Long video for a long wait :)
Carl Jung Interview: • Face To Face | Carl ...
Inside the Score's video on the ninth: • Beethoven's Greatest W...
Reddit post on the High Ones and the Red Madness: / is_the_red_madness_a_m...
Chapters and Timestamps:
0:00 Into
5:58 World, Timeline and Races
15:26 Mod Start, The Story of Yero
36:55 Red Madness and the Butcher of Ark
42:52 Journey to Ark, The World of Enderal and the Cycle
50:17 Carl Jung influences and Archetypes
1:02:09 Aixon and the Dream
1:13:16 The Story of the Aged Man
1:22:49 The Beacon and Calia's Shadow
1:25:08 Side Content, The Rhalata and Our Mark on this World
2:06:21 Living Temple and the Nehrimese Invasion
2:13:35 The Search For the Black Stones
2:25:15 Seige of Ark and the Star City
2:33:26 Quests for the Dreamflower Elixir
2:36:28 Pyrean city, inside Mind of a High One and The Black Guardian
2:43:49 Endings
2:48:10 Outro
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I believe the sequence with the burned corpses in the dream flower ending is meant to convey that the Prophet failed in the long term. One of the corpses is in a crib which harkens back to the story that Daddy gave about "setting fire to your sisters crib". The line he says after that, "the dead don't forget", is also relevant. It's all about how the Prophet can only truly succeed by shedding his ego and sacrificing himself to set an example for the future. The corpse in the crib resurrecting is the Veiled Woman telling you that you messed up, and in trying to have your cake and eating it too, you've shown that you still see yourself as a messianic figure who can save humanity. It's the same in the New World ending with the difference being that humanity will have to start over. If that interpretation were the case then it would further lend credence to the idea that the dream flower ending is truly not a dream. It reminds me of the symbolism of the "hero" dying or disappearing after their purpose is fulfilled. Master Chief in Halo 3, Gordon Freeman in Half Life, Gandalf in Lord of the Rings, or even Jesus all disappeared when their work was done, although the latter two were because they actually recognized when to stop whilst the former two were kind of forced to disappear. It's better to let the Legend live on its own rather than milking the fanfare. Something which the modern entertainment industry could benefit from learning. But that's just a theory...
Your comment is so lit and based I am gonna pin this one and write what would have been the pinned comment as a response. There are a few things/patterns I didn't mention. 1. Every major character in this game has father issues. The player, Narathzul, Jespar, Calia, Ryneus, Yuslan (he is the father). Tharael and the FATHER. Even Tealor introduced his father's name right after telling the player his name. There are a few things that can be said about child-father relationships in this game and in real life, but I mentioned so many things in this video that I felt I didn't want to overwhelm people even more. 2. In reference to the pinned comment: In the interview of Carl Jung in the description, he kept mentioning the archetype of the "redeemer" and by the sound of what you are talking about, that seems to be what the purpose of the prophet was, according to your theory at least. The redeemer is different than a lot of other archetypes in the sense that we seek it out and copy it rather than observe it. For Christians that would be Christ, for Buddhist that would be the Buddha and as Jung puts it in the interview, for the Nazis that would be Hitler. The redeemer is someone who, through their own ideas and actions, are able to redeem themselves and through that also show the path for the rest of the world to redeem themselves by imitating them. Maybe after the prophet kills themselves after the "break the beacon" ending, they become that redeemer, which checks out with Jespar's monologue that through the prophet's death, humanity was given a moment of lucidity. Just something to add to your theory, I like it a lot. Thanks for the take!
Some people like being defeatist & dramatic. You will invent reasons to find more grim dark theories.
Crib is High One, Prophet stopped birth of High One, i.e. killing in the crib.
That's dumb as fuck.
People think I'm crazy when one of my top all-time RPGs is a Skyrim mod.
This isn't a mod it's a game and it's way better than Skyrim
@@cherifgrib Facts. I went to Enderal after Skyrim expecting dessert and instead, I got the main course. For anyone out there still considering whether to buy Skyrim, do it. It's worth it just for Enderal.
I should note that Jespar is the only character in the entire game who tells the Prophet, "I love you." Even Calia doesn't say that after you romance her, but Jespar does.
she does in the dreamflower ending, more specifically, she says "this is why I love you" but then, that ending is probably just a dream lmao
My favorite mod reviewer back at it again. Found you through your Vigilant review, keep it up man!
