Your 8K TV Questions, Answered | You Asked Ep. 37

2024 ж. 20 Мам.
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8K TVs. How big does a TV need to be before 8K makes sense? Who is putting out an 8K signal? Where are the 8K TVs? Should 98-inch TVs need to be 8K? And - how about that EU energy regulation thing - are 8K TVs actually banned now? It’s 8K all day, coming up on on You Asked!
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  • I've just recently purchased my first 4K TV, gonna be at least a decade before I think about 8K

    @fishyjoe6470@fishyjoe647022 күн бұрын
  • Why is this not in 8k? Come on, Caleb. /S

    @Combba6@Combba622 күн бұрын
    • Send him a 8k camera and you will get it.

      @ParashMitra15@ParashMitra1522 күн бұрын
    • Do you even have an 8k display to even watch it in the first place?

      @frankderossi795@frankderossi79522 күн бұрын
    • Well played 😂

      @highdefnews175@highdefnews17522 күн бұрын
    • @@frankderossi795i always watch 8k content on my 400 dollar laptop 1080p screen! Just click on it in KZhead, easy!

      @christianj606@christianj60622 күн бұрын
    • They probably shoot with an iphone and edit on capcut 🪤

      @SeekoGT@SeekoGT22 күн бұрын
  • I'm still waiting for 4k on my sat TV !

    @0rickkathy0@0rickkathy022 күн бұрын
  • I like the thorough coverage of a single topic.

    @user-mr9yy3yf9q@user-mr9yy3yf9q22 күн бұрын
  • We can't even get enough bandwidth to reliably broadcast TV in real 4K after more than a decade, let alone 8K. Not gonna happen anytime soon unless things drastically change with data transfer speeds and bandwidth

    @nickrreese@nickrreese22 күн бұрын
    • 4K OTA broadcasts are no technical challenge according to the broadcast engineers I’ve been speaking with for the last 6 years or so. And Japan’s NHK has done pretty well with 8K live broadcasts (they look phenomenal). The real reason we don’t have it is corporate greed: Why have one 4K channel when the bandwidth can be chopped up for four 1080p channels running four times as many ads?

      @Caleb_Denison@Caleb_Denison21 күн бұрын
  • Caleb, you are the man..... You really know how to take a topic and make it enjoyable. Thanks bro.

    @randelldavis578@randelldavis57822 күн бұрын
    • He is the man when it comes to TV, hands down

      @MrLuis85698@MrLuis8569822 күн бұрын
  • WRT the "lack of 8k content" fact... It might be worth mentioning how big a file a 130 minute 8k HDR (Dolby Vision for example) with a full Atmos multi-channel lossless audio track would have to be... I don't personally know the answer or have the data to do the math but I believe it is safe to say that with only one language, no extras, and minimal windows a single feature film on CURRENT media would require at least 4 disk changes or flips... maybe even twice that when you multiply the number of pixels by the colour depth and then add 16 channels of uncompressed audio... Short of introducing another brand new device, and the inevitable format war the only real way to buy or transport a full fidelity feature film would be giant capacity thumb drives... The cost of the media is cheaper than it used to be but it's still many orders or magnitude higher than a pressed aluminum and lacquer sandwich that can be produced by the thousands in a press... I can't see a time in the near future where it would be worth streaming 8k...I have 1.5Gb dedicated fiber internet and I can clearly see and hear the reduction in quality of any stream vs a 4k UHD HDR disk. The streaming service would have to host much bigger files (4x or more) before you even talk about the fidelity lost in the bandwidth limitations or compression for transfer. Oh... There's also the fact that any movie shot digital is not shot at 8k anyway so an "8k" copy would just be an upscale anyway... and original "shot on film" movies would have to be scanned at 8k one frame at a time to be actual 8k... (and all the manipulation required to get an HDR colour grading and and the creation of a lossless audio track... Things move quickly so maybe it will be a faster transition but I will remain quite sceptical.

    @jamesrobinson1579@jamesrobinson157922 күн бұрын
    • To be fair, 4K blu-rays already support 4k@60fps video (ex. Gemini Man, plus it has some extras too), so an 8k@24fps video would only be about twice as much bitrate, and AV1, an even newer video codec, seems to be coming its way.

      @TheMamaluigi300@TheMamaluigi30022 күн бұрын
    • 8K Ultra HD Blu ray disc capacity will need to be 100GB to 200GB

      @RobertK1993@RobertK199322 күн бұрын
    • More like 400 or 500

      @JeremyFriebel@JeremyFriebel22 күн бұрын
    • 4 burays stacked atop each other with 5mm between each would do it ... Total height = 17mm or 2/3rds of an inch ...

      @systemBuilder@systemBuilder21 күн бұрын
    • @@TheMamaluigi300 yes, but newer video codecs can only do so much. an 8k video file, with all the same colour depth and whatever else, even with a codec that is 2x more efficient, will still be larger. Add the expanded colour data that 8k is supposed to include, and with the SAME compression 8k would be MORE than 4x the file size/ bit rate. so even with 4x the compression efficiency (a long way off, and will require a LOT of processing power to encode and decode) it will still be bigger.

