Building a Low Power, All-in-One, Silent Server
I built a lower power, efficient, and silent server! Although this server is small and efficient, it's still powerful enough to run Proxmox with multiple virtual machines like pfSense as my router, TrueNAS as my NAS, Ubuntu Server running Portainer with lots of Docker containers, and I have even passed through the hardware and video card to a Virtual Machine and turned this into a Desktop, all while transcoding Plex streams!
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00:00 - How to Build an All In One Proxmox Server
01:18 - Hardware Specs
03:27 - CoreBoot Open Source BIOS
04:30 - Hypervisor Choice
05:15 - Network Firewall Choice
06:09 - NAS Choice
07:00 - Docker Containers
07:26 - Desktop OS and GPU Psssthrough
08:54 - Hardware Transcoding with Plex and Quick Sync
10:54 - Power Draw and Heat
11:46 - What do I think about Protectli Devices?
Thank you for watching!
Great video, I've been running a Protectli for a few years with no problems. The customisation options for software are excellent.
Always like your videos, Tim. As a teacher I appreciate them a lot and the steps are very easy to follow!
I've been focused on home servers of this variety for a few years/few different builds up to current. I suppose you could say it's partly budget based, however I do run it in my garage, and while it doesn't get drastically hot, theirs less complexity that otherwise comes with standard CPU cooling which has worked out better than I imagined it would when I started with a small NUC-like AMD powered unit a few builds ago. Right on for doing a feature on this Tim! I've been edging towards running PFS on PVE on my current build. I've done so on a work related server while the hardware on that beast is a whole other animal, but it's nice to be able to restore vzdump's of PFS vs remembering to run config backups guestside in the event you need to revert something. My only hesitation is the added heat the system may see while playing center host to all network traffic, but I guess you never know until you get bored one weekend and try lol. As far as running multiple machines, even past a dozen or so, I'd say you're generally going to be fine so long as theirs sufficient memory, and if the bulk of your guests are comparable in makeup to your average Raspberry Pi, while a Window guest or a Mac VM amidst the bunch can function well off if you do your homework on a good hardware foundation, even if fanless and low power these days.
This is the definitive small server I've been looking for. That is for bringing it up
Interesting ideas. I was thinking because it is a 12v device I might turn my older 2 Port Protectli into a small server for my camper. Something to house a small media library for when it is raining and we want to watch TV, backup storage for the courses I am taking this summer (would hate to loose a dissertation or something), etc. Interesting ideas. Gave me something to think about for sure.
I setup a proxmox machine on a Protectli Vault FW4B - 4 Port machine. It is pretty cool! Great video!
In my experience, iGPUs are a lot more challenging than a dedicated GPU or even a Discrete GPU for that matter. But if you wanna keep it compact and low power, not really a better option unless you go for the really niche and non standard eGPUs for when you want to use it as a desktop
Great video. Three distinctive things about device is power consumption,size and 2.5 Gbps comparing to do it your self type of a machine of a branded used computer.
You are the reason why I built my first home lab from router to selfhosted apps, Thank you so much for everything
I have a similar software build, except that I'm running two VM's containing OPNsense tied as Master Backup team, and two containers running PiHole. The containers are listed in the bulletin the DHCP server hands out to any clinet connencting up. Works pretty well so far.
Hi Tim, great video that you are delivering to us! Regarding to the QSV issue of using HW transcoding, i've recently stumbled upon with similar scenario using an 12th gen Alder Lake intel N100 on Ubuntu 22.04 trying to perform some transcoding with Jellyfin. While i don't know if it's the absolute true, but after reading some forums i've found that there are some incompatibilities with QSV and VAAPI for intel graphics in kernel versions between 5.15 up to 6.1. Maybe you might consider to try with 6.2 kernel for this, as i suceeded using transcoding for AV1 and HVEC and which btw, gpu engine can be monitored with intel_gpu_top command (similar to Windows gpu resource monitor). Best of luck and keep doing great work!
So it's (plex on linux) working with prox running 6.2 kernel now? I'm considering getting one of these (a topton i5 1235U unit) but the lack of QSV would be the dealbreaker (it would replace what I need but I want the ability to migrate and retain plex hw capability).
