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Did you know that in the 1960s, NASA launched a groundbreaking satellite that forever changed the way we communicate? Meet Echo; the weirdest satellite ever launched, and in this video, we'll unravel its incredible story and learn more about how Echo's technological advancements continue to influence spacecraft today.
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00:00 NASA's Project Echo
00:57 Testing Satellite Communications
01:42 Constructing Echo 1
03:47 How Did Echo 1 Work?
04:37 Constructing Echo 2
06:13 What we Learned from Project Echo
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I’m so old that I remember this satellite type It was visible without a telescope. There were no other objects up there like now Then later Telstar
all the time at night. This is the time of year to do it, even in a city you should see a few an hour. The first satellite i ever saw though was completely by accident, it was also in the middle of the day (about 2pm in the summer). It was an Iridium flare from one of their old satellites. It had cheese grater like antennas which were very reflective and when you saw one at the correct angle relative to the sun, it would appear as this growing white dot, suddenly flare up and be very clear, then slowly taper off and disappear back into the blue of the sky. You actually used to be able to look up when flares were going to be visible and where (they were coms satellites so they had a known attitude relative to the earth and therefore you knew where the antennas were pointing, normally there was a couple of periods per month where you could see them). Since then I've only seen one other satellite during the day (well actually it was a pair of them), i was just plane watching with a pair of binoculars. ISS is regularly overhead. Pretty easy to ID, does it look really really bright? Like more than Venus in brightness? It's probably the ISS.
I'm hoping they were satalites?? There was 2,then 1,1, then finally 2 more all so high they were little white dots. All on tge same flight path st sporadically spaced out, like tgey were in a line not together.. Anyone think they were satalites??
OK.
It’s nice to know that scientist have giant metal balls.
"I've got balls of steel!"
no way thats the top comment lmfao
Gordon Freeman ?
They have those "great balls of metal"
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It's kind of hilarious how the sun's heat caused the balloon to expand, but ultimately it was the Sun's solar wind itself that pushed them back into earth's atmosphere 😅 But I would definitely love to see a giant Balloon in our night sky anynight❤
Agreed. I would as well.
Would be good to know about their end as well
They were very bright and easy to spot. The local news gave times when they would pass over.
TIL You can get a satellite high with benzos and acid, no rockets needed!
Nowadays, you can see the ISS or the Starlink satellites 👍🏼
As a 6-year-old in 1957, I remember standing on our front lawn with my family to watch Sputnik-1 pass overhead. We saw what we thought was Sputnik, but I have since learned that it was so tiny it was nearly impossible to see. What we likely did see was the much larger third-stage booster that followed behind the satellite for a while.
They didn't use third-stage at the time. So it was just a core stage with a length of about 25m. For a comparison Sputnik itself was only 0,58m in diameter.
Don't tell us what other people thought. That calls for knowing the operation of their mind. And it's hearsay. You can only tell us what you saw or said.
The first satellite that I saw, was the ISS. One day, I saw a NASA video on how to spot the station from your backyard. I couldn't believe that you can see a satellite from the ground. So the next day, I woke up at 5am, and took my mom along with me. After waiting for a few minutes, I finally saw it! In fact, my mom was more enthusiastic than I was!! And ever since that day, she too became an astrophile just like me.
If you ever get into astrophotography, it’s impossible to go back 😂. The ISS is one of the hardest targets to image but one of the coolest things to see. I’ve taken images that have pretty great detail on it.
If you ever go to a dark sky area you will see manyyy more. There's dozens flying around in all directions every minute and it looks absolutely insane.
Same! even I saw the ISS but I used an app called ISS Live Now. It was saw awesome, and I realized the sheer size of it, being so much far away I could still see that spot and it was so fast too, disappeared within a minute or 2 : )
is the iss even a satalite
@@Blaze_GamesOFFICIAL anything that's orbiting something else is considered a satellite
The first satelite I saw was the Starlink satelite train. At that moment I felt like aliens were real and later that night I found out it was a satelite. It really insipered me, how humanity could make such a thing.