      @PAPO1990@PAPO199021 күн бұрын
  • I only watch Seinfeld reruns on my 16K.

    @HelloFellowYoutubers@HelloFellowYoutubers22 күн бұрын
    • Best comment ever.

      @steveludwig4200@steveludwig420022 күн бұрын
    • lolol, that was funny indeed and spot on, economy of words so well put. I'm a Seinfield series fan myself, btw. Nice to see someone referring to that old masterpiece of a sitcom.

      @Sas-wk9lj@Sas-wk9lj22 күн бұрын
    • Impressive but how long will that really last? 😂

      @skoolboi9901@skoolboi990122 күн бұрын
    • your eyes can only notice 8GB of RAM

      @whiskizyo2067@whiskizyo206721 күн бұрын
    • I actually used to do that, now I watch MASH and Cheers in 24K (the industry standard)

      @michael-4k4000@michael-4k400021 күн бұрын
  • I think one other problem was how fast they announced 8K. That’s like buying a dvd player and then a few months later advertising blu-ray! When it comes to this market, you can’t announce expensive items like this too soon. TVs are long term investments. I laughed really hard when 4K content was barely a thing when 8K was being announced.

    @CelicaAutocrosser@CelicaAutocrosser16 күн бұрын
  • Caleb, thx for clarifying the 8k conundrum! Your video was fantastic keep up the good work!

    @paullamela@paullamela22 күн бұрын
  • This so feels like 3D TV's and content back in the day. The way things have been going so far, seems like widespread 8K is not going to be a thing, just as it happened with 3D.

    @ROMANERUIZA@ROMANERUIZA21 күн бұрын
  • The kind of PQ I'm getting watching this 'you asked' series on my 65S95C, I don't need 8k. Today's camera work is top notch, the lighting is perfect, the skin tone looks so natural and detailed. Wish all yt content was this quality as benchmark.

    @Sas-wk9lj@Sas-wk9lj22 күн бұрын
    • Let me know what you think of the LG G4 review video! We made some lightning changes for the A-roll and I wanna know how that looks for you! Also, shoutout Zeke for the color grading!

      @Caleb_Denison@Caleb_Denison21 күн бұрын
    • @@Caleb_Denison Sure, with pleasure.

      @Sas-wk9lj@Sas-wk9lj21 күн бұрын
  • I think there's a whole lot more to be discussed on this topic Caleb. Faux 8K content is coming sooner than organic 8K. AI upscaling is going to be the big push towards getting consumers to upgrade. I expect the marketing to shift from HD UHD etc to processing power upscaling tech and partnerships with Nvidia, AMD, and the big TV manufacturers. Content creators will settle into 4K and allow the consumers and their hardware/software to up res it. We haven't even discussed cloud computing being utilized by streaming services to offer a higher tier that upscales their content. Many will remember hitting pause to allow an online video time to load up for smoother, better quality playback. We aren't likely getting 8K content in physical media ever unless some niche tech emerges that makes it worthwhile.

    @mrnobody6548@mrnobody654822 күн бұрын
  • Excellent video and format. I love the singular focus on an important topic. Thank you.

    @SamW604@SamW60422 күн бұрын
  • love the new format 👍👍👍

    @kenmuchiri6283@kenmuchiri628322 күн бұрын
  • 4K didn’t really take off until HDR entered the picture (pun intended or not). I never noticed the resolution difference between a HD and 4K set without HDR content. So I propose that we need Super Ultra HDR for 8K that even goes beyond BT2020 colorspace. 8K must support 100k nits 😂 also. Of course I’m joking but adding resolution isn’t going to be a game changer just like it was for 4K. 8K needs more than just more pixels. It needs something that’s obviously an improvement over what many quality 4K sets can already do.

    @craigwhitcher9629@craigwhitcher962922 күн бұрын
    • Expanding the colorspace would be awesome.

      @willdejong7763@willdejong776317 күн бұрын
  • I honestly don't care about 8k, I want 16k TVs to watch proper IMAX movies.

    @ogremair803@ogremair80322 күн бұрын
    • Thank you

      @ptroy72blue@ptroy72blue22 күн бұрын
    • Only Trump can afford 16K TV his super rich

      @RobertK1993@RobertK199322 күн бұрын
    • I'll raise you too 24K

      @welshcaesar@welshcaesar22 күн бұрын
    • That will be the "gold" standard!😂​@@welshcaesar

      @joes3689@joes368922 күн бұрын
    • You're gonna need a 100 plus foot screen for 8k, 16k, or 24k imax. I think max standard is 18k, but whatever, its a heck of a lot of resolution either way.

