This and That: 2021 World Championships Men's Recap (Nathan Chen, Yuzuru Hanyu, Yuma Kagiyama)
Todd Eldredge joins us to recap the men's event at the 2021 World Figure Skating Championships. We break down all of the action and discuss the performances of Nathan Chen, Yuma Kagiyama, Yuzuru Hanyu, Shoma Uno, Mikhail Kolyada, Keegan Messing, Jason Brown and Vincent Zhou on a special edition of 'This and That'.
Results:
1. Nathan Chen
2. Yuma Kagiyama (鍵山 優真)
3. Yuzuru Hanyu (羽生 結弦)
4. Shoma Uno (宇野 昌磨)
5. Mikhail Kolyada (Михаил Коляда)
6. Keegan Messing
7. Jason Brown
8. Evgeni Semenenko
9. Kevin Aymoz
10. Jun hwan Cha
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Timestamps 00:26 Nathan Chen 05:18 Yuzuru Hanyu (Quad Axel) 06:49 mentions Yuma’s reaction to his scores, back to Nathan und Yuzuru 07:20 PCS 08:45 back to Yuzuru Quad Axel, rewarding risk/ new elements 11:55 US Men - Who to send to Nebelhorn (Yaro, Vincent) 14:45 virtual challenger series continues? 16:32 Vincent Zhou ankle injury and alternates 18:28 Jason Brown (Quad) 20:08 mentions Yuma, back to Jason 23:47 Yuma Kagiyama 25:52 favorit short program and artistic field 27:35 Shoma Uno 32:44 Mikhail Kolyada 38:11 Kevin Aymoz 39:03 Boyang Jin 43:35 Men’s event - impressive last group 44:20 Olympic season 46:55 best spins 48:43 Keegan Messing 50:12 selection for Nebelhorn 51:05 Yaro (Todd’s coaching)
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Todd is such a good talker and really expresses what points he wants to get across, refreshing
He is great!
Refreshing is a really good word to describe the talk - exactly what I felt. He also has so much sencire respect to everyone
He would be a great replacement from Johnny W
Nathan falling was a blessing. He's been stiff all season and like he was stressed out. The SP as well seemed like he had too much on his mind and went into the 4lz slow, but with the fall he just let go and actually showed what he could do without worrying (and you can see the progress he's made while working full time with Raf, that 4S entry!). Raf also seemed to imply the win streak could also have added to his stress. Now he knows he can make a mistake, better here than the OG, and it's not the end of the world. Men's event was fantastic in general. Loved seeing how happy Shoma is skating now, Keegan, Jason and Mikhail were also amazing and Yuzu's SP was so fun.
Agree
Thanks to magic Nathan, my love for figure skating was rekindled again after more than 20 years of hiatus. Now I've been going back to watch his predecessors and found some of them , Patrick Chan and Alexi Yagudi, e.g., were truly respectable icons. I also started to watch other events like ice dancing and pair. Not sure how many fans like me Nathan has brought into following figure skating again.
Fantastic!
Nathan Chen has brought me back to watch figure skating too. He’s such an outstanding skater and a person as well ❤
Men's was my favorite discipline at this Worlds, hands down. Thanks for having Todd on, his insight is fantastic!
Couldn't agree more!
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Todd is amazing.
If you only look with your peripheral vision it looks like Dave is wearing some bagging shirt and extending his arm waiting for a hug.
I thought that at first too! Like he was in a big runway show!
I am actually wearing the infamous red tights!
Or he looks like he has wings 🦇 😆
I had to do a double take, and it kept distracting me throughout the show. Lol
Agreed!
Yuma's quads are like throw jumps.
He lands like a fairy! So beautiful!
He reminds me of a forest gnome or a little magician. He’s so delightful, & whimsical! He was an exciting, fresh face. So endearing!
Good way to put it!
"You can't win it in the short, but you can lose it in the short. I know that personally." Yes! 😭I remember Todd falling on his triple axel in the short and how sad I was for him!!
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How true, just think Shoma could be 3rd if he didn’t fall on 3A in SP which is his reliable jump. But his GOE on all his jumps are so low, as treatment he got with his PCS. What’s wrong with those judges? They are trying so hard to help Russian skater?
Freedom Life well shoma’s jump technique and landings are much worse than Yuzu, Nathan, Yuma, Mikhail, Boyang, Kevin, etc, so he shouldn’t be getting high GOEs. I thought the GOE on his 4F in the short was even very generous. PCS is another story, he obviously deserves high PCS but I did notice he does fewer transitions these days than 2017-2018 so that could be hurting his score
😭😭
I pray that Yuzuru Hanyu’s asthma will not happen again, and that he will be safe, healthy and happy all his life.