I consider the non-Dreamflower endings as different ways for your character to try to break the cycle, depending on what you believe is the correct course of action. Catharsis is sacrificing your life right now to give the rest of the world a chance. They might succeed and save themselves, or cause the actual Cleansing if the Beacon always does it regardless of how you activate it - but at least they have a chance. Brave New World is sacrificing the eternity of your life to preserve the knowledge you desperately lacked. The Aged Man lost hope and gave up a long time ago, the Black Guardian was a helpless observer and too prideful for his own good - and "Pride was my fall". Your purpose, on the other hand, is merely to spread the truth for the future cycles before it's too late. And maybe one of those mankinds will be successful. Dreamflower ending is either having a long happy dream at the end of the world, or achieving the Catharsis ending while giving the High Ones the middle finger, depending on how clever you are.
I think the fact the player thinks they can spread the truth in the next cycle is the Aged Man’s pride
@@JXEditor That's exactly why you should learn some humility, and avoid acting as a messiah or trying to become a new god and change the nature of humanity After all, I don't think the "library" in the Starling City was acting with any pride
@@rordagreen I think if the player character thinks they are capable of preventing the next cycle on their own then humility is already pretty much out the window
@@JXEditor Not much humility in thinking "I will save the world by dying heroically" either, it's a low hanging fruit. And *you* are indeed not capable of preventing it in any of the endings, the point is always to let the humanity know what just happened or what will happen.
@@JXEditor You are missing his point. And also he is missing things. In both endings, the difference is how the information is shared and not if you can save the world since that is always pointless. In the Catharsis ending, the one that delivers the information to others is your partner after the Prophet dies, in Brave New World, you do it yourself. And of course, neither will work for the same reason the Aged Man's didn't: accessing the information one way or the other is useless. A society without ego/individuality the High Ones can't attack, is a collective conscience. The solution to the problem is the problem itself.
What is worth to be mentioned: Za'Rah, the Mercenary who accompanies you in the Rhalata Questline and is killed by Tharael is probably Lysia, Jespars old flame who was (Spoiler) left behind with bandits by a frightened Jespar. For one Jespar says that he never saw Lysia die when he ran away. If you ask Lysia about her past she tells you about a traumatic incident in her past and that she traveled with someone else but something made them split up. Za'Rah talks about this other person dearly. Za'Rah is not her real name but a made up name from I think Qui'Rah, where if I remember correctly Lysia and Jespar met. We never get to know Za'Rah's real name because that son of a bitch Tharael kills her before the dialogue comes to it's conclusion. There are even more clues that prove this including the story writer kinda approve this (I have no source on this one I heard it somewhere) This is so bitter sweet. Jespar lives (or dies) with the guilt of leaving Lysia behind, his once true love. He forgave himself because of the player, but he will always remember the guilt. Lysia/Za'Rah was left behind by her true love and was "betrayed" only to meet the person who, without her knowledge, could let Jespar and her meet again and trusts this person with her tragic backstory only to from her perspective be "betrayed" again Only one example for how almost no lovestory in this game ends happy I apologize for my bad english I hope you could follow at least a bit xD Edit: I found the video that covers most of the information I used made by Paradigm of Low for people who are interested ^^
Every couple of months I look up this game on KZhead to hear people gush about its quality and this didn't disappoint. There was a lot of stuff you mentioned that I hadn't heard about before, way too much to mention but I'm happy to have listened in, solid video
I also want to mention how much this mod seems inspired by Mass Effect. I've seen people raise the point that cycles of life and extinction aren't a concept unique to Mass Effect, but let's see: a crisis that threatens the current cycle is set in motion by beings that first appear incomprehensible, and then are revealed to be the joined consciousnesses of the previously harvested cycle. Current iteration of sentient life is unaware of the cycle and for a long time believes there was only one great civilization before them. When the current cycle is getting desperate, they discover blueprints for a device that could potentially save them, which works by releasing massive amounts of energy. They need a mystery item that will direct the energy, but it eludes them, due to a traitor. There's also this faction that believes the powerful beings are actually the next step in evolution, and impedes the progress of our protagonists (Yuslan and Coarek are both found in the person of the Illusive Man). I could probably go on, but these details are really sounding less and less like a "common recurring trope".