Yes! I feel like so many experienced the same with Starlink. What a feeling though! Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
And yet poverty is a still a thing.
if you stay in school you might learn why. @@TamNguyen-yk9mn
@@TamNguyen-yk9mn Even aliens using technology beyond our understanding would need someone to do the jobs no one wants to do. They would completely erase their slaves' personalities and thoughts, though.
@@TamNguyen-yk9mnand yet poverty is caused by not space programs but governments themselves
I recall seeing Echo as my first observed satellite. One thing odd about it was the fact that Echo would "Jog" slightly and quickly in orbit. I could discern this movement from the ground. VERY unusual to say the least!
As a child in Chicago, I remember watching Echo as it streamed across the sky. It was very visible, and light pollution was a lot less then. How much less was light pollution?? Well, walking on Grand Ave near Ashland, I could look up and see the Milky Way. I could even see the Pleiades. Also known as The Seven Sisters, which were used by the Ancient Greeks to test a person's eyesight. Yes, I knew that stuff at the age of 8. Much better schooling back then, that is for sure.
light pollution really is a shame, especially considering there is literally no excuse for 90% of it to exist.
being born in in 21st century, my one of the aims is to see clear milky way, still haven't seen it in full form.
@@aadarshktofficial That is sad. You have never seen the true night sky, with all the constellations. To get an idea, I suggest you go to the Adler Planetarium in Chicago and attend one of their sky shows. It is as close to the real thing as you will get.
Wasn't it about 1972 when Chicago switched to sodium lighting? I remember coming around to land at ORD, and seeing a perfect outline of the city, with sodium lights on the main streets and mercury on the side streets, but only mercury lighting in the surrounding suburbs. Light pollution must have gone up quite a bit then.
"Here's a useless fact about some random ancient civilization I know! School was sure better back then!" No, sounds like school was teaching you useless trivia.
Excellent! I loved how you kept the car from the iconic photo in the animations - nice touch! I was hoping for a bigger shout-out for the Holmdel antenna. Built specifically for Echo, they had a pesky noise problem that after lots of tries (including cleaning out all the pigeon poop in the horn) turned out to be the cosmic microwave background radiation. They got a Nobel Prize out of the deal. Echo was the gift that kept on giving.
A+ fun fact! Surprised that didn't get a mention in the video. I love finding out about the trickle-down effects of endeavours like this. Another example from today: someone in the latest video about the Brennan Monorail mentioned that Brennan's gyroscope tech even made its way into the ISS stabilisation systems 🙂
I remember as if it were yesterday when I first saw a satellite. I stayed up all night waiting for it to appear, I was checking an application to track it, thinking about how incredible the experience was going to be. When I finally saw it, I realized that we are nothing in the vastness of space, but it simply made me happy. To this date I don’t know which satellite was it.
The first satellite i ever saw was quite a few years ago. I went out camping with my family, and I stayed up late to look at the stars. Then bright pulsing light flew overhead, slowly making its way across the night sky. I don't know what satellite it was, but I've seen quite a few satellites fly over, because the small city i live in isn't very populated, so there´s not that much light pollution. I also live surrounded by 2 big mountains in the south andes, so whenever we leave town at night its easy to see the sky and lots of stars.
Very cool. I've always wanted to live somewhere with less light pollution to be able to see things like this more often (and more clearly) with the naked eye. Thanks for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
No what you seen was a ufo
@@JeffMcDuffie72MeridianGate I actually have an encounter i cant explain, but its not as interesting as other people´s. Basically I was in my swings in the late afternoon while my dad was comung home from work, and I was looking up at the mountains (we live in a valley so the mountains seem huge, so you can see the sun going down and it looks pretty cool) and suddenly a super bright flash of light appeared in the sky just above the mountain, and it looked like a tick symbol. It was so bright that when i closed my eyes i could still see the symbol. It could have been a meteor or a bit of dust, but like a tick symbol, it looked like it went down and then up. Still dont know what it was but quite cool
saw the iss for the 1st time while in a hot tub lol
If the light was pulsing, it wasn't an artificial satellite, but an airplane pulsing its beacon. Satellites don't pulse. They might change brightness if they tumble, but no pulsing. It was an airplane.