I think the discussion about if Yuzu can beat Nathan is past the point. He himself said it’s not about winning for him anymore. He’s won so much, why should he run after always winning if the odds definitely are not in his favour. He cannot turn back time and Nathan is so much younger it’s “natural” that someone younger will push you from the peak. And Yuzu has never resented that and was always just kind to his younger competitors because he values quality. He’s focused on his performance and especially doing that 4A... and I think it’s great. So when it comes to the Olympics, Yuzu knows that he won’t be able to beat a perfect Nathan, but Nathan’s not a machine as Yuzu isn’t one. It’s nice to have a bit of tension and excitement for the competition but I think it’s rather wise of Yuzu to end his career on his terms instead of hunting after a delusion of making beating Nathan his goal. It’s just everybody else who creates this discussion... it doesn’t really exist for the athletes themselves 🤣
Can't agree more!
👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏 well said! i hope their discussion will not makes this 'rivalry' story worst. Yuzu doesnt have to proof anything. History already made. Everyone has their own times and for sure nobody will be on top forever. Yuzuru have many glorious moment and achievement for more than 10 YEARS. Let see, how long nathan last 😅 By the way congrats nathan for the winning.
I just wish that nathan will fight to prove himself up until hes not ISUs favorite anymore just like yuzu is now
I just wonder where this pushing each other up will end because Yuzu is in a different league of his own at this point. Maybe Nathan's the same, just working hard for his own and not exactly drawing the energy or inspiration from Yuzu. While Yuzu used to be like this towards Nathan but not anymore. So it's like Nathan is just left at the top. Kinda felt that this time. It's like Nathan poured his heart out to redeem his title and present his program as challenge and Yuzu was just cruising on his own. Yuma is a great contender but it will probably take more competitions to level with him.
@@noniizainal3491 Nathan said he wants to take a break after 2022. You know what 'break' means.
Yuma has shown that you overlook or underestimate him at your own peril! He is both the future AND the present. He needs to work on his facial expression, but he definitely doesn’t need to work on his skating skills! He was possibly the fastest skater with the deepest edges of any of the men. And his cuteness factor is up their with puppies!
I agree. I think Yuma will take Nathan's place as the one to beat. Heck, Nathan should be watching out for him at the Olympics. I do want Nathan to have that gold, though.
@@trylogic4084 Yuma can probably win in Milan but Nathan's still at an undefeatable position. If Yuma wants to win, he definitely needs to land at least four quads consistently, and I don't see him accomplishing all that within one season. But this is figure skating, who knows what will happen.
@@liitbro I think Yuma can definitely add a fourth quad within one season. There’s video of him landing a 4Lo that’s only slightly under. I think he’ll have it in the program next season. But I think he would need five quads to be competitive with Nathan, and I’m not sure that’s possible by next season. Plus, he still has to work on his facial expression and performance ability. But we’ll see!
@@evanperilstein5308 Yuma was not clean with 3 quads at worlds or Japan nationals. He doesn’t have the tech to beat Nathan, and it’s a huge jump from 3 to 5 quads FS. Nathan was already doing 4 quad FS at 16 and added another quad when he was 17. I doubt Yuma is going to increase his tech even more rapidly than Nathan did.
@@bakedpotato6653 I said that Yuma will probably be doing four quads next season, but I doubt he will have five. That just seems unrealistic in less than a year.
Todd is always respectful about Hanyu, he is great. I loved how he said he'd give +5 GOE on Hanyu's 4A even if the landing would be terrible. I could feel the excitement in his voice. Well Hanyu is so committed to doing the 4A that I believe he got it already and he just wants to be comfortable with it or make it a bit more perfect. He already wanted to bring the jump to Worlds, but we know he is extremely perfectionist. He wants to land it to his own satisfaction, which means very high quality. Records may be broken but landing the 4A would be something completely different, a world sensation, I say go for it Yuzu!
Hopefully he will bring great excitement to next season!
I think so too. He has built up his body over the pandemic. Completely different from last season. So yeah, I also think he has already landed it, one way or another. I'm thinking the struggle comes with consistency, entry/exists and incorporate it to the program with the rest of the jumps. Yuzu knows everything he has done upto this point will be overtaken by Nathan or anyone. But being the first one to land a jump in a competition will be his and only his. I hope he perfects it in Olympics and lands it during the program, whatever happens to the rest of his program and jumps. Then maybe retire there like how Javi did.