The concept isn't unique to mass effect, but i say the way they frame it is very simillar to how ME frames it.
Sorry for my English, is not my first language. So you are saying that Nehrim was made in just three years (ME1 2007, Nehrim 2010) and that Enderal the direct continuation (ME3 2012, Enderal 2016) was written, voice acted, and all that jazz by a small studio, in just four years. Ok. Shortly after releasing Arktwend for Morrowind, they announced the development for Nehrim for Oblivion in March 2006 (one year before ME1) and announced the development of Enderal in 2012, less than one year after the release of Skyrim. Sure, they announced it 3 months after ME3 I give you that... but I can imagine a very basic idea of what the plot was going to be in Enderal was there with Nehrim, or even since the start of the saga with Myar Aranath in 2005, and they were just waiting for the new engine for Enderal having the script and world design already done, just like they did with Nehrim. Edit: If anything both games where inspired by Alastair Reynold's Revelation Space series, with the words Cycle and Beacon specifically used a lot. The fact that ME and Enderal released closed to each other was a coincidence, they just had the same reference xD
@@Ilwenray85 I don't think they were saying that at all. I think they were pointing out the obvious, that some plot beats were borrowed. They also borrowed from American psycho, so it isn't a stretch to suggest the creators wear their influences on their sleeves. Fortunately they didn't ruin it, like ME3 did. Nehrim's existence doesn't do much to suggest that they had Enderal's plot completely figured out by then. It's possible, but I sincerely have my doubts about that.
Absolutely did it justice. Your best work so far. Loved the philosophical and gnostic dives. U r criminally underrated.
I've played through Enderal a couple times and watched a couple longform videos on it, but this video really helped me finally actually understand the game and its themes. Thanks for the video, gamer.
Intro so relatable literally me frfr
Dope. The musings on Jungian psychoanalysis caught my ear. Your understanding of how this theory applies to both Endreal and our lives as existential subjects was fascinating. This mod is a work of art and you've done justice to it.
Enderal one of my top 5 games and universes of all time. 2 games in the series so far man And an offical book which is great
4 games, Myar Aranth and Arktwend for Morrowind, Nehrim for Oblivion, and Enderal of course.
@@Gryphydisnt myar aranth a dlc?
Well only 2 involving Nicolas
Bro this video is insane, such an excellent deep dive into the themes of this mod. So interesting how they put the answers in your face from the beginning but we choose to ignore it. Great mod, was definitely super depressed during and after it.
Your reviews are always amazing and I always look forward to when you upload a new one.
YAS MOAR ENDERAL CONTEMT NOM NOM NOM Also Sseth called, he wants his intro back.
You're always releasing fire videos. Good work bro
Nicolas confirmed the gnostic references in a question about the isle of Kor - I was writing theory a few years ago and found that thread somewhere odd on page 2 google
Great review. Great mod. Thank you Cotho!
My advice is to read Butcher of Ark as an pdf format. Reading them ingame is such a pain that it burns me from inside.
I just beat Enderal a week ago or so and this popped up randomly in the recommendations after I listened to some of the bard songs from the mod. Great video! Funny intro and good coverage of this great game. I count it now among my favorite RPGs/games of all time and I bought the writer's book about Jespar, Dreams of the Dying, I'll be starting it soon. Subscribed, excited to see what you cover in the future and also excited to doubleback and see other things you've covered!
Very good video! Thanks a lot, to you and Paradigm of Low, to help us understand Enderal better (my favorite game
I played the Silvergrove quest right after my first kid was born. It absolutely destroyed me. This is one of the best game stories of all time.
I was not expecting the guy who voiced Bishop to be in this mod but it’s great to see he’s not just stuck as depressed wolf boy.
