2018 BMW 530e test: how fast petrol engine can charge the battery and what is fuel consumption? 4K
2020 ж. 13 Қар.
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This is real world test of BMW 530e plug-in hybrid. This time I'm testing how quickly you can charge battery using petrol engine and what is fuel consumption in 2 separate rides: 1st one is charging battery and after going electric, 2nd always driving on AUTO eDrive mode (hybrid).
Also adding link to my other video if you want to see difference on power output in different driving modes: • 2018 BMW 530e power ou...
Great breakdown of the costs 👏 Bravo
Interestingly this was the only place in the internet where I could find this information. Thanks!
Congratulations for this video! Well explained! 🙏
Great inside, I've been looking for this for ages 👌
Just got one a few days ago, thanks for all these videos Romas, very informative.
I'm looking at one but i can't decide between 540i or the 530e I'm looking to tune it to
How is it? What kind of mpg are you getting on each mode?
Great job I was looking for this kind of video
Fantastic job, really well done! And not easy to explain so clearly in a 2nd language - really impressive. I look forward to seeing more of your clear and scientifically structured videos.
Thanks for your support;) Will do more definetely;)
Simple & good video thank you 😊👍
Well done mate! Great video and effort.
Glad you enjoyed it
Fantastic Job, Thanks for experiment 👏🏻
Really interesting test. Thank you.
Great insights, thanks 🙏
Brilliant stuff
Thank you! that’s exactly what I needed to know
I’m glad it was useful;)
Thank You 🙏🏻 good video
Thank you for this video.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video. Thanks a lot.
Awesome video! Great info! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
@@RomasLTU1 Your video was VERY helpful and helped me with my final decision. Final result: Last week I bought the 2018 BMW 530e. 👍 Another happy BMW plug-in driver in Seattle, WA 😀
@@jacekcameron-rulkowski2859 thanks good to know and very happy it was helpful:) , Hope you will enjoy this car:)
Thank you for doing this, I’d also wondered what charging from the engine cost. We absolutely love our 530e. We traded in my wife’s 2014 Mercedes E350. That was a gorgeous car, but Mercedes lost out on making another sale to us because they don’t sell the hybrid versions of the E in the United States. When I eventually replace our BMW X1 I will want to get a plug-in hybrid vehicle as well. The only thing I would change on our 530e is that ours has the Performance option with the blacked-out grill and 19” Goodyear F1 summer performance tires. Nobody is going to take a 2000kg hybrid luxury car out to track day, but I suppose the BMW brand has to reflexively offer sporting options anyway. There is a big demand for the 530e and there were very few available in the Southern California so this was the only one in stock with the color and other options we wanted. Luckily in drought California all-season tires aren’t really a handicap; you can count on your fingers the number of days in a year you drive on wet pavement,
I drive this car since 2018 and still enjoy it. Also in our country we are alowed to drive public transport lanes with plug-in hybrids, which is huge benefit while driving in traffic;)
Very instructive! Thank you! One thing could be good to know, the same travel with conservative battery, I mean you start with, for example 60% battery and drive with "battery control"60%, for knowing the real difference of consumption between charge mode and "hybrid mode without consumption of the battery energy". That's in order to know the real additional consumption of the mode charge. Then we can compare, 1 liter of petrol is+/- 10kWh, and where I live (Belgium), 1kWh is 0.25€. Thank you for your video! 👍🙏..!
There is my other video about driving in different modes and comparing consumption. You can take a look;)
Very nice and useful video!
Thanks!
first good explanations , thank you
Great video. I’ve just bought a 530e and charge it every day and average consumption is showing 90mpg but it seems it’s stuck on that.
Great Video.
Nice video. Very well described. I am about to purchase a 530e and I am running out of YT videos to watch :)
Did you buy one?
hahaha me too I can't find different video anymore haha
@@randomlee1993 , yeah. Bought one second hand. It runs great !
Can I ask how much miles it had when you bought it?@@mirceabadarau8110
@@mirceabadarau8110 How has the reliability been so far? It's been 3 years I see, so have you encountered any problems and what is servicing it like?