Would love these sorts of devices to be available with rackmount options - multiple in a 1U or 2U space would be awesome. I'm currently 10Gig backbone but my prox hosts would be fine with 2.5GbE. Might need to look into these further. Thanks Tim! EDIT: would love to see how these handle failover in a FT/HA situation on prox with plex and the video passed through...if you're looking at something a bit more to add to what you've already done ;)
I think protectli sells a rack mount shelf for this device (but not for all of them)
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The only thing I wish they would change on the protectli, would be to make the power button recessed. It is so easy to accidently bump it and power cycle the system.
I use mine as a router and have it with the eth ports facing forward, so that isn't a problem for me.
I find the barrel connecter isn’t very secure. A little bit of movement and it falls out.
I made a rack with a tv dinner tray and haven't needed to touch it since
@@davidg5898 My 2 year old FW2B has a recessed power button but it faces away since it's just a PfSense router for me.
Try gluing some plastic washers around the power button?
Excellent review
wow so much valuable info in one video Thank you
I got a 4-port Protectli last year to run router and NetSec duty. I'm never going back to a standard router again. The only negative point I can give it -- and this is only true for the smaller 4-port chassis -- is that the 2.5" SATA power connector isn't right-angled. It's impossible to fit a 2.5" drive in the provided mount with a straight connector. I tried forcing it and broke the power connector on the drive (luckily just the plastic without pin damage, so a dab of superglue fixed it).
Brilliant video! 👍😊
All I want is protectli to either have two intel 10gb sfp+ ports or a pci-e x8 slot (sure optional fan as 10gb nics run hot) and I would be thrilled. That's why I've never bought one. Maybe I should get one for the *arr stack tho.... Cool video, thanks.
This may be the solution for my off-grid camper van travelling office 🎉
This look good for a investment into a small but productive homelab. The price maybe worth it depending on use case.
Do you already have an ETA for the "Ultimate Router" video? I am considering buying an VP2420 for exactly that purpose but would love to see your video on it first 😛
really interesting. Can you actually tell the feedback on temp effects after using for some days?
Excellent video. My truenas runs from proxmox. The pool is 6 spinning drives in a usb3 drive cage. I've had great results.
What cage do you have? Been looking into getting one
Same here looking for a cage. What speeds do you get over USB?
@@kenniltv It's usb 3.0. Theoretical 5 GBs. It saturates 1 GbE network easy, even on writes. 1 gb (bits) = 125 MB (bytes).. if your going to cage ssd drives, maybe go with a usb 3.2 cage.
@@bearcountrypublishing5303 thanks for the tip! Currently using a slow Synology 4 bay NAS with 1Gbit LAN. Any tip on USB cage?
@@kenniltv the one i got was from syba. It was the cheapest i could find with usb3, 3 years ago. My zfs is like raid 10. 3 stripes mirrored. 6 disk total. I pass the drives straight to truenas from proxmox. No problems. If I was going use SSDs I would find something smaller and faster, like usb 3.1 or 3.2? I have recently seen single bay ones that were cheap and chainable. Just look around.
I have this setup for more then 2 years now , perfect!
What device do you have?
@@kenniltv I have the FW6E - 6 Port Intel® i7
Techno Tim Sir, I have a Protectli FW4B-0-8-120 and was wondering if I could do the same with it or should I just simply upgrade to the Protectli Vault Pro VP4630-6 Port, which you mentioned. Or use them in some sort of combination as you'd suggested i.e. using my current model as a desktop or some other device of sorts. I eagerly await your response.
Such a great video review,I want to try this with my Mini PC, the question is can I use an Alder Lakes-N solution to handle this?
Hi Tim, thank you for your good video. Could you tell me which model you use for this video? Thank you for your advance information.
Looks amazing! But how you built a TrueNas server with that? and another Hard Disks? Thanks!
Great video, just a thought but there's the m.2 slot for the wifi card, without looking at the spec's of the slot, could you not repurose the slot with an msata disk for booting proxmox off of?
Awesome! I was peaking through your docker images and VMs. Your Spotify seams nice :D what else there is to run worth trying? I'm a new subscriber (couple of months) and I would like to thank you for awesome content!