He said in an interview for jp tv that he already landed it like once in 8 tries
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Dave and Jonathan!!! You guys are throwing the house out of the window with all these stellar guests!! Can't imagine who will you bring for ice dance!
Torvill and Dean?
@@schauspielersven I wouldn't mind Charlie and Tanith.
Ooh, it would be great to get Charlie & Tanith, or even Ben Agosto! All three are very articulate!
Hanyu said he “is not aiming for a Gold at Beijing or winning at competitions anymore”. The sole purpose of his skating (I.e., his life?) now is to land 4A at a competition and if the Olympics happens on the way, people might see him compete in it, if he qualifies(!). He said he “had practiced nothing but 4A, no other jumps or programs”, after the JPN until 3 days before he left Japan for WC. (He was going to stop that in February and shift his focus on WC but he couldn’t stop himself. ) He has been practicing as if his “life depends on it” and won’t quit skating until he achieves that goal, because he “would regret for the rest of his life” if he didn’t. He also said it was his original intention to include a 4A in Ten to Chi to, and he will continue it on in the next season. It’s because of this that he “isn’t sure whether or not he will go back to Canada”. As his focus is purely on 4A and to include it in Ten to Chi to, he wants the freedom to use the rink and audio all to himself, which would be difficult at CC. However, he also recognises the huge burden on his body and the needs for professional support in maintaining his health. He also said his 4A is 1/8 rotation short now, and definitely feels the improvement as he spends more time on it, which is why he is continuing his efforts.
One of the most inspiring things in figure skating is seeing amazing skaters like Yuzu working doggedly day after day to accomplish a goal. It is what makes them great. He certainly deserves to be the first to land that 4A.
and everythin that with asthma lol
I just want him to fulfill his goals & dreams and to be healthy & happy, he deserves it so much 💛✨
I wish him lots of success with 4A. His 3A is the best ever Imo so I can't wait to see his 4A. Honestly, he has won everything so I can see him not caring about competitions anymore including the Olympics. He is already GOAT.
@@kevinhsu8184 I remember he said at PyeongChang that his main goal was always 4A. I hope everything goes well for him. Yuzuru is an amazing athlete and he will always be remembered as one of the greatest figure skaters ever.
I hope TSL will become a more than hundreds thousands of subscriptions channel. So deserved! And so interesting to watch, from the foreigner point of view, such a classy and entertaining analysis, always!
Wow, thank you!
Russian news media sure listens very attentively to this channel! There's always a bit about what has been said on the TSL youtube channel, and how you guys are completely wrong because you're american and just jealous 🤣
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@@miriam3848 it’s not true 🌝
I am so thankful for the absolute insane work you guys do. I got re-interested in figure skating a year ago after finding this channel. Keep up the 11/10 work!
Great to hear!
I propose a guessing game, akin to guessing how many peas are there in a jar... HOW MANY VASES ARE THERE IN JONATHAN'S HOME?
The world may never know!
We should note how much better the commentary was on Peacock for this competition than that by the previous commentator. It made a huge difference to my enjoyment of the competition.
Mark Hanratty was very respectful, thoughtful and informative, unlike Johnny and Tara. I'm glad that Peacock does not have them as commentators on there.
@@jsc2606 No. Ted sucks up to Eteri too much and he isn’t critical enough. His commentary is toxic positivity.
Yap Sooooo much better
Mark knows when to be quiet and has a calm voice. The other lot are so loud and don’t stop. I don’t know who the non skating guy is but my god, all he talks about is points and numbers and scores eg ‘ 93 and change...’ ughhh. He sounds like he’s commenting on basketball. Ughh. He has the totally wrong tone for the sport. I’m so glad I have peacock. It’s almost unwatchable otherwise
Thanks Dave and Jonathan. Another great discussion! I love that skaters I grew up watching (Eldredge, Davis, Wylie, Mitchell) are staying engaged in skating and passing on their knowledge and expertise to a new generation.
Our pleasure!
You are spoiling us, can't wait to watch!! Loved your previous two recaps!!
Glad you like them!
You are really going all out with the guests this year, love to see it
I was absolutely STUNNED when I opened this and saw your guest. STUNNED. Todd Eldridge???? DAVE! You are amazing! I am such a fan of him!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Me too! Love Todd!!
that was an intersting guest to listen! Agree, considering the circumstances they've had, men did absolutely great! Thank YOU, TSL!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think for Yuzu, the risk for the quad axel depends on what his ultimate goal is. Is it more important for him at this point to win a 3rd Olympics or to be the first man to achieve such a technical feat? It will be interesting to see what he does.