      @michael-4k4000@michael-4k400021 күн бұрын
  • As always Caleb thank you for the direct, no beating around the bush answers. 😊

    @xc8i7ma3k28@xc8i7ma3k2822 күн бұрын
  • One of the advantages of 4k is that you can go back to catalog content shot on 35mm film and make the definitive release with resolution roughly equal to the original negative. That way you can match the new content you're mastering in 4k with beloved classics. Studios have been pretty slow to actually do that, but it's slowly happening. But you can't really do that in 8k. Only a very select number of older films and TV would see any benefit from an 8k master. Basically only 70mm epics, docuentaries shot for IMAX and Nolan films.

    @gblatt8472@gblatt847219 күн бұрын
  • Great video man - Cheers 👍🏻

    @socalnuck9762@socalnuck976222 күн бұрын
  • Wow 37 episodes already great job love these you asked videos always interesting and informative

    @watchcommander2012@watchcommander201222 күн бұрын
  • Best thing about 8K. It’s made my cheap outdoor Roku 65 inch TV’s come in around $250 from Walmart ♥️

    @The_GenXennial@The_GenXennial3 сағат бұрын
  • Another good topic. Thanks.

    @SeekoGT@SeekoGT22 күн бұрын
  • Nailed it, as usual Caleb. Great video 🤘

    @kez2252@kez225219 күн бұрын
  • Nice review keep up the good work

    @user-go5vv7ij5r@user-go5vv7ij5r22 күн бұрын
  • The 108' jumbo screen at Yankee Stadium is only 1080P, and NO ONE complains about the pixels. Unless you are so close your field of view would only take in a small portion of the screen.

    @michael-4k4000@michael-4k400021 күн бұрын
  • Thanks for an interesting 8K themed episode of You Asked! Well done!

    @LeezahB@LeezahB22 күн бұрын
    • didnt mention pc games

      @trauma50disaster1@trauma50disaster122 күн бұрын
  • Great breakdown, Caleb. Really helped illustrate how in depth of a question this really is.

    @StevenGladney@StevenGladney21 күн бұрын
  • Integer scaling of 720, 1080, 1440 and 4k content as well

    @staiain@staiain22 күн бұрын
    • That’s … never a thing you should do Pixels are not little squares.

      @whophd@whophd20 күн бұрын
    • @@whophd What are they, then?

      @willdejong7763@willdejong776317 күн бұрын
  • 2:20 Actually, way back in 1995, when Japanese scientists from NHK were developing 8k, they named it 8k Super Hi-Vision.

    @user2144@user214421 күн бұрын
    • I’ve lost track of all the Hi-Vision variants, since seeing them do 3D HDTV in Sydney 2000 Is their 4K one named something else?

      @whophd@whophd20 күн бұрын
  • Considering the quality of the latest OLED & MicroLED TVs on the market now and coming soon(Sony's recently announced 2024 lineup)8K is no longer as droolworthy to me. The PQ we have now and will be getting from 4K will keep 98+% of us very happy for the foreseeable future. At some point though, the major manufacturers will hit that wall and realize "Okay, we've taken 4K as far as it can possibly go, and sales have plateaud and begun to slide, so we're gonna have to make an industry push for 8K now." But we're at least a few years away yet, and none of them seem very motivated to make that push again. They've realized what Caleb said about the cost of 8K vs the demand and the availability of 8K content. When for now, the fact that the vast majority of people are content with 4K and the PQ of the latest TVs being what they are, there's simply not enough incentive for the industry and the public to make a major investment in 8K. If you already have one of those pinnacle 8K products, and at mammoth screen size, then you're sitting pretty with no reason to complain.

    @MrX-zz2vk@MrX-zz2vk20 күн бұрын
  • Really good video. Agree with the thesis 100%.

    @clubsobri@clubsobri22 күн бұрын
  • I have been in video production for many years. I can remember the day when I thought buying 1080 cameras should be left to Hollywood, and now my cell phone shoots 4k at 60fps. My... how times are changing!

    @brad_neal@brad_neal22 күн бұрын
  • I'm happy I bought my QN800A 8K in late 2021 once the B models were released - i.e., price reduction on the As! The upscaling is welcomed and the KZhead content that's touted as 8K (and even 12K) looks absolutely stellar. I "only" have a Samsung 65inch 8K, but it sure brings a smile to my face when seeing the highest def content out there playing on the screen. No complaints about spending the money on it.

    @DaveTinNY@DaveTinNY21 күн бұрын
  • Excellent video

    @AaronOfYell@AaronOfYell20 күн бұрын
  • Good information

    @timf6916@timf691622 күн бұрын
  • We are closing to the 10 year upgrade cycle weve been seeing for physical media. Do you think there will be an update? If so will it be 8k, or just higher bitrate 4k discs. I feel like regardless of content, someone like sony has to make an improvement atleast on disc file sizes, especially due to video game sizes balooning again

    @zip3704@zip370422 күн бұрын
  • Great topic! You've made a valid point about the Gigabit internet requirement for accessing 8K content, which unfortunately isn't readily available to many users in North America, particularly those in rural areas. The underlying issue lies in the inadequate internet infrastructure. Until Gigabit internet becomes universally accessible at reasonable prices, 8K TVs will remain primarily accessible to urban dwellers and affluent individuals. In my view, 4K resolution meets the needs of most users admirably.

