Reacting To “45% Of Women Will Be Single & Childless By 2030”
2024 ж. 20 Мам.
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Chris and William Costello discuss why so many women are choosing careers over family. Is it accurate that 45% of prime working age women will be single and childless by 2030? What is the danger of women struggling to find a mate? Is there a mating crisis in the current dating market? Is it Tinder’s fault?
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This episode looks so interesting, can't wait, thanks Chris!
Have you interviewed Louise Perry?
(Slap!) "No SIMPing.Move alnog,sir."
By my part i think all that stuff is just semi-organic. Why push when one can direct, spend minimal effort, for maximum effect by guiding a desirable path, and silencing undesirable paths And no one will be sure if you are doing something or not. You hide in the motion while stopping counter motions. That is how you influence the path of civilization.
Reminds me of a funny joke about Beyonce being up on stage singing "all the single ladies" then she goes home to her husband and leaves all the lonely girls dancing in a circle pretending to be happy
Hilarious
Agreed.
RIP Kevin Samuels. A great man.
Single ladies want to be in relationships and married women wish they could experience the burdenlessness of singlehood again. The grass is always greener on the other side.
Perfectly put 👌
I’m a stay at home mom and I think it’s pretty amazing. Sure there are days where you’re surviving to the next, but most days are fun and enjoyable. I do think the women who chooses a career over building a family will regret it. As an employee you’re replaceable at the end of the day, but as a mother there is no one that can take ever your place.
Well said. Much respect.
This is very true, often childless women can be extremely spiteful to women who are mothers in the workplace.
But if you don't have a job you can't consoom as much product as possible
It's nice that you have the luxury of being "a stay at home mom". Not everyone does. Would everything be just as "amazing" if you had to add in the 40 hour work week too?
No one that can take you place until he decides to leave you for a 20 year old and she's your babies new step mom. Any man of means always has some gals ready to see if they can get him to cheat on his wife. You just have to hope he doesn't pull a Chris Watts on you but even if he doesn't sending your babies to meet step mama so she can share in the joy that your kids bring is torture enough.
I'm a man who doesn't want children, so I don't have a problem if women are deciding that they don't want children as well.
Exactly. Women deciding to be single and child-free is the best option at times.
Smart. You are not the only man to feel this way and there are plenty of women for you out there
@Sae15w Ok and? I'm dead, so I can't use it anymore. Let the government have it.
@Sae15w There is this thing called estate planning where you direct where your assets are t go and for what purpose. A real legacy that can effect billions of people for generations. I know ZERO about Andrew Carnegie's descendant's but we all know about Carnegie Hall.
Exactly. If you wanna have kids have them, if you don't then don't. But why shit on people just cuz they want something different than you in life.
Some men and women just don't want to get married and/or have kids. It's not a crime. Some people don't want the responsibility and stress of being a parent. Those people are absolutely right not to have kids, because there's no reason to bring another life into this world knowing you don't want the experience.
They lie to themselves. Everybody wants children, some people make it other don't. Natural selection.
That just prove the point that something ill is happening to our economy for many people to think like that.
@@kiwiking6275 its not necessarily about the economy. People who actually want to be parents will put off children untl they are better able to financially provide for them. But then you have people who are wealthy enough to afford kids and still simply do NOT wish to be parents. Every human being on earth does not desire the experience of raising children.
@@janedo-re-mi2738 I agree with you, and it is one of the reasons. What I was just saying is about the effects of economy based on a statistics showing the trajectory of our situation. We can't deny that our storage of energy is through money. Which is part of economy and every individual. It's too much info so I'm not gonna dive into into it deeply. But its just fascinating.
@@janedo-re-mi2738 It's a strange thing that we consider ourselves to be too poor to have kids in 2022. Do you think you had it worse than your grandparents, or their grandparents before that? It's not financial poverty that we face, it's the poverty of purpose.
The next few years are going to be weird. Only certain groups have children. There will be a ton of older men who have no relationship experience, and a ton of older women who have too much sexual experience. This all undoubtedly will add to America’s already high depression problem.
Nah, cultures that don't reproduce did out and get replaced by those who do. It's only the white cultures that have these doubts. Others have 4-6 kids even if they can't feed them. In 30 years you'll have a bunch of old lonely white people and exploding societies of other ethnicities who dont give a f about them.
Which is stupid to me. If you can get a passport you should be in Philippines right now getting a wife. Or Thailand. The swedes are doing it, there's literally entire Thai towns in rural sweden now where all the blue collar Swedish men live lol
@@ibizawavey8630 yea, Thai women aren’t that attractive. I don’t want to travel across the world just to find a wife lmao. There’s nothing to gain from marrying someone, but you stand to lose everything, possibly.
@@ibizawavey8630 The idea is tempting but this is just passing the problem to the Philippino men. They are human too.
Nope. WWIII will happen first.
Husbands tend to die before wives though, and children typically don't look after their parents in old age, so I think a lot of women now see motherhood as a lot of work for little reward - they wonder 'what's the point?' if they'll end up alone anyway.
@@rysloan my parents did everything for their kids and my sister used to hit my mom hard on her head while feeding her when my mom had dementia
Lack of child rearing skills. Not something that has been taught .
@@rysloan That's all fun and games until the bills arrive and you can't pay them because you're a stay at home parent.
@@rysloan there is a balance though. You don't want all of these single moms treating their kids as son husband's which definitely happens in my community
I have it on good authority that most people find it incredibly difficult to empathize with one's future aged self, so I am reasonably certain that the overwhelming majority of people who forego the biological imperative of reproduction aren't doing so out of a desire to issue a preemptive F.U. That same lack-of-empathy for one's future self is also responsible for poor health decisions (smoking) and poor financial decisions (no savings). Most Americans care so little about the well-being of their future selves that they don't even have $500 set aside in case their car breaks down. It's solipsism, egocentrism, self-absorption and societal validation that is driving this trend.
It's funny how I only know of single women being happy and single men being miserable.
Ironic when women are the #1 consumers of anti depressants.
Anecdotal experiences. And do these "happy" single women tell you if they're on anti-depressants?
I was married for 20 years and raised a stepson. I lost out on my individuality and am chasing it now in my 40s. Marriage keeps you busy but it doesn't guarantee a future or retirement. Thank God I am having a 2nd chance at life😁
Good luck with that BS! Crying at night must be normal for you! No second chance is possible! Pre-25+ is a one-time thing that you waisted!
Not true, as long as she has life in her body, her mobility, and independence there's still an opportunity to do whatever she wants. Sure it's easier when you're younger, but 40 does not equal death.
@@Lioness_Es It just = to no commitment from the men that you want, and you will most likely end up with a cat for love and crying yourself to sleep! Have fun with that pipe dream!
Not having your own kid must great when other happy women are all talking about their sons and daughters being proud of them!
@@stevesmentkowski7789Said by an arse, lol. You. you are the nearsighted arse 😂😂😂
I’m a 26 year old male and became a father “before I was ready” at 19. Next thing I know, I tripled my income, doing far better in my career, fixed my health massively, and live a comfortable life with my family. My circle of relationships has gotten smaller over the years, but the relationships I do have are much stronger and more meaningful. Having a family and kids is one of the best ways to become more focused in life and grow. Man wasn’t designed for the modern ideal, and it’s clear to me why so many people are depressed. Opting out of families and the lack of meaning in society today are undoubtedly correlated.
Similar experience here 👍
You are absolutely correct
That is very mature of you, unfortunately many men do not grow up that easily
@@MegaWeronika21 I think it's rude of you to assume it was easy. He had a child at 20. I don't think anyone would say he grew up easy, and in some senses he was lucky that the woman he knocked up wasn't a wrongun cause as we all know she could have thoroughly ruined everyone's life and been nothing but supported by the state.
@@TheAcad3mic you accuse someone of being presumptuous/rude while supporting that accusation with the presumption that ease doesn't apply and support the presumption that ease doesn't apply with a claim that he got lucky. Seems like you're confused about the point you're trying to make.
Most people who settle in their 20s are divorced and single parents in their 30s. It’s children who suffer the most in broken homes. So it’s better for people to focus on themselves not only financially but emotionally/spiritually. There’s no need to rush marriage and children. Take your time.
This idea that everything happens all by yourself in isolation is silly. Your growth depends on others as does theirs.
The "take your time" applies more to men, since we take the lesser burden of childbirth. If you're a woman who desires a high-end career chances are high you'd push yourself to infertility.
@@hamzamahmood9565 sperm quality also goes down as you enter 40s. So unless you freeze some in your early 20s there is that. Then are you a high value man with a good social network that you cultivated, generally most men do not make efforts in this area and suffer.
@@hamzamahmood9565 infertility can be at any age… I’ve had friends in their 20s who were having trouble conceiving. But I’ve also known women in my family that gave birth in their 40s. Not everyone is meant to have children, that’s gods will. Mostly poor religious 3rd world countries try to manipulate women with fear and into thinking they are invaluable without children.
@@nauxsi It's not a drastic steep I'm quality the way you think it is, quit saying it's the same as women losing their eggs because it's really not. Women are FAR more impacted than men with losing fertility. Men will produce sperm until the day they die, 60-70 year old men can have children no problem. Sure it might take a few sex sessions but it's going to happen. Women don't operate on the same rules.
Everyone woman has her reason for either having children or not having them. Mine is that I wanted to be married first, then have a child, but didn't luck out in love. I also was not financially secure during my reproductive years. I find it disturbing that many people find it okay to lower your standards whether in dating/marriage partners, financial ability, etc. just to have a baby. I may lament not having a child of my own, but I do not regret my choice to not bring a child into a loveless or abusive marriage or single parent household just to satisfy my biological clock.
wise! there are so many women who make the mistake of "following the crowd" and not properly vetting their partner before having multiple kids...it only ends in disaster for everyone and the entire family loses.
It's funny how the "men" are silent on this post. The post that is most "logical" and should appeal to that aspect of who they claim they are, but no! They go around trolling on all the other nonsensical comments instead of giving you props and honorable mentions! At this rate, especially with this kind of video as confirmation, I think most men just see women and children as a means to an end; women are conquests and children are their financial-fail plan. That's the mind of a man for you; nothing logical about that. And it's wonderful you weren't trapped with any of them, for they only bring chaos and problems into the lives of women and children.
@@leaellas8400 YES! This is sad, but it is the truth for a lot of men i do believe. I thank God EVERYDAY that i never fell for that trap. Having kids with the wrong person is a LIFE sentence...i wish more ladies realized this and utilized more critical thought when it comes to family planning. I feel bad for these dudes who have that mindset...majority of them who do are going to be VERY disappointed when they are in the latter years of their life and those kids don't "take care of" them, but put them in a retirement home, take charge of their assets, and never visit. This i know because i worked many years in healthcare in nursing homes and i saw it every single day!
