Intel Crashing Reports, Lunar/Arrow Lake, Gaming FPS Targets & More | The Full Nerd ep. 297
Join The Full Nerd gang as they talk about the latest PC building news. In this episode the gang covers the continued reports of high-end Intel CPU crashes, Lunar Lake details and Arrow Lake leaks, the best gaming frame rates to target, and more. And as always we answer your questions live!
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00:00 - Pre-show
06:49 - Intro
10:48 - Intel Crashing Reports
44:28 - Lunar/Arrow Lake
1:08:25 - Gaming FPS Targets
1:47:26 - Q&A
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I love her answers on the 60hz topic. She really hit the nail on the head with respect to financial factors playing a large role in the type of refresh rate technology people can even access
Always great to see Gordon back on the show.
It’s really nice to hear Gordon’s voice and its lively! I hope everything is going Gordon!
About your Dune confusion: Back in the 1960s, everyone was still freaking out about the new class of leader that was able to manipulate the masses using mass media, sophisticated psychology, etc. Some were good (MLK), but many were very evil (Hitler, Stalin, etc.). If you were a child in the 60s or 70s and your parents were reasonably well-read, you overheard adults talking about "cults of personality" in fearful, hushed tones. Hearing your parents be afraid of something tends to stick in people's memories. Dune is essentially an argument against charismatic leaders, and a response to the general public fear of cults of personality and the leaders that go with them. If you think about it, Paul Atreides has every possible characteristic one would want in a leader: tactics, strategy, the ability to think like a computer (mentat), the ability to see the future like a witch (Bene Gesserit), and even the ability to defend himself from assassins with highly competent personal combat. Despite having everything one could want in a leader, things go horribly wrong for the galaxy (they started to hint at this in the second movie, and we'll probably see it in the third), because at the end of the day, Paul is still a human being with human flaws. In the second movie, you're meant to cheer for Paul and his victories. The purpose of this is to show you how easy it is to get swept up in these things. Paul is the main character, but he is not the good guy. He is a villain who will cause a great deal of human death and really mess up his family as well as the galaxy.
What's in the box?
Thing is also these so called leaders always are the same at least it has been 99.9% of the time and that hasn't changed.
This kinda reminds me of Star Wars Episode I where it turned into a civics lesson and how the Emperor can veto a bill unless the Imperial Senate passes it with two-thirds of members voting for it.
I've never read the Dune books but what helped me understand the 1st Villeneuve movie was playing the late 80s Dune MS-DOS game, which morphed from an RPG into a turn-by-turn strategy game, with a planetary map of Arrakis
I fondly remember the MaximumPC music special. Welcome to Newegg customer support
PLEASE keep investigate the Intel CPUs crashes further. It's affecting more people than you would think, me included. I've tried many of the solutions suggested on different forums and although my system is stable for basic desktop tasks, I can't stabilize it for productivity and forget gaming. Either my CPU needs some very precise voltage variables set in BIOS, with engineer-level understanding or my CPU is already busted, and I can't RMA, so I'm stuck with it... -Windows 11 Pro 23H2 -ROG Maximus Z690 Hero -Intel i9 13900K -RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO -G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6000MT/s (with XMP) -Asus ROG THOR 1200W Platinum II
Just lower max clock more than people suggest (to something like 5200) and it will probably be usable. Not something you want to do with highend part but if RMA isn't a option it's better than nothing.
@@gorjy9610 Thanks for the suggestion, I tried x53, x52, x50 and also disabling the turbos (3.0, and adaptive). Crash still in WZ and Cyberpunk 2077. I lost hope for my i9, so today I got in touch with Intel to try to get the RMA.
Why can't you RMA it?
@@farmeunit I'm outside the U.S. (bought there) but I might be able to ship it back and hopefully get a refund to buy another locally.
