In this video I analyzed the Minecraft second place speedrun in 1.16 RSG, a potential sub-11 by Piper J3 Cub. Huge props to him for this run, be sure to sub to his channel: / @pipermcsr
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This video is a Minecraft speedrun analysis of the new minecraft 2nd place run. It isn't the new Minecraft world record or the new Minecraft speedrun world record, but we do talk about the Minecraft world record and why this run was almost the new Minecraft world record. This is like other The Weekly Thing videos because it's about Minecraft speedruns and Minecraft speedrunning, but it's not about the speedrun world record from Minecraft.
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The fact he got a looting 3 sword with a dream skin, is actually really ironic.
lol
How is that “ironic”
True omg
@@annimus_ Dream got a looting sword on his 1.15 World Record
@@goldeer7129 I’m aware, but the word “ironic” doesn’t really make sense in this context
The time counted as a time loss to pearl to the middle cannot be treated as room for improvement in terms of the time because there is a certain minimum amount of time the dragon takes to perch. The dragon perched ns so anyway no time was lost to not pearling to the middle.
Good point, I missed that
agreed
I like how he kept the iron nuggets in his hotbar the whole run
Yea
@@User_-dp6mb Yea yea
@@lucashimself_ yea yea yea
@@funkyfinn1 yea yea yea yea
@@ev0308 yea yea yea yea yea
using a dream skin actually increases the effectiveness of the bastion manhunt route
Lol
idk I think it's bad luck. dream runs around like a headless chicken when he's in a bastion
@@exnerhimself Every time Dream goes into a bastion during a manhunt I start yelling at my screen. He's friends with Illumina, he really just needs to call him up to learn bastion routing 💀
@@Skye3979_ me too lmao but i think since his issue started he never played 1.16 speedrun except for manhunts so that he never knew the meta strats such as ocean ravine strat, monument strat, etc.
@@shh2277 Yeah ever since he stopped speedrunning competitively he hasn't kept up with the meta. I understand why (the bad blood between him and the moderators isn't going away any time soon even though both sides really want to just move on) but I also think if he took the time to learn some of the strats it could make manhunts a lot more interesting. He could really surprise the hunters with some of the new tactics.
They couldn't put a dream skin in the thumbnail so they had to use a Steve skin
What I find crazy is that most of the top times have ~8 minute blinds with insane endgames. If someone hits an endgame like this on a sub 7 blind its actually world record by a LOT
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True, true
And that is why so many beleive fe666 is going to get wr…
Exactly. That's why I think the world record is actually a lot easier to beat than most people think.
the fastest blind with this endgame would be a sub 10, but not quite wr
I think the whole pausing situation is stupid. Brentilda wouldn't have gotten the time that he did, without pause abusing. In other words, pause abusing helped him. But now, pause abusing hurts you. Which means that no one is going to be able to pause abuse anymore (which I think is good) but it means that the wr is harder to break. I think you have to either allow pause abusing or you have to retime wr (which isn't fair.) It's just harder to get wr without pause abusing especially when wr has so much of it.
True
Actually tought that its timed on rta not on in game time
Honestly they should just retime world record to how all other current times get retimed so its fair and much more possible to get world record. Like right now the world record does something that NO FUTURE RUN CAN DO BECAUSE ITS BANNED and yet the run hasn't been retimed or ANYTHING.
@@jordanramcharan3813 yeah
@@jordanramcharan3813 its not fair back in the days rules were different.
What i've learnt: having Dream skin will increase luck, by 80%
But will decrease the efficiency of manhunt housing route
Ye
y e s
This is insane, sub 9 is real and coming soon.
This is the end of the joke ok
Hmmmm
Very possible which is crazy
There already has been a sub 9
@@ruzed2419 not rsg??
At times I was slightly confused about whether the shown footage is what happens right now in the run, previews or reviews parts of the run or is from a different runner altogether. Maybe highlighting these parts with some kind of filter would make it easier to understand if this happens right now in the run or if it is just b-roll.
Crazy, insane and out of the box idea here, the parts that have "footage from nEmerald" and the runs with completely different skins on are not from Piper -_-
@@hajoyeve6186 What do you mean? I thought he just changed his skin and name during the run.