@@EadsB7002 Wow, that's sad & should be what they focus on instead of women. They guilt trip women because they don't want to do the inner work. For me, I'm 28 years old, and even though I desire a family, I realize that I'm not missing out on anything when I realize the true nature of men; they are absolutely selfish in every single way possible. For the very few who have a genuine tendency to love and serve others they "lead" is an rare exception, rather than a rule. I recently came to the realization that the world continue to produce and train women to be wives for a world filled with improper males - men lacking in every capacity, including being unfit to be husbands and fathers. Unfortunately, it has always been this way, for the most part, but it's just more obvious in today's society due to social media. The generally overlooked unpleasant actions of men in relational dynamics is a huge detriment to society, and I will not partake in it. Men are stubborn when it comes to relational improvement, and this is the crossroads we are at. I would rather die than be with a man unworthy of me. If a man cannot be of upstanding character, integrity, trustworthy, and intentional about his actions, I want nothing of him. I would rather not entertain any man since nothing is guaranteed. Plus, if he does the unthinkable, I don't want to go to spend life in prison over a bag of bones. A vibrator produces the same results a man may not be able to produce in a woman anyway!
@@EadsB7002 Why do you feel bad for them? They MADE A LIFETIME OF DECISIONS AND CHOSE to respond to every situation a certain way, so they are dealing with the long term consequences of their behavior. They had MANY CHANCES to turn that around and build rapport and meaningful connection with their children over a lifetime prior to their decline, but they chose not to. Why should you now feel sorry for them? Oh please! Men do not have empathy for women in their situation if they treat us the way they do ... So please don't create a pity party for them and their selfish ways.
Some women want a family life, some don't. Some regret it, some don't. Same with men. As simple as it sounds.
Do the majority of woman want a family or prefer being single? That’s what I’m interested in.
@@juju8470 i think the majority prefers the first one in the long run but that's just my (biased) opinion
@@Faithmay89 I believe that’s the case as well. However, modern problems such as divorce, abuse, financial, mental health, and bad quality people contribute to the low marriage and family rates. That’s my personal theory.
Really a dumb way of looking at it
That's your conclusion? There's individual differences yes, what a marvelous insight
I feel like y’all are understating the role of financial insecurity. I honestly think that’s the predominant reason people aren’t have kids like they used to. Most regular people don’t have high status jobs, and are just trying to make the most of what they have.
Bingo! Europe has suffered from low birthrates for decades because they have high youth unemployment and too much red tape. We're becoming the same as them.
@@TGP109 I agree it's just annoying hearing this mentally. When it demonstrates a lack of empathy or what young people are going through.
I'm 26, and a lot of my friends of the same age, say that they don't want to have kids. Regardless of their career, and despite being in long-term relationships, they will actively choose childlessness. One friend even told me she fears society coercing her into having kids. I think we should be asking why women don't want to have kids, rather than just sh*tting on them for not having them. There are many reasons - and as a woman myself - I understand many of them. For example, health concerns, the fear of pregnancy and childbirth (which a lot of men in the conversation tend to forget or overlook), the child's future, etc. These are all very valid reasons - and they aren't all connected to the sexual revolution. I also think women have always had these fears and concerns surrounding motherhood - the only difference nowadays, is that they are no longer forced upon us.
From a guy's perspective they are pretty much worthless, except for fun.
There is another difference nowadays as well: most of those fears are outdated. These days pregnancies are very safe and maternal mortality rate is less than 20 per 100,000 births in the US. In most of EU it is less than 10. So unless you have some serious illness or elevated risk factors, giving birth is perfectly safe for an average woman (in the West). Also, I think it is perfectly fine to be 26 and have no kids. There is no rush before 30. If a woman aims for 2 kids, it is enough to start around 33 to have two safe births. If you freeze eggs while 30, there is even less of a rush. If birthrates around the planet stay too low for too long, I am afraid that there will come a time when governments 'strongly encourage' women to have kids, if not outright force motherhood upon them with a penalty of heavily increased taxes. That is not a world I wish to witness.
@@tukkajumala Frozen eggs are kind of a meme, and it's not pain-free. Once thawed there is no guarantee you will actually be able to conceive with them. Some wont survive the thawing, others will have defects. If your womb is inhospitable due to age or otherwise, they won't take. A large minority can't even conceive naturally by 30.
financial reasons are the main reason whether its they want to earn more so dont want kids or dont want kids because they dont earn enough. No one is ready when they have kids.
Unfortunately there are only 2 things remaining in life that a modern, feminist, emancipated woman is still able to give to a man: 1.: sex, and 2.: kid(s). So, if a modern woman decides to remain childless, then only sex remains and nothing else. These childless women can give sex to men till they reach 30-35 years of age, and then they become invisible to men. End of story.
Whether married or single, any woman ..... more to the point, ANY PERSON, who wishes to be able to be financially independent should do it. Staying in a relationship or leaving shouldn't have to be related to whether you can do it without being FINANCIALLY decimated. Also, just because the "male ideal" is sometimes sought by women doesn't mean they want to be men or less "female". It's because there are some things about the "male ideal" HISTORICALLY, that are BETTER. I have been asked often why I am in such a male dominated field. ........ because most great jobs ARE male dominated. Doesn't mean I want to be male or less female. What women want isn't always in quick rebellious reaction to what they didn't have before. People /men/women can also be childless, travel alot,, be married, change their minds and decide to have a kid; travel with a kid. Maybe more women than was realized WANTED to travel, have no kids, etc. even till they find the right guy, ...or whatever. What women do/have/choose isn't always just a reaction to what men did/do/had/have.
Or maybe... 1. People are actually more responsible and do not want to create dysfunctional families and be tied to dysfunctional relationships and involve innocent children while at it 2. The economy is kicking everybody's ass and financial, social instability, and black tax today make it that much harder to make having a family a priority 3. Because mental health issues, health issues are ever on the rise, there are people who are genuinely incapable of raising children and having families
These are all good reasons to not have children. However unfortunately that's not (from what I've seen) the reasons why most women aren't, it's because hedonism comes first for them and there are certain cultural and mutual influences that encourage them to believe that men won't reject them for it later on in life (90% do). Society is at present being explicitly geared toward disrespecting the evolutionary needs of men, conflating them with something that is either "out of date" or somehow impinging on the liberty of women. The reality is those so-called retrograde values are the ONLY reason why we have the society we have today, it's all about male pride, entirely, without the preservation of male dignity in a civilized world instead of getting the advancement of civilization, we get mogadishu from blackhawk down. It's that simple, either men have their pride respected in some generally agreed upon way, or men will take it in a very violent and destructive manner irrespective of very much around them. And the reality is women could not do what men have done, and IMO not even when automation takes place will women be able to take the place of men, I see men perceiving the dangers posed by artificial intelligence, I do not see women doing the same, because women are too inclined to take shortcuts that result in authoritarianism and disaster. Men created the american constitution, the single greatest guarantor against tyranny that has ever existed, women could never conceive of such a thing because their nature is collectivist and innately denigrates the individual.
Honestly at least children will be born in stronger families and happier. They just want repeat the same cycle and not involving with toxic men will make society safer
@@hhoneymamii lol it's always about the "toxic men" as if it's not women who almost always initiate divorces so they can take child support
Thank joe brandon
Nope, it's just a bunch of egocentric narcisists that don't want any responsability in their lives, like the majority of the last generations. Simple as that.
Please explain? Why does nobody complain if men in their 40's are single and not have a family? What is so bad about a single woman in her 40's?
The wall. There is going to be a lot of middle aged childless women who missed their chance to have children of their own. Which most will regret.
Gyrocentric society. It's all about women and there issues these days man. Ignore them
I mean, depending on what men you are talking about, someone will complain. If a man is rich and turns down women, you'll get articles complaining about that lol. Like how 40 year old women are complaining about Leonardo DiCaprio only dating 25 year olds
my uncle had his first kid when he was 58, I don't think a women can do that at that age
@@gibememoni that doesn’t make sense. If a woman decides to never have kids and a man decides to never have kids. Why is only the women talked about?
As a man who also doesn't want kids, I find it interesting and kind of annoying the general male perspective on women that don't want kids. Sure, being a boss babe is one motivator, but there are plenty of others which I think dominate. For example, it's almost never brought up that a woman has to be pregnant...not men. This doesn't even get into the during/post pregnancy health problems that can arise. Factor in the brunt of parenting disproportionately falling on women or the rising costs of well...everything, it's not really surprising that in an age where women are less dependent on men, more are choosing to opt out of motherhood. That said, if parenthood is for you, then by all means go for it! I don't care one way or another. I just hate how judgemental we are towards people's decisions regarding kids without even asking "why?"
I love men who think, you are a gem.
Yup; you are a dime a dozen for realizing this 👌 we most definitely are not all 'boss babes', some of us are working because it's literally a human necessity and don't feel the need to fall in line, as it were.
I don't think they were being that judgemental toward the individual women. But is this going to lead to tbe greatest wellbeing for these people l9ng term? I doubt it myself
Well said, some simple and clear points that were missed. The commentary in the video gives off a bias that its almost laughably wrong for a woman to choose not to have children, and that their life will certainly be miserable if they continue on this path. Choices and the results are more nuanced as you've pointed out.
Perfectly said. As a woman, I hate being told I am a certain way and I want certain things because ALL women are the same... No, everyone is different and I personally am not interested in adding motherhood to my resume. Motherhood is job that some women choose and some don't.
famous funny quote: "I left my ex husband and one day I sat down to reminisce and cry about it, but I couldn't think of a single thing he did to miss him for"
How many times will society continue to have this conversation over and over again?.... It all comes down to choice every single time. If you desire marriage and children then having a traditional family is going to make you happy. If you're planning to live a bachelor/bachelorette lifestyle then being childfree/career driven/worldwide travel is the way to go. The beauty of this freedom to choose is not wrong. At the beginning and end of each day, we're all just trying to live and should not be shamed for our choices - men or women.
@@lockbresnar6445 Sources?
@@alphathefirstone1222 Sources? I don't see the "millions of women...angry, remorseful, and bitter" on TikTok about their choices to pursue a career instead of a family. What I see here is men who appear to be very, very afraid about what it means for them that a significant percent of woman are making this choice. As an older married woman, had my kids all with my husband of 30+ years, I am grateful that men and women who don't want to have kids and men who think they are OWED a family by women who aren't interested (many still are)....will not be having children. No child deserves that fate.