My first satellite was Echo 1 which was insanely bright. It was another reason why I thought the sky was great. I soon got deeply in astronomy and for good measure aviation.
Very cool! Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
I remember it too. After sunset, it was to see clearly in the dark sky. I was then a little boy and very amazed because it was the first thing to be seen in space.
I remember going outside to see Echo, maybe 1? Were times it would pass over a town after sunset put out by the AP, and published in local newspapers for a while? I don’t know how else we’d have known when to look.
@@billsmith5109at least where I lived the time and direction was published. We used to lay out on the beach to spot them. We didn’t have the light pollution as bad then, and the night sky was clearer.
@@Sherwoody Yes, you could see light ahead for every little berg for twenty minutes before you got there. Now it’s not dark in between. More houses away from town, and many rural ones have one or three large outdoor lights.
A while ago I got to see the space shuttle docking with the ISS. It was super cool to see the two dots moving right next to each other before they met up.
Wow that's on my bucket list now. I gotta find such an opportunity to see it for myself
@@stevenswapp4768You will never see that. News flash; The Space Shuttle hasn't flown in years, and will never again. Just saying.
@@Southwest_923WRI think this person was talking about a spacex dragon module docking with the ISS. I have also seen it, much earlier in the year. Yes, space shuttles haven’t been operating for a very long time.
@@Southwest_923WR I suppose I meant just the type of event itself. specific craft be damned
The first sattelite i ever saw was when i was observing the stars with my dad in our garden. I was around 8 years old. That was the same time i saw a meteorite. Moment i saw the satellite, i was amazed by how small and distant thing can be seen with my eyes.
It's magnificent to see things that revolutionised things we use every day. Thank you for showing us these amazing technical marvels.
Thank you so much for watching - I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
I vaguely remember hearing about this thing when I was really young (I grew up in the '60s), then didn't hear anything about it at all for years, never heard much details about it at all 'til now. So fascinating, interesting video all around, well done.
Thank you so much. I'm so glad you enjoyed the video and this little reminder of its existence haha.
I've never found such an amazing channel until now! Thank you so much!
I was 5 years old when we landed on the moon, so I consider my self somewhat of a space buff. That being said I never heard of this program, well done, and thank you for sharing it with us.
I read it as I was 5 year old when I landed on the moon😂
@@normalguy-gy3mn Oh. That was you. I remember lifting off from the moon and seeing this weird thing landing. Wow...
@@normalguy-gy3mn Me too! lol .. Actually I thought he was being funny and meant his family flew to the Moon, like one of those movies where a dad builds a rocket in his garage.
I remember seeing Echo one evening as it went over New Jersey. I had no idea the two Echoes were up there for over a decade.
Oh very cool! Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
Truly a balls of steel moment
I don't know if it was the first time I ever saw a satellite, but I remember going camping with my parents in France. It was such a remote area that you could see so many stars. And one evening when we were stargazing we saw a very bright dot passing over the sky, and my parents told me it was the ISS! I will never forget that moment.
The first satellite I ever saw was the older generation Iridium satellites, when those were still flying around. My dad would check online when a good one was going to pass over and we'd stand out in the middle of the street, probably looking like idiots. Seeing this small pinprick of light appear, flare, and then disappear as quickly as it came was utterly amazing.
Very cool and what an amazing memory to share with your dad! Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
N.A.S.A. got balls 💀💀💀
The man who thought of this really show his giant metal ball to the world
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Never knew nasa had *BIG METAL BALLS*
a literal echo
i don't get it
@@soisaus564, the echo bounces radio signals off of it just like how a real echo works
That’s the point of the name
Not surprising that NASA literally has *Balls Of Steel*
So well made and explained. Awesome work guys! Clea skies ;)
Ive been a fan for a while and i just realised your earth is actually slightly lumpy! Incredible attention to detail
"The first satellite you saw in the sky"? I'm pretty sure we all have the same answer for that one... Unless you were born is an observatory or something
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Ah! Yes, technicalities. Gotta love them. Lawyers do.