Hey Cotho. Love all your mod reviews, especially Enderal. The game is awesome. I reccommend the Rigmor mods, Falskaar and Mjdwood Isle. Keep up the great work :)
Gg on hitting the algorithm bro
Oh boy 2 3/4 hours of mod review goodness. Strap in, its gonna be a long one
I'm convinced that every ending is a good outcome. First, I'm 100% sure the Dreamflower ending is real. If Yuslan is to be believed (which is doubtful considering his role), then drinking the potion should put us in a perfect dream. Why then does the Cleansing still happen? If we're in a perfect dream, we should've gotten the Numinos, lit the Beacon, ended the Cycle, and sent Coarek running back to Nehrim with his tail between his legs because we're the god damn Prophet. We saved the day with our epic powers and big dick energy. The game should've ended like Skyrim, quite frankly. None of that happened, so I don't think we can call the Dreamflower ending a perfect dream. But what's more important is the role the Veiled Woman played in this iteration of the Cycle. She created the Cycle as a twisted act of kindness toward humanity -- happiness is only valuable when rare. With that in mind, the Cycle is a test. A test to see if humanity can earn the utopia that her Golden City was granted. But after countless Cycles across billions of worlds, humanity still hasn't gotten it and the Veiled Woman is getting tired of watching nothing change. So she throws us a bone. She revives the Prophet after he's supposed to die. Like the Black Guardian says, the Prophet dies after the Emperor abandons him. The Veiled Woman went off script. If the Prophet choses to flee, he might make the same mistakes the Aged Man did and might fail to stop the Cleansing the first few times. But he'll also learn. Learn to spot the kind of people that will become Emissaries, learn the right way to intervene, and most importantly, learn to pick people to rescue from the Cleansing. The Aged Man tried to do it alone. He was too prideful and that's why he fails to stop the Cleansing every time. The Prophet can figure out how to make stopping the Cycle a team effort. Hell, maybe he'll even start collecting other Prophets from other Cycles. After a few tries, the Prophets can appear alongside the Red Madness and act as supernatural guardian angels that somehow have all the answers humanity is searching for about the Cycle. It's not just one Prophet who knows as much as everyone else, it's dozens of Prophets who've seen things play out before snd know how to stop it. If the Prophet destroys the Beacon, the story plays out the way your partner describes. Enderal is destroyed, but humanity survives, now equipped with the knowledge of what the Cycle and the cleansing actually entails. Now humanity knows the Beacon without the Numinos is what causes the Cleansing. The only difference between Catharsis and Dreamflower is whether or not the Prophet survives. Point is, the Prophet isn't the hero. Ironically, the Veiled Woman is the one who helps humanity break the Cycle she created. She's the professor deciding to give her students a study guide with problems exactly like the ones that will be on the exam.
I've been playing through Neverwinter Night's Prophet mod series, which came out a few years before Enderal and definitely inspired it. I highly recommend y'all give it a shot, its an amazing experience.
01:12:20 Aixon's name is backwards for the Latin word "noxia," which means "hurt, harm, damage, injury."
Not only a mod. One of the best game I ever played!
I have played this at least 40 time’s - I haven’t played many games, but this is easily my favourite
HYPE
enderal is one of the best games i have ever played yall need to try some
Lol i recognize that American Psyco bit. Also the SsethTzeentach inspiration. Good video though. Been watching your atuff since vigilant
What a kino video, not gonna lie I don't have input to give to this yet since I first tried Enderal when I was quite younger and when my pc was much shittier. However, given your stellar work, I think another attempt is in order so I will evetually have to come back to this. Still though, amazing work yet again my man. Oh and traps are not gay.
Simple logic: This video is about Enderal, so I like this video.
Awesome review. Now we need a vid on nehrim or arktwend or myar aranath because there isn't a single vid on those mods.
Concerning the aged man's letter. It might be that he keeps correspondence with other fleshless who chose the same "save yourself" ending. Hence why he says that "timelessness isn't that much of a feat", and that "you will find that out yourself soon enough too". Implying that we will choose the same thing as them perhaps. Also we didn't send him any letters. So that's why the theory about the letter being addressed to us personally won't work in my opinion.