12:55 lets be real here, thats perfect stronghold nav and what any good runner should have done
Speedrun moderators are not in a position to diagnose mental illness from a muted video of someone playing a video game. I feel like the only option is to not time those pauses, and I hope this leads to a clarification in timing rules. There's no fancy math he could be doing to gain an advantage (it's just 1000/10=100) so the only thing he's doing is calming down, which is very reasonable.
"just calming down" is not reasonable.
@@ningkaiyang Why introduce another layer of ambiguity. Also, pausing to calm down is absolutely pause abuse. In any other game, speedrunners would laugh at you for suggesting that pausing to calm down is reasonable. There's a reason Super Mario 64, Celeste, Portal, etc. have their speedrunning rules set up the way they do, and the only reason this conversation is on the table in the first place is because pausing is allowed in order to deal with lag. Thus, it really should only be allowed to deal with lag. It's the same in other games, and the minecraft mods came to this conclusion because it makes sense.
1000/10=100
@@procheese-tw6813 thank you i was confused
nO fAncY mATH Messes it up while writting a comment.
i just want to say, according an analysis by thecamo6 (who is pretty prevalent in the community), piper isn't pausing to calm himself, but instead to tell everyone on javacord about how he get a sub 8 blind, and then how he hit the blind. pretty funny, but its a completely different situation when he pauses to calm himself than this.
At 9:32 and 10:00 he is also pausing to type in discord, you can look at his javacord messages to see that.
rip
How can u see that?
Wait lmao i got a notification for that
Harsh as it seems, I believe no pausing should be allowed. There is simply no way to fairly regulate fair vs unfair pauses. And being able to push through panic is a vital part of what it means to be a good speedrunner (isn't this what is called "clutch"?). Allowing pausing in any way is open to abuse and/or the subjective decisions of judges, both of which will be bad for the quality of runs in general.
The thing is, minecraft isn't any of game, it's one of its own. Just because other games do that doesn't mean minecraft has to. Mcsr always tries to make this accessible for everyone to make it less competitively and more co-operative.
I’d rather see future runs only allow loading pauses, being able to deal with the stresses of speedrunning is part of it. Old pause using runs should be put into a legacy category of their own
I agree, that could work…
Having better pc is also a part of it, you know. Real time takes into account all of that and it's not like real time is some hidden stat of the run, it's always was shown alongside with an in-game time. If you want so, you can judge by a real time.
Hey TWT. You linked the Background music but all of those artists have really large libraries. Do you mind saying which specific songs you utilized? :)
13:15 is Brackish by Cheesenubs
Check The description
@@bharatsinha9078 wow so helpful. Do you see where in the description the specific songs are listed? :)
love how you analyzed the mistakes and counted the seconds which could have been saved
I hate it
@@divyamagrawal2614 ok
From an outside perspective, the whole pause changes controversy has to be a yes or a no (minus chunk loading and dimension entries), otherwise its all up to discrepancy and leaves this entire speed running category in shambles with the current top with blatant abuse, and follow up runners not having the same leniency, there's is already a lot of luck going into rsg speedruns, you then don't need more luck of weather or not a moderator decides what pauses were and weren't allowed in runs, i have followed mc speed running for about 8 months now and this is a factor that really hurts it as a spectator and players, as the final moment of a speed run will be ruined as you have to wait for pause discrepancies to accounted for. Just an opinion so welcome to a discussion :)
To me the pauses should count sure it's unfair because Brentilda was able to use it but it's an open door to people pausing whenever they feel like they need to calm down. Being able to handle the pressure is no easy task but it's a speedrunning skill at which you can get better. I feel like the problem is just the transition period between pause abuse and the modern era of pausing. Right now the wr is using pauses according to the rules at the time but when it gets beaten it will be the definitve end of the pause debate
He did not pause to calm down he paused for other reasons
i like the new editing and structure of the video, the pace is faster which is cool and you straight to the point. your videos are getting better keep them up guys
they've made such a mess of the pause situation. it either has to be allowed, or banned, I honestly don't care which. but this crazy situation of allowing it for some subjectively judged reasons and not others is absurd. in this specific situation, dealing with the pressure and anxiety of high level competition has always been a part of said competition, the mental ability to stay focused and not be pressured into mistakes is just as important in top players of any game or sport as their actual skill and knowledge.