As always thank you for the podcast. Got it ready to listen to tomorrow
I could never stand 30 fps. Hated it in the mid 90s console. Few early PC games were also locked at 30 fps. Command and Conquer 3 comes into mind. The input delay at 30 fps takes the enjoyment out of it regardless of genre. Bare minimum for me is a smooth 40. Run that on a heavily modded Oblivion because the game is always CPU bottlenecked. optimum is ~100 fps.
i cant handle only 60, feels like 30 to me nowadays
I know all of you guys, for a long time, you know way more about PCs and tech than me, but your discussion about FPS gave me this feeling of listening to teenager talk on the tram about a topic they knew jack-s*** about. You see the honestness of the discussion and think it's kinda cute and puts a smile on your face, but yea... Not taking your argument apart completely, but just two points to consider for importance and noticeability of framerate: - a movie can get away with 24fps because of its natural motion blur from the camera exposure time. If a fast moving camera had 24fps with individual frames shot and very low exposure times and every frame would be super sharp, it would look like stuttery stop-motion. - on a console, less than 1% of people play with a mouse and on a controller you have smooth curve for turn-rate, while with a mouse the turning can be erratic. This is more noticeable in first-person games. Try a third person game on a controller at stable 30fps with great per-pixel-motion blur (Ratchet & Clank for example) = very playable. Then play Wolfenstein 2 at 144+ fps on a mouse without motion blur (at that high refresh rates your eyes do some of the natural motion blurring) and go back to Wolfenstein 1, which is limited to 60fps... it's smooth but looks stuttery by comparison. You also didn't touch on latency advantages at higher refresh rates, which is why a buttery smooth DLSS3 cyberpunk at interpolated 90fps feels a bit slow and sluggish on a mouse compared to native 90fps.
Don't accuse me of undervolting. I think you meant Ziv. I'm the guy running dual Holley Double Pumpers, and a roller cam in my PC.
Can confirm 😁
No blower... tell me you got direct ram air on it at least feeding them 8 barrels 😮😂
@gasracing5000 I used to think my 21 fans were as good as a blower, until some dude showed up with an external radiator and 38 fans.
when you are ready to run NOS, call thermo fisher scientific for a cooler 🤑
@gasracing5000 When I want to go hardcore, I close up the room, put my parka on, and use a fan to blow -20f North Dakota winter air into the room. I'm to cheap for nos. :p
120hz is the next sweet spot after 60hz because most monitors and TVs support 120hz at 4k. And 1080-4k feels really good at 120.
FPS requirements very much depends on the game. I'm okay playing turn-based tactics games on my Deck dropping down into the single-digit FPS, but for DCS World (combat flight simulator) in VR I have to keep it over 90 FPS, and 120 FPS is obviously better.
The NPU could possibly enable star trek voice communication with PCs once the ai model improves and can run locally.
Glad she brought up how actual gameplay really matters when it comes to fps. People outraged at Bethesda for their fps cap on starfield but the mechanics and physics made it completely pointless to have some cranked fps.
So I have been complaining for a year about shader compile crashing and also having my computer just shutting down when playing certain games. That was with a 13700k and an RTX 4090. I thought my GPU was going bad. So unfortunately I went out and bought a whole new system and used AMD to find out if the CPU is the problem. I know I'm contradicting myself there but I found it hard to believe the CPU is causing the issues. So now I have a 7900X with my RTX 4090. It doesn't run quite as fast but I've had no problems running any of my games. Well, unless it's Dragon's Dogma, lol. So now I have an RTX 3090 paired with a 13700k and I think I have all the cores clock down to 5.2 gigahertz. It seems to be running in that configuration. So I think there's two issues: 1. The motherboard is causing the CPU to pull too much power at certain moments which is putting an enormous strain on the system. Especially when paired with a 4090. And I have a good 1,000 watt power supply. 2. The big core little core situation may not be working too well. I don't know if it's a chip issue or maybe Windows is not doing something properly. But like I said when I pair to 13700k @5.2ghz with the 3090 everything seems to be stable. But I don't use that computer as much anymore. I'm using the new one with the Ryzen chip. The only thing that I noticed with the Ryzen 7900X is some kind of weird lag. Every time it boots up and goes into my desktop before each app loads up there's like this pause and then it starts. It's almost as if the CPU is dormant and then has to be woken up right away. Or some kind of processing is going on prior to actually initiating the opening of the apps. The 13700k was much quicker and smoother when working.