I cannot wait to find out!
He said it is not his goal to win at Beijing.
He has quite clearly said that his one and only goal at this point is not to win medals, but to succeed in jumping a quad axel in competition...and being the first to do so. If that meant taking part in the Olympics to do that, then the Olympics would possibly be part of the plan.
I'm excited for Yuzu Hanyu to do quad axel with his satisfaction, but also kinda sad because he said that once he did it he will retire.
@@multifandom1379 honestly, I don’t know if he enjoys competing anymore. Yuzuru is a two time Olympic champion and we all know champions love to win. It must be hard for him to lose to Nathan by many points for several seasons. Yuzuru worked really hard and I think competitions may not give him the satisfaction that he wants.
Really admire your approach to analyzing the worlds - so thoughtful, so much work. All the recaps were great
Glad you like them!
Yay another recap thank you for all your hard work.
You are so welcome!
You really are spoiling us. Thank you very much!
More to come!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t wait for the ice dance special guest. My guess is Renee Roca?!?! I really have no idea, but please let her continue to work with Alexa and Brandon!
This was the best show yet! Thanks for getting Todd as your guest.
Glad you enjoyed it!
4th place... I'm so sad for Shoma! He's one of the most charismatic skaters. Simply adorable! 💕 Yuzuru is a genius and a legend! Yuma, oh God! And Nathan, well I don't have words... But Shoma is my little fighter and the one that made me follow all the skating competitions since the juniors and my favorite. I will always support you unconditionally! 💕🚜
He's my favorite as well! I read some translated interviews and he seems to be settled with 4th place. He said he needs a "normal" season to thrive. I wish him the best. He's already working on his new free.
Just think, if Shoma had nailed his 3A in the short program, he would have medaled above Hanyu if it had all played out the same. He seemed happy and content from what I have seen. He is definitely still in the running of the top men in the world
Shoma got a bronze small medal for the FS at least. Plus he looks so happy while skating now, it's hard not to root for him. He's doing well.
He is most beautiful skater, his SS and lines are superb. Also his musicality. He is a complete skater for me and what draw me to the figure skating. As long he is happy with his performance and have a long career, I will be happy watching and supporting his skating. Nathan can jump and win his medals, but does bother to attract me to figure skating. His figure skating skills hasn’t improved for last 3 years. His leg positions are hard to watch. It’s great he can jump well, but he hasn’t grown in his SS as he did in 2015-3016.
Thanks for welcoming Todd to this recap!
Our pleasure!
I AM SO GLAD TO SEE TODD! For the first time in forever, the Men's event was my favorite!
The men’s event is always my favorite!
Todd is so insightful! Thank you for this!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
JASON BROWN WAS AMAZING!!!!!
I agree!
When he stood up on his quad I screamed so loud my cat leapt out of my lap and ran into the other room. 😹
Jason Brown gave me chills. I loved both of his programs, especially Sinnerman. I am glad that Jason is keeping it for the Olympic season.
Jason is the modern version of figure skating of old. His opening and ending pose in the SP alone should get points LOL. These days, the transitions going in and out of elements look forced and out of place. Jason can do them without making them look like he's trying to accumulate points AND is so interesting to watch.
A beautiful skater. I can enjoy his skating with or without quads, actually no quads are needed the way he skates.
I love Yuma’s jumps. I actually keep going back to watch his two programs. I love how he opens his arms right when he lands. He does that for all his jumps. And I think he can potentially do a 5T.
It was terribly sad that Jin bombing cost Yan his chance at a home Olympics, when the latter basically did his job here. On the positive side, the Swiss skater Britschgi was very impressive, very nice triple Axel in particular, and this was the event of his career thus far.
Oh, no! Yan must be there!
Huh? I'd have thought being the host gives you a free entry.
@@edukid1984 During the Grand Prix competitions the host country can have three of their own skaters compete, but not at the Olympics.
@@etherealtb6021 I agree! He's such an artist.
Tbh, if Boyang doesn't get it together Yan might end up going instead of him.
Great interview!! I had no idea this was Todd's personality after seeing how intense and focused he always looked as a competitor. He seems super chill, charming and personable. I love hearing insight from skaters/coaches who are clearly also fans of the sport. Would love to see more of Todd in future
thank you for getting todd to be on the program!
You're welcome!