@@alphathefirstone1222 Oh, no) while there's a cost to women who choose to be single, the cost is really not excessive. Let's be quite open here and admit why we are discussing this at all. the cost to society is huge, if such a large number of women stop producing new taxpayers, if not a complete collapse. Women are a valuable resource, and that's the whole idea behind why everybody's so intent on keeping them under control and with their heads sown.
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Unless you are literally 5% of women that will be the case. But you are failing to realize that it is INGRAINED into women's DNA to want to have children. Nobody can ever change that. That is the message. 95% of women want children. So yes even though it is a personal choice the question is, is it the best choice? And the answer is 95% of the time NO it isn't.
Isn’t this a great result? Men don’t like single mothers . So women being childless is ok 👍🏽
Not when they are 40+ lol.
Luckily, if you’re a woman, you can have one without a man via sperm banks or a doner
Ya they hate single mothers and tell us too choose better . Now we’re opting out and they’re still mad
@@Yomel123 exactly, they don’t know what they want
@@reddragon4482 who cares if they single and 40+? what we need to do is cut off all of the government welfare and government entitlement and subsidy programs. sure people will die but people are going to die from food riots and small scale civil wars once the money printing reaches 100%. it's already at $40% since the USA has printed 8 trillion USD in 2 years and that was 40% of the former debt of 20 trillion. now it's about 30 trillion. women's welfare state has to be abolished and the detractors have to be defeated in combat or whatever. nothing else matters. certain young people know this. others are in denial.
Of course there's a push for atomization from the corporate world. When people live alone, more material goods are sold, from housing to appliances to furniture. Also, the more employees in the marketplace competing for a limited number of positions, the more it benefits the employers.
Great point!
We’re literally being conned at the national level 😂😂
They don't want to sell it to us, they want to rent it. Look at the WEF.
they cant be that stupidly short sighted, itll boost profits short term but who is gonna be the customers when they hand the business off to their children and childrens children when birthrates take a nose dive
@@eKko0 That is a good question. The elite seems to genuienly buy into transhumanism so they may think that is their way out. But a lot of it surely is short sightedness. Or not, usually old money survives even big crisises so it doesn't matter even if we are heading towards a total collapse like happened in Egypt, Rome, Greece and all civilizations before us. The elites have prepared for all kinds of events and how much of it have they done in complete secrecy? I can bet a lot. Finance is the closest thing we humans have to magic.
The only thing that needs to be said to the 45% of single childless women of the approaching 2030's is " congratulations". They will be leading lives that they enjoy and feel successful at.
Nonsense. Most people, single or not, are not happy with life and only fake it on social media.
@@keenanhomemovies6517 I appreciate your level of snark and cynicism.
Yes they will
The Wall is undefeated.
High doses of Copium
Single childfree woman here. Actually my life is great, but ofc the top rich (*the really really rich whose names we don't even know) need wage slaves so they constantly push the sheep to reproduce. Life is good and peaceful - I don't want a hardcore career, I simply want my peace of mind & be able to watch the global collapse unfold with total hedonism. Also, what's the thing with all those cats? Some of us don't want to have pets either. Also - if women knew that their husbands are doing (=cheating left and right, and it does apply to most men I have met so far) they would never want to marry in the first place. But to each their own.
> Heh, heh! There is that! The only disappointing thing about being age 73 is that someday I wont be around to laugh at the world's absurdities!
No the globalists are not pushing us to reproduce, they are doing the opposite (with success). You only know men who cheat? Yeah you don't know other men because you don't desire them. So stop generalizing
Ya most men with option will never be with one women which she will leave anyways As the saying goes she is not yours it's just your turn I think government should give money to women to reproduce and after that men and women part ways I think artificial womb is the only option
It’s funny how the podcasts on this subject always focus on childless RICH women like every single one of us is on boat holidays, casually f*cking and snorting coke every weekend 😆🙄. I’m working poor, have no children and do none of those things. I never wanted a child for the sake of having one, in fact I never wanted any until I met one man at 34 and that switch immediately and surprisingly flipped. Unfortunately he broke my heart. The years it took to get over that loss mean that I’m now 40 and obviously no one is interested so I’ve accepted my lot. The alternative to that acceptance is literal Hell and I’ve already been there a couple of times. I have no wish to return. So I try my best to be a good daughter, I have two dogs who are my world and I have the spare time to help my friends and wider community when needed and yes, enjoy myself and indulge hobbies more than a parent might. I never pictured kids in my life AT ALL until I met that one man and now I feel just like I did before that, a bit sad for having missed the chance sure, but it is what it is. I’m much stronger emotionally and grateful for all the comforts and close family I have. It could be a whole lot worse is what I’m saying and there ARE 7+ billion people here, its not like we’re about to run out, although I’m not one of these de-pop people either so I don’t hate humanity and have huge respect for the mothers out there. Life doesn’t always work out the way you thought it would, doesn’t mean you have to cry into your gin every night!
i'd still hit a 40years old milf just saying, you still have enough time
Hey, a very touching story! Thank you for sharing and I hope all the best to you :)
Thank you for this very relatable post.
@@xxcrusade thank you, same to you! 🙂
@@shadowfax333 thanks for reading, was a bit of an essay 😅
Look after two miscarriages and a 27 week still born daughter (who died for her own illness not due to my pregnancy or her genetic) I don’t know what to say. It happened this year. I’m 26 and I won’t be trying again for some time. If I fall into this cat-egory and become a cat-lady it wasn’t my fault. I tried. Life failed.
I'm so sorry for your loss, I can only imagine how painful it must be.
You weren’t heathy enough
We had a full report of why she died. I assumed that was the case but it wasn’t in fact. It didn’t make much sense to me. As for the miscarriages I don’t know.
@@Madonnalitta1 Thank you for your compassion. It’s really was and sometimes still is. The feeling are becoming much better. I feel more able to share now.
Very sorry for your loss. It must be heartbreaking. My aunt had several miscarriages, but luckily ended up having twins. I know you might not want to try again, the fear is overwhelming, but who knows, you may find the bravery to try again in the future. You're tougher than you think or feel right now. Best of luck.
In the modern world, where women can equally earn and survive on their own, there is nothing much men can offer in relationship. I believe in the past, majority of marriages were survival for women, now they don't have to pretend and can afford to be honest with what they want, including stating that they don't want marriage and kids at all. Apart from that, men think that marriage and kids bring so much happiness for women, but in reality, it is a lot of burden. In the modern realities, it is hard to build up one's own life, and bringing and taking care of others is too much for many women. Before at least there was some financial security in marriage for women, right now apart from really hard work nothing waiting for them in relationship.
Feminists have been training women to be men, and you are obviously one of their great successes.
@@SeattlePioneeryes, because being financially independent and not wanting to have kids is obviously her trying to be a man.
@@SeattlePioneer So men don't want marriage and children, you say?
Let’s be honest it’s all about control. Women is learning that being alone with cats is actually not a bad thing.
Better than the hassle of men
Until they realize they can't produce any children. Realty is the majority of men and women want children.
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I like cats 🐈
What men need to understand is that just being there with a paycheck is not enough. Men need to do more in relationships now, because women make thier own money now. Men have to do more.
Men say enjoy your cats. Women say enjoy your porn. Men say they are happy without women. Women say the same. So what’s the solution, just dragging the opposite sex? Seems like that’s what y’all want to do here.
As long as they are genuinely happy, that's great. If they aren't, well, I guess they need to acknowledge that and find out how to fix it
Those men, when they get old, will probably just blow their brains out or hang themselves. They'll have a long time to get comfortable with the idea of being dead. The women will demand huge amounts of financial resources produced by an ever-shrinking population of young people so they can live to age 90 or more, having been on antidepressants for 60 years, which is completely insane. I fear that society's attitude toward them then will be the same attitude displayed toward today's elderly with respect to coronavirus: that the young should sacrifice endlessly for the old, to include complete financial destruction. This is end-stage capitalism.
So what solution do you propose? I say let the miserable stay miserable and the ones who have a positive attitude stay on the grind of finding the right partner.
@Lisa Fenwick exactly
@@1911Zoey true just these videos are so miopic, with no solutions and just blaming based on very simplistic ideas.
Okay just got to the part where it says women shouldn't be enjoying sex? Or at least meaningless sex? So that's something only reserved for dudes? These two need to seriously lighten up it's like they're just feeding off of each other's insecurities.
Meaningless sex with women isn’t the same with dudes, dudes can’t get pregnant
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@@Saberdud So if a dude gets a girl pregnant he bares no responsibility? Should the woman then be labeled whore and be stoned in public?
@@Saberdud so you don't believe in birth control? And guys who will go out and have multiple partners are studs while women are nothing more than 15th century broodmares.
Ya get ran through by bunch of dudes or whatever why does it matter women love meaning less sex too
As a woman in my forties, the choice of not having children is a combination of bad parenting model, economics and bad relationships. Nothing to do with career.
How is that a 'choice' if the factors that effect it are out of your control?
@@gonzowarburn7045 because some people still chose to have children despite the presence of these factors in their life. Many women don't want to be unfair to a child for the reasons mentioned here or just because they know they don't want kids. In both cases, it's a decision to make.
I'm disgusted by these two boys cause they're even talking about how men will win in promiscuity. Why should a woman wanna be with someone who's promiscuous and have his kids? Wouldn't I much rather keep my mind stimulated by furthering my education which leads to a good career?
Wrong
@@thomasaanderson12455 if you're not in her shoes, you're stupid for saying that
As an artist and novelist, my work is deeply meaningful to me. I don't feel the need to buy shoes or go to Aspen or own a summer cottage. I prefer minimalism. I also never wanted children. I waited to see if that changed as I aged, but my feelings remained the same, so I had my tubes tied at 28. I'm now 53 and have some regrets, but being without children is not one of them. I mentor a young adult woman in the creative arts and I'm godmother to her child. That has been very nice. I have thought about what I would have done if I had been born at another time in history and I do believe I would have become a nun (like the intellectual, Hildegard of Bingen).
you'll die alone.
@@kc6810 Okay, then die alone, with no one to mourn you, except fair weathered friends who will have their own lives rather than your own family which is your legacy that you have passed down to the ages.
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615That's interesting because most people do die alone. It's a singular act, unless you die with others in a crash of some sort! I'm a nurse and death alone happens very frequently.
@@ccalcote9125 Maybe in the modern age, that is normal, for the past 2000 years, it was the norm to have a family.
@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 Its dawning on me as I read these comments that there are people who believe that without a marital or blood-familial relationship, then that means they will have nobody around them who cares about them. It's helping me to understand the fear and the anger of the (mostly men) who make these "You'll die alone because you didn't marry and/or have kids" comments. THEY must believe that they would have nobody around them if they didn't have a legal or blood relationship with those people. THEY are afraid that if they can't marry or have children they will be alone. That's why it is threatening if women in large numbers abandon the traditions of marriage and children. THEY fear that if they can't get someone to marry them or have a familial obligation to them, then THEY will be alone. I get it now.