Time outs exist in sport for a reason. It's so you can take time to assess things and recenter your focus. In all forms of competition, there's always something to help you with mental pressure. The pausing should be treated like a time out. TTO(Technical Time Out) for things that are unavoidable(I.e interruptions and injury), and PTO(Personal Time Out) for things that are avoidable, or personal choice(I.e bathroom break, reassessment, or mental stress) - Y'know, the exact same way professional competitions and sports do it.
@@CRFIDJ9K very few sports have time outs though. in the vast majority you just have to get on with it. also I cant think of an example of a sport with time outs where the objective is to get something done in the lowest time, and the time pressure forms an integral part of the competition
1:46 Dream Skin also increases the drop rate for blaze rods and pearls.
I love when I know the speedrunner that is "relatively unknown" it makes me feel like an integrated part of the community
Idk why but I always get a little emotional whenever someone completes a baller run. Hours of training practice and resets paying off. Absolutely fantastic!
I would have gotten a panic attack so bad I would fall to the the floor in shock if I had a wr pace run, so I think it's fair for him to pause for calming down
He was typing in javacord, I don't think he was having a panic attack
yea, but thats also a skill that should differentiate runners
Yeah, no. Pause to calm down is pause abuse, look at other speedrun, do they pause when they are going WR pace? No. A good example would be recent Super Mario WR. The stakes there are way higher and he didn't even pause for once.
@@firstnamesurname2482 Different games have different rules. This is Minecraft, not SMB1.
@@DueySR What makes is different? It's speedrunning. You want best time, that's it. This is so stupid.
the overworld had 1 major timeloss- not using the sword to kill the golem. doing that would save time getting wood, not needing to make a wooden pick etc. great video btw!
Ye but swords have no durability
@@divyamagrawal2614 It's what fsg runners used to do, and seeing as you only have to kill 2-4 blazes on average, and the golem only takes about 20 hits, you have plenty of durability left
Mind you, looting does not effect golem drops
that's barely a timesave because a gold sword has less DPS than a stone axe and he would've needed to make a stone axe anyways for frontloading (7.2 vs. 6.4 and the difference is much greater when you use crits) and you'd be saving on like 1 log (he still needs blocks to tower up) and a little bit of time saved on mining cobble
@@platinumcomplex1335 the main time save is him needing to make a pick and stuff, not killing the golem itself
I love the effort you put in the vids bro ✊🏽
Congrats to Piper, insanely well played
Fun Fact: not only does using a dream skin increase your speed by 10% but it also increases your ender pearl drop rate!!!
Ever heard of Downtown Binary, Departure? Those 2 music artists would match these videos super well bro, good quality vids keep it coming bro
Pausing to calm your nerves should count IMO. At least for me, not choking the run when under pressure is a skill
This was really cool !
Its annoying brentildas record stands and then the change happened. That just makes his record so so much harder to beat
13:28 look at brentildas chat lol
Nice video man 👍keep up the good work
I felt extreme stress just watching this, huge probs to the runner!!
Just wanna give a huge kudos to TWT for being so good at crafting these runs into narratives: putting them in context and adding extra info at just the right moments for the tension flow, so you always feel like cheering when that Ender Dragon goes down. Keep it up mates!
aaah yes Dream skins make you +10% quicker when travelling. That MUST be how Dream is so good and speedrunning and manhunt (trust)
well done video! 💜
Great video, you really make INTENSE and Fun stuff! Thanks for the tension
The panic pause should definitely be subtracted from the final time. First of all just because it seems obvious and humane. And secondly because the rules say "irl interruptions which couldn't be reasonably avoided": he was interrupted by a sudden surge of strong emotions, which he could not reasonably have avoided
Why are you assuming its a panic pause when it wasnt
@@jailsongmc_01_68 the mistaken assumption is from the video itself, where the weekly thing suggests that it was a panic attack
I loved this video, thx man
Insane run, congrats to piper!!
groovy video, will you release the asleep on keyboard cut?