Nice to see Todd Eldredge on the show, guys! I always knew that Yuma Kagiyama would podium. Now he's a threat and a major contender for Beijing 2022. Don't forget that he had a stellar senior season - won two bronze medals at Nationals, won the gold at Lausanne 2020, won bronze at 4CC 2020, silver at JWC 2019, now silver at his first senior Worlds. Also, it's been said that Yuma is working on the 4F. I don't doubt he'll get this (and maybe even the 4Lo; he said that the Salchow and Loop are his favorite jumps) over the summer. I'll look forward to seeing him challenge Nathan and the other men. Also, I hope Yaroslav does make it to be part of the US Olympic team!
Glad you enjoyed Todd!
No offense intended, but I just find it so ironic that it's a jump that Yuzu and, in turn, his fans as well, have all become so obsessed with when there was always so much crying from them about jumps and quads in the first place. That aside, if this is Yuzu's goal, I say all the more power to him since he's achieved pretty much everything else already. Hope he finds whatever it is he's searching for. BTW, it was great hearing Todd's perspective on everything. Thank you for having him on.
Wow... best wishes for Yuzuru Hanyu ❓ OMG 😱😱😱
Todd is by far the best guest so far!! Never an awkward moment bc of some charged or controversial opinion, and he had opinions and insights about all skaters and aspects of skating. Really good, I really enjoyed his review of this competition.
Todd so right. Don't dumb down the scoring because one or two people far exceed the masses.
I agree!
As a big Shoma fan, I totally get the part about him being infuriating! ^^ Artistically, he's a delight to watch, so I really hope he can put everthing together and make a 100% use of his talent!
todd!! just opened and i already know this is gonna be my favorite recap of this event!
Loved Todd as your guest! Great commentary once again, tyty
Glad you enjoyed!
According to the judges, the "best" spinner in the LP was.....Nathan Chen with a total score of 13.61 for his 3 spins. Followed by Messing with 13.57, Uno with 12.94, Hanyu with 12.75 and Kolyada with 12.59.
He’s not the best spinner, but he is a good spinner! Nathan does everything with quality!
I swear isu is just trash 🤮, there won't be any figure skating clout means after yuzu :)
Wow all your guests for world's have been so great thank you!
Yay!! Been waiting for this!! Welcome to Todd!
Hope you enjoy!
Great to hear from Todd! Excellent perspective and insights on things.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent show...Todd is great and you asked excellent questions!
Todd is a great guest! Thank you!!
We agree!
Such a wonderful interview! Thank you, Dave, Jonathan, and Todd! Todd is such a great guy and honest voice of skating. Yuma is like a baby Shoma to me with the beautiful lines and jumps.
I have been refreshing all day!
yup, lool.
Yes, me too! So glad to see this video! Thanks TSL!
i love you guys, i really wait for this recap,, love from Indonesia :)
I’m here so early! Cannot freaking wait to hear this episode!
Enjoy!
Thanks a lot! This is a treat after treat!
Glad you like it!
Cannot wait to see who you have for dance. Thank you for these gems!
Zhulin would be a hilarious guest from hell
You're so welcome!
I agree with his take on Yuma. Also liked Avatar as music for the free. His performance had certain expansive quality, and reminded me of the movie when Jake was flying in the skies of Pandora. The choreography was very good. Such a talented young skater💖!
I liked Avatar, but why green instead of blue?
Ha-ha! Good point! Not sure about the green costume... Blue make-up on the body would have been hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
I heard that the costume (image of the forest🌲🌳) was Lori Nicole’s idea because She choreographed it.😊
He has a lightness about his skating. Need to improve his lines, specially his arms movement though. But bright future for sure.
@@TheSkatingLesson it’s actually blue and green
You guys are on fire. Great guests, great questions and discussion!
Todd was an excellent addition here - great perspective and thoughts.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yay Todd! And good to see you both on Monday. ❤️
More to come!
And I will be here for it! It appears that you are back at your place? I’ve missed that background Dave! Again, thank you both.
Thank you for all your coverage of Worlds! Both here and on CYA Live! I totally recommend joining TSL’s Patreon! I’ve supported a couple Patreons before but none give the amount and variety of content that TSL does! I’m a huge figure skating fan but you make being a fan even more enjoyable! Thanks to Dave, Jonathan, and Jenny! And of course Todd for being a superb guest!
Thanks for sharing!!
I am so glad you are enjoying TSL, Patreon and CYA Live!
So excited to see Todd Eldredge, one of my all time favorites!
Hope you enjoy it!
