This and That: 2024 World Figure Skating Championships Preview
This week, the top figure skaters in the worlds are in Montreal for the 2024 World Figure Skating Championships. Ilia Malinin, Shoma Uno, Yuma Kagiyama, Adam Siao Him Fa, Kaori Sakamoto, Loena Hendrickx, Amber Glenn, Isabel Levito, Madison Chock and Evan Bates, Piper Gilles and Paul Poirier and Deanna Stellato and Maxine DesChamps are headlining the event. We break down and preview the event on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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@@TheSkatingLesson yet you hated Nathan Chen costumes so much? You could be his brother from a different mother, rocket man part two
@@Jude74one thing is the outfit you use around your house, another thing is your costume for a FIGURE skating comp
@@nekohuntress99 hey if it was good enough for the bridge of the starship Enterprise it’s good enough for the Olympics.
@@Jude74the thing is, even if someone put a yellow shirt with stains that look like clouds on Nathan Chen [😂...😂] ... he would be Nathan Chen anyway.
Yuma and Illia have potential to be a great longterm rivalry.
I agree.
Jason doing show programs seems to have worked for him He was amazing in practice this morning.
i hope so!!! go jason!!!
He truly was !
Just in time recap! I'm hoping for a great event. Thanks guys for your insights!!
Missed you guys! ❤Good to see you both and thank you for this - as usual really grateful ❤
Interesting perspectives. Thank you.
I could barely hear Jonathan
Same - his audio volume is much lower.
So excited for later 😍 good luck to everyone ❤
As a skater, having a longer break beforeWorlds means time to rest and get healthy rather than churning out performance after performance. The stuff they are doing is massively dangerous and as an athlete, I always appreciated time to regroup and get healthy. The comments about Ilia being too technical are ignorant. He is only 19. Nathan Chen did the same thing and over time, grew as an artist. I thought the performances were incredibly uplifting and Ilia’s programming was absolutely mesmerizing.
Now I’m ready for Worlds. I hope Deanna has a skate she is proud of.
Deanna had 2 falls on her side by side jumps at practice yesterday. Maxime was consistent.
Lol. She better be respectful to Max
@@ArohaStillI agree. Max has had enough.
🕯️🕯️🕯️Deanna and max 🕯️🕯️🕯️
Cant hear you Johnathan
If Ilia lands his planned content, I feel like it would be undeniable for him to get the win and I also think it would be incredibly exciting to watch! If he isn’t perfect, I think it could be any of those top 4 guys. Sentimentally cheering for Shoma. Kaori has got it for the women, barring a disaster
Agree!
You were spot on
Go shoma❤
jason is making me so nervous saying he doesn't care about placement this year and how complex this year is and how much did he actually train? he was doing shows up until like a week ago or less lol eeeek he's still the only reason i'm tuning in but i want him to do his best still
This is probably his way of dealing with the pressure of the moment. Jason has always skated well under pressure, but I think this may be his swan song since he is making so much money in skating shows.
@@InfernoBLK72He said he'll take a break from performing next season and create two new programs. He's not going to retire yet. He thought about that truely, but after talking to his loved ones, coach, psychiatrist, and the federation, he decided to go on to compete.
Are they not showing pairs on US TV? It seemed that way on the schedule Dave posted on FB. At least it'll be on Peacock.
Just the long
I think Kaori is the best skater in the women’s event, but Loena’s programs are so much more entertaining it’s hard for me not to root for her. I have a feeling Ilia will win the men’s event because of how much his PCS and GOE increased between worlds last year and the GPF this year. I don’t really think this increase is fully deserved though. He’s improved but no where near the amount his scores suggest. I’ve never really enjoyed his programs besides the 4A.
Hopefully this break allowed Loena to work on conditioning.
I thought Loena has been injured so that opens the door for the US ladies to podium along with the S Koreans not exactly the most consistent.
Loena's now leading going into the free skate, I love Kaori but it'll be nice to see Loena win this year if she hits
AHHH PRAYING FOR ISABEAU AND AMBER🕊️🙏🏻🫡
Amber looked great at practice, but Isabeau seemed anxious.
Sounds like a Nationals repeat for Isabeau 😬
@@b.reamsnider1328 I really, really wish Isabeau would get a new coach. Her current coaching team isn't getting the job done. She really needs someone to teach her proper jump technique. I like Isabeau a lot and I'm sad to see her struggle. I wish she could go to Raf or Brian.