I'm surprised people said this run had too many pauses, it really didn't
this is pretty pog
Because past runs that included lots of pauses count and they just change the rule it seems way too severe and unfair to not count this run.
For some reason this run made me so frickin hype
So happy for piper!
considering some of the blind travels that have happened in rsg lately i think a new world record could be not too far off
damn i got anxious watching this
High quality content. 👍🏻
Actually insane
wow this is such a great run
I can already tell this is going to be good
Maybe there could be a pause abuse buffer? Something short like 10-12 seconds that doesn't count toward your time, but once you go over that limit it starts counting? That at least makes newer times a little more fair compared to the WR.
my suggestion is that they should not count the panic pause because in the world record speedrun he paused because he was shocked and scared as he spawned in the stronghold
Really underrated runner didn’t know them bc no twitter afaik
To be honest IMO i think all pausing should be allowed, idk but what brentilda did takes skill. It does seem unfair but i think It can help us get insane world records. Without pausing im very certain sub 9 wont be possible. Don’t quote me on this tho
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOO GG PIPER, GODSPEED
Panic usually happens during any good runs in every game thats run, this is the first time ive heard its allowed to pause, so no I think you can fake panic easily and then create a sorta Tactical Pause
Kudos to piper. From this run I actually think that his ability is not reflected accurately by his old pb. Yes he’s got a god seed but he also played it very well. Gg
The fact that he’s using a dream skin is painful
are u sure?
Didn't use his dream skin in the thumbnail. Madge
But if he did, it was sort of clickbait for some viewer, so yeah
These videos actually great in quality why is no one talking about this?
Regarding the pause issue The only other game I have decent knowledge of is Mario kart For this Pausing due to nerves etc is allowed But if it seems u r judging alignment then it’ll be disallowed
in the overworld there might have been some more timesave with killing the golem with the gold sword which would allow them to skip the wood pick. also there was some wood in a village chest, tho missing that is basically just luck on which houses you check. Overall I think the run was very well played, and congrats to piper!.
that's barely a timesave because a gold sword has less DPS than a stone axe and he would've needed to make a stone axe anyways for frontloading (7.2 vs. 6.4 and the difference is much greater when you use crits) and you'd be saving on like 1 log (he still needs blocks to tower up) and a little bit of time saved on mining cobble
@@platinumcomplex1335 ye that makes sense
loved the clips of dav1e:)
Ur editing is looking so good than before... keep it up..
as long as the speedrunner is having some sort of breakdown, doesn't matter the scale, it should probably still be allowed, since it is still a mental breakdown
He managed to achieve a sub 11 without divine travel or even a fastion
To be fair, looting 3 is rarer than either.
Also, a good blind means you don’t need divine at all
My opinion on pauses goes like this: You should be allowed any pause length upon every dimension switch without counting (pause needs to start within 3 seconds of entering for it not to count or something like that). Then, you should have like 3 minutes pause credit, where you can pause without counting - anything above counts. But, to stop pause abuse to look around you like Brentilda did for example, every pause shorter than 10 seconds counts with 10 seconds towards your pause credit. You will run out very quickly if you pause abuse, but you have a lot of time to calm down in a run when changing dimensions plus these 3 minutes of free pausing. For settings changing, a regular pause, you have your credit for that, you will never really change settings above the 3 minutes limit. Well reasoned pauses like leaving for 10 minutes because someone called you somewhere shouldn't be counted as well.
3 minutes is too much when the rule only applies for sub 13s, that's almost a fifth of the rta spent on untimed pauses
why should pauses be allowed other than reduced lag? other games speedrunners laugh at u when they read this.
@@meinekraft667 "other games" arent minecraft
@@Trep3 So thats your argument? 😂😂😂😂🤦
@@meinekraft667 yes, do I need say more? minecraft is different from other games, its way more rng based, pausing in other games usually doesnt matter because you know exactly the set of inputs you have to do and how the run will unfold, but minecraft is different, so you cant compare them
Mom: we're leaving in 10 minutes! Piper: *challenge accepted*
I feel like they need to enforce the pause rule. Part of speed running is supposed to be handling the pressure in the heat of the moment
i think they should allow the pauses since he was under alot of stress and anyone could get a panic attack
Fun fact: Dream skin make u better at the game
plot twist it's actually dream who was grinding for a long time to prove himself
and proves himself with literal god luck lmao
@@puzzLEGO plot twist he was dream and was trying to cheat in other way
Having nerves while on very good pace is just a part of speedrunning, so the paused time should be counted
Speedrunning is about beating the game fast and not nerves
They should give everyone one free pause that doesn't count towards time.