Thanks! I have tons of containers! Check out my docs site for a list!
Imo, better to have your edge firewall/router as a dedicated physical appliance. I get the appeal and I know a lot of people do this but having it all in one unit, if that VM fails or if you need to reboot the host, you just killed internet for your entire household. Yeah you can run a redundant VM/host for high availability blah blah but a lot of people go this route without thinking it through how they're going to be fucking with this thing all the time, which you don't wanna do with your edge device. Best to keep all the cool fun stuff on Layer 2 where it belongs, and put Opnsense in front on the edge where it belongs, but other than that great video!
I wanted to get one of these to upgrade my router system in my home. 😃
Great video, Would love to hear how to pass though the igpu, didn't think that was possible 🙂
Nice demo! There is one thing I was missing: How much power does the system consume without the extra periphery (and maybe without any VMs) when idling? That would be an important metric for a low-power server to me. Leaving out the extra hardware and VMs make the numbers more comparable. Regarding the VGA passthrough: Did you make sure that no driver on the VM host accesses the VGA? In my setup for example, I ensure that by mapping (dummy) drivers to the PCI device via kernel parameters at boot. Passing the only available GPU is little more complicated compared to a secondary GPU afaik (as, for example, the BIOS accesses it when the VM host boots).
I'm showing around 11W idle and 25W with the CPU pegged at 100% using the stress tool in Linux. It comes with a 90W power adapter, which seems like massive overkill, but maybe they did that on purpose to keep it more efficient.
@@TexasAggieRC Thanks for the response! 11W doesn't sound too bad depending on the CPU. :) The 90W sound more like a reserve to cover for some power hungry configurations to me.
I've got one of these in play @ home and have it running Pfsense barebone. I found the heatsink/casing gets quite hot so much so that I've got a USB fan blowing over the casing which has helped. But before I put the USB fan, the heatsink was quite hot to touch. With everything you have running, which is a lot more than I do, are you experiencing similar issue?
Questions about the failed W11 Desktop using: Did you test both Machine types (q35, especially vers 5.1)? Did you try bios and uefi?
2:30 "...a 1TB EVO Drive!" Proceeds to show a QVO Drive 😮
3:11 THAT PART.....😂🤣
I believe if we cool "core i9" like that , we can definitely cook something.....!!! 😂🤣
Heya Tim, any way you can get 2 SSDs on there? Would be great for Mirroring!
Rather buy a thin client on the second hand market like an hp t740 for 250€. It even has PCIE expansion. The 6 port protectli costs around 700. 😮😮😮
that's really cool to see. it's not super expensive but still, the price and everything not working perfectly gives me some doubts
Aren't those the ones that stop working after a while?
I am in the process of building out a new router using a similar device with Proxmox, pfSense, PiHole and CloudKey and having some issues. I bought my own memory and M.2 with heat sync to ensure quality but not sure about the power supply. Looks budget and could be the weak point of my set up. Not sure who makes a quality 12VDC power brick with a barrel connector. The other issue I am having is that the pfSense and OPNSense ISO and USB images are not bootable in Proxmox. Took quite a bit of work to get a bootable image for pfSense using Etcher and dd but have not gotten a bootable OPNSense. I think I have tried so many times that my thumb drive is fried. The other thing I am doing is that I created an Alpine LXC container for my LAN and all of my VLANs so I can quickly test network rules. I even created a simple NodeJS web server that I can run on any port to help.
That's awesome and something I've been looking myself to create - similar build. However, can you please share how did you share/passthrough hardware-to-VM? I cannot see it here nor on your website and is crucial for me in order to create similar VMs, especially GPU and Network Ports (sensors like temperature sensor would also be appreciated).
See my video on GPU passthrough for proxmox! Same idea!
Forbidden Router, there be dragons, Tim! :D
I saw Plex was part of your Ubuntu-Server in docker. And you forwarded the GPU to the Ubuntu-Desktop VM. Did the Plex in docker not has HW encoding? And if yes how? Did you then migrate Plex to the desktop to get HW encode?
Good for home use that's about it.