The first satelite i saw was the moon. Even though it had many craters, it was soo beautiful. It taught me that nothing is perfect. We have to accept who we are, and make peace with ourself. 😌
Beautiful. Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
Thank you sir for your reply. 🥺❤️
For me the first experience seeing a satellite... was years ago, when I and my sister was younger, we downloaded a tracking app and began looking the skies. Hours after when the sun was touching the horizon we get the amazing view of the ISS. Was a great day for us ❤
If you're born in 1966 and think you know it all .... Brand new input for me. THX !
Thanks for watching!
The lack of dalek joke here is disturbing
Damn, these aliens hates these scientists, scientist got big. heavy. metal balls.
Iridiums, old generation are probably one of the first satellites I saw, seeing mag 8,5 flares was simply amazing !
The first satalite I saw was the starship train not too long ago. I knew what starlink was at the time so seeing it in person was so cool just watching 21-22 satalites traveling 17000 mph in a train fromation was so cool too see.
BALLS.....
Never heard of this before, good work making a video on something unique
Superb... I never imagined this...
Ohh now I can see why people say nasa’s balls are made of steel..
😂😂😂
Well truth be known I worked at Bell Labs in Holmdel Nj back in the mid to late 80's (Internal Security) after military service. Great video lesson first satellite I seen was in the 1960s it was TIROS a weather satellite (local planetarium). And yes, I seen and touched the horn back then it's still their marble plaque and all. Thank you again for reminding me of a great time in life!
The first satellite I saw was when my best friend was visiting my grandmas house and we lay down on the grass to watch the stars and we saw the satellite moving and we both smiles and it was one of the most beautiful and magical moments of my life. And i would like to thank you for making the most amazing videos.
What a beautiful moment. Thank you for sharing and so glad that you enjoy the channel - it means a lot!
How have I never heard of these? They're awesome!
Agreed! Glad you were able to learn about something new today!
HOW HAVE I NEVER HEARD OF THIS
So cool how the simplest satellite teached us so much...
It's so cute seeing humanity taking baby steps
I remember watching for Echo as a kid back then. It was the dawn of the Space Age. Then much scarier was the Cuban Missile Crisis. Dad stocked the basement with canned goods as we thought we were all gonna be kissing our little butts goodbye!
the starship enterprise part was a good one hahah
The starship Enterprise part got me 😂👏 i was like huh? Lol great segway into your ad dude 👍💯
Haha thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
You had me at "big metal balls."
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The first satellite I ever saw was the International Space Station back in October 2008. Seeing it flyover my home early in the morning was amazing.
What a great memory! Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
I watched the starlink go above my house and it was AMAZING. It was like a massive train of like 24-40 satellites and it looked so cool.
The first sattelite I saw was Hubble passing over Brazil. Just before ISS, in same day! Amazing video!
Very cool! Thank you for sharing and so glad that you enjoyed the video!
I remember seeing it go by at night. It was so reflective the it 'glowed' at night. I was 6 or 7 and we lived in a litte town called La Canada where JPL is located. This sleepy little town is located in a valley near Pasadena. It was a low light town and had no streetlights etc. It was isolated from LA's light pollution so you could see the satellites, mercury and gemini capsules as they passed over alway near JPL! I miss those days.
the soviet union referring to the balloon as a "friendly sputnik" was so wholesome I'm ngl
I remember when we first saw Sputnik when I was 8 years old. At least we thought we saw Sputnik. But we definitely saw Echo as when the radio announced we would. Spectacular. The US was officially in the Space Race. Someone came to our Boy Scout troop meeting to show us the Mylar it was made from. I still enjoy staring at the night sky to find a satellite moving in low earth orbit. Or lucky enough to see Starlink or the ISS. We have come a long way from the Echo, but I still remember my first satellite.