    @babaksabri3352@babaksabri335222 күн бұрын
  • Agree 100%/Also just curious, would 5g Home Internet T Mobile/Verizon be fast enough for 8k streaming?

    @jaygraves2399@jaygraves239915 күн бұрын
  • Is it possible to have an HDR encoding on 1080p content? Say, if they used 100GB disk to store the extra hdr info. Or is there any hard wiring of HDR only to go with 4K? Wondering if they have to coin something like 'dynamic HDR DHDR, or Xtream HDR XHDR' with 8K to make the 8K media sellable.

    @Sas-wk9lj@Sas-wk9lj22 күн бұрын
    • You can put HDR in 1080p just not Blu ray and HDR content is 4K andb8K premium feature.

      @RobertK1993@RobertK199322 күн бұрын
    • @@cactusjackNV Well explained. Thank you.

      @Sas-wk9lj@Sas-wk9lj15 күн бұрын
  • Do the 8k TVs do a sufficient job of upscaling? YES, i would agree with your 98"+ screen size comment. If your looking at 98" or larger TV then it could be worth the investment, if the technology in the 8k TVs is going to hold up until more 8k content comes out.

    @milohajek@milohajek22 күн бұрын
  • i think the end game target is 16k/1000hz.

    @wh3resmycar@wh3resmycar22 күн бұрын
  • Great video as allways but iam still waiting for your review for lg g4 oled 🙏

    @khalidgamer2127@khalidgamer212722 күн бұрын
  • Good video. I am sticking to my 4k OLED.

    @ronjr831@ronjr83120 күн бұрын
  • Caleb I saw your Hisense U8N unboxing video, and that tv looks awesome. Can't wait for that review, I know that tv is going to be a major power house player for 2024 and 2025.

    @jessea.8772@jessea.877222 күн бұрын
  • I remember 20 some years ago seeing regular HDTVs being $5-6000 at Best Buy. Those prices really crashed around 2006.

    @jC-kc4si@jC-kc4si19 күн бұрын
  • My first HD tv was a Pioneer Kuro 50” plasma… I paid $5000 for that TV in 2007… I still have that tv and It still has absolutely amazing picture quality and perfect black levels… I was laughed at when I bought that tv… 8K is way ahead of its time.

    @dbrandon4528@dbrandon452822 күн бұрын
    • Please take good care of that plasma TV. It's a technology that has gone extinct. I can say without any inhibition that among all these technologies, nothing can beat its organic PQ, and viewing experience.

      @Sas-wk9lj@Sas-wk9lj22 күн бұрын
    • Give me some of what u are smoking @Sas-wk9lg. I have a pioneer elite plasma from 08 full 1080p cost me $11000 and it is and was a beautiful tv but can’t even begin to compare with modern Oleds and Qleds. They were great for there time but they sure arnt special compared to what they have now.

      @garrettstrutz7421@garrettstrutz742122 күн бұрын
    • Same thing, I am slumming with an 60" elite Kuro

      @johnhender@johnhender22 күн бұрын
    • i literally just gave one away :), a plasma i mean, seemed dull in my environment compared to oleds. was happy til made the mistake of trying them side by side haha

      @PazLeBon@PazLeBon22 күн бұрын
    • ​@@garrettstrutz7421Then you need your eyes testing. Still nothing to beat a good Kuro 🎉

      @stepheng8779@stepheng877921 күн бұрын
  • Requesting You to start including power rating of the TVs in your reviews. Will be helpful

    @Sky_Ripper@Sky_Ripper16 күн бұрын
  • My Canon R5c Camera has an 8K sensor and captures to several formats in true 8K. KZhead offers the capability and I can upload in that resolution. The problem is, you have to hope that the KZhead app integrated into the television supports 8K in order to view it because unless you’re viewing on a PC there really isn’t another option.

    @genxtechguy@genxtechguy22 күн бұрын
  • I’ve been wanting an 8k (pixel shifter) JVC projector for a while. But at this point I keep waiting for new models to be announced. What’s the typical time between new models releasing?

    @ryanfromtexas84@ryanfromtexas8421 күн бұрын
  • I think 8K as a video resolution only makes sense in VR where the content has to fill your whole field of view. I can already confirm you can very much notice the difference between 4K and 8K in VR180. It is extremely noticeable. Night and day.

    @MethosOhio@MethosOhio2 күн бұрын
  • Good one 😂 Caleb, but I don't think many of us hard working Americans get out as much anymore, so don't apologize, you do great research & provide awesome content.