@TechnoTim If you figure out the HDMI / quicksync passthru for Windows & Linux/Ubuntu, please make a follow-up video, or update your docs page? I'm hoping to achieve the same! I've not attempted different Proxmox kernels yet. Also, did your Ubuntu pass audio thru and that work?
I think it's a limitation of the virtualization layer, you can't pass through the igpu or Quicksync to more than one VM.
@@kenniltv I don’t mean both at the same time. I mean getting HDMI for Windows & quick sync for Linux working separately. I’ve got similar unworking outcomes with my i7-8700T. ;(
Hey great video! Just curious what you assigned to the ubuntu server as resources. I want to get into Docker and containers in general but I don't know how much CPU and RAM I should give to the Ubuntu VM.
I also wish the resource and storage allocations were detailed, perhaps on the linked web page.
Somehow when I use XCP-ng+XOA as the hypervisor, PLEX can see my Nvidia GPU (GTX1660S) using Ubuntu Desktop but not Windows 10. However, I do prefer Ubuntu as a PLEX transcoder instead of a Win10. I am using a AMD Zen 3 5900X as one of the hypervisor nodes and the other using 5950X, where I can shift from the VMs from one node to another.
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Interesting that you had troubles getting hw decoding working on a vm by passing through your igpu to your linux machine. I actually did this last week on my i5-1135g7 chinese protectli-wannabe router and it worked flawlessly. My ubuntu vm is running portainer with plex as a docker container and sure enough hardware transcoding seems to work just fine! (Fun thing I just went to check and it transcoded on the cpu and not gpu, re-deployed the container and it's fixed again, weird).
One question! Since it has two video outputs, can Proxmox output Proxmox's terminal on a monitor from one, and another for a VM's passthrough...??
To do something like this would it be easy enough to make an instruction video on how to use one of these as a Server, thats connected to a NAS. Or is doing something like this pretty difficult?
Hey! are you using a specific gobernor on proxmox? I can only get stable temps below 70°C with the conservative one :C
Hey @TechnoTim, I have been pondering the switch from TrueNAS core to scale for better proxmox integration. Is it worth it? is the migration hard? Great video and i can't afford those. :D
I've used these mini X86 routers for last 5 years, I must advise anyone would try these: The cooling solution isn't perfect, when you run a few VM or add NVME drive into this, it gets hot, it should be OK if you leave it on some well ventilation environment, if not, it will hit 90° very quick.
I think my mini PC is suffering this! Going to have to plug in a usb fan to cook (nope COOL 😅) it. Got it really loaded up hardware wise, very impressed with it, and can power down my main server and disks whilst this lil powerhouse sips power (not over 500w idle!)
Are there any links to original chinese barebones they make it from? Would be nice to compare prices. 6x2.5 is actually interesting.
Interesting ideas.
Honest question here, why use trueNAS vs just sharing out the partition from proxmox itself? Is it just easier to configure any shares through trueNAS?
You mentioned that you wish it had more storage expansion and i was curious, so i looked into it and the two other m.2 looking slots both say "Connector uses USB protocol over an mPCI connector. Designed for Protectli WiFI and LTE modems, but is not limited in its capabilities" directly in the manual .... Soo I'm curious, could those two extra slots be used for storage too???
Yes I think so. There is mPCI you can use for slow SSD's (mSATA in a NvME looking connector, but pinout is different. Or use bad WiFi chips that pfsense or opnsense dont support. Regular connector in these devices. (Have only seen 2.4ghz WiFi chips in mPCI connector for example)
On the vp4630 (and I believe vp46xx models in general), there is an E-key m.2 slot (PCIE x1 for wifi) and a B-key m.2 slot (USB for 4G LTE). The E-key wifi slot is as versatile as any other - you can find 2230 E-key to 2280 M+B key modules so you can pop in another SSD, or even PCIe adapters if you want. You're limited to one gen 3 PCIe lane but that's enough to saturate 5GbE. On the other hand, the USB b-key slot is hard to repurpose because its USB wiring is quite rare. You'd probably have to design your own PCB if you want to do something besides LTE.