Being able to support yourself is never a bad thing.
can be nice when a woman doesn't see you as a breathing machine for your wallet.
Right now until young population declines and you have no one to take care of future generations
Just realize that you are training yourself to be a man and to be independent. That's not what a marriage to a woman is supposed to be for a man. Independent, masculine women are properly left on the shelf. They aren't fit for marriage.
@@revan3841well I mean you can’t feed your kids out of love.
@@SeattlePioneerbeing a women solely depending on a man never benefits a women. It leads to abuse and cheating. So calling a woman masculine because they want to be financially independent is not really a bad thing honestly.
I'm from a 3rd world country. Most women of my mother's generation were stay at home moms. The abuse, infidelity and general misery that I saw in these women, cemented my decision to NEVER be economically dependant on a man to give him children. Ever. I am very happy. To each their own....
Don't you think thats more to do with them living in extreme poverty than being stay at home moms? Also perhaps that was your own personal experience but that doesn't necessarily represent what other stay at home moms are experiencing.
And that’s exactly why single women without kids are the happiest demographic. It’s not just like that in 3rd world countries. It’s like that around the world.
@@CherryJuli does this trend continue for these women once they are past being fertile? I highly doubt it
That has to do with being in a 3rd world country, which is exactly why you wanted to come here / stay here. They are talking about the lie we try to sell women in first world countries that they’ll be miserable if they go the traditional family route. The demonization of women who do want to willingly choose that is the problem. Slave away to your job and have no family if you want that’s perfectly fine, just don’t demonize someone who wants a different life, like they’re stupid and you’re omnipotent.
You should blame the homewrecking women running around with married men.
I don't think all single women want kids. Many single men don't want kids. My husband didn't want kids and I could have done it, but decided I was ok without them. We have been married 20 years and very happy. We don't care about passing on our genes, both sets of parents were utterly miserable and still are. We enjoy our time together with our dogs. We also have a group of married friends that opted out of kids. So to each their own. As long as you are happy. Also we don't live extravagantly with gucci shoes and fancy trips. We do have two homes that we go to seasonally. We also give back to our community by volunteering with humane society. Our passion is welfare of animals and working with animals. Many kids and seniors benefit in their mental health with adopting and caring for pets. Not all of us are meant to be parents, nor should we feel we have to do it. Look at how screwed up society is. It takes a village.
We need to balance this by saying that men 70%+ in certain communities don’t care about fatherhood and responsibility so why should women want to be single mothers specially the middle and lower class women… being childless is in women’s best interest if we use this common scenario
I refuse to have children because I've been far down the rabbit hole. Why would I bring an innocent life to be a tax slave to the system? That is the only reason.
If your parents thought like that you wouldn't be here. Given the choice would you rather not have been born?
@@SCheco3 yes, absolutely.
@@SCheco3 I would rather not be here. I won't take myself out though as I know first hand how other people are affected by that action. This world on the surface seems ok but once you look deeply into the system and state of the world you will see how insidious it truly is. Future seems quite bleek so I am not worried about future generations as I don't have a stake in it. I am however quite involved in local politics and other things that affect today's issues.
@@SCheco3 this argument is so tired. Life in this planet is more negative than what people make believe. I would rather not be born.
@@SCheco3 Yes
LOL Men saying all of this, but women are just out here enjoying our freedom.
@@kc6810To be fair, many men who talk about this are actually trying to look out for women. I’m hearing more and more of women who never intended to be single and childless as a goal, but end up as such due to the cultural push towards it. These women will live a life alone, filled with regrets about the life they wanted yet can no longer have. That’s why they’re talking about it. They don’t want women to be uninformed/misinformed about this really big decision. Most people, men and women, find the most satisfaction, purpose, and fulfillment in life with a loving partner and children. This is seen in both psychological studies as well as in neuroscience. Very very few men and women are actually fulfilled and find true purpose and meaning in their lives in the long run in their careers and friend groups alone. Something like 10% iirc. I could be a bit off on the %, but it’s around there. Women should 100% be free to choose, but they should be VERY well informed so they can make the best decision for their long term fulfillment, meaning, and purpose and not moment to moment happiness. That’s the reason it’s important. Also, population collapse is already happening, so that’s not great either lol. But that’s ancillary to the fact that you’re most likely to have the best life with a loving partner and children in a general sense.
At the end of the day it really boils down to one question: are you happy/satisfied with life. If you can answer yes your doing something right. I don’t think it’s productive that they scoff at the women saying she’s happy because it goes against their preconceived notion’s about what women should be doing in life.
Agreed. These guys are just insecure assholes and they’re threatened that a woman could be happy all by themselves.
Not seeing a problem. I'm glad women are realizing they can do whatever they want with their lives.
But not without consequences
@@dannygillmusic the consequence is happiness. Childless single women are the happiest demographic. watch?v=LCX6wr0uS7Y
@@dannygillmusic yeah.... like every decision. Everything you do or not do has consequences, so what's your point
@@dannygillmusiceven having kids has consequences 😂
What’s interesting is I see a lot of women on TikTok with kids and husbands miserable asf, and complaining of being exhausted and wanting to go back.
Interesting. I see plenty of women wishing they could go back and find a good man and have children.
TikTok and social media are not the truth. The sort of person likely to make a lot of TikTok videos - and thus be popular on TikTok, more likely to have been viewed by you - is the same sort of person who is more likely to complain. She found a social media niche- everyday frustrations. I can't prove this, but I'd wager that for every one TikTok person complaining, there are 10,000 people who are genuinely happy with having a family.
Statistically women who are married and have kids are happier. Not only that, but they live longer. Keep in mind that what you see on TikTok is part of this toxic algorithm that shows the minority of people who have extreme opinions. I been on TikTok myself a couple times and wouldn’t be surprised if it’s some Chinese psyop used to usher in social collapse.
Damn I didn’t know us childfree women were ruining the world. I think mothers are lovely and important. I don’t hate children. I just want a life without my own. Single childfree women get SO much hate. I’m literally not hurting anyone nor am I promiscuous and competing with men.
You miss the point. It's not damaging to the world its damaging to you. It's easy to be child free when ur young and healthy with possibly most ur extended family alive. The problem is that your third half of life will be very lonely. We're tribal animals and thrive in a tribe.
No-one said childfree women were ruining the world. People should be able to do what is best for them. What I do find unsettling, however, is the continuous propaganda pushed by mega-corporations demonizing motherhood, and celebrating semi-hedonistic, worker drone lifestyles instead.
Missed the point doll
Hey, I'm single and childfree. And, sometimes, I like to tell a man "no" just to see his face crack. And I have every intention to stay that way. I know what's best for myself. No one else can know that for me. It's part of what makes an adult responsible - to know their own limitations. And my limitation is no kids. It would be a disaster for myself and anything that came out of me. I'm just not willing to create that much trauma to satisfy a selfish desire for what many consider a clone. Kids never turn out the way you expect they will, and there's no guarantee they'll even like you, no matter how well you attempt to parent them.
Have fun being an old woman alone with no one to care for you.
I’m a very family-oriented, traditional woman. But I’m also very unattractive physically so having a partner and children is impossible - I have no choice but to focus on career and hobbies to stop thinking about it
I find that hard to believe, frankly. People who are f***-ugly are almost never aware of it, for some reason. That part of their brain is missing. You aren't as ugly as you think you are - the odds of that are against you.
@@hunterbidensaidslesion1356 it’s not that difficult to realise, especially when people make rude comments about your face and body. I just lost in the genetic lottery 😅
Well as a woman u can work with that. U can go to the gym for example.. I, a short man, am doomed from the start regardless
@@lucadesanctis563 I did everything I could, surgery is the only option left. Unfortunately men don’t care about education or carrer if a woman is not pretty (and I don’t blame them for it, it’s normal that you want to be attracted physically to your partner). But there are many studies which show that for women looks aren’t the most important thing. Social status, money, job, education is more attractive than just looks. Some studies show that women care about intelligence twice as much as men. That’s why men can be very attractive without being handsome or fit.
@@maj3732 Glad you are making light of your situation. Not that you asked but I think you have a solid head on your shoulders and good heart. Best of luck to you.
When I see parents and families out and about they just seem tired, bored or stressed out. When I see groups of friends or singles, they seem cheerful and carefree. I just go by what I see.
I have half the mindset, 44 female childless by choice but I'm a minimalist and didn't focus on career and possessions. Not necessarily single by choice...
> Interesting comment. So what DO you put your time and energy into? I made a decision at age 19 never to get married or have children. I spent 37 years, from 1981-2018, as a volunteer leader for the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts ---the most rewarding part of my life. In other parts of my life I lived frugally, saved and invested a good part of my income and wound up with a net worth of several million dollars.
@SeattlePioneer I've spent a few years doing work in exchange for room and board, plus pet sitting and a little elderly care. I say I get to make lives better for people and their animals. It's been rewarding, but I have not set myself up financially as well as you. I'm open to and actively trying to see learning and growth opportunities as well as working to become aware of and overcome old, limiting patterns and blocks... which have gotten me to this point. I was married briefly 20 years ago and would still like to experience a great relationship and marriage.
@@chriskiesling9387 As I described in my post, from 1981-2018 I was a volunteer leader for the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. That gave me a useful social role in society aside from my work. I also found that single mothers were often DESPERATE for help in managing their overbooked and underfinanced lives. That was an opportunity to play a role in such families and with such children from time to time. Not on a permanent or long term basis, however. Those were both ways I could make a rewarding life as a single person for myself, while I was making a reasonable income as a blue collar tradesman. And because life as a single person can be lived very frugally, I had surplus income which could be invested in stocks and rental real estate, which paid off very well over decades. I would worry about not being able to accumulate the assets needed to take care of yourself at a future time....
Chris why are you not married with kids?
As bad as this sounds. It also makes me remember the fact that most western countries (America in particular) have divorce rates around 50%. Many people get married for the wrong reasons and end having families with the wrong people. When you're pressured to be married and pump out babies before you're 25 for a lot of people that doesn't end well. Unless of course you're in some middle east or Asian country where divorce is either illegal or socially frowned upon, or you're in an arranged marriage where you don't have much of a choice.