I vividly remember going outside on the front lawn and watching for Echo I and II. They were plainly visible. Very bright and fast moving. Another even more fascinating event was their eventual destruction in the atmosphere. There was an AP news item published in the '70s entitled: "With a Wimper or a Bang?" The scientists were interested in knowing how these deflated satellites would enter the atmosphere. Turns out . . . they were a wimper. Drag forces pulled them down and there wasn't much visual evidence of an explosion or puff of light and dust. Went very sedately.
It's the most advanced probe there will be... awesome work guys... E.B.P. are next..😊😊😊 Linear to reflective tech..
I didn't know about Echo 1 and 2 and they turn out to help most, if not all, the satellites existed and still exist to this day. And I believe that they help develop the Internation Space Station, the first satellite that I saw last summer.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing and so glad that you enjoyed this video and learned something new!
Such a simple device that does something so cool
You got a new sub after this video. love it.
Thank you so much. I'm so glad that you enjoyed the video. Welcome to the community!
😀 wonderful episode!!!👏👏👏 I remember Echo 🕺🏼 that makes me really Old 😆 🐈⬛🐾👏👏👏👏
Thank you so much! I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
I remember my Father would get us up at 4:00 am to watch it going across the sky. It wasn't advertised at the time and no one in school believed us........ Until the local newspaper had an article about it......... This was back when ................. enjoy
The first satellite I saw was when I was at a sleepover at a friend's place and we decided to sleep on his trampoline the night. I'm not sure what kind of satellite it was, but it helped spark my curiosity for space.
8:21 that's cool. 💯
Ever since I known, learn this Satellites (Project Echo). I dreamed of having one.
Fascinating. I never heard of Echo. First satellite I saw was Sputnik.
Glad you were able to learn something new in this video!
As a fisherman who enjoyed night fishing, I was able to see many satellites at night, as well as other astronomical happenings, but I don't remember seeing echo, but I have seen weather and other scientific balloons used in the atmosphere research! And as an Amateur radio operator, we also have used the moon for communication via 'moon bounce'. It takes high power, large antennas, and sensitive receivers in order to accomplish the feat. But even Amateur radio operators have special satellites, 'AmSat', to experiment with, in low earth orbit.
The ISS was my first man-made object in orbit spotting! Such an awe inspiring moment to know there were actual humans inside that thing zooming across the sky as a kid.
How did I never knew about this, it’s so cool haha
1:17 "in the same way that light can bounce off a mirror, light bounces off mirrors, radio waves are light and so can be reflected" FTFY
Well I remember when i found out on tiktok that Starlink satellites are gonna pass above me real soon. like 10 minuntes before them passing on the sky I got that video recommended on my "For You" page. And so I immediately got out to the outside. And I was waiting, looking at the sky trying to figure out from where it will come out (the video on tiktok also showed what star constelations should I look at). And there it was - A beautiful line of glowing dots in the sky, passing faster than I expected. Just in that moment my mom came back from work so I ran to her car as fast as I could, opened the doors of the car before she could even turn off the car and told her "Look in the sky! There are starlinks passing by! She couldn't get to find them at first time but then when she finally found it, she was stunned as much as I was. She also tried to record that but she was kinda too late, but the view itself was enough for us I think. I will never in my life forget about this - it was really crazy and fun too see even tho it seems like I got really excited about some dots passing on the sky!
First the battleship in Chandrayaan video and now the Star Trek in this video . Your ad breaks simply keep getting better and better 😂😂 . Good luck to you and will eagerly wait for your next video
Haha thanks so much. Really glad you enjoy the content. I try to keep it fun and give you all a good laugh when I can!
@@primalspace no thank you ,for creating such awesome content .
The first satellite I saw was the ISS coming home from work. I hadn't thought about being able to see satellites with the naked eye until then, but I made sure to show people every time I happened to see it again when out with friends.