Thanks for bringing Todd into the mix. He's obviously been there and done that so it's nice to hear from his perspective. Can we have Michelle Kwan for recap for ladies Olympics next year???!!! I know it's a tall order but my god, wouldn't that be so great!?! Keep up with the great work guys! You guys are the best!
Would love to, but I don't think Michelle would be as likely to critique each skater. I try to find guests who are willing to be analytical.
@@TheSkatingLesson and thank you for that approach!
OMG!!! Todd!!! I feel like a boy band groupie!!! Thank you TSL!!
I love Todd!
I really in enjoyed this series of interviews Down to the brass tacks of the subject. And again Jonathan thank you for sharing your beautiful collection of stellar vases. Do you think you could end with a close up.
Glad you enjoyed it!
OMG!! Thank you for Todd!! Love him the very most!! Good luck to Yaro in the coming season.
Thanks for having Todd as Special guest. We love Todd and his contribution to skating. I bet if you ask Nathen Chen to be a guest sometime he would agree to join the discussion. Ask and hopefully he will?
Glad you enjoyed Todd!
"I bet if you ask Nathen Chen to be a guest sometime he would agree to join the discussion. Ask and hopefully he will?" Last time that happened, I found a lot of hate comments, so...
Wohoo! Love Todd Eldredge!
The best!
Yuma's reaction was priceless! Dave called it last year when he said Yuma could win a world medal. I love Nathan and I would love for Hanyu to win a 3rd Olympic gold, but I think Yuma might steal it.
I think he has a great potential to be a future champion!
About to watch, so excited!!! I'm making predictions, we'll see how many I get: 1. Not fans of Misha's costume change (whyyy it was so good before) 2. Interested in the Shoma/Stephane dynamic (him looking for permission before the fistpump was hilarious) 3. More Sinnerman love! (it deserves all the love!)
My favorite type of Breakfast when I know I have a new This and That episode😌
Enjoy!!!
Jonathan your vases are amazing !!!
They are!
Je veux pad être lourde à vous le rappeller tout le temps mais genre ... yuzuru les gens! Un miracle auquel on a l'opportunité d'assister ♡
I don't know if we will ever see Yuzuru land a quad axel successfully. But as a fan of him, I was pretty emotional watching him skate at Worlds. It's unfortunate that he couldn't skate his best in his FS due to his asthma. His gala made me feel like he knew this might be the last for him.
I think he will retire after the Olympics win or not. He's been a major force in the sport for two / three cycles and he deserves to do other things that bring him joy. I personally hope he does a lot of shows (if that's what he wants) and really explores the limits of what he can do creatively on the ice.
@@marycoyne1889 He said he won't stop skating until he lands the 4A. I worry about his health but I'm certain he knows what he's doing. Skating is his life so I'm sure we will see him skate in shows when he retires.
I honestly think he can. He just needed to decide what he should prioritize. And I think he has decided that it's 4A then retirement than more gold(s). I feel like the entire 2020 gave him time to think and reset. I saw a different Yuzu at JNats and Worlds.
@@pennyinheaven I really hope he’ll go for the gold. But well he clearly prioritize the axel.
@@TheFlowMind If he's gonna go for the gold, his body might not allow it. He has to skate clean and have more quads to beat Nathan, which is not exactly impossible but he doesn't always have the stamina to do it. He's strengthening it (successfully during pandemic) but it can only be done to an extent and he intended it for 4A.
Todd Eldredge should be an ISU judge.
He should!
Does Todd coach? I feel as though he would be a wonderful, wise, and patient coach.
@@marycoyne1889 yes he coaches. In CA I believe
As Alex said in his comments to the women's championship yesterday, if judges don't do what they are told (implicitly or explicitly) they won't be judges at the next event. We all know that, but sometimes do our little wishful thinking 😜
@@SkunkyLorrie He coaches @ Great Park Ice in Irvine, CA. He has been coaching Yaro Paniot since last July!
OMG! Todd! Dinner with Todd!
Enjoy!
@@TheSkatingLesson I certainly did! TY!
The major problem with shoma that no one points out is that he’s not the no.1 skater of his country. He never got the push he deserved ever since he could be a threat to hanyu. Everybody always talking about pressure as if it’s some negative thing only, but both hanyu and Nathan’s biggest success come from the enormous pressure they got, and shoma never get that. It’s an unfortunate situation but timing is never with shoma.
I think JSF did try to push him to succeed Yuzuru. But Yuzuru was just so good especially during his prime.
If Shoma were consistent, he would get a tremendous push. There are plenty of times that Yuzu has been injured, but Shoma has not risen to the challenge and captured gold medals. If he did that, the political situation would be different. This sport continually shows us that no one is untouchable, and certainly not forever.