Thanks for laying out your experiences, it sounds like it's very similar to what others have reported and definitely an issue that Intel/board manufactures need to get a handle on. Not sure if you saw Gordon's recent article but I'm curious to see if any of these fixes help your situation: www.pcworld.com/article/2307292/pc-maker-offers-a-potential-fix-for-crashing-intel-cpus.html -Adam
@@pcworld I'll check it out. Thanks for the tip.
i have a water chiller in my loop. cant wait to get the 14900KS in it and see how many chips i go through =.= 10900k has enjoyed 5.3ghz all core from day 1 without degrading
I have owned at least one 12900k, 12900ks, 13900k, 13900ks, 14900k and 14900ks. Some have had issues - the worst was the 14900ks I had 2 and both had to go back - real bad crashes/weirdness in Windows. A 13900ks would error bad on a mixed Prime 95 run so sold that as-is. The 12th gens were both fine. I now have 2 systems with a 13900k in and one system with a 14900k. Both running stable and well although I have done all sorts of changes in BIOS to under clock / volt the chips to keep them from damage from ambitious stock settings.
i enjoy the game the most when my 0.1% lows are above 90fps, then i get most enjoyment from the game. anything higher is better but its not much. anything lower... i still play the game but when i change the settings to get more fps i just makes more fun! And the tighter the 0.1%, 1% and fps are together the better the experience.
It's still a niche, but there are more "creator", "expert", and "professional" (not just gamer-targeted) components now that really should be aiming for stability/reliability, at least as a default or profile option in BIOS.
Speaking of Helldivers 2, someone convince me why it's so great? I own the game. I've played it probably about 12 hours. I'll still play it once in a while, but I don't understand the obsession. It seems pretty repetitive to me.
Being able to turn coms on without getting sniped by 12yo talking trash about your mom is a draw. It was priced 30% off at release and there is no reason to spend money in game... refreshing to see a game company that aren't greedy monsters. The Devs listen to the community and interact with them. You can blow stuff up 100 different ways... and you can blow stuff up too. The fact humans are the bad guys and this game recognizes it. In the end, it's fun. The main draw is its fun. Even when things get sweaty. Players spend more time laughing and less time gripping and crying than other games. It's a bit repetitive sure, but most video games are.
@@gasracing5000 12 year olds? you must play fortnight. I mostly play game pass games, so the price is irrelevant. Also for a paid game, Division 2 is a 3rd person looter shooter that's way better than Helldivers 2. Although it is 5 years old now. These are different types of games but Atomic Heart and Starfield were both way more fun than HD2. (although starfield does have a lot of stupid stuff in it)
Needing a PowerPoint to explain the movie is sort of a Lexx vibe. IYKYK
So far I had 4 Intel-systems and 1 AMD system. 2 out of the 4 Intel-systems were unstable out of the box. The first one was with an i5-750, it had some bug in the firmware, something with the RAID-support (as Acer called it in the BIOS). Occasional crashes, sometims once in 2 months and then 3 times in a week, not related to the activity. The second unstable Intel-system: a laptop with an 8350u, also from Acer. Interestingly this laptop is perfectdly stable with Linux, it can't be made stable with Windows and I have tried everything that you can think of: clean install with no drivers, clean install with new OEM-drivers, disabling hardware, nothing works. So either Acer is a horrible company which can't make a stable system or Intel has had much more problems with unstable CPU's which got solved at a later stage but did not get solved by OEM's. Not that AMD always is 100% stable (it is not) but for the CPU's I pick AMD now.
60hz would be the minimum for most AAA games, but FPS should be 90 and above. I use 120hz and love it, most games I play run at 90-100 fps with high setting enabled, as I want all the graphical features on. Most wouldn’t care though as they don’t understand, by the young gamers are very worried about how many frames they are getting.