I Never was quite fully convinced that the dreamflower ending to be real. But i have to say the way you put it did tip the scales in it being true. Main problem that I had with it was always that scene that plays before with the burning corpse. it felt to ominious and violent to be something that heralds a good ending. Initialy when I first finished it I considered this to be last parts of you lashing out against being suppressed and overtaken but I've wondered lately. The dreams is something that I considered as being part of the high ones. Their manipulation of you. My idea was that this was either always there (every cycle) or since the loss of predestination the high ones devised these dreams as a way to nudge the prophet into the direction they wanted. With that said currently I would interpret it this way. Daddy, Mom and sister are all chared corpses now, cannot interact with you or influence you and by burning the cropse within the crib you sever your connection to them completely as now that you control the sea of eventuality you always end up in a reality where they cannot force you. The cropse getting up and screaming then is something I would say like the high ones trying one last time to do something to you and lashing out in anger but unable to harm you as you are metaphorically and physically in this case out of their reach. Also since you burn the corpse it feels like there is something in there hinding about the fleshlessnes that I just dont see yet. So the achivement What is reality anyway... doesnt seem to me to be like it is said earlier in the game as a hopeless sigh of helplessnes. It feels instead like a satisfied realization (a moment of lucidity if you will :-) that the high ones cannot win or loose as their reality of despair and destruction cannot come about anymore as causality and reality has no meaning for you since you are its master. That's my two cents on the matter anyways. Im really glad the game is getting antention for it's lore since at realease I just dismissed it as a copy pasted Mass effect story but latern on I started seeing its uniquenes. Did you look up Paradigm of the Low during making of this video by the way, he has great videos on the subjects of Enderal lore. Great video and i hope that when fully realesed you will do the Glemoril video. :-) Also traps are gay
great bideo
id like to see a video on the earlier games in this series especially the one from morrowind there are videos for nehrim but none from the one from morrowind whos name escapes me
i think sure ai should go full in on horror aspects in there next project because those were some of the best parts of enderal in my opinion
Enderal was an amazing ride! So much so that it made me REALLY wish that the modders had made it their own game, instead of using Skyrim's engine. As much as I love Skyrim, we all know that the engine is extremely outdated, and I truly believe that if Enderal was its own thing separated from Skyrim, the game would have been WAY more popular. It seriously deserved more attention. I feel like it could have even won some awards for its excellent writing. And the devs could have made some profit for their effort as well. Anyway, thanks for the video. You explain stuff really well, and made me realize that I missed a lot by not doing some of the sidequests, now I feel like I need to reinstall and go check them out. Though right now I am currently preparing a new modded Skyrim playthrough so I can try all the quest mods I havent touched yet. Will definitely be checking the mods you made videos about, since you seem to have good taste in them. If you dont mind me asking, which quest mods would you recomend me to try first? Other than Unslaad and Glemoril that I still have to play after Vigilant. I thirst for more well written mods like Enderal and Vigilant.
I just finished Maids 2 and I gotta tell ya it's up there with Vigilant. Maybe a bit less focused on elder scrolls lore, and the "suggestive" part of it may throw some people off, but if you disable those options, it has an amazing story, especially episode 5.
@@cotho. Wow, Maids?! I saw that mod before, if I remember right it started way back in Oblivion. Would never imagine it was that good. Definitely giving it a try then, thanks!
Based
Based Diogenes, putting the others in their place as usual.
I want someone at Bethesda to contact them and see if they would be willing to work on Hammerfell with them this already looks amazing.
Damn even the sacrifice, dream and good ending 😢 just made me sad trying to sleep at night. 1:09:32 So wait his our Shadow that means we should accept it as Carl says to understand our self?
While I won’t be watching this video. I should say I loved enderal but unfortunately for god knows what reason a weird amount of lag suddenly appeared and on all my saves including new ones and won’t go away regardless of it being a new pc it seems. Though I hold out hope that it will be patched and I can run the game from start to finish without spoilers. Either way I am sure it’s another great video
Reminder that this only took 5 years to make in comparison to cetain other mods that still arnt finished for some reason,
Why do you take Zinc? Are you Zn deficient?
42:00 ooh. My theory was that they were led by the child. Considering her dreams of the future is assumed she would be something similar to the player or the aged man, likely from a previous cycle. Then again, i am not good a theorizing. Either way the moment i realized the contents of the book were canon i felt very elated at my own genius. Also how do you think aging works here in vyn? Like when i played nehrim i got the impression from books and stuff that old arantheal spent like a 1000 years in captivity before the player (freed/slaid him? I have no idea what happened, but it was clearly tealor who i encountered)
I know the scene you are referring to with Tealor. Some characters like Narathzul and Arkt have bigger lifespans even if they are not the lightborn or fleshless. Other like Tealor have the same lifespan as normal humans. Aeterna are made after the image of Asatoron so they are basically elves, even in lifespan. Hope this was the answer to your question.
hey cotho, i'm pretty sure unslaad HAS been fully released since v3.0.0, with the last journey update, you keep saying you're excited for it to come out in your videos so maybe you haven't realized, or maybe you're just waiting for glenmoril to be done to get the full picture, either way love your videos ♥
I am gonna wait until all 3 mods are done and voice acted, since I have to talk about Glenmoril before Unslaad. Also we skipped a bunch of owl references we will have to talk about in Coldharbour.