    @milohajek@milohajek22 күн бұрын
  • We're still many years away from 8K being even close to relevancy. There's not even that much content that fully utilizes 4K yet and for the vast majority of people they won't be able to even percieve the difference between 4K and 8K

    @danishprince2760@danishprince276022 күн бұрын
  • Since you are doing a n 8k video, was wondering why you have not reviewed the 98" 8k you mentioned just before you left for CES? Been close to 4 months

    @steves4388@steves438821 күн бұрын
  • Qn900c to be replaced by 900d 85 inch this summer,,,feed it 4k and 8k u tube it’s amazing…😮😮

    @sparkiegaz3613@sparkiegaz361322 күн бұрын
  • I am still more than happy with my full HD 1080 Plasma. The LG 4K OLED that i bought a few weeks ago has gone back it developed a panel defect that was driving me mad, one half of the screen was darker than to other! My point is that i see little sense in buying an 8K TV when they have still not perfected a 4K TV that looks good with anything less than 4K. I had my Plasma next to the LG with the same HD content and the Plasma was far more pleasant to watch, the LG suffered from banding from day one that was just not an issue for the Plasma. I dread to think what an 8K TV will look like with even 4K content let alone HD.

    @Barbarapape@Barbarapape22 күн бұрын
  • Is it possible to upscale 4K content to 8K on such a tv? And what player would be able to that?

    @picodkhifi@picodkhifi21 күн бұрын
  • small correction. 720p=HD and 1080=FHD

    @meatbunftw@meatbunftw22 күн бұрын
    • Came here to say this.

      @cr4zyg047@cr4zyg04721 күн бұрын
    • Those distinctions were retroactively applied and I refuse to recognize them! Lol. Remember when 720 and 1080 were both referred to colloquially as “HD”?

      @Caleb_Denison@Caleb_Denison21 күн бұрын
    • @@Caleb_Denison 1080i was considered HD but I don't remember if 1080p was ever HD

      @meatbunftw@meatbunftw21 күн бұрын
  • How are gigabit networks priced over there? There is a $15/m flat fee for gigabit in Bulgaria

    @B0xER911@B0xER91121 күн бұрын
  • My local best buy had the new 8k Samsung model on display and it looked stunning when looking from a close distance; unfortunately it was twice the price I could get for the OLED flagship so I wound up going for the S95D instead. So price is absolutely an issue there

    @jkhmonkey_kfp_pentium_ii_cpu@jkhmonkey_kfp_pentium_ii_cpu22 күн бұрын
  • You should look at the Insta360 A4 camera. 360 surround video (and pics) PLUS 8K ....and even 11K mode. A lot of pretty cool features.

    @NetNathan1@NetNathan120 күн бұрын
  • from 4k to 8k is the very same issue, as it was "From FullHD to 4k" just a few years ago. And to answer the question "From which size can I see the benefit of 8k" you can look back to 4k, when people were asking the same about FullHD/4k. So if 4k starts to show at around 50 inches, that means that 8k will do the same at around 100 inches. And just as it was with 4k, I say one thing - the actual realm, where you see a huge (and a huge indeed!) difference, are projectors. When I upgraded from FullHD projector to a half-4k one (double FullHD pixel-shifted), the difference was indeed huge on my 150 inches screen. But since projectors are a very small market compared to TVs and increasing projector resolution is way more difficult, than for a TV, since the chips are so small, I would say that we might see 8k projectors at a time, when 8k TVs will already be a standard.

    @dunnst@dunnst21 күн бұрын
  • So I have a question. For people with light sensitivity, do modern TV's that push HDR brightness have controls to limit the highlights? I know it sounds counter intuitive, but if you have light sensitivity it can be difficult to deal with high peak brightness and pure blacks with quick scene changes.

    @BrennanMetzelaar@BrennanMetzelaar22 күн бұрын
  • One of the key special things about 8K displays is that they can integerly scale all of the mainstream lower 16:9 resolutions that have come before it, in both the TV and monitor space: 4K, 1440p, 1080p, 720p. I think all 8K displays of the future from today onwards, both TVs and monitors, should be engineered to properly display all integer scaled lower resolutions at proportionally and progressively higher refresh/frame rates. Even though 8K motion images will not be very impressive for a long time due to the huge frame and refresh rate demands of the 8K resolution, there are so many things still that make sense for the world to start transitioning to 8K displays as long as manufacturers engineer them to display properly the different combinations of integer-scaled lower resolutions/higher refresh rates.

    @edfort5704@edfort570420 күн бұрын
  • I think that just like any time the next step up in resolution is around the corner for the first few years only consumers doing their own recordings or watching their photos on the new high resolution TVs can make sense of getting one. Streaming in 4K in good quality is still difficult to get in the first place so I am not ready to jump on the 8k wagon for a long time

    @benhaze1010@benhaze101022 күн бұрын
  • Don’t apologize for the dad jokes - us old fart greybeards need to steal from all the sources we can.

    @fonkenful@fonkenful22 күн бұрын
    • Also, I’d guess that properly compressed h.265 is fine with 100M in 8k…

      @tokelahti@tokelahti22 күн бұрын
    • I’ll keep ‘em coming!