It's like Google search, you get a bunch of other crap other than what you actually search for. And it get even worse on KZhead. You might get 3 - 4 results related to your search, the rest is just crap. In the middle of the search you have the "For you" crap. WTF
its just fine tuning
13900kf been crashing at stock settings even without xmp enabled from about the 3rd month I've owned it. So coming up on a year. Crashing has been in fortnite directx12, the finals, apex legends (crash reliability increasing) some others. Everything else is totally normal
The i9700 and i9600 didn't have hyperthreading. But then Intel brought it back except the 4core 11th gen mobile chips. Then later the ecores have none. Also, I was reading somewhere that some of the security issues that people were having with AMD and Intel CPUs had to do with hackers exploiting hyper-threading technology or things related to it. I'm no engineer so I'm not sure about that. I would rather just buy a 16core chip no ht. Won't they run cooler?
41:30 it's not so much a pile on problem, as much as the GPU actually melting the port, which could start a fire. That was actually dangerous. The CPUs just crash and that's it The AM5/ASUS problem is a good comparison though
I'm ok with 60fps in games as long as it's steady and the graphics are worth it (path tracing etc.), but for some reason I _hate_ 60fps for regular desktop/windows/internet use. Once you've become accustomed to 165, 144, or even 120, 60fps becomes painful and 30 is completely unusable. It's when it gets above 120ish I don't care as much and care about fidelity far more.
agreed, tho i stil struggle with games at 60 too personally
Smooth 30, Iaugh so hard 😂. Xbox series X can run some games at 120 fps. Gordon, get a leverless controller for fighting games that will change your mind on fighting games. HARD CORE!
Sweet. Apple M1 thru M3 processors have a major design flaw that cant be fixed with software update. Now Intel has same issue with the memory controller issue. Maybe just dont overclock?? I never do. Hot rodding a chip shortens the life of the CPU. They Got the 14900ks all the ray to 8.2 GHZ! So my next chip is the high voltage 14900ks.
So it shortens if from 50 years to 20 years? Is that meaningful? I've never had a CPU fail in umm 35+ years.
@@esaedvik 50>20 was maybe a thing with parts that use older nodes, with shrinking everything down you also loose some reliability, Ian I think explain that really well here recently. I had some degradation issues even back in c2q days, chips which at start run at 3,3 later work only with 3,1 or even less and demand more voltage for that.
@@gorjy9610 at least half the chips are boosted inhouse anyway
I have an i7 12700f and have the same issues in only Unreal Engine games. I hope that they patch this soon because it is absurd...
What is the fixation on NPU performance? The load that a given AI workload can put on the NPU which means if some company uses AI for some tool it needs to know the workload it puts on an NPU. But of course Mickeysoft is also building AI tools into the OS, search engines will use AI, so AI this and AI that and all of a sudden your CPU is crying for help. So, the software companies have to understand the AI compute power of current CPUs so you don't hate your system, or their software. And forget the investors for a moment. As was talked about AI functionality has been being worked on for many years. But, a SOFTWARE company can't build in powerful AI tools if your system can't deal with it. So if you want to know who the target audience is for some of these discussions, it's the software companies probably more so than any other entity. And also, gaming is a special case, because the AI cores on the GPU are already going to be tied up with DLSS or whatever temporal upscaling an AMD GPU is using (Sony, Microsoft, Intel, or maybe even AMD). So you can't simply say the GPU can do X, Y or Z when playing a game. So now you get to the game itself, and what happens when you can use AI to determine outcomes, it means that the CPU can't use the AI cores on the GPU, it has to use the NPU that the CPU has or another NPU such as on an NVMe for the game logic. Otherwise the AI cores on the GPU are doing to cause stuttering for fps, or that would be my assumption. So, games put two totally separate AI loads on the system, one for upscaling and one for the game logic, when that comes into games, and it will. Considering how many game studios Mickeysoft owns, it really matters to them.
These are good points, but it is hard for me to believe gaming has that much gravity in these design choices that also are largely mobile-focused right now.
The micro stutter is so annoying. Hogwarts legacy, i can get 180 fps but it stutters whether I cap at 30-60-120-240. I notice
I would much prefer 30fps with zero stutter to 300fps with regular stutters. Probably just me though
Doom.. its like the goddest god on earth the whole time on, arrow lake is my first pick helldivers 2 is insane, i love it very much!