@@cotho. voicing them will probably take a while, we might see Apotheosis and Odyssey of the Dragonborn out by then. Think you could accept AI voicing?
@@jonaszpawlacz756 We shall see, for now there are plenty of other mods I want to take a look at. Also, I am brewing a few idea for other ways to do content on this mods without forcing a 3 hour video of lesser quality. No big promises yet though.
@@cotho.Feel free to cut the videos up if you want, I don't mind. You can have my hours regardless. No other analysis KZheadr ties in philosophical backstory and ancient ideologies the way you do. These are incredibly top notch, nuanced insights that shit all over most within the industry who simply offer basic retrospectives with lots of junk text. 10/10, would call philosophers kinda gay again. Thanks for covering one of my favourite RPGs of all time and for making me cry a second time at that poor boy's dream. That part lives rent free in my brain and you did it justice.
why did u copy the beginning of sseths bloons td5 review almost word for word? lmao
We both copied American Psycho :). I thought it would be kinda fun to do.
so basically Mass Effect but Jungian Medieval Fantasy
I am always taken aback by how philosophical a Skyrim mod can be. Are there any fallout mods of this caliber?
2:30:38 just in case congrats u got that name right👍
What exactly do you dislike about the Scene with Calia where she goes and kills the mercenaries in Castle Dal‘Galar where you search for the Blackstone?
the implication... you find her naked...
@@cotho. Huh? And? The Blackstone thing seems to be a from like the Werewolf where her normal clothing doesn‘t fit. thats why she has no Armor, or at least that is what I thought was the reason for that.
@@amazinghorizon8270 The mercenaries say "Hold still honey, don't make it worse" and she says "No get off me". We might be looking at it from a different angle.... but I just didn't like the way this section played out.
@@cotho. I know they clearly say they want to do something like that, but to me, it seems Calia turns into the Dark thing way before they get to do anything.
1:59:27 So basically the Veiled Woman just got tired for her creations or the people she helped? "And by her mistake" was it the Mortality of men and their generation? And killed them with Acid Rain 🌧 clouds after finding they were not happy, filled with hollowness, even though they had everything going for them right....
It's been out for 19 hours? Fucking youtube, never properly delivering the notifications
are you going to play nehrim?
At some point within the coming months
@@cotho. can't wait for the video, this one was wonderful. I adore both games so thank you for giving them so much thought.
1:59:56 So she created those cycles, 2:09:18.....ok 2:45:31(Got It) And the New order must be the High Ones born from those Fear, Hatred, Pride of all those people?
How the fuck KZhead did not reccomended me this before.
I should watch American Psycho already.
My issue aith Taranor Coarek has always been the 180 he made since Nehrim. I'm not sure why they did this? Maybe like Jaspar says that people with a "god given role" are dangerous and easily manipulated, but still. It just sucked to see him be the complete opposite of how he was in Nehrim.
2:05:47 So she's a false God, she's immortal rt? But why dies she need essence 😕 of these people
29:00 💀💀
30 HOURS of main quest? Dude, Skyrim have just 8 hours with main quest content....
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huh... the people who are polyamorous and bisexual are called "Qyr" hmmmmmmm HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
2:27:23 😅 ahhhhhh is it cringe...... *cough* (romancing) your own player chatacter, cuz i sometimes play as female for obvious reasons *cough* mind you.
Crazy part about all this is that you make some profound posts but you also make profound youtube poops
Comment number 2 I know but since this has nothing to do with the argument of my previous comment I thought it best to separate them. While I enjoyed the video I just wanted to note that I resent the term Reddit atheist or some variation of such being used to describe Coarek or anyone else. It is a term that has historically been used to mock and belittle those who would dare to criticise religion and their arguments without actually addressing their points.
Isnt the first skit literally just a Sseth ripoff
Great video, although I have to admit I don't really get the Jordan Peterson joke at the start. "trap" is a slur and a transphobic idea, which works with the parody aspect of it as your taking tons of supplements, but I don't know it felt kinda strange and unclear in focus. The raw meat weirdos I get the connection on, but everything else I don't really get.