Those middle Eastern and Asian countries are doing far far FAR better than the west when it comes to preserving marriage, family, and subsequently social structure. Its very typical of you to assume that these countries make divorce illegal or arranged marriage is the same as forced marriage When in reality the two are very different things. And btw, divorce is forbidden in roman catholicism, not in islam. And have you lived in those countries? Visited their homes? The West loves to pretend that countries that still value marriage MUST be trapped in unhappy marriages. You might be surprised to find that the majority of thode marriages are very happy and functional, because of a number of factors in terms of how relationships in the east work. We don't have sex before marriage, we keep it in the marriage. We value our religious teachings on marriage. 99.9 per cent of children are born into a married home with a mother and a father. Family structures are stronger. The elderly are not abandoned. Women are not used for hedonistic sexual pleasures then dumped and left traumatised. Eastern communities value COMMITMENT and FAMILY because of our strong religious values Alhumdillilah.
@@SA-rx3dv The length of a marriage is not equivalent to the success of a marriage because children were produced. There are many stories of men stepping out of their marriage and women/men being miserable in their marriage until the day they die because they sacrificed themselves and lost themselves doing so, for various reasons.
Whether the men in these comments fully understand or not but the truth is that adults fully settle into themselves, know themselves after 30 or late 20s. Marriage before then is a gamble. I am not specifying a gender here
yep, too many folks not properly vetting partners before getting married and having kids...then we continue a downward spiral in society where there are more divorces/families end up splitting up and everyone loses. but nobody wants to talk about that. it's all like it's a competition to "check off all of the boxes" or something...and the entire family eventually ends up getting hurt.
Ironically having fewer option to leave a marriage makes people WORK HARDER into making marriage a success. If the door out is always right there, then of course you end up with a society of quitters who can’t tolerate hardship.
most childfree women aren't engaging in casual sex. they're simply opting out of blind pencils seeking relief and applying their prowess towards goals.
1. Material (typically male) success is celebrated in society, so the world is programmed to view that as enviable. If we glorify mothers on billboards, in magazines and on the silver screen, culture will shift. 2. Some women may want children, but fail to find a suitable life partner/father. People can’t just click their finger and find a suitable partner/get pregnant. A lot of modern men are not financially, or emotionally suitable for fatherhood, although for some reason, plenty of women will have children with men who can’t, or won’t provide. From what I’ve seen, it’s most likely to be women who are vulnerable, and/or have a lower IQ. Intelligent women (and men) are highly selective when it comes to choosing a mate. 3. All men need to do to have a baby is orgasm, so it’s a much easier and even enjoyable prospect for men. For this reason, I’m not a feminist, because males and females could never be equal. As soon as pregnancy is an option, it makes total sense that the one who doesn’t bear the weight of pregnancy and breastfeeding would be the one who provides and protects. 4. As a former teacher, I know invested stay-at-home mothers raise top-performing children. I’ll defend and celebrate the role of mother and stay-at-home mum, because I know they generate better outcomes for children. Being a stay-at-home mum is a worthwhile life path if women choose the right mate.
Couldn’t agree more.
1. It doesn't have to be on the screen. It can be a cultural shift by parents who teach it by living by it. It starts from a young age, children should have good opinion of the opposite gender as someday they will need to pick a partner from them. Not the toxic stuff social media promotes. Islam is fastest growing religion and its no coincidence that the mother and well being of women is at the centre.
All men need to do to have a baby isn't just orgasm. It requires commitment, hardwork, confidence, leadership etc...no man will just walk up to a woman and deposit his sperm in her. He gets to know her, take her out on dates, commit, and provide etc... before he gets the chance to deposit his sperm in her and also her to carry their baby. Western societies tend to minimise the role of men when it comes to procreation. It isn't easy at all. Go figure!
I think the men who push this fear are worried that men tend to be worse off without marriage (life partners) or children. They always bring up divorce rates but never speak on when men marry within their social class they earn more money and are more likelier to get a promotion. The opposite is for women. Also being 30 and single is the best bet for sine women. It's not just about travel and having a expendable income it's of having the opportunity to rely on yourself, nurture your interests and not do things for the sake of doing things. And having biological children isn't they only way to be maternal. There is volunteering, adoption, mentoring, being a children's doctor/psychologist.
@@AYYOluvable Human beings naturally want to pass their genes to the next generation, we have a natural instinct to want to procreate. Adopting a child won't fulfil that desire if you have never had a child of your own. Get a child of yours if you can unless you can't make one.
As a small business owner and a mother who’s now an empty nester. You can’t have it all. It was very hard balancing building a business with mothering. And most kids want their mothers for day to day needs. So I always tell young women you’re not a man and trying to compete with very driven men in corporate America is a challenge. Be ready to work 60+ hours a week while raising your family 😉 you’ll be grinding your teeth while living on caffeine just to make it through the day.
Thank you for your honesty. I wish there were more sensible, wise women out there, to guide the young and foolish younger girls.
@@C12341 No, she didn't have it all, and neither did her kids. That was her point.
@@C12341 far from having it all! I missed a lot of school activities and family time just so I could be a boss babe
Women aren't biologically built to handle being provider while being a nurturer. They did studies and found women that go through the same day to day activities as men have much higher levels of cortisol. I think it was six times the amount as men, and women were less fulfilled at the end of the day compared to the men. When a woman enters fight or flight, which is the daily stresses of work, it wreaks havoc on her body because it's not her intended biological duty. If it was women would've evolved to have the same physical composition as men through hormonal output.
In all honestly I’m just puzzled as to why women want or feel the need to compete with men in corporate America. ? I’ve worked many 50+ hour weeks and there is nothing fun or glamorous about it. Seems these women feel they will attain power that they are so desperately needing…?
To be honest you can't be mad about women choosing a carreer, when high value men are on the decline. It is an evolutionary phenomenon. Men have to rise on their value to catch up. PS. This is one of the perks of being gay, I don't need to compite with other men that much. But I do it because I want to get better.
To be fair, if women are supposedly outpacing men, why do I keep hearing about a wage gap? Why would a group that’s supposedly outearning another group still be talking about a wage gap? Something isn’t adding up there. That said, I don’t think it’s an issue of men needing to rise up and become better. Rather, I think the average woman’s standards have become too high, and in turn, they may not qualify for the men they want, hence they remain single. Do you really think an average woman truly deserves a good looking man who is tall and makes 6 figures?
When a gay guy tells you that high value men are on the decline then better believe it 😆
@@midatlantic09I think you are missing the point here - it’s not about that if a woman deserve this kind of man… It’s the fact that ONLY THIS KIND OF MEN CAN PROVIDE FOR A FAMILY… If you won’t find a guy like that then you won’t make any children obviously because it would be really stupid. It’s really funny how corporations and capitalism has caused demography decline - but the whole blame in media is on women 😂
For the women that want children and don't find the mate that they want to build a life with please remember that there are plenty of children out here that need a home. Take a look a those neighbors, young girls, and family members that are trying to find someone to ditch their kids on. Help those neglected and abandoned kids.
Absolutely!
Some people want to raise their own children, it's biology
Women generally have kids for selfish reasons.....me, me, me...
Adopted kids are waste of time. They look for their biological parents or family when they grow up. You just help them become someone with no strings attached!
@@cheekymonkeygirl3378 of course people are going to want to know where they came from. People can love the family they are adopted into and develop relationships with people from their family of origin. Most people are capable of that.
Thanks for bringing this into the conversation. The value of motherhood has been degraded . And as a woman who considers motherhood to be the biggest value I offer the community, it takes a lot to not feel beleaguered by this rhetoric. Not to push the envelope here but reestablishing motherhood as a worthy effort is good but also, fatherhood, and being a husband or a being wife are all roles that interconnect and deeply effect the experience.
@@ibizawavey8630 this is fair they should look elsewhere if they arent getting what they want. first good take
It's not impossible. Nothing is. I've noticed a lot of women say they don't want kids, until they find a man who's genes they want to reproduce.
Motherhood doesn't need to be re-established. It is already worthy enough.
Sure, but no need to legislate women into womb slavery to do it.
It's psychological war. They hate nothing more than happy families with strong father and mother figures. Strong families are anti-consumerist and utterly anti-liberal. That is why they hate them, you can't make profit cattle out of people who have an identity, family and community.
As a person in my late 40's I can speak to a time of life that comes up in the later 30's. The differences in ones life choices for both good and bad maximize over time. In the later 30's you come to an interesting cross section as enough time is now showing marked differences in life trajectories between you and your same age peers. And you start to do that math that says that you are 20-25 years out from that 65 retirement age. Depending on how one is fairing and ones personality as to how this is processed it can become a spot where one starts to experience physiological pain of regret as options are disappearing in a noticeable way. In ones 20's it is easy to think all things are possible. That changes the closer one gets to the deadline. What makes the idea of being single or married convoluted is that not all marriages work. The failure of this partnership can devastate both parties. There is risk in seeking this reward that can be somewhat mitigated in being careful in mate selection and participating in a community that promotes monogamy. However the most successful of people at that mid point of working years are going to be the ones who have successfully partnered up at a younger age. They will have had the best chances to build equity. A female in their late 30's who had good options to partner up long before then but decided not to is going to potentially have a long time to feel that regret especially if their dating life/ potential mate quality options have drastically changed.
Boy stfu studies says otherwise get over it
I don’t even think one path is superior to the other (child free vs motherhood)…but why again is it such an issue if that’s what some women choose? This behavior is actively encouraged in men constantly. But now that some women want in, it’s problematic? Now it’s sad and dystopian? Please explain
The problem isn’t the choice, it’s the often bad information or lack of information that women use to make that choice. Choices are great. Choices made in ignorance are not. And most people, not just women, are making life long choices with very little information and very little thought about the consequences or what they actually will want for the rest of their life. For example; The choice to pursue continuous moments of happiness might sound like a great choice. Until you find out that, biologically, neuro-chemically, and psychologically, you are far more likely to find a better life through pursuit of meaning, purpose, and fulfillment. Where is the one place that almost all humans get the most amount of these feelings of meaning, purpose, and fulfillment? It’s most often from a good relationship with their spouse, and the children they bring into the world. That’s the data talking, not me. So when women make the decision to not have children, are ALL of them informed of things like this? Are ALL of them aware that waiting in til you’re 30/35/40 to try to find someone to be with or start having kids is a highly suboptimal situation to be in if that ends up becoming your goal? Have they though it through to when they’re 70 years old and have no one to take care of them, and no legacy to leave behind to go out and do great things after you’re gone? Something tells me plenty of them haven’t thought it all the way through. Most people, men and women both, seem to be not thinking all the way through their choices as of late.
It's interesting but it's also not necessarily relevant to anything. People do what they do. It's not a good or a bad it just is. Do you live your life for the betterment of society? No you just were born and you f****** live and do what you want. You aren't noble for popping out children lol. And it doesn't matter if you're married or not. We all die alone. All of us do.