The Intel one is unfortunate, don't think the "it's okay just down clock your high end chip 5%" cuts it when people lost their mind when zen 2 was missing 50-75mhz of its clocks. Hopefully something they can update easily without losing the paid for specs (and it's not like the 3000 fix where I could only have max clocks on desktop moving the mouse). AMD under stating max clocks a little seems a better option with 5000 and 7000. Intel could do similar and bring back the OC feel good factor where at least we mess up and not themselves or the board partners.
Intel is in a tough spot because it has to crank up the clocks (and power) to be competitive in reviews and the 'bigger bar is better' context that all consumers only accept. We can all say CPU is less important than your GPU purpose for gaming, but most people still let 'bigger bar is better' on cpu guide their choice.
I don't know, Gordon is always reserved when talking about Intel problems but if it's AMD, it's always, very much an immediate response. He almost always makes valid points regardless, inconsistent caution is just less desirable than one might hope. But hey, I watch largely to hear his insights. And when he says something too far one way someone else usually brings up the good counter points. It works.
1:45 - that would be a bad idea, Alaina. Will was laughably wrong, like he is with so many things.
This is all on Intel. Having to clock down is an unacceptable fix. They should have done something like what AMD did with their AGESA updates to keep everything in check. AMD has had issues too but they handled it, and warn the user that the risk of overclocking is on them.
I thought they had found it was just a case of motherboard suppliers overvolting or something. Like with AMD. So the fix isn't down clocking but regular output so the board doesn't push it over. Or has there been more news?
Leto the God Emperor and Paul the Messiah arent the end all... Dune becomes Duncan Idahos story after the first books.
When trying to RMA with Intel, the first thing they ask is for you to set SVID Behavior to Intel Failsafe. This results in my 14900ks sitting in the bios at 1.6v+.
If you bought it for less than a month, you can return it and buy a new one. It’s a much simpler process than RMA.
@@PowellCat745 or you can return it and just buy an amd cpu.
Love you all!
Turned off voice recognition on my phone from the start, I’m quicker and organized lol
What none of them talk about is the amount of cooling your PC would need to constantly run your PC flat out to maintain a 360hz monitor, just try running your gpu on anything above 120hz/fps without V-Sync for more than 30mins and see how hot your system gets much less 144/240/360hz 😅 No wonder they make so much money the markets does wonders on young brains and old ones obviously.
many folk runninhg triple monitoirs at 144 so dont imagine be much harder
@@PazLeBonLOL. I love how people want to include the entire demographic in their argument. You're right you win.😅
260 is where I prefer to be.
glad I just went with an AMD 6800 XT and not an AMD video Card for my i9 13900k. I stuck with AMD because I run a duel boot Hackintosh Sonoma build. Nvidia has no drivers for use in Macs or Hackintosh.
havent heard the term video card for like 30 years :)
it's used quite often still even on retailer sites. Also I am a bit confused at the apparent contradiction in the first sentence.
I tried watching Dune about 4 times,,, just doesnt work for me at ll for some reason. I hope i like dune 2 more
It's easy to fix if you read, set max cache to the at load ratio. Auto min, auto ring down
😅 Problem is unless it says that on the box, I don't think the majority minus you three are looking to have to do that when they purchase it, whether you agree or not.
@@chrisbullock6477 true. but they CAN send for a refund :)
This NPU stuff is the RTX 2080 TI of its time. Also the worst tech purchase of my life lol. Sounds great, but we won’t see actual use for this feature until 5 years later. Even then, it’s meh.
I think a chunk of console players (players whose only console is a Switch) might feel like 60 fps is a luxury and definitely not "too low". And I think another chunk of people who are stuck on older hardware (because recent parts prices have put upgrades out of their reach) think they'd be super lucky to hit 60 fps. But for OS-level things, like on phone or Windows/Mac desktop, and how cheap that much graphical power is to be able to run and display it, people deserve at least 90 and ideally 120 in the OS. It just makes everything feel better. Scrolling is clearer. You lose your mouse cursor less. etc.
im allllways over 90 on older ryzens, i cant imagine playng iracing at 60ps lol
Why is the conversation about Frame Rate within the context of Competitive Esports as if everyone who plays video games on the planet a competitive E-Sports player?