@@TheSkatingLesson don’t you think Nathan is unbeatable though? The kind of scores he’s getting makes me think no one can touch him in the future.
Just look at all the hate mail he got from Fanyu. No, thanks. Let Shoma be his happy self. So he can enjoy the skating and stay in the sport longer. We as his fan get to enjoy his performance longer. No medals needed, as long as he is happy and being judged fairly. Not like in this competition. His PCS and GOE is artificially kept down.
@@triplea_qgb1963 I don't want to jinx anyone, but it is sport: there are mistakes, pressure, injuries, etc. In short, I do not.
I love his idea of giving bonus points for major elements which were done for the first time. This encourages some risk taking and we don't want a system which penalizes risk. Which goes back to my support for Trusova, in spite of her 2 falls in the free.
I agree!
Trusova’s horrific free shouldn’t have gotten her in the top 5, let alone on the podium. Justice for Kaori
@@user-gg9uu9kx9w we can't punish trusova for trying to do what Nathan has done. Why are female skaters punished for PCS when the men can land quads and have very little to no artistic elements.
@@Jeremy-wp4yh that’s the sad state of current FS judging system. It’ should called jump skating.
@@Jeremy-wp4yh then we should go back and give gold to Plushenko in Vancouver. He landed quad and lost.
Great to hear Todd’s insights and opinions...🙏
❤️ Todd!!!!! Amazing. What a delight.
Regarding that 4Lz in Nathan's short, and if he should change it... of course, the first consideration should be how he is going in practice with it vs other quads. BUT, there is also the aspect that it is worth making the statement with the 4Lz. I mean, if you are the king 👑, do everything like the king 👑.
These are the phrases thrown from the couch and break our artists and athletes. Not the “king” who did not fall, but the one who rose and completed his job with dignity. Shoma, Yuzu, this time Trusova, Nate, everyone fell, everyone rose and became even better.
@ Katya Lamb: these phrases may be what breaks athletes. That is why I said the first consideration should be how he does in practice, which of course includes consideration for his health. They also are what creates legends and the art is in the balance.
This comment aged well.
He is such a down-to-the-earth personality!
His skating was that way, too!
Great recaps! Let me preface this by saying that I'm not ashamed to be a hanyu fan - he brought me to skating the season before the 2018 Olympic season. The info I got are off of translations from the most recent Japanese interviews, as well as inferences I got from recent events. Home situation: he said, not great. There were recent earthquakes I think? Training situation: unsure. He said he had great insights while training alone, as well as more customized training. While also acknowledging that he lost a lot of essential help (? I can't find the word, but things that are accessible while training with a coaching staff). So in summary, he's still figuring out if he would go back to Toronto for the next season. (Personally I would prefer he go back to Toronto. Changing coaching situations on the Olympic season - makes me nervous. Just whatever expectations he has, just be honest with it to Brian and the team. I get the feeling that he likes being alone, but when you're alone without anyone to bounce ideas with/contradict you, your thoughts stagnate. He has to find the balance.) Jump situation: personally I believe him when he says/hints that the 4A is nearly competition ready. Fans also speculate that when in the middle of training quad jumps, he's been known to slightly lose the triple? And apparently, he trained 4A almost exclusively, to the detriment of the other jumps. Which, I think, is a reason to have an honest talk about his coaching staff, and that he has to go back. He needs people to channel the crazy into productive ways. Health: Japanese media confirmed that he had asthma attack before/during 6 minute warm up, tho he said it didn't affect him much. Also, apparently he's back in Japan. Negative pcr result. Will do 14 day quarantine. Sorry for the almost essay hahaha.
How long has it taken Hanyu to stabilize his 4Lz? It will take years to stabilize 4A for competition, if it’s even possible.
@@bakedpotato6653 to be fair he has had injuries which cause quad lutz to be difficult to do
I don't think he was ever comfy with the 4Lz. By now, it's probably a mental block hindering him from that. Unlike the Lutz, he's always performed the 3A well. Right now, it seems he has blinders on. And he's never been shy talking about it- he usually waffles about other technical questions about his skating. And what he said was, "I'll regret it for the rest of my life," if he never tried the 4A in competition. Tho truly, he should have tried the 5To (I think it's been said that it was more achievable? Don't quote me tho, I can't distinguish the toe frm the loop)
@@bakedpotato6653 Yuzuru has always been more of an edge jumper. He learned the 4Lz quite late, so I don't think that jump would ever be as consistent for him. Yuzuru also had two major injuries to his foot so there will always be some trauma.