Yo Tim. Video request for you! I want to know more about using Redis. The only app I have that it uses in its stack right now is next cloud. But I'm not even sure if I got it set up right for optimal performance. I understand that it cache stuff in RAM... But that's about it! I want to make my apps as responsive as I possibly can. Can you make a video of how we start implementing redis into our stacks?
Hey man, interesting tiny thing. Thanks for that. Other qestion, how can you hide that windows is virtualized. Some apps wont run under a virtualization and it would be nice, to hide that fact in Windows. Is it possible?
How hot does this VP4650 run at low CPU utilization or idle? I'm currently upgrading from an older Qotom Q355G4 to this VP4650 with 16GB RAM to migrate my Untangle NGFW 16.6. I wasn't planning to do any further virtualization for the time being. Just need a home router that will support my 1 Gbps symetrical fiber with room for expansion up to 2.5 Gbps in future.
That is pretty much the dream setup for all home labs, right there. Nicely done. *looks at my casual rpi 4 "all in one" serving docker with pihole + two dns providers, router, firewall while also playing a live stream 24/7 Oh well... I'll get there someday.
I wonder how people do this. My pi4B 4GB struggles just to run apache guacamole with one session of RDP...
@@DrDingus Eh, theres nothing really fancy behind it other than masking certain services (journald, plymouth, tmpfiles), disabling both wifi and bluetooth and giving equal values to both arm_freq and arm_freq_min (1500, in my case.)
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@@GustavoMsTrashCan You are able to disable all of those services without repercussions?
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A POE+ nic or two would be perfect even if had to have a more powerful power supply.
but what about out of band management?! i've been digging into Intel's AMT and using meshcommander via homebrew and have had great results. small form factor, low cost, DIY, and not breaking the bank like I would with something like Dell's iDRAC. I'd love to see what you think
Valid point 👌
It didn't pass through the GPU because Proxmox already had control over the GPU because of the console. You probably need to boot up Proxmox in the way that it uses tty/a serial device as "the" console. I would try that
9:45 I know on arch based linux distros I had to have specific packages to get gpu acceleration working
That thing's borderline pornography... So many advantages that you didn't mention such as low power draw allowing extended operation on battery or even a beefy UPS. I would be most worried about theft, I hope you can bolt it in. Is there a Ryzen version on the cards given the hit Intel chips are taking with some of these CPU security mitigations?
Hey techno tim , pls can you create a video on how to setup duckdns with traefik and plain old docker?
Great video Tim! Can this also run ESXi? And would this be a better choice that an Intel NUC 13 Pro?
Should work with ESXi but can't guarantee. This device is only better if you need the 2.5Gb NICs. I would go for the NUC if you only need 1-2 NICs.
@@kenniltv What makes the NUC better? I mean..the NUC guarantees working with ESXi so from that point of view it's better but..has it also better hardware/support/cooling?
@@UniPer85 depends on what you want it for. NUC is more desktop and PC friendly. Protecli is more router server. You have to compare the CPU between the systems and max wattage draw. Other than that they are similar except the 6x i226 NICs.
Quick question i want to build a cloud storage on my own and locate in a different country with 24/7 supply will these product supports for that
"You can't cook on it" Tim, what if I overclock it, can I cook my eggs then?
Yes, at least eggs
Amazing video Tim, i'm deploying something like this in my homelab, but im currently worried about my OS drive(consumer SSD - a good 300TBW drive-), my mini PC/router would be part of my cluster but without HA, i think proxmox will log a lot of info of the servers talking to each other(correct me if i'm wrong) and possibly kill the drive in a couple of months (and so .. kill my VMs with it), what do you think? (Tim or the commets xdd)
Proxmox uses the tools for managing logs built into systemd, and those have automatic log rotation out of the box. Unless you alter default behavior or have some critical issue spamming syslog, you should not runt into supermassive log files. I can speak from experience having proxmox running on a server from a 150 GB drive for more than 4 years now.
Unless you're logging *everything* (which would be pretty ridiculous for a homelab setup) the log files shouldn't get ridiculous in size nor have an obscene amount of write cycles. Proxmox being Linux based means you can also change where log files go -- make it write to the otherwise unused eMMC drive, for example (the 8GB or 16GB on these units is plenty of space for many years of typical logs).