Great job, if you would pls just mute the music .... it makes it difficult to understand the narration. Peace
Do you know if you can upgrade the battery to the newer 12kw one from newer models? I know they are the same size. With the 12kw battery you should get around 60km on electric only
Awesome! Can't wait to get my 330e (Y2016) and do similar test :)
Share your results;)
very useful video
Thanks!
Bravo Romas!!! Excellent job! Can you tell me, why for you it is twice cheaper from socket? I have the same car, petrol here is 1,37€. And 1kwt from the soket is 0,3€, in may we wait for 0,37((((. Can you calculate for me which way is better for me with this pricing? Thank you vvery much once more!!!!
Geras video
Great video. Thank you! Is this the 9 KWH battery?
Thanks! Yes 9,2 kwh battery - older one. I think newer has 12 or smth like that;)
Thanks
You are welcome:)
thanks for the video it helps a lot to understand better. So if I understand correctly, if I have to do short distance around town, I put it on full battery mode. but if I plan to do a long distance on the highway like 150km, I leave it in hybrid mode and this is how I am going to get the best potential? thanks a lot
Yes, this is the way I do. If I expect to reach destination only on electricity, I use max edrive mode. If not I leave on auto.
so i can drive with a empty batteri and the consum is by 5,6 L ? right
Hey I just bought 2022 530e on 51.000 km mileage. is it okay? and What I need to do when car slept 3 month. Any advices ?
I have same car just model 2021 i drive pure petrol when in highway and swith to hybrid in town . By turning gear shifter to maual car dont use any battery energy this way u can save the battery for short trips
Hello Romas LTU, You have the yellow or orange little car on your dashbord, can you please tell me if that is a problem ?
Hi, it indicates, that I need to book service appointment for regular maitenance soon. While starting a car it shows exactly how many kilometers till regular service appointment.
Maybe one day show us how for you can get with a 1 full tank of gas, driving in petrol to charge and then switching to electric whenever its full.
I just got one of these. The plug that came with mine is the one for charging from a wall socket. Does BMW not come with the EV charging point cables? I am assuming I have to buy my own?
I got regular wall socket charger and type2 cable to charge at the station. Also I bought one more wall charger, which I leave at home in order not to pack it every day;)
Informative, and thank you. In your experience, how good is the engine, any reliability issue? In one if your responses, you said you've not changed discs etc after 90k miles?
I have driven 90k km (56k miles). Didint had any engine issues, just they have change automatic front ventilation grid as it was a problem that engine was not cooling properly. Regarding disk havent changed yet;) also brake pads. Perhaps due to regenerative braking, which is not using physical disk/pad brake.
@@RomasLTU1 Thank you, that is so good that you have not changed discs/pads in 56k miles, and no engine issues. Read some where about the grill problem yoi experienced, which normarlly lead to heating problem. Do you know if it is the G01 engine that is in your car? Same as 2 ltr 4 cyclinder in the x3 plug in hybrid electric vehicle 2020 model.
@@jpt757 i’m not sure, which engine. But I would say same;) 2 liter, 184 hp.
@@RomasLTU1 Love the video thank you! Have you changed any battery cells yet? Is the ventilation grid the only problem you had so far? I am considering buying one, thank you!
@@Badabiiiing havent changed battery cells, havent noticed degradation. Perhaps it is some, but that is not noticible. Apart grid I havent changed/repared anything yet. Still have extended waranty for 1 additional year;) even brake pads I havent changed yet (~90k km now).
Hi, do you feel when the gearbox shifts from 1->2 (slow acceleration- around 10% pedal press), at around 9*C outside temperature? Only on electric first then and after the ICE is at operating temperature. Thanks
Just tried at -2C. On electric I can feel the shift on cold car. On warm car after some time of dring I do not feel noticible shift neither on ICE nor on electric.
@@RomasLTU1 Ok, thank you. I notice the gear shit, even after the engine is warm, just a little, and only sometimes. I think it needs some oil change.
For the second experiment, when starting, do you have electricity charged or was it completely empty. When it is empty, I noticed that in auto edrive it is swiching back and forth from electricity to fuel many times and that way I would expect more comsumption than 5.6lt. What is your opinion here?