Yet more Nihilistic/Gnostic propaganda wrapped up in an interactive bow, and placed in a sweet tasting pill. Every single hugely popular mod/game is the same.
I was deeply disappointed with the story. You haven't managed to change my mind; it's still asinine and idiotic. The final reveals torpedo every set of facts established prior, destroying all credibility of basically everyone except your love interests. Everyone is just lying. The Aged Man, Veiled Lady, Black Guardian, High Ones, Yuslan, all just lie and if you bother to verify any actually verifiable facts it's obvious, so it's impossible to get a coherent story out of the whole thing. I would say that the Dreamflower ending redeems the shitpile by virtue of ignoring it entirely, except it requires you to go through the Rhalata quest, which is equally asinine and idiotic. Buuuut, seeing "daddy" so furious with our choice to _not_ blithely commit suicide is sweet enough to cover the worst of it. The fact that the Sacrifice ending tries to paint the four graves as a good thing is baffling to me. "You should kill yourself because the voices in your dreams told you to!" Uh _huh_ . Great game and world brought so low by the story that I never want to even think about the game because of how exasperated it makes me. The only positive memory I have of the story is telling Calia to get over herself... and she actually did! Amazing writing; a woman that listens, 10/10 story for about half an hour. But you did manage to put a name on the flavor of retardation I can't stomach; gnosticism. I wasn't aware of it when I played Enderal and I'm not merely referring to the Christian heretical sects but the whole mystical tradition. Suddenly all the pretentious idiocy clicks into place. No wonder no one talks sense, no wonder everyone is trying to lie to you, no wonder it's all bullshit: It's _all_ gnostic mystification. It _can't_ make sense unless you're indoctrinated into the cult. So thanks for that, it explains a lot. ALSO you missed the obvious Eternal Recurrence-thing; endlessly repeating the same circumstance without change. Also also lol "the cycle is a test for humanity" when Emissaries hijack all positions of influence and railroad it. Also also also lolololol "Humanity is too selfish but if we wipe the slate clean and humanity evolves again maybe it'll work this time? Let's just ignore that we know what evolution is and how all those traits we criticize are 100% the products of evolution". Literally a "real communism hasn't been tried" cope, because it, too, is a gnostic cult.
Real.
2:26:17 I always thought that teddy was a little easter egg as the thing the young prophet was looking for. Its clear that what we are looking for is freedom, the desperation to be free is what was used by the high ones and made us a candidate for being the prophet. When our fsther asks if we have 'found what we are looking for' Hes talking about purpose, about the freedom thst has always eluded us. I just figured that the teddy was nod to that, we are a child in the dreams, and as such the prophets compulsion to be free, is presented as a kid searching for their lost toy. I dont think the developers put much into this, more like they just thought 'oh hes a child looking for something lets hide a toy on the map as an easter egg'
Played this mod. Liked the gameplay(dungeon exploring and cleaning specifically) but was pretty dissapointed that there isn't much to do besides combat, plus as interesting story was - i found actual writing to be anachronistic and at times pretentious. Medieval themed characters talking like reddit's atheists just didn't sit right with me lol. Still mod was pretty fun to go through dungeons. I must admit i didn't finish it but i didn't get all the hype around the story. Its better than skyrim, but Skyrim isn't exactly a high bar. Plus i found it weird that characters quoted Mass Effect at some points, and made the same allusions to reapers as Mass Effect did. It just seemed so out of place.
„i didn't get all the hype around the story. Its better than skyrim, but Skyrim isn't exactly a high bar.“ Yeah. Agreed. But I think the tory is one of the best ever, certainly the best video game story. And even in all the books I have read I can only think of one series with a better storyline. (Stormlight Archive) This is why there was all the hype around the story. „weird that characters quoted Mass Effect at some points, and made the same allusions to reapers as Mass Effect did. It just seemed so out of place.“ How so? They just both explored the same story concept at a similar time. And the Cycle concept and ascension to a higher state is nothing new it is literally the core of the third biggest religion in the world. (Hinduism) „Medieval themed characters talking like reddit's atheists“ As far as I know only one character talked liked that and he had good reason to do so. All the others had pretty reasonable takes on religion and were often even in favor of it. So I don‘t understand your problem here.