C'mon there is far more to not having kids than being able to afford Gucci shoes and a second home! There are almost infinite options how to spend your life, far more things than could ever be done in a single lifetime, and while having children gives certain experiences that childless people will never get, the opposite is also true. It's a personal choice and everyone has different priorities!
We are a reproductive species like all others. our biology drives us to reproduce. you want to believe its a personal choice, this is a delusion. this is biology and this cannot be changed. their is nothing that you cannot do in your life if you have kids. oh and 90% of these infinite options on how to spend your life you speak of has only really became possible over the last 80 years
Human beings who are able to neglect the instinct to give birth or raise children are most likely able to do so because of a psychosis. It's impossible to be truly happy about life if you neglect your instincts because they are in every way the greatest part of who you are and only an upset state of mind can be the cause of such "deliberate" decision. Peace and Love.
@@petneb 😂😂😂
@@petneb especially in the case of women, men can deal with the fact of not having children fsr easier
@@petneb Interesting perspective but I suppose to verify your theory you'd have to get into the mind of every individual who claims to not want children. Not totally sure what you mean by "truly happy" either - there is more than one way to be happy, and nobody is happy ALL the time. For me personally, maybe I could be convinced to have children if I had unlimited time and resources, but I do not, and there are other routes to happiness and fulfilment that I prioritise over having kids. Also, even if I did agree that not wanting children could only be a result of some kind of psychosis (I do not agree btw), then surely you agree that we all have mental issues to some degree (I sure as hell do 🤣). Issues that are often out of our control and that influence the way we think and see the world... but that still doesn't change the fact that many people genuinely do not want kids! ✌
There is a lot to consider when having a child, mainly what environment they will grow in. I would only consider having children in a healthy environment with a healthy relationship. The society we are in is NOT a healthy environment and so far I haven't found a partner I would consider having children with. I will remain single and childless till these requirements are met because I want healthy well adjusted children🤗
This logic is bad for society because only responsible people use it. It’s something of a conundrum, but society will only get worse when people like you choose not to have kids. You’re contributing to the problem yourself.
You can see how this kind of thinking leads to a vicious cycle of the best abstaining from having kids and only the worst groups breeding, which makes the best even more reluctant to have kids.
@@devinglass9967 He doesn't owe society however. Being responsible when planning children isn't a failing. People that shouldn't have children when they aren't ready or have them unplanned and don't step up to the responsibility is a personal failing on them. And him having children doesn't necessarily fix that issue. He also can't find a partner that would be a good coparent either which is another problem.
@@devinglass9967 What's the alternative? Please give constructive criticism instead of just a blanket statement About how I'm wrong for my beliefs and assessments of my own situation. I've thought long and hard about the consequences. I am fully committed to put in the work but until there's hope that my children won't be taken from me(which is coming because countries are attempting to establish children having their own rights-which means no more parental rights), and until I marry a man who I feel safe and compatible with(because having heathy and happy parents is the best environment for a child to thrive) I won't have children. But thank you for your consideration🙏❤
@@keenonmorgan8558 thank you Keenon, just a quick correction to your comment, I'm a woman🤗 otherwise I really appreciate your comment🙏❤
I am a single child free woman, I am child free by choice and single by choice. I am enjoying this season of peace in my life and I do not own a house however my parents Own a house and I am not stressing myself financially because I don’t need to. The last part of women’s liberation is to be liberated from men and I noticed that the man on the panel don’t mention it!
You are not single by choice. The ideal man of your dreams that you wanted just doesn't want you. You are a femcel. And, speaking of being liberated from men, how about you give up using all the infrastructure created and maintained by men to help you stay comfortable? (the house? The roads? The internet? Your car? Plumbing?) I bet you won't give up any of these things. Men will always rule the world, unless Women start building infrastructure and control the means of producing goods - which will never happen! 😂
A lot of us love being child free. I know a few miserable parents so I wouldn't try and sell this child thing on to us
Exactly! Being a parent is a huge life altering obligation. Your life, money and time are no longer your own. Being childless is freedom. Let the people who love to be parents enjoy their kids, and let the people who enjoy their freedom remain childless.
Yes!! Why are these people so obsessed with pressuring women to breed?? Some of us want to live for ourselves and not raise a small human.
@@mysteriousbean8413 good luck! 😂😂 . My aunt is like that! And now she's depressed! Crying when drunk! And very bitter and jealous for woman with children..
@Task Master yes, one must find meaning beyond human replication
@MsZoomification That would be brutal and it happens a lot. My biggest reason for not having is I think I'd have a really hard time raising a kid if they were mentally handicapped or ill. My family has ADHD and bipolar for some and I wouldnt risk it.
Idk about this, my mum is an empty nester now and hangs out with older childless women and most are happy enough. The ones who aren't childless by choice have made their peace with it. My granny had 10 kids but when they moved out she spent more time with friends.
Also, a bit weird to discuss a particular demographic while not including them in said discussion. I like your videos usually, but I can't deny that's very strange.
It is best for the future of humanity and the world that humanity depopulates anyway to balance the effects of overpopulation.
I don’t know how you can have this discussion without the financial implications for starting a family. Especially as the cost of living crisis is a critical factor what are your stats on that? Not every woman if after Gucci shoes 😂 some just can’t afford to pay the bills let alone support kids. Lost me on this argument.
I am a former psychotherapist and currently support people to grow in their Awareness. I am now 63 and did not have children. I am not lonely and I am very very fulfilled, intellectually, emotionally, spiritually. My nieces are stay at home mom's. I think that is great if they want to do that and have the means to do that. Not all women find that satisfying or fulfilling however. And not every woman needs a man to be fulfilled just like not every man needs a woman to be fulfilled. There is so much more to life and so many more paths in life than having children which (rightly so) take a LOT of attention and focus away from any other good, productive and loving things one can do in the world. I have so many clients whose mothers (or fathers) were addicted to alcohol or work or who were mentally compromised. Those are more reasons for both men and women not to have children. I love that women are going for what they want. Many of us are exercising freedom of choice to follow our spiritual calling in the world. And do we really need to contribute to a larger world population?
Yes because Capitalism tells us to do so :). U know, more customers..
I'm a single woman over 50. You need to get better friends and build a personal life for yourself. Get Some hobbies.
Men refuse to acknowledge the cost of child-rearing. We can't afford to have kids. Not everyone wants to live paycheck to paycheck just to experience motherhood. Singleness and childfree living is a healthier experience.
then so be it, if economics is the excuse you have for not pursuing motherhood, then so be it.
It is men who disrespect motherhood by calling women who are mother's used / old vaginas. Being a mother is not rewarded rather some men see it as fault.
Your husband won't call you that. Society celebrates mothers enough. Only few people will call you names for having a child and it often happens when a woman has a child out of wedlock or is trying to remarry after a divorce and she has kids. Nothing justifies such name calling. To survive in life you have to be tough enough not to let what few ignorant people say make you lose focus.
@@Noob-zi2ce husbands and society trashes mothers. I don’t blame wm for not wanting to be mothers one bit. In fact mn trash wm any time she comes into contact with a man
There’s also women like me, dying to become a mother and a loving wife, but with no one around to take them that seriously… I honestly don’t know how other women do it. I’m a nice person, Im loving, loyal, and all of that, yet I cant seem to achieve my dream to become a mom in a loving family. Wherever there are kids and dogs, screw my career😂
Yea same for guys 'I'm a good guy' and get passed up by girls wanting drug dealers :/
Loyal, beautiful word.
Men want young aka fertile women. The cold fact is, from the day you hit 20, if you are still single, your value as a woman decreases every year. You can't produce more healthy eggs. That being said, nowadays good men are as rare as good women and I would rather look for a good woman as a good man rather than look for a good man as a good woman. My tip is that the older you are, the lower your standards should be.
So given that woman are choosing the top guys on dating apps, like the top 20%, how about dropping the standards toward someone who will take you seriously. The guys most woman are picking are the top guys- so they have options.
That's a manosphere myth. Average age of marriage and having children is early 30's for both women and men .
Married (once and staying that way) and pregnant with #4. Kids are hard. You have to not do a whole bunch of other stuff in order to have kids and do them justice. But it's imperative, individually, familially, and humanly speaking.
It is best for the future of humanity and the world that humanity depopulates anyway to balance the effects of overpopulation.
What about childless men? Why does all the responsibility for having and raising children fall on women?
They’re no different from a rotten king who wants to take power away from peasants.
You’re doing really important stuff here. The subjects you are talking about and the honesty and in my view the importance of it all. I’ve begun noticing anecdotes of these trends in my life and it has been really helping me figure things out. Don’t you dare stop!
I need to buy land and carpet it all with humans. Very based. no-anti-humans allowed, by humans or other dun dun dun!