For second experiment it was not charged. I cant say that battery was completely empty as in is usually never fully empty under normal conditions, because system always keeps a bit and collect energey while regenerative braking. During second experiment I had this minimum battery (1km) and car was warm so this is realistic consumption on low speed (90km/h). First experiment consumption was much higher as car was always using extra petrol to charge the battery (not only from regenerative braking, but also from engine). It very mich depends on speed and either you have regenerative braking. E.g. on highway (130km/h) you would get higher consumption as during such rides usually you have much less regenerative power in proportion to high consumption due to high speed.
I also did some calculations and i get 7,72L on 100km and that’s pretty good for me cuz the car has 2000kg and 245hp
this video is great, just need one info please: when you drive only on bat. mode for aprox. 25km and you discharge your bat. - are you able to continue drive only on petrol mode with fuel con. 5-6 lit. or you must drive hyb. mode with charging battery again with fuel con. 10-12 lit. ?
After your battery is empty you can drive on one of 2 modes: 1. Hybrid (5-6 lit.) or 2. Battery control, which charge battery all the time till the set value (target battery charge state can be changed from 10% to 100%). Hybrid mode will charge battery automatically till 1km electric range for boost or low speed electric drive and further will go on hybrid.
ok, so what is the benefit if I choose bat. control mode and drive 30 min. with 12 lit. fuel con. to charge bat. to 100% ? hmm...
@@milansarenac3335 economicaly I do not see benefit;) I think one of the benefits is that in some countries you can enter zero emission zones on pure electric, so you can charge in advance and enter the zone on pure electric. This is not a case in my country. Another benefit is that if battery is charged you can precondition the car. In winter it is very usefull as all ice and snow melts;) In summer you sit into cool car;)
@@RomasLTU1 understand, I'm grateful ;)
@@milansarenac3335 the benefit is Hybrid is the efficient way to drive, it will decide when to go into electric mode or gas. You would want to change to battery control if battery is very low and you're on hwy (where it's going to be efficient anyway) and you know you're going to go back to stop and go traffic, you would have a full battery to go back to full electric.
Hi Romas! thx for the video, can you tell me if you fully charge your battery and go for a trip for example 400km in autoedrive, how the batterywill manifest on this range, and what consumption aproximately? Thx
Hi, in this case I drive in autoedrive, while driving on high speed I think battery is used to support engine at low acceleration periods also battery is used for other electricity needs. Ussualy my battery is empty after 150-200km while driving at 140-150km/h speed. Consumption is ~7 l/100km on 300km drive. While we where driving 2000km to allps without charge ans with roofbox, it was ~9 l/100km.
@@RomasLTU1 Thank you!
@@RomasLTU1 what would be that in mpg
Is it possible to drive on Auto e drive (Hybrid driving) without any electric miles. For example if I have runout of electric battery mileage can I still drive on auto e drive to get decent mpg ?
Yes, you wil regenerate while braking and will use this electricity. The car will act as standard hybrid;)
Which is better 520 xdrive 2.0d or 530e 2.0 petrol in running cost please help
In Lithuania I think 530e. Fuel cost is more or less same, on diesel I had a lot repairs like adblue system, some components due to xdrive and etc. Also regular service is cheaper for 530e. And I havent changed yet disks and brake pads yet (90k km) because of regen braking.
so what mode the regen breaking, can you not set to to only chage when your breaking and not use the perol enginer to much to recarge all the time, 42 MG see fairly poor. To charge this car in the UK with current electicity prices would be 9KW/h to full it currently £0.69 per KW/H so it costs £3.66 in electricity , or the same as 3 Litres of fuel. so here it costs you over 3 litres of equivelent petrol in electricity charges. I am stugging to see the cost saving for the EV part what am I missing to its benefit.
Yes it regens electricity in all modes while breaking. In my part of the world electricity costs 0.28 EUR per kwh and petrol 1.6 EUR per liter. So we still have good BC for EVs;)
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what is your opinion now? with the expensive electricity and fuel prices?
In my part pf the world both - electricity and fuel is expensive;) But in general electric motors are much more effective (to simplify, one of examples: petrol enegine a lot of energy goes as heat waste). In my opinion, as more electric as better;)
That’s a fantastic video, but i tell u something, the 530e engine is the same engine as 520i g30 right? Then we all know the 520i eats around 5.4l/100km combined so if u drive it on charge mode there no way that 530e eats 10l/100km, if we give also a few liters extra for extra car weight and charging process also would not be 10l/100km.