      @Caleb_Denison@Caleb_Denison21 күн бұрын
  • “The Struggle Bus”?! 😂

    @capwkidd@capwkidd21 күн бұрын
  • Thanks for making this in a way thats not down putting the whole thing like others have over the years. Bunch of problems with the industry not just the 8K side, most if not all years ago b4 covid said they would sell 8k at CES then keep putting it off each year I would say hey you told me would be for sale this year. Then I found it had more to do with HDMI thats a long story. Then the cost like you said and lack of buyers at that level. Now from what I can tell as well was told it seems samsung 8K is not true 8K, even the early ones people at samsung told me it was not and talked about how like jvc shift and how they are not true 8k. I just remember seeing 8k one the first times like 2013 at sharp booth with NHK I still have that video on my channel. It was one the best demos I have seen video wise till I have seen 16k. I say this so many times on videos, its more about the depth perception than resolution count. And how NHK pointed it out how thats the point of pushing higher then talked about 32k is more the stoping point but more for recording and screens would be lower around 16-18k. This was back in 2013-2014 who knows what they have in mind now. They wanted to do the olympics in 16k. Now jump to the chicken egg thing and depends on many things. Like look at movies theaters most didt even have 4k given DPC they would get was not in 4k and some didt have 4k projectors for years till past few years. So many parts to explain and even I dont know everything.

    @GoFastJames@GoFastJames22 күн бұрын
  • My TCL 75x925 8k Mini-Led. The replacement offers were only 4k Oledds. The 85" U8 Hisense replacement is a bland, textureless blurry picture.

    @s.crambling3795@s.crambling379522 күн бұрын
  • Beed to get rid iver all 720p 1080i tvs first..make 4k even more affordable

    @franklin5278@franklin527822 күн бұрын
  • What ISP still has caps?

    @B_Ahmed1234@B_Ahmed123422 күн бұрын
    • Crapcast AKA Comcast

      @szman167@szman16722 күн бұрын
  • Been using a 55" 8K TV as my monitor for a year and a half. Paired with DisplayFusion as a window manager it's basically like "spatial computing" the Apple Vision Pro is going for but with a physical display.

    @carlosdominguez3108@carlosdominguez310822 күн бұрын
    • 55 inch TV Movie and TV watching is to small.

      @RobertK1993@RobertK199322 күн бұрын
    • @@RobertK1993 nothing is too small,, it literaly depends, far more common to be too big :)

      @PazLeBon@PazLeBon22 күн бұрын
    • Sure, mayb for movie use case. But the statement that there's no 8K sources is false. My desktop is running at native 8K, and with properly scaled window management it's my favorite productivity "multi monitor" setup I've ever used. There's a few of us doing this and I really recommend everyone give it a try.

      @carlosdominguez3108@carlosdominguez310822 күн бұрын
  • Love the new hairstyle

    @darealkey292@darealkey29222 күн бұрын
  • my issue with buying an 8K TV is the codec support. You don't want to buy an 8K TV only to get screwed over when a new codec designed for high resolution content like 8K is announced and it requires hardware support. Before you know it, it becomes standard everywhere and you can't benefit because you bought a TV with a SOC that doesn't have the hardware decoding for it.

    @yourma2000@yourma200022 күн бұрын
    • Well that's silly, because you can always connect another device to do the decoding and feed the TV set the decoded 8K Signal. In fact, I'm using a Samsung QN900B, and my TV doesn't do any of the decoding. I have it connected to a PC with an RTX 4090 and my gpu handles all the decoding and AI upscaling. My TV is getting an RGB 4:4:4 8K/60hz signal.

      @badpuppy3@badpuppy322 күн бұрын
    • @@badpuppy3 But then you have to have all different boxes, sticks, receivers etc etc for handling UHD broadcasts and streaming services, more wires, more remotes, less seamless switching between services. I just want a TV that can support UHD TV broadcasts OTA, even if it means waiting for them to implement software support to receive the TV channels.

      @yourma2000@yourma200022 күн бұрын
  • I can see pixels on anything above 55”.

    @doriangray2347@doriangray234722 күн бұрын
  • Hi Caleb, I have an idea for a topic: OLED TVs/monitors. How long do the organic materials last, and should that matter vs VA/IPS based full array mini-LED TV's? Why do companies keep pushing mini-LED tech forward when OLEDs have better overall contrast and backlight control with self-emitting LEDs -- is it just a matter of cost or rarity of materials or the technology required to drive them? Why do many LED TVs consume so much more power than OLED -- is it because of the brighter output? If a smaller 4K OLED TV or monitor (say, under 42-inch) is dimmer because the pixels are smaller, and therefore less light can pass through, could it last longer than a large, bright 83-inch OLED? Would a company want to make a huge OLED TV that burns twice as bright but only half as long as a smaller set? (Sorry for the Blade Runner reference. I, too, don't get out much these days.) Thanks!

    @mchlhth@mchlhth21 күн бұрын
  • where do you find 8k content to watch?