I follow your videos because I enjoy your perspective and points. Thank you for the conversations you bring to the table. "Chasing" success is not the only situation which has brought this on. I grew up in a broken home, on the streets with no one stepping up to care for me. My desire to SURVIVE, and not end up an addict, living in poverty, or living off the government is what pushed me to be where I am. "A successful woman with a career", as you are saying. I could have stayed in my abusive relationship with an addict as a teenager, got pregnant, lived on welfare and most likely could have ended up an addict myself, go to jail like so many I Know. But, I chose to better my life instead, and took on the mindset to THRIVE, not just survive. All the factors that have created this "scenario" of woman are not being discussed. I wanted more for my child, my life and future generations of my family. Many woman I speak with in similar scenarios are trying to break cycles as well and it is not so cut and dry the way you make it out to be. I am 39 now, and working to build myself a family, that which I have always wanted, but chose to take a more all around healthier (mentally, financially, etc.) approach to obtain. When you come from a place where you have no options, no arranged marriage to take care of you, an abusive or addicted world, it sometimes takes more "time" to get out of that, and step into a better a way of life. Not all of us are chasing success and the life of being single, I believe most are just responding to the societal issues that have played out amongst us over the past decades (absent or addicted parents, break down of family and villages, etc, and its not the 1950s anymore) It would be great if you talked to real life woman in this situation, not just the "educated" people who see numbers and statistics... too many factors for this conversation of what got us here, instead of what it is now, are not being discussed on this topic. Still though Chris! I much enjoy your videos, Thanks🙏
Totally agree, come from a broken home too, but still struggling to get to a financial phase where I do not need to survive. I agree completely, that would be great if that would be spoken also from several points of view. As you said, when you have no one to rely on from a young age and don't want to end up in a bad place, you need to fight yourself through life, and it's hard and not easy to arrive over there. What is equal all is on your own hands. It takes a lot of time, and even if I would love to have a husband, family etc. I know other things go first, what exactly means getting my life together to a more or less secure place (what is quite difficult as they just said, rent is high, and prices are rising on a lot of things, what doesn't really help) I would love to be stable in that way so that I can focus later on the other things that I always wanted. But life is not easy and the time flies. I don't chase being super successful in life, but of course I have dreams and rather rely on myself doing my own thing than working for a company. So if on the way success happens it will be welcome. Would love to have kids, but that train seems almost gone now, as I'm already 33. Want to have a family, but good luck on finding a partner that could be compatible. It's not easy finding somebody with who you can build a life, when what you're looking for is trust, connection and security. And I don't have any interest on alpha male, bad boys or their money. I don't need somebody to fix my problems or to safe me. But it is important for me to be able to trust that person, compatibility, somebody you can rely on and help each other with whatever struggles in life come. Somebody with who you can learn and grow, and also enjoy life. But mostly seen in the past years (speaking from a general point of view) is that most men rather have fun in life, and are just looking for sex. Then we got the egocentric one's (plenty of them) the one's that cheat, or lie, only have interest in their own needs and are superficial in relationships. Lots of them are immature on an emotional level. And what I have seen a lot lately, are men with no sense of responsibility and it doesn't seem that they care much about it. They don't take accountability on anything, they don't put effort on anything, they only demand and are lazy as hell. They just mess everything up, and then they act avoidant, and run away, or either play the victim and just act as kids. On both sides of this scenario they end up looking for no solution, don't take responsibility and don't fix or clean their mess, they are usually just waiting for somebody else to fix their problems. What is actually a behavior I have seen a lot in younger generations, and seems more a matter of not knowing how to deal with emotions, got no sense of handling their frustrations or know of to solve their problems. They're lost in life. We also got the type of guys that most of them are usually doing well in life and are nice guys but have lack of ambition in general. They live in comfy zone, are not curious or have much interest on anything, don't wanna learn anything new, they are just ok how they live and well that might be ok for a time, and as there is really nothing wrong on doing that...but for a relationship, that lack of wanting to learn things or to improve themselves, just to level up a bit, for me are the vibes of a person who would just be ok with whatever life gives or throws at them, no matter if its good or bad and that just doesn't give me a sense of security. For me, it's equal to somebody who doesn't chase or goes after for what they want in life. Then on the other hand we got the guys that could be more or less interesting, those who seem that they want to do something with their life, the guys that are conscious, the one's that work on themselves (on their mind, on their personality and so on) those are mostly all focused on their own career. Most of them don't want to have relationships. The rest or are already in a relationship or are the bad boys aka f*guys whatsoever. Seeing all that, it seems that baby train is almost gone for me. Because believing in being lucky to get to know somebody who looks for meaning in life, is not only self-centered, and whom you can trust, more than having hope I would say it's like dreaming and not being realistic.
Same here! More people need to see this comment, it needs to be pinned!
@@jennyri5256 You make a lot of good points. But you will have to realize nobody is perfect. We all have to compromise with a partner if we want to live a life with someone. You can still make it at 33. But you will have to choose which character traits are the most important, and be grateful for someone like that. Our world is so connected and loaded with information now, so many people to compare ourselves to. We are bombarded with how good everyone else has it. So what we have, it always feels like it's never enough. A capitalistic materialistic society. Each individual has to decide what is good enough for them, to decide what you really want. As if nobody else would be watching. Helps keep the ego out of it.
@@jennyri5256 Jenny, you've got time. 33. You've got at least 7 years of fertility. Don't let your attitude prevent you from getting what you want
@Heather Richards Fantastic comment, Heather. What you said about absent/addicted parents and the breakdown of families/communities in recent decades is so on point. These problems started decades ago. We're just now reaping what we've down as a society. In any case, I hope you eventually build a beautiful family. :)
Thank you for talking about this. Keep doing more videos. I just started watching you.👍💯
You should interview an actual woman who doesn’t want kids about this instead of just interviewing dudes about a topic that isn’t even about them.
Are the two married with kids? If Chris wanted to be a father, he would be one already.
I am not disagreeing, but listening to two young men talk about how women need men to be happy is fairly ironic….
Tell us more about your issues
Can a geologist not make claims about rocks if they are not a stone themselves?
Some men know women better than they know themselves 😂
One might argue guys are the only ones left to discuss the topic... we left women to their devices to pursue their happiness and now they're more drugged up/depressed than ever with fewer and fewer having children. Meanwhile, they blame men for not being "man enough" to want to get married. Most men I know want to get married, they just don't want to get divorced. Because when 4 out of every 5 divorces are initiated by the woman, a few guys are eventually going to step in and start discussing why.
@@mouwersor If women are not talking with you it does not mean that they are stones :))). It seems that they just know better :))
You mention the statistic that single mothers only earn around 7000$. Don't you think that might be part of the explanation why women are reluctant to become mothers? Because it's financially risky?
I'm 55 years old. I've never heard anyone tell me to have ''loveless'' sex or to be a ''boss babe''. In fact, loveless sex for most women is the norm, whether we want it or not. It makes me wonder where Williamson and Costello have been all their lives that they can bemoan these trends. Is it not obvious to these guys? Economics plays a large role in the whole risk/reward system in an individuals mind. If having children becomes a fast track to poverty and welfare, then people will simply choose to forego them. Add to it the much pushed meme that 50% of all marriages end in divorce and the average person will say ''no way''.
Lol. That single woman is living a dream free from the stress of having a man and family and dying slowly while doing all the child rearing while taking care of her husband... and these guys think it's some sort of problem. I wanna go on that trip because they probs had an awesome time!
@Jojo Moa Everyone has siblings, parents and friends mostly. I've got lot's of friends and it sounds like this woman they are discussing has a lot of friends as well. As well as a lovely sister who she bought a house with.
Me, me, me. It's all about me.
You really think she's going to be honest about being unhappy?
@@davidharrow9025 Yes Dave. Clearly it is all about you
@@keenanhomemovies6517not having the responsibility of taking care of children and a grown ass man sounds very happy to me.
Women are expected to work full time, keep up on the cooking and cleaning and be the primary parent as far as spending time and raising children. The genders are pretty equal in the workplace but not in the home. For the most part those expectations have not caught up and we have a lot of men who were never taught to be equal partners in the home as well. Nobody wants to do all that because there is no room for self-care and enjoyment. Can we blame women? I certainly can not. Women have to make choices and think of their own financial security and well-being because many men are too stuck on traditional gender roles to have true equality. All men are expected to do is work and come home and women are expected to work, come home and take care of everything else. Until that changes I think this will only get worse. Statistically single and childless women are the happiest demographic and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.
Exactly, well said
This is such feminist propaganda bullshit. At least 25% of single unmarried women are on antidepressants. By every matrix, the happiness index for women have declined since the 1950s.
Statistically the amount of extra work women do in the home is offset by the extra paid work and commuting men do. Women want to marry up (hypergamy) and then complain when the higher earning men have to devote more time and effort to work. Childish and entitled.
Yet this factor is left out of many videos on this topic.
@@fiveleavesleft6521 you are absolutely delusional lmao.. Nobody is talking about higher earning men, so stop, because this comment is not about high earning men but about men who have less paying jobs, lets say middle to lower class jobs. My boyfriend doesn't do extra hours and he still is of an opinion that a woman must take care of everything at home and also bring a paycheck too. Your just shooting in the dark with this one, completely.
As a 35 year old man I could not imagine having kids right now. I'm just now starting to earn enough to build a life and future that isn't wage-slavery. The thought of losing all my income, suddenly being terrified of losing my job, having the threat of divorce and child support over my head for 18 years, it all sounds horrible. My parents weren't happy, my friend's parents weren't happy, they either divorced or had some weird awkward arrangement until the kids left. It's just been drilled into my head my whole life that marriage and children is bad news. I imagine a lot of the women my age experienced the same thing. Which creates an interesting question, outside of raising children, are men and women really that different? We all want success, money, and freedom to do enjoyable things without being someone else's bitch our whole life. Maybe we're discovering that reproduction is the only reason for gender roles.
SURVIVAL devised gender roles or vice versa. Reproduction for survival is what all life on earth is doing, not just humans.
@@SCheco3 Evidently survival of individuality has changed
Men and women are different. VERY DIFFERENT. That is why we have gender roles. The breaking down of these gender roles, and the denial that men and women are different has led to the society we have today.
@@thefrog4990 Men and women can be different and not have gender roles. Gender roles are a construct. You can't deny women education, autonomy and choice. Even choice not to have to marry. Women who own their own homes work and look after everything themselves. It's no big deal. Get over yourself and stop being regressive
@@wyleecoyotee4252 I'm not being regressive. I'm just not denying the obvious truth. Men and women work best together when therr are gender roles. Each role is equally as important, but still those roles themselves are VERY DIFFERENT, and for good reason. I will not get over myself. I think it is you who should get over yourself. You can continue to deny it but it's TRUE.
When women are not choosing relationships, this says a lot about the quality of men. Women are the gate keeper for Mother Nature.
That's exactly the reason
Pump and Dump is the problem😂😂😂💪💪
Clown take. Women never have been the deciding party in regards to relationships; It's always been men. You are confusing women's gatekeeping of sex with men's gatekeeping of LTR/Marriage. The reason so many women are going to stay single; is because the crazies ruined it for everyone else. No man with 2 braincells to rub together would EVER enter into a legally binding financial contract with someone who is INCENTIVISED to break it. Even if every women WONT fleece you in family/divorce court, every single one COULD; And this isn't even accounting for the reality of the average women's promiscuity (gross) and universal divorce stats. Chivalry is dead, and women killed it. Invest in cat food stocks.
@@eduardofuentes4901 Why buy the cow?
It takes two to tango. If a woman doesn't have a man, it's because men are not interested in forming loving relationships.
Can’t wait for this ep to drop, all the clips so far have been fantastic
All I have ever wanted to be is a wife and mother, but I honestly don't know if I will ever date again. I'm 33, poor and single. What a slap in the face for trying to find love! I feel like such a fool for not trying to pursue a career first.
Income doesn’t matter to a guy. Just add to his live, bring him peace of mind through loyalty and trustworthiness, don’t let yourself go looks-wise, and be at least decent at personal finance. That’s most of the important stuff right there. If you want it enough, you’ll make the changes needed and dedicate the time to become the type of woman that a good man wants. I realize the pool is smaller when you’re older, but it’s not impossible if you start now. Not tomorrow. Not next week. Right now. I bet you’ll succeed if you put your mind to it.
Not all women who want to progress in their career and do not want children want ‘ fast cars’ ‘ Gucci shoes’ and ‘ loveless sex’. What an over assumption
Not all, nobody said "all". The majority of young women are statistically shown to be doing those things. If you're interested in your career but remain a virgin or have just one partner, good for you. You surely must realise you're in the minority?