5.4 is totaly unrealiatic in my driving environment and style. 5.4 very theoretical or hypermiling driving style;)
I am confused. I don't understand if you can charge it by gas engine or not. I jave ford fusion energy plug in hybrid. But I can't full charge it by gas engine.
Yes, you can charge BMW fully by petrol engine. Just perhaps there is no economical reason to do that as you use petrol to charge battery and later use battery to turn wheels. Why not directly turn wheels by petrol and aboid some energy losses.
Do you know if 225xe works similarily with this car ?
I think yes, the principle of those cars is similar.;)
Hello. I just wonder that if you use the car without charge or electric. Only gas engine. What would be the consumption?
Hi, sometimes I use it that way. As an example today was driving 25 km in a city, the consumption was 7,8 l/100km. I would say on petrol only it works as a regular 2l petrol hybrid engine.
@@RomasLTU1 what would be in mpg?
I know this video is old, but hopefully you will catch my question :) I am looking to buy a 2018 530e myself, and i have never owned a hybrid before. So I have a question which might have an obvious answer but i dont know.. When I am going to pick up this car, I will have to drive a long way to get home, lets say 1000-1500km across the country. How does the milage do on roadtrips like this? Seeing as the pure electric range is only around 20-30km. Would my best bet be to drive on auto eDrive the whole way? And how will the car/battery act? Will it eventually drain itself to 0-1km electric range and stay there the whole rest of the drive, charging and using power while in hybrid mode?
It will act as regular (not plug-in) hybrid. Actually I think you can simply compare it to 2l petrol car. At some point battery will drain to 0-1km of range and car will go on petrol, will regenerate at braking and will drive electric on slow speed (or comsume electrocity for climate). So my assumption is that your fuel consumption will be 7-9 l/100km depending on driving speed;)
@@RomasLTU1 Alright mate thanks for the quick reply! And according to your video, there is no reason to try to quickly charge the EV battery at a supercharger for example, as its charging speed is capped, right?
@@isLopin correct:) Fastest you can charge the batery is 2,5 hours, so you can charge just if you have chance while haveing linch or smth.;)
@@RomasLTU1 Understood, thanks again! Your videos on the 530e have been very interesting
Hi, is the battery also charging in auto edrive mode? Let's say when u are on the motorway..
Only when you are braking or at least not accelerating. Ir works as regular hybrid on auto on highway. There is no sence perhaps to charge battery from engine (higher consumption) and later use same energy for driving due to energy losses.
@@RomasLTU1 Thank you, I agree with you on that, but I didn't know it works as a regular hybrid on auto edrive mode. It's good to know.
I am looking at useful videos like this as I am really panicking to pay deposit for this car. I seen that you didn't exceeded speed limits. How is she acting on hybrid mode but drive 130-140km / h on motorway? I was thinking as you demonstrated hybrid mode is best. I need to drive in work 80km round trip mostly motorway for work. You think would I get around 6L-7L / 100 on hybrid on this? I also drive a bit ...Sport/Eco:).
Hi, I would say driving 130-140 it should consume ~7 l/100km. While driving 150 it will take ~7.7 l/100km. Also once I was driving with fully loaded car, 4 persons and roof box from Lithuania to Austria (including German no limit speed zones;)) it was 8.8 l/km. My total consumption over 2 years is 5,4 l/100km this includes ~30% electric drive, other part of kilometers mostly is on highways at 140-150.
@@RomasLTU1 Brilliant car then. My previous 530D GT had 8L / Ireland - Romania Round trip fully packed 6500km. My worry is I will be disappointed on longer journeys. I don't want to drive for free, but as well don't want to have 11-12 fuel consumption so wanted to make sure. Thank you. It was very helpful
@@RomasLTU1 For such a big car and plenty of power If I get 5.5-6 average it's more than excellent
@@B7BREMAPPING I previously had 520d, so I would not say this consuming more. You can get 11-12, but this is only if you would drive short distance on petrol only and cold engine. Or totally sports mode with very high RPM. For road trips its really good car. But take a look to my other video about boot space, it is smaller than regular BMW5. Initially I thought this might be an issue, but for our 4 person family this is usually not a case. The only case I need extra space, while bringing bikes or ski/snowboard equipment, but then I put those things on the roof.