    @mikemcdonald5147@mikemcdonald514720 күн бұрын
  • High quality 4K is already amazing. I suspect that I will never spend the extra money for an 8K TV, unless it offers something else that makes it better than its 4K competition. Actually, come to think of it, my projector supports 8K upsampling and I have it disabled. Yes, good upscaling can smooth jagged edges, but I have never even considered turning on my projector's 8K up-sampling mode. I watch my projector in native 4K at 120 inches diagonal from a distance of about 10 feet. With normal content the individual pixels are not visible to my eyes unless I get up and stand next to the screen. Did you know, Dune Part 2 was mastered in 4K? And it was shown in digital IMAX theaters at 4K. It might have been shot in 6.5K, and it might have been transferred to 70 mm film for the handful of IMAX theaters that can handle it, but my understanding is that all of the editing was done in 4K. Likewise, other visually impressive movies used relatively modest resolutions. Blade Runner 2049 was shot in 3.4K. The Grand Budapest Hotel was shot on 35 mm film, but the digital master was just 2K.

    @willdejong7763@willdejong776317 күн бұрын
  • Thanks very much for this episode. We are now and will never be in a foreseeable future situation able to have a larger display than 65". Done deal. Get a 65" LG C3 TV and enjoy it until the day we die. Easy - peasy!

    @rogereriksen2472@rogereriksen247222 күн бұрын
  • Eye-ronically 😂

    @jmanakajosh9354@jmanakajosh935421 күн бұрын
  • 4k is the sweet spot since I only game in 4k for pc gaming and I don't game in less than 4k on pc. I game in 4k for every game even when the graphics card struggles to play the games with decent frame rates. Even the current 4090 gpu struggles with newer certain titles of games in native 4k with ray tracing with dlss upscaling off and hdr. If pc gaming supported games with dual graphics cards with native 4k hdr with ray tracing and dlss upscaling off was supported. I would have bought and used 2 graphics cards instead of just using a single graphics card. The samsung odyssey g8 neo 4k gaming monitor has a 4k 240 hz mini led display with 1 ms response time and the modern 4090 gpu struggles to play games both at 4k and 240 hz. There are even some 4k tvs that have 144 hz and the games rely on very powerful graphics cards. With newer games there are games that are pushing what the current graphics can play with decent frame rates but struggle at the same time to even achieve 60 fps in 4k with ray tracing. For example, in native 4k crysis remastered with can it run crysis mode in every graphics settings with ray tracing always enabled, hdr always enabled dlss always off, v sync always off, motion blur off always, and ray tracing experimental boost always enabled demands every last bit of hardware. Since can it run crysis uses unlimited settings and is already struggling in 4k with the graphics settings that I have mentioned. With 8k it's gonna take a very long time to even have decent frame rates with graphically demanding games with the highest possibles settings with no upscaling being used at all. I always turn off dlss because it upscales the games instead of playing with the native resolution most demanding resolution. I never upscale games in 4k even when that means the games struggles to play because I'm going for the highest resolution that's available for the highest visual fidelity even though it's sacrificing performance and makes the game unplayable but the games look visually immersive.

    @OledBurnInKing@OledBurnInKing22 күн бұрын
  • When’s the Hisense U8N review coming?

    @jackwinston5647@jackwinston564722 күн бұрын
    • Caleb has had it done for weeks. Unfortunately every time he sees this question, he delays it a day. Won't be out until 2026 at the current rate.

      @gabrielpi314@gabrielpi31422 күн бұрын
  • Caleb, glad you called out the ridiculousness of bandwidth caps. It's crazy to me how many people under a certain age now defend caps, often repeating pretty much verbatim the ISP's own rhetoric for justifying them. I guess the natural result of a generation of kids raised on smartphones and their pricing tiers: they've all been indoctrinated to think of the caps as perfectly reasonable. ;)

    @supertrexandroidx@supertrexandroidx22 күн бұрын
    • Please show me the children defending bandwidth caps.

      @Wiredrope@Wiredrope22 күн бұрын
    • @@Wiredrope I've no need to "show you," that's just my personal experience over the years, from many discussions on various forums and online sites. It's called an opinion. Any time you get involved in such a topic, there's almost invariably people there going on about caps being justified because it's unfair to everyone if some greedy people are using "too much" bandwidth, etc. Granted, I don't take a poll to get people's age, and I'm sure some of the defenders are older and just have money to throw away, but I can't imagine that too many people who started out using the internet in their homes (over wired connections) and never had to worry about bandwidth caps, are the main group defending them. Also, you're the one who said children, I simply said "people under a certain age," most of whom are not now children. ;) Anyway, regardless of the age groups, it's a senseless to defend the caps, because the "scarcity" of bandwidth is artificial, created by ISP's that don't invest enough in infrastructure, even when being subsidized by government grants, and the caps make them a lot of easy money.

      @supertrexandroidx@supertrexandroidx22 күн бұрын
    • ive only ever heard crying about caps, not sure anyone has a reason to like them bar the company haha

      @PazLeBon@PazLeBon22 күн бұрын
    • @@PazLeBon No good reason I can think of, but I sure ain't imagining all the people I've seen defending them over the years. But for the record, I was never claiming that they were a majority, only that they're out there and that I think most of them grew up just assuming that caps are normal and to be expected. Competition is the best way to get rid of the caps, or at least get less restrictive ones, but unfortunately there's many areas of the country where there isn't any real competition. Where I live, my only choice for years was Cox, but finally about 7 years ago AT&T became available in my neighborhood, offering unlimited bandwidth, and I switched to them. (A lot of people did, but Cox still stubbornly sticks to it's monthly cap, so I guess they don't mind losing the business.)