I have seen satellites in the sky all my life, but the first time I saw an iridium satellite momentarily turn golden in pitch dark sky of June 2012 was a sight to behold. For a fraction there I thought I witnessed a Supernovae, but when there was no afterglow that lingered, I thought it could have been an aircraft bursting into flames. But nothing seemed right. After hours of searching for an answer, I realized it must be an iridium satellite (which I did not know anything about at the time). Since then I have witnessed that beautiful splay of light a few times now.
What a beautiful moment and I'm sure something beautiful to witness as well. Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
Cientist really had great shiny balls 😂
3:00 you almost had me there for a second... ; )
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Definitely the most beautiful satellites ever made! Too bad no one ever mentioned them until now. I'm 47 and a half and I only found out these satellites ever existed right now, thanks to this video.
I never heard of this before. Fascinating.
Glad you enjoyed this one!
Never even heard of this before. Pretty cool 😎
wow as much as I know about space I've never heard of this project echo! Kind of reminds me of the Bigolo inflatable habitats.
So glad you were able to learn about something new in this one. Thanks for watching!
i actually never heard of this pretty cool the first thing was so simple yet effective.
Glad I could share something new with you :)
Wow fascinating. I have never heard of that project.
Glad you were able to learn something new in this video! Thanks for watching :)
I know i've seen many satellites fly overhead, but the first one(s) that were easily identifiable were starlink satellites, all lined up a few hours after they'd launched in the morning of that same day. My mom brought me outside after she noticed it, so I could identify it. Although starlink launches are routine at this point, I think everybody should still try and see the satellites in orbit.
It would be really cool if NASA did something like this today, even if it were just to stay in a LEO around Earth from a few weeks to a few months or for a long period of maybe 6 months, to a year or so. And since they’re designed to be so basic that they just reflect radio communications. This would allow Wireless Operators to use this technology to communicate around the world.
That’s right. Our universe is a torrid, and when we bounced radio waves off of the extremity of the torrid, we got a signature back - an echo
I'm rather young and was trying to get into astrophotography almost a year ago, (the weather and my longitude hasn't cooperated since then) and my little brother was coming out with me, because I found a lovely wee spot where you could see thousands of stars. We were walking there and just watching the stars when he noticed that some stars were moving parallel to each other at a constant speed. Starlink.
Between 1959-62 our family lived in NJ. I remember once my dad taking me outside and we watched a satellite fly over. I wonder if this is what my 8 yr old eyes saw.
I went out on a camping trip, and looking up there was dozens on these little star like objects zooming throughout the sky. When you get away from the city, its actually quite astonishing.
What an amazing memory to have! Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
Always liked this channel
A 9-year-old me was so fascinated by space after seeing Ariane in Paris and ISRO launches on TV. I planned to see the ISS, I stayed up the whole night with my iPad waiting for it but it never came true.
SPACE SHUTTLE WAS AN ACHEIVEMENT , EXCITED FOR TENACITY DREAMCHASER AND LOVE YOUR VEDIOS
Thank you so much! So many great achievements!
I'm 67 and used to watch the ECHO satellite nearly everday. It was almost as bright as the space station is today.
Very cool! Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!
We need another pair of a metal ball. *Pair of balls*
haha yes. yes we do.
How have I never heard about this thing before. Its amazing
me to😅
Glad you were able to stumble across something new today! Thanks for watching!
Operation Ben Wah...😁 Wasnt a satilite,but i couldnt believe how fast the space shuttle was moving. Actually saw ot 2x.
Radiowaves are just a type of light, just very low frequency compared to visible light, so it being reflectable makes perfect sense.
I have not seen a satellite but when driving home from work one night a meteorite came through the sky and instantly turned everywhere I could see into bright sunlight daytime and that lasted about 5 seconds or so before it faded back to dark ... talk about being scared out of your seat, I was so frightened that I thought a nuclear bomb had gone off I drove home out of my mind until I heard that this meteor had flown over 2 states that night
The first satellite I saw was the the ISS with a telescope in the mountains it was wonderful to see all the stars with a lil bit of human human ingenuity passing through.
Very cool! Thank you for sharing and good luck in the giveaway!