@@RomasLTU1 Yes. Well I can't have them all to be honest. I like driving faster, but not in an idiot way with high Rpm. Just not using cruise control in 100km/h. So normal way, decent BMW way :). I really love the interior. We need to travel with the dog, but buying an x5 just for 1 trip a year not worth it. Better having a bit of everything. I am actually looking now at your videos
one thing you did not do to just drive on petrol, I have heard it gives around 50mpg, is that right?
My total average is 44mpg, but only on petrol it would be around 34 if you drive moderate;)
What about fuel economy on long trip, I gues on 120km/h ~ 7-8l/100km ?
Hi, as regular 2.0 petrol. 120km/h you will fit in 7-8;)
But the car ise more heavier than a regular 2.0 engine so the consumption would be more IMO considering that it would not use electricity at that speed.
Hi! Great video thank you! Question, I just bought a 530e. How long is one full charge supposed to last while using eco pro and auto e drive?
It depends…;) What eco pro does: it basicaly switch on some car functions to more economical mode (e.g. Climate control intensity or accelerator sensitivity) also it turns on coasting (while you drive on higher speed and take off your foot from the accelerator it just does not use regenerative braking, but rolls); What auto e drive mainly does: till 90km/h speed and till 40% of accelerator press it use electric mode only. So answering to your question: if you will drive up to 90 km/h and you will not press accelerator hard it will act more or less same as max edrive, so 30-40km in summer conditions on flat road. But if you will go to highway perhaps the car will use more petrol engine and electricity will be consumed mostly for climate or hard acelerations. In those conditions sometimes I drive 150 km and still have some battery;)
Thank you so much for your response! So is it better to use comfort mode with Auto E Drive then? In your opinion, what’s the best mode to keep it on to get the best miles or kilometers per gallon/liter? Thank you for your time!
My 2021 530e xdrive does up to 110kmh in hybrid mode but we have some hills and mountains. so i basically never use eco pro.
so its costs you 0,3liter more in 100km iff you charge with petrol?
Correct
I just bought a car. Do you know how i can see my digital speedometer ? If all 530e's has one..thx
I think it shows only in sports mode, which awitch is near gear shifter;)
@@RomasLTU1 i will try and see that. strange that you can only see in sports mode though. Thanks :d
Hello, does only regen brakes charges the battery? If yes, how much time does it take?
I think rengen braking + engine in general. In this combination it takes ~30 min to charge full;)
@@RomasLTU1 Can you tell me please the range in hybrid mode? (engine + electric)
@@haydarduzgun7881 500-600 km depending on driving style and conditions;)
You can also press the battery charge button while going downhill and your fuel consumption will not take a big hit so will charge faster then just relying on break regen
Have you had any serious issues with the car while owning it? Thanks
Not yet, it is 3,5 years old, 80k km;)
@@RomasLTU1 thanks!
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Sorry but i didn't get it . Whay is the final result.. my English also isn't enough good Ok +10 L/100 to charge the battery, second test twice less + 5 L/ 100 .. But after that i lost the logic of the test . i saw 2 more times the end to try understand but .. i cant get it 41 + 30 .. ??? And after that is inaudible and understandable for me
Hi, will try to explain: 1st option: I drove in auto e drive mode (hybrid mode) and consumption was 5,6 l/100km. Distance was 41km 2nd option: I drove same 41 km in battery control mode, which means that engine is charging battery and consumption was 10,4 l/100km. After this ride I had full battery and that means I would be able to drive 30 more km only in electricity, which I have charged from petrol engine. So theoreticaly if I would continue driving those 30 km on electricity only, the consumtion would be 41 km 10,4 l/100km and the remaining 30 km - 0,0l/100km. Total 71 km and average consumption 6 l/100km. In comparison to option 1 it would be 5,6 l/100km for same distance. So conclusion is that there is no economical sence to charge battery and after that drive on electric only, because if you drive on auto consumprion is lower.
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Have you tried to charge your car in sport ?
Yes, it seems that it charge a but faster in a city as start/stop is not working. But if you floor the accelerator it use electric power for e boost.