Merci beaucoup
How Trusova got a component score of 66.34 but Chen only received 67.89 blows my mind. Just shows how political this sport really can be 🙄🤦🏼♂️
Agreed
How about Kaori’a PCS? Sickening.
@@freedomlife3623 💯 And don’t even get me started on Kihira. She was amazing. Guess you have to be Russian to make the podium. I absolutely love watching Shcherbakova, Valieva, Usacheva and Kostornaia skate. No question they are beyond talented. Just sucks that other skaters are amazing as well but don’t get the recognition for it.
@@mattbrohman3654 there are even arguments about how underscored she was..... unbelievable 🙄
@@chocolateperfume752 I believe it!
Jason’s GOEs should have been higher. 👍🏻👍🏻 on having Todd on.
Todd! I remember rooting for him in the 90s, glad to see him here. He talked about the balance between TES and PCS and mentioned something about the possibility of lowering the value of a quad in order to help the balance between the two. Maybe instead of doing that they could increase the penalty for a fall? A quad flip is worth 11 points, skater falls, receives -5 GoE and the mandatory -1 point. The skater still earns 5 points, which is only .50 off of the value of a triple flip. Now, we have skaters falling on multiple quads, but still receiving blind credit for jumps they didn't even land. It just seems as if the reward for quads out-weighs the risk imo. Yes, this would affect triples as well, but at least falls would be more detrimental overall to a program like they were under a 6.0 system imo.
I would reweight components to 1.1 and 2.2 for men and keep quads the same. I think it could help to achieve the same objective.
Todd. What a great surprise.
Are we seriously not gonna address that leather outfit ??? Yuzuru said his SP was a gift for his fans, it was a gift alrighT! He said i know yall missed my ass so here ya go my ass in shiny leather pants! We love a leather king! haha I know this is a serious competition but I am just so happy to see all the skaters, healthy and competing! Can't wait for Olympics!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I really hope Yaro makes it to the Olympics!! 🙌
He has a good chance!
Yuzuru hanyu, did amazing considering what he just went through, our KING
Yes, let it be. Don't dumb down the sport by lowering points for quads and etc. Exactly, why are they not giving bonuses for these special elements? Crazy.
Agreed
love to see Todd！
I skated two adult dance weekends at the Cricket Club in the mid 1980's. I'm not sure how much training was going on there at the time (Brian Orser was still competing). Not having boards was convenient for getting out of the way of other dancers, but you did have to pay attention not to skate off the rink. I also think there is only one skating rink there, plus another ice surface for curling only. I'm a bit surprised that they haven't added another rink with all the training going on there now.
I am sure I would get used to it, but it would freak me out at first!
Really enjoyed the previous episode with Elena Bechke, and I'm excited to see Todd on this episode. Hope all goes well for Yaro, and maybe we can see Todd coaching at the Olympics next year! The whole PCS debate aside, Yuma had a very impressive worlds debut and I look forward to seeing how he progresses. His father/coaching team are pacing him very well and I'm sure with age, he will refine his artistry/presentation. I really hope this outing for Jason has given him a confidence boost and he builds upon it for next season. Excited to see how Mikhail evolves next season, but he needs to stop looking at Nathan for costume inspiration. Here's hoping he get better costumes next season that complement his gorgeous skating.
I have not seen Todd for a long time.
Lovely to see all 3 gentlemen. Todd has grown into a DILF. I had a bit of a teen crush on Todd and actually saw him in San Jose a few years ago. I enjoyed Todd's perspective as a coach and a world class skater when he was discussing the outlook on the skaters as they prepare for the 2022 Olympics.
Todd: "Let him be that good!" Bravo.
In jumping only. Nathan’s skating skill hasn’t improved since 2017. He solely rely on his jumping ability and Lori’s cleaver choreography.
@@freedomlife3623 That is SO not true.
@@doctorjames7454 in my opinion only, if that will make you happy.
@@freedomlife3623 Lori who? He hasn't worked with her in years. How can one person be wrong about literally everything?
This is just “all Nathan”. 😏😏😏
The only thing needed for Nathan Chen to get gold in the Olympics: Show up
Ice is slippery.
That’s not how winning an Olympics works.
It will be great to see Nathan redeem himself at his second Olympics with a fully clean Short and Long programs.
@@Essylte That’s not a guarantee
@@Anthony-lh9kz Yes, that is why I said it would be nice if he could skate with clean programs.