I was thinking of getting a Minisforum HM90 as it allows for 2 sata 2.5 and has 2 ethernet ports and a powerful Ryzen 9 CPU. But if you want silent I was also considering getting multiple ZimaBoards which look very very cool. Not sure yet which way I'll end up going
Minisforum ports are one 2.5gb and one 1gb, the 2.5 is not recognized by Pfsence
Verify its Intel NICs. Those work in pfsense. Remember this CPU is pretty good and the iGPU on it makes transcoding work great. Guessing Zimaboards use a less competent CPU?
@@TheBeardedLibertarian thank you, didn't know. I'm not sure if I'll end up using it for pfsense though had been thinking about it. I just like that is has 2 ports for the sake of redundancy. I might just buy both the Zimaboard for pfsense and the minisforum HM90 for Proxmox
@@kenniltv Yea the Zimaboards definitely have a worse CPU, they're just great for clustering or just running something like pfsense.
@@JobStoit miniforum doesn't use intel nics which have a better shot of working at 2.5 gbs with pfsence. This is where opnsence really shines over pfsence. They seem to recognize everything.
Thank you for this video. Do you have any advice for a cheaper fanless machine with 64G RAM? My fanless pc is about 6 years old and heats up a lot now...
Unfortunately I don’t. Small, fan-less, performant, at least 64GB RAM is pretty specific and this is about all there is 😀
Any of these minis have mounting options to install into vehicles?
Hello. Remember to install the latest firmware for the Samsung M2 ssd before you start using them. Samsung has had big problems with some of the latest ones
What if I told you you can also pass through a Coral TPU plugged into the pci-e or nvme slot?
What would be the use cases for Coral TPU in this Protecli setup?
How do you split cores between your vms in proxmox?
I wonder if you can build something similar to this, with almost similar power, efficiency, ports, and size
It would be tricky as its using what amounts to a laptop CPU, so off the shelf parts for desktop, nah we couldn't do it. Convert a laptop, sure, there's a chance.
Next video should be affordable low power server. When I’m not wrong the cheapest offer for a basic model is 600$
For the price, the only thing I would like to see different is a pair of 10gig sfp ports.
Is it using intel i225 or i226 for 2.5gbe? i have 4 port celeron n5105 where im running debian and then openwrt in a virtual machine, but the cpu just tooo slow for some stuff i want to do.
What do the green and yellow lights on the Ethernet ports mean?
Core boot is the best. Even on laptops. So this may be a good starter server, huh?
Timestamp 08:44 - the UBNT Unifi app you move on screen - what app is that? it looks like a dedicated UBNT app?
I always need to take a lie-down after watching any Techno Tim video.
Yeah..well, given the supply situation of the Protecli devices in Europe - I Think I'm gonna do a *hard pass here* =) It's not difficult to use a purpose build mini PC to enrich your network with services that can leverage the two nics, but I have yet to see such a device that is actually worth it's extreme asking price. *_But I appreciate the effort._* Nicely done as well
HELL yeah, wicked Video TIm !!
Hows the reliability? it seems that Lawrence Systems had a some that randomly died.
i5-10210U only has 4 cores which will severely limit the number of VMs you can run at the same time.
Did you try adding a parameter on the docker container for plex like “runtime=NVIDIA”?
Its -runtime=nvidia
My bad… your would be -runtime=intel maybe?? Ive only HW passthrough to plex with nvidia so far
That’s all great, but I’d be paranoid to run all of those servers on a single machine. It begs a question - what do you do if this box failed?!
Spin up your backup proxmox box?
@@Dante-420 I think this may help, but imho it’s crazy to run a router as a VM from reliability standpoint. I pass
Is it an overkill to use it as a silent HTPC/everyday PC (no gaming) running Linux Mint? what would you advise instead?
If you're using all of that then the CPU on a 6 port model will definitely do the trick. The issues I would see is that you probably won't need more than one Ethernet port for a machine like that, so if you can find a similarly spec'd machine with less networking at a lower price point, that would probably be a better use of money!
You could totoally sell these all loaded up and ready to go.
And idea how get more network interfaces on am intel nuc?
I have one, not super impressed with it's VPN throughput, I wouldn't have pushed it as far as you did...