing historical records. In the first video, there was a comparison made between communism and Islam while discussing equality. While I understand the intention, it might be beneficial to avoid such comparisons to ensure clarity and accuracy. It is akin to associating the concept of free-will in Islam with free market principles leading to capitalism-a comparison that is completely wrong as well. Overall, I find your series to be excellent, and I look forward to learning more from your insights.
Waiting for the next lecture Sir.
Sir I have already heard many of your lectures on the history of philosophy .
If we see the time of Mutizla and interpretation of quran given by Ghulam Ahmed Prviz , the claim of islam to be modern , rational pro science and progressive seem to be true and athentic
Sir no words to appreciate you
Thanks, very informative indeed
Historically our prophet directed us to pursue knowledge and in so doing directed us to go to distant China for acquiring knowledge. In pursuance the Abbasids (Baghdad) and Umayyad (Damascus) and Persians collected knowledge from India, Greece and China etc., compiled libraries all over the place, Andalusia, Timbuktu, Europe where 400,000 books were collected (mostly burned by the Turks/Mongols. This trend was fueled by M'utazilla (which probably meant 'question everything'), when the Hanbali school preached science is not needed, knowledge can be had from Quran ( stark violation of what the prophet taught), thus started the downfall of the Muslim 'golden age', never to recover and lead scientific investigation, which went to the Christians.
Will you please provide link for Steven C Jett's book/article about Mu'tazila. I could not find it
Really appreciate your efforts
Thanks for your good studies and prominence presentation ❤
ڈاکٹر صاحب اللہ پاک کع انسان کی عاجزی بہت پسند ہے۔ آپ کو اللہ قرآن و سنت سمجھنے اور اسلام اور دیگر دنیاوی معاشی نظام پہ ایک تحقیقی ریسرچ کرنے کی توفیق عطا کرے۔
Love and enjoy your informative videos
More power to Dr. Taimoor sahib
taimoor sir bohat shukriya is series kaaa
I am learning a lot from you sir.♥️
Thank you!!! Very much
Plz read ڈاکٹر صاحب ماشاء اللہ خوب احسن کام ہے آپکا یہ بہت ہی مشکل بحث ہے لیکن آپ نے اچھے سے بیان کردی لیکن اگر آپ اس سب بحث کا نتیجہ بھی نکال لیں تو زیادہ بہتر ہوگا 😅کیونکہ آخر میں چند باتیں آپ مکس کرگئے قدریہ اور جبریہ میں بنیادی فرق نہیں بتایا صرف لغوی اعتبار سے بتایا آپ نے ۔۔❤❤❤❤اللہ آپ کو جزائے خیر عطا فرمائے آمین یارب العالمین ❤
We need more people like you in muslim nation around the world . JazakAllah ❤
There are two very clear points from Islamic history, which answer your question. Harun ar-Rashid was neither Mu'tazili nor influenced by the Mu'tazila, in fact he was a staunch opponent of the Mu'tazila and huge fan of traditional scholarship. The judges he hired were Qadi Abu Yusuf and Muhammad Ibn al-Hasan, both direct students of Abu Hanifa. He cherished Muhammad bin Idrees ash-Shafi'i, a direct student of Malik. Abu Hanifa and his students were the flagbearers of orthodoxy in I'raq, whereas Malik and his students were the flagbearers of orthodoxy in Madinah and extending to other process. And scientific development was welcomed by Harun ar-Rashid. This shows that their is no direct correlation between religious orthodoxy/ideology and scientific development. The second point which quite clearly illustrates this as well, is that the pioneers in non-religious disciplines from the Muslims were al-Farabi, Ibn Sina, ar-Razi, Ibn Rushd and Ibn Khaldun. Not one of them was Mu'tazili. In fact ar-Razi and Ibn Khaldun were opponents of the Mu'tazila. So no, there is no link between Islamic orthodoxy and scientific development.
Well prepared and presented ❤
Thank you professor sahab for such a informative video, your way of presentation is next level. ❤ From India.