@@dududu5189 Not a minority
I don’t know any woman who doesn’t want kids. The problem I see if every woman I know is successful, educated and accomplished, but trying to find a man who is the same is near impossible. Most single men still on the market have next to nothing to offer, so why have kids with a man with no income, no education and nothing to offer the relationship?
Stop acting like the average woman is highly accomplished and successful. That’s nonsense and the reality is that the average woman makes $40-50k a year and simply has a series of jobs rather than a career.
@@midatlantic09 So what? That money keeps her afloat by paying the bills. You men go on as if women get 40% discounts when purchasing stuff. We don’t
It’s funny because a lot of times, it’s “childless” when men talk about it and “childfree” when women do. I think it’s easier for men to say they want to have children, because they don’t physically have them and women still do most of the work raising those children. I think a lot of women are able to see the disproportionate amount of responsibility they would have as a working mother. Raising children takes a lots of time and money in a meritocracy, and if women are out-earning men, she needs to get back to work. Also the US does nothing to support women having children - no maternity leave and outrageous health care and child care costs. It would be interesting to hear about how the economy or a woman’s economic position could influence her choice to have children. How about the woman that can’t afford housing and are drowning in student loan debt? And what about divorce rates - now I’m going to be stuck raising the kid my husband wanted by myself!?
Divorce rates are shit because modern women are homewreckers. It's you who is filing divorce, no wonder men don't want anything to do with you.
Lady, it's not a flippant and easy thing for men to say they want to have kids. You're only going through 9 months pregnancy and then birth once, but the man has to commit to pay for atleast next 18 years raising that child. Most women end up leaving work after marriage anyways. It's common for them to do part time work or small business while the man brings the majority of income. Most men WANT to be fathers and more than 70% if divorces are initiated by women and further removed from the home and family by the woman + courts. there are millions of men across the world denied access to their own children. Don't blame all men when you're the one who who rejected advances from good men and chased the "bad boy" and now are left alone with a child because of your poor decisions. Take accountibility. It's commit fine if you don't want to get married or have kids but don't blame all men and assume we are all future dead beat dads when fact is fathers love their kids too and many men are good want a family.
Yeah and now you can see why many of us guys just want no part of that headache .
@@brianmeen2158 and alimony etc...
Yeah you might want to look at those divorce stats a little closer especially the no-fault ones. Women clean house with divorce and men always lose even with no kids involved. Until women rally together to get those ancient laws changed to be fair it's only going to get worse for women.
Cat lady life isn't for everyone. First, you have to love cats. Second, peace and quiet. Third, be able to handle their adorableness. Fourth, life is usually a little less stressful. As I said, it's not for everyone, but it's certainly the life I strive for!
I am curious why it's always cats and never dogs.
As long as it stays by one cat, hate to see alawys does pictures of animal crualty
❤ love this comment. Cant wait to have my own lovely cats
@@maam-yj8ph well, it's the peace and quiet aspect. Cats are more calm and chill then dogs, and require less maintenance in taking care of them.
I think these guys are misinterpreting. Since a lot of guys are saying they don't need either wives or kids unless women are both slaves at home and providing financially and taking all care of the kids etc, all the while devaluing women because when giving birth they are not actively earning money (and that's the only value most men recognize), women are just adapting. It's just too much for a single human, that's it. And I do not know many women who do not recognize the value of friends and family and supporting groups. They just go to women and to their mothers for that support. The men on the other hand complain of loneliness as they trudge on along the self-destructing path of devaluing and dehumanazing women. For every action, there's a counteraction. you can't put that much pressure on women for years, give nothing back, and not to expect smth to break.
I just had a heart to heart with a older relative tonight. I'm 30+, unmarried, no kids, and sometimes it hurts. My relative married very young, is still married 40+ years later, had kids and now has grandchildren. She told me what gives her purpose is her relationship with Christ and ministry. Not them, as much as she loves her family. She told me other things too private to share, but banking your happiness and purpose in family isn't enough.
Thank you, I needed that encouragement. Child free not by choice here
@@LittleMissHoop You're welcome 😊
Religion is the biggest cope
“I’d like to have a kid….of course, you have get a date first” - George Costanza. This line really spoke to me. After years of rejection and inceldom, you accept that you’re never going to have children.
And it feels good. More money and time for you
some people just can't live in reality both men and women alike are living in denial of their true sexual market value unless they're easily attractive.
@@nickc3856 never wanted kids, no cope at all
Being a single parent by choice is a thing. 🤷♀️
I am female myself and I will say just this: Men create the children, but it is the woman who eventually has to decide if another human life will enter this horrible world. I would like to see both of you gentlemen deal with that amount of pressure in your minds and souls for just 1 hour, let alone for the rest of your lives once the child is there. It's easy to idealize, but reality is something way different.
There is no horrible world westerner propaganda. The world is perfect, stop listening fake news
Imagine calling one of the safest period in the history of humanity a horrible world. Women really don't have courage or spine at all.
@@karthik197 According to your statement I can conclude that you literally have no awareness and real knowledge on history or even reality itself. I could argue on this further, since I majored in history, but I won't waste my energy. It's really sad that some people have such a narrow, subjective view of the world and those are usually the ones talking as if they were superior to others.
@@zerochill6451 make a point on how 2023 is a horrible world compared to the past 800k years. I'll wait.
i didn't know men had uteruses and delivered babies. wow, learn something new every day.
It's not choosing career. It's choosing peace of mind.
Its choosing to give up on family and focus only on yourself. Its sad
@@orderingfoodwgoogledoxesu3113 money makes me happy. Very.
@@orderingfoodwgoogledoxesu3113 yea, and women re to be blamed for this.
It’s not sad at all. If men want to abuse women and abuse their financial control and cheat then good luck. No one needs to put up w that.
@@AncientIntegrations 👏🏾💯👏🏾
I'm sure when they're 90 and on their deathbed, they will lament that they didn't spend more time at the office.
Betty white was 99
They won't lament having a lousy husband
Most won't reach that age. Plus they will most probably have dementia or some problem
We all make mistakes in our life and honestly u should not choose what other people's priorities should be
My friend’s mother divorced her husband at 90. After over 40 years of marriage. I think it was just a statement since obviously neither was gaining anything from the divorce. But it’s something that’s always stuck with me.
I'm french and there is a french historian called Johann Chapoutot who is specialised in Nazism, and he wrote a book called "Libres d'obéir, le management du nazisme à aujourd'hui", in English I would translate it as "Free to obey, management from nazism to nowdays". I thought of this because of what William Costello points out about the corporate language that she uses to talk about her experience. Language isn't neutral at all and using corpoate language to talk about your private life is a sign of having been profoundly imbued with a certain ideology. And other french philosopher studied the language of neoliberalism and it's fascinating too: Sandra Lucbert. Check it up!
That's interesting!
Most people think in words. Some people have no inner voice. I don't know how they think. Einstein said that sometimes he thought in music, which I have no concept of. I have had other people tell me they sort of thought using colors. But yeah, some people's ideology is written on their casual language.
It is best for the future of humanity and the world that humanity depopulates anyway to balance the effects of overpopulation.
I have had an amazing career but I was also very interested in being married and having a child. Pursuing a career came naturally to me but it was also informed by seeing my mom struggle in an unhealthy relationship with my father. I hated that so much that as a child I told myself I would never rely on a man to take care of me. It would have been nice to have had guidance to have a different take away. I will say that as hard as raising a child is, I tell my daughter and anyone who asks, that having my daughter was and will always be the best thing I ever did in my life. Material pursuits get old. A good comfortable life with time for family is better.
you may have become the man you want to marry.
So you are a single mom?
@@sagyobi "She" is a robot2000. "They" try to convince women to try to have their cake and eat it too.
Some of us are not into material things or money -- or children. It's not "Gucci shoes or babies" -- there is such a strong need in this community for oversimplification. Is it just too complicated for you to understand that I'm not interested in reproducing. Just not. That doesn't automatically mean -- anything else. It doesn't mean I'm materialistic. It doesn't mean I'm out to take over the corporate world. It doesn't mean I'm not feminine or a whole woman. It simply means, I don't want children as it's not for me. I'm a whole person. Women are human beings first and foremost and as such we each possess a unique set talents, hopes and dreams and most of all, interests. Interests that vary as widely as any other part of us. We are individuals. If I were the last woman on earth I might step up and make a few babies so I'd have someone to talk to, but honestly, the world will not otherwise suffer for the lack of my children. I promise. Relax.
@@abrajean9634 Your comment has been censored. I could read it in my notifications, but it doesn't appear in the thread.
Why are 2 dudes talking on behalf of childless women? Women with children sacrifice a lot because the American work place isn't supportive of motherhood at all, child care is expensive, and leave options narrow. It's really hard.... It's economics y'all. It Really is.
If I could offer some advice, it would be this: THINK about what YOU want out of life. Having children is not strictly good or bad, it depends on the person. For me, going childless is 100% the correct play, but that is only due to my particular set of goals and values. One thing I would suggest is to try being involved in the life of a child of someone you know (sibling, cousin, good friend), to see how you feel about it. Stay for the weekend and babysit. If you find this fulfilling, then this is a good sign that having kids will be great for you. If, however, you find this to be a chore, then that suggests that it is not the way to go. Given the magnitude of this commitment, it cannot be made lightly.
So who supports you in your old age, or illness. Someone else's children. Bit narcissistic aren't you.
This is good advice. I've never desired to give birth to children, and so far I haven't met a man who's triggered this desire in me, not even my ex-husband. Still, I decided to spend significant time babysitting my 9-month old niece for a good six months for the experience, and now I can solidly say I DO NOT want children.
If I followed your advice I wouldn't have had kids. I love being a mom, can't stand other kids for the most part. It's not the same. Not even close. I'm not saying you're wrong to not have kids. I'm saying this is not good advice.
@@dianaengland1907 What's better advice then? Just have a baby and then figure out if you want one? What if you don't change your mind? Do you just return them to the factory? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you're not 100% sure you want kids, DO NOT have them. If later on in life you change your mind, you can always adopt. Do not ever gamble with a child's life. That's insane advice. It's no wonder there's so many messed up people in the world if their parents went into it with your mindset. It worked out for you and you love your kids, but a lot of people don't and children can sense that ressentment and it can mess up them up for their whole life.
Why does he care if some women decided to have kids or not? Their choices doesn’t affect him in anyway. The world is already experiencing overpopulation along with severe climate changes, and we don’t need another billion kids. What does it truly matter if people decide not to procreate?
"Those trips suck!" Yeah, no. Traveling with your friends and NO KIDS is awesome. Traveling solo is great too. You can do exactly what you want.