      @supertrexandroidx@supertrexandroidx22 күн бұрын
  • I bought a JVC laser projector and the 8K facility was a bonus…

    @badgastein2@badgastein220 күн бұрын
  • I think the Industry is definitely ready for 8K TV's, it's been quite a while since 4K debuted. In terms of storing and transmitting 8K video, the world is most certainly not ready. But that's what upscaling comes into play, the processing power and development of AI for this specific task has caught up and is capable.. where as when 8K first was previewed the technology wasn't there to do it well enough.

    @samcerulean1412@samcerulean141221 күн бұрын
  • from a marketing standpoint 8K is easier to sell than 'better image processing'. But I think the industry needs to change from HD/FHD/4K/8K next 16K or 32K, to image processing. Move forward to Rec. 2020 colorspace, 14 to 16 bit color, 4:4:4 subsambling. All 'NEW' screens can handle the new image standard. So FHD below 50 inches, 4K up to 85 inches, 8K above that, 16K and 32K for large conference rooms or venues. Requardles of screen size, a Rec. 2020 bitstream can be decoded by the processor and displayed. Let's say the standard is a 4k bitstream, a HD screen downscales the image to HD, the 8K screen upscales to 8K.

    @robertbishop7078@robertbishop707821 күн бұрын
    • @@cactusjackNV meant to say market, advertise, upsell. People look for the best. 8k is better than 4k.

      @robertbishop7078@robertbishop707815 күн бұрын
  • Caleb, where can you get those awesome camo t-shirts from??

    @FLASHAHOLIC_TV@FLASHAHOLIC_TV22 күн бұрын
  • Another thing that would help 8K TV sales would be a new super highly efficient video CODEC that would allow the streaming (and storage/distribution?) of high-quality 8K video without too much more bandwidth than 4K (so a lot more people could use it). This might overnight change things, just as TIFF and JPEG did for digital cameras, and the number of video CODEC's we use now for 4K-and-under. I remember watching Apple Events in the late 1990's with QuickTime and probably a sub-2Mbps internet connection. Boy we have come a long way. But good video Caleb.

    @jeffreywoodin8549@jeffreywoodin854922 күн бұрын
  • How will streaming companies make economical the enormous file sizes that 8k videos would presumably be at some point in the future? There isn't a game changing compression technology on the horizon that I am aware of. Maybe the future will be physical media for 8k content? Or will it all be left to tv upscaling?

    @AaronGoodTimes@AaronGoodTimes22 күн бұрын
  • Buying an 8k now is a fools errand but when the upscaling advances that are happening are implemented in TV I can see it being viable although an Apu inside a TV will increase costs so maybe PC monitors will be there first since they will just use the PC GPU

    @Norxet@Norxet22 күн бұрын
  • Would 8k make sense because of better processing ability, if it has that? What I'm trying to ask is are 8k processors better than 4k processors, and would this future-proof the purchase?

    @steveyountz9184@steveyountz918421 күн бұрын
  • Hisense 100 u7k vs sony 98 x90l which is better ?

    @shanechesterfield6808@shanechesterfield680822 күн бұрын
  • How about having 4K TVs that support FRL6, first? What is the point of buying an 8K TV, when it cannot display 4:4:4, 12-bit images at 120Hz?

    @marshalmercer594@marshalmercer59422 күн бұрын
  • fine, but if there aren't any 8k bluray or physical media , im not interested - i still have yet to upgrade from 1080p to a 4k display. Also what is really the point ? nobody is broadcasting even at 4k, at most you will get an upscaled image , nevermind the same with 1080p from cable/sat , and im not even going to bother with streaming services and their variable bitrates at best.... so...again - whats the point ?

    @breadmoth6443@breadmoth644315 күн бұрын
  • Who has room for an 85 to 98 inch tv in the home? 🤔🤷‍♂️

    @DavidMander-rs4uk@DavidMander-rs4uk22 күн бұрын
  • On KZhead every video is max 2160p but that’s no 4K right ?

    @whatsintheboxx@whatsintheboxx22 күн бұрын
  • 8k projectors would be nice. As long they were affordable for the average Joe of course!

    @CasepbX@CasepbX22 күн бұрын
  • I'm waiting for those g4 and c4 reviews caleb.

    @ryanturner4644@ryanturner464422 күн бұрын
  • How about posting a chart which countries DO have a flat priced 1G wired internet connection as a standard procuct? I know a few countries…

    @tokelahti@tokelahti22 күн бұрын
  • Also being held form by the fact that most movies aren't even finished in 4k, let alone being captured over 6k.

    @makatron@makatron20 күн бұрын
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