I used to think it *only* applied to pro-competitive players but my mind was changed and now believe that a normal person can benefit from it if they play games that can benefit from the high-refresh rates. If you play CS in casual pickup games, you will likely perform better with a high-refresh rate panel. I don't know about you, but I don't play online games against other humans an enjoy getting my ass kicked. If the hardware improves my chances -- and I can afford it -- it's worth it.
@@FakeGordonMahUngI'm 44 years old and just had a flash back at how Pong ran at 60fps...I hear you my brotha.
i imagine as many as half of gamers nowadays play online racing games
So Will Smith now is a regular host, I guess. I have been out of the loop for a while.
I'm really glad that Will is on the show. Feels like he just naturally fits in.
no one know what it is lol when the motherboards power limits at default are too high
I understand simplification, but Wil just goes too far! I am doubting how well he actually understands Dune. The reasons for getting rid of "thinking machines" are well outlined. The worms "Are" the Spice, and he didn't say it but was about to. Paul's Son, not Grandson knowingly ingests too much spice, along with a whole sand trout ordeal to become a quasi-sandworm / God Emperor. He didn't OD on space-coke and turn into a worm.
Sounds like Gordon has never played Virtua Fighter. I played it competitively 20 years ago. Button smashers would never land a single hit on me.
true, they landed a triple whammy
...."Full Nerd" throwing shade at Dune......? Tone of the room...?
what?
The issues with the 12pin connector and the amd voltage were effectively more serious and with potentially non reversible consequences while, as far as I am aware most people can sort out the issues with the intel chips by setting stock settings (that are essentially vcache max 307, pl1/pl2 253, ) and slightly reducing multiplier, often from 55 to 53 or even 54, and generally they can continue to operate. There is a loss of performance in some cases, in others were the user is on 1440 or 4k resolution, there is even no performance drop at all , frustrating but quite different from having your gpu or cpu on fire.
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Dear person that I think doesn't ask the brightest questions, there's a REASON was AI cores are going into CPUs NOW, and that's the fact that in specific INTEL is hyping up AI and not so worried about the die space it will take up is because they've moved to Intel 4 process node, RIGHT?? Next, you CAN'T shove an ever growing amount of cores into a PC, unless you turn it into a WS. To be able to feed a growing numbers of cores in a CPU you need to keep increasing memory bandwidth and the ONLY way to do that is to move to a newer gen memory, like DDR6 which adds more capability OR have memory run faster, but that faster memory typically only keeps up with improving CPU performance, such as the case with AMD where they've had a lot of IPC improvement. Well, that means for AMD needs faster memory throughput because the CPU is doing more. So that leaves the last way to improve memory bandwidth, and that's add more memory channels. So don't worry your little head off, having an NPU in a CPU isn't going to affect the compute power for that CPU enough to worry about. There's already a LOT of cores in today's PCs. In fact there's so much capability for cores, Intel is scrapping HT. WHY is that possible? HT is all about improving the performance of a CPU with a limited amount of space because you don't get a 2:1 increase from the CPU by adding HT. In fact it's more like 1.5:1, which means having 2 physical cores is better than HT. So if Intel has the die space to get rid of HT which will improve IPC, then they have the space for an NPU.
ai i still see as software, the hyperbole is kinda ridiculous
Inching closer to 300 mark 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@Nintendo 🤝 @Valve 💻 = 🧀🧀🧀🧀...
Star Trek for life!
Time to break out the star trek uniform and background.
@@FakeGordonMahUng I’m right there with you!
@@FakeGordonMahUng It’s great seeing you on the podcast!
@@FakeGordonMahUng we already have the token asian with a woolly hat lol
biggest problem is review sites not setting M/bs up ti intel specs like asus , I USE asus but I A;WAYS RUN STOCK inrel settings and I A;WAYS UNDERVO;T . its great fun , MOST TEST SCORES ARE BETTER THAN MOST PEOPLES OVER CLOCKS ITS AMUSING WATCHING THESE REVIEWERS WHO SIMPLY OFFER OPINIONS WITH NO REAL FACTS . THESE K PROCESSORS ARE THE FASTEST THERE IS AT STOCK SPEEDS. A LITTLE UNDERVOLTING IS ALL THATS REQUIRED AND FOLLOW THE POWER LIMITS . fOOLS!!!!