Which mode do you suggest. ?
Actualy I’m not charging from engine as I have calculateted that there is no business case for that;) There is my other video about that. Daily I drive either autoedrive for longer distance or maxedrive if I’m sure I’ll reach destination on electric. Sometimes sport mode if I put aside sustainability aspect and want to play a bit with the car;)
Only 42 mpg in hybrid?! Thats horrible 😢..
how do you get 94mpg? mine never goes past 30mpg & i never put foot down!
This is just because the distance was only 40km and I have statted with full battery. Perhaps if I would drive longer where battery is already discharged, I would get something closer to your figure;)
On my 32 mile mixed driving commute I can regularly get 70-90 mpg from a fully charged battery (2021 530e MSport Pro)
I get 90 mpg after only owning it a few days … won’t get this however if driving extended periods without energy in the battery. Got 30 miles out of my 330e today solely out of better.
it’s just that if we are talking about a hybrid and their marketers promise some kind of fabulous minimum consumption, 2.5 liters/100 km, but in the end this is not the case, as soon as your battery runs out your consumption will be 10 liters plus per 100 km.. and it will run out very quickly in 15 minutes, a standard gasoline engine is absolutely not suitable for such a heavy car, it’s wimpy as a vegetable, so the first thing you need to do is remove all these restrictions, make Stage one, which are strangling the engine, and make it at least 350 horsepower so that this car drives and does something out of itself I imagined that the maximum range on a full battery was that I could survive in ideal conditions of 22 km. But this is complete nonsense, who needs such a car for a pensioner who travels from home to buy bread from the store and back? If we approach the supposed environmental friendliness of this car, then in comparison with other modern even diesel cars are not so environmentally friendly, if we talk about the environment, well, let's ban Formula 1, because they have completely different emissions, But no, you can make colossal money from this, let's ban all rally cars, get rid of ships -airplanes, we will also close these factories where these cars are assembled using dirty energy, well, everyone understands that this is complete nonsense, electric cars are still charged from a power plant that uses the same gas, oil and the same fuel oil, and coal. .. no one says that in 3-5 years, no matter the years, the battery will need to be disposed of, which is not the most useful thing in terms of the environment, but quite the opposite, super toxic.. any modern Chinese car of this class will tear to rags any European car in terms of finishing materials technology and the like, plus it will cost half as much or even more than this BMW.. I think the future belongs to the Chinese solution, when the diesel-gasoline engine works as a generator, the car runs on electricity with a normal range, with normal power +500 horsepower with the ability to travel 1000+ km. on one charge or filling the tank, while these BMWs are very crude, unfinished and do not deserve special attention.. but we are all human, so we are ready to pay money only for the brand.. I myself drive such a car, I bought it new in 2020 and I have absolutely no such enthusiasm, a small tank of 40 liters that allows you to travel only 500 km But this is nonsense, the trunk is very small so you have to go to the store twice, assembly and materials leave much to be desired, the declared Napa leather after 40,000 km of use looks like like this car is already 20 years old, BMW are you serious? Because of the ventilation of the front wings, the car is always covered in dirt, when the engine is running, only the left muffler works. Was it really difficult to weld two pipes together so that it wouldn’t look so bad?
Petrol engine voltage ruins the battery. Try to avoid
Good to know, thanks!
Galvoju pirkti Tesla 3 ar Bmw 320e. Matau kad abi turite, ka pats patartumete. Neturiu prie namu stoteles. Naudociausi miesto
Jeigu namuose arba darbe neturi stoteles, tai tada manau Tesla bus vargas. Uzknis vazineti krauti. Pas mane 530e, tai su juo gali vaziuoti kaip hibridu, bet jeigu neturi kur krauti, tai irgi nera prasmes. Plug-in ilgai krauna, tai nebent kol parduotuvej busi kazkiek pakrausi, bet siaip manau bus hemorojus su krovimu;) Beje, jei idomu, siuo metu savo 530e parduotu;)
What a stupid car. Using petrol to charge batteri, how mental can it be.
I think the purpose of that is to charge before zero emission zones in a city. Also remote pre-heating works only on battery, so I use that in winter if I leave car in a place without charging point;)