It's simple, the rule should be that you can't pause more than the world record run.
Can you analyse Zylenox’s sub 12 pace run please ?, I think his run was very unique cuz he did a double blind and he could have had a sub 11 if he hadn’t gotten so unlucky with the dragon.
wait when did it happen?
@@domca26_ you can find the clip in his twitch.
@@vip02gahah49 ok thanks
I think pauses due to nerves should be times. Lots of the spirit of speedrunning is in being able to think fast along with playing the game fast and allowing you to take your time isn't in the spirit of the competition. If someone were to rack up hours waiting and pondering, it wouldn't be had
I think it should either be all or non, I believe no pause should be counted.
How do you distinguish between pauses due to nerves and pauses due to changing dimensions and loading chunks? How do know someone isn't taking 10 seconds to do deep breaths while chunks load in?
@@DueySR if someone wants to use the time for loading chunks to calm down they're free to do that, just like in any speedrun you can use the time when less is going on/nothing has to be done to calm down. that doesn't mean we should let people pause whenever they want to calm down, if you can't handle nerves that will affect your times and while that's unfortunate it's also just part of speedrunning
HE DID NOT PAUSE FOR NERVES WHY DONT PEOPLE UNDEDSTAND
this guys rng is beyond insane
I love speedrunning, but we often don’t take time to appreciate Minecraft as a whole But also, piper is extremely talented
I got a seed with wr potential for these players. It was a lava pool at spawn and close to the nether spawn is a fortress inside a treasure bastion. Literally
Its only got world record potential if the blind travel is in good coordinates and is insane, just a fastion isnt enough anymore.
@@j2trappy692 I've seen so many fastion seeds that aren't even sub-15. With decent blinds, even -- the RNG or other factors such as spawner proximity are just not there. And then you get something like Sizzler's 11:07 that could have been mid-10s if not for the elder guardian, and his initial overworld and nether travel was relative miles.
Oh wow very cool video
@NoobPro GamesXD lol such a mortal
I think the panic pause should not count for the final time, because you can’t just not panic, so it’s uncontrollable.
Every video of yours is great, but this one's quality was a step above
the javacord chatter got a sub 11.. pog
i think people are overestimating the benefit of brentildas pausing, as most of it could have been avoided with the same outcome, he just chose to pause at times because it didn’t cost time so why not. even if the rule had changed before his run, i bet that it still would have sub-10ed anyways
exactly
this inspires me to beat the dragon for the FIRST time (without cheats)
In reality, there have been a couple of people who have gotten a seed good enough to beat brentilda. But either they are just normally playing Minecraft, are not a professional speed runner, or failed due to rng or other causes. But it is only a matter of time till we get another god seed witch actually works out for the speed runner.
I think I came up with a solution that makes sense. All pauses should count, except for dimension loads. This is a commonly proposed solution, but I came up with a good reason. All tournaments are based on real time, as that is the best indicator of which run was fastest. The leaderboards are just compilations of runs that started at different times, like a tournament that is constantly occurring. Had two runners created worlds at the exact same time and one finished faster rta, while the other had a lower igt because of pause abuse, surely the runner who finished first is the faster one, like in tournaments? This is my reasoning for all pauses counted towards your run, regardless of outside circumstances. If you disagree, I'm happy to debate
People have already debated over this for a long time so this has already been brought up. The moderators already came up with their solution so there's no point in debating this anymore
@@nottherealben they can always change their minds.
Ngl the j3 is a sick plane
13:26 hmmm yes look under the dog cam, then look at chat .
POG
Imo there should be no room for ambiguity in rulings about pausing
I think that deciding which paused do and don't count towards the total time is too subjective. Minecraft doesn't really need more speedrun categories, but the leaderboard for RSG could be split into pauses and pausless
10:00 alright guys look at to the chat.