Oh please you playing devils advocate now just doesn't suit you! LOL...
Hearing you guys arguing about fps and rr back and forth to no end, sounds like amateurish for me. At least someone needs to set the discussion course like what kind of game at what fps is acceptable, then at what format tv monitor or handheld. This podcast gave me no insights whatsoever. Sounds like normies talking about gossips or something
Panel would have called for return/refun if the intel 13/14 issues were AMD chips.
well about crashing, u cant rely on the mobo settings being set correct for the cpu u use. if it crashes change the voltage values a bit.
this is probably an unacceptable answer for average people expecting to screw a bunch of parts together and expecting defaults to work.
@@FakeGordonMahUng then maybe not going the diy route is right way for them? An prebuilt would be a much better solution for them. Back in the days u had to switch jumpers and switches to config the hw correctly.
@@Pillokun Oh, I agree. There are a lot of people who can benefit from buying a pre-built machine and probably do so. But the prevalent argument I see all the time in comments is "you're stupid if you don't build your own!"
@@FakeGordonMahUng the argument for me is more simple, i buy it the most inexpensive way to build that machine. if somones prebuilt that exact sytem and on a good offer then no need todo it myself but it it saves a few hudred quid i will do it myself
Intel needs to get back on their CPU track and take AMD head on again. It's so bad how much they fell off. I switched back to AMD in 2018 coming from Intel for 6yrs. Now it looks like I will be staying with AMD for a long time.
I can never understand why anyone would pick the 13/14900K if all they do is game and they’re building a new PC.
It's for the bragging rights
Because AMD sucks, Nuff said
@@lldjslimlol.
@@shalltearbloodfallen8712 7950X3D is more expensive
@@lldjslim That’s probably why they went with 13/14900K.
Windows' background processes will probably use these NPUs to intelligently and silently collect more of our data and/or habits and sent it to MS servers as telemetry. If we are going back to the CD-ROM 1x -> 2x area, then i would rather like to see double performance for those x86 cores, which are actually useful for me and for most of us, not these NPUs made for shareholders or investors. If photoshop and search functions are most noteworthy application for these dedicated silicon NPUs then i think they're worthless. Can NPUs be used for better quality upscaling, or physical audio calculation like RT cores can? To me it seems an another buzzword to increase sales, because they can't or don't want to sell us more cpu/x86 performance more cheaply. Getting rid of HT is not a bad idea, when so many patches has to work to negate security vulnerabilities, they maybe/probably reached a point where without HT the cpu or applications run faster than with HT and security mitigations and can free up some silicon space in the process. Though these are just my assumptions.
Gordon, always the Intel shill.
In FPS games, 60 is fine, 40 is fine with VRR. 30 hurts. I never really have hardware for 144 FPS+ anyways. I prefer fidelity over FPS myself. I do get rid of features that tax hardware, but don't really give any visible advantage at all. Digital Foundry is a gem for doing their optimized settings stuff.
Different people have different sensitivity to refresh rates... 40fps in VR is nausea inducing to me, 90fps is much better for VR. On a monitor 90fps is also the spot where things really start smoothing out IMO. 120 is my general target, but a locked 90 is fantastic.
less than 90 hurts me tbh
Intel makes another crappy cpu generation. Imagine paying $600+ for you to just down clock it and not get the performance you paid for. Jfc
Yeah seems trash. They don't care about fixing the design at all
GAMING COULD USE ai
Why are we saying 360 is the peak, 500Hz panels are already out. Let's gooooooo. Guessing most people won't notice the difference between 60 and 120. Not on PCs or phones.
theres an absolutely umissibale massive difference beteen 60 and 120 , a blind man would see it
Most game engines/hardware cant handle 500 fps (yet). But i find a 1440p 360hz is a great sweet spot for the next 5+ years.
120fps lol. Snobbery.
im usuallly a few years behnd the curve, in p.c,, games etc so everything is still new to me when a few years old and even i am on 144
I am using the same 1080p monitor from 2010.
...Btw I was really good at piloting helicopters in Desert combat. I know people were mostly terrible, but once you get it... 👌 You can destroy everyone.