@@b.reamsnider1328watch her prove us wrong 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@mathilde139Isabeau is alway anxious when she skates but she had improved her jump technique. Amber has yet to have a clean skate.
Your Worlds Recap disappeared 😢 is it going to be reposted? I only got halfway through.
I’m going to put it on Patreon. People in the comments did not like it. I do not like where the sport is right now and don’t want to fake it for viewers.
Thanks for the reply! Honesty is always the best policy in my book, which is why I love your channel. Whether or not I always agree, you guys keep it real!
@@TheSkatingLessonwhere are you?
I think Loena said she's injured, so not sure how things will go for her. I expect Kaori to do well, but think that third spot on the women's podium is wide open. Enjoy being there Jonathan! I so wish I could have gone, but it was just too expensive.
Loena skated well in practice, including a clean run-thru of her fs, based on Jackie Wong’s practice reports. Hopefully she can reproduce that for the actual competition.
@@evanperilstein5308 That's good! I would love for Kari to win and Loena to get silver again.
Calalang Johnson retired way too early. This could have been their season.
Why did they retire?
Asking why the sound is low again for Jonathan. This is the second time. Just want to hear him. Thanks.
Jonathan's computer microphone (rather than his usual microphone) was likely selected. The computer can sometimes default to this, and you have to go back and "select" the correct mic. That's what it sounds like when one guest has RICH volume (Dave) and one guest sounds like they are speaking from the other side of the room (Jon). As someone who has podcasted for years, I can grant that it's not intuitive to check the other guests levels, but the host of the show needs to do that before the show starts being recorded. And the co-host needs to make sure a) the correct mic is selected and b) if that;'s not the problem, that his "input/output" volume needs to be much higher if the mic isn't directly in front of him. I'm sure they'll get it worked out.
How about a tsl subscriber gathering at worlds in Boston??
Make it happen David Lease. 😂
Something of interest to me at least- US Figure Skating had some sort of poll regarding who you are most excited to see- it included Illia and Jason, Chock and Bates and Isabeau. - results were on IG with Jason quite far in the lead. I get the technical content issues- still sending a message
Jason is the one skate I really want to see too - the skate will be artistic and I feel like I know him
Yes - there will be other skaters I will likely enjoy though no one beats Jason in the ability to connect on many levels. @@kelly9876
Need Gabi and Gui to make that announcement!
ijs has all but killed our sport. i don't even watch the ladies anymore which i used to be obsessed with, and when someone can win by 30 points because they have the physics to rotate jumps it doesn't make an interesting competition
Sadly the jumps are not even rotated
Well without the Russians that's not really happening. Kaori's last competition opened the door for others.
Does anyone see the latest video about championships? I didn’t finish it and it’s gone.
Wondering that too!
So strange I hope it can be put back up!
I’m going to put it on Patreon. People in the comments did not like it. I do not like where the sport is right now and don’t want to fake it for viewers.
@@TheSkatingLesson I'm sorry to hear this, Dave. A small but vocal few can ruin it for everyone 😔
@@TheSkatingLesson ok thank you
Ilya has been doing some great show skating. I hope he can bring that to competition. Hopefully they don't overload his programme with jumps again.
Too late they already did overload with six quads
Isabeau showed up in a whole new way. Her precision, the way she held things long enough….she is growing into her own in a way that made my heart explode. This is exactly what she needed to embrace the confidence and show up as leading lady heading into to Olympic season.
Diana fell and slid into the boards during the practice. You could see she was in pain. Her mommy didn’t show. Gleb seemed supportive.
I lost the after world’s This and That. I want to see it again! Where is the after world’s This and That.
It is on Patreon
I really hope Amber medals! She is definitely going to have to skate clean.
She has never skated clean??? I don't think I have seen it. Hard to do something you have never done before on a bigger stage.
@@ArohaStillI can’t see Amber near the podium 😢.
She has been skating really well in practice including the 3A
Honestly to me, the important thing is for both Amber and Isabeau to skate well, stay calm, and be HAPPY with their programs. I truly don’t think they’ll get that third spot back (hope I’m wrong though) much less podium. They have other issues to work through and the added pressure of the third spot is not helping. I love these ladies. I want them to have a positive experience here.
Dave - do you know what happened to Fran? She never posted again!
Are the new seniors coming until the olympic season?
So sorry you are leaving you tube I will really miss this show .
What??
I read that Dave was moving that show to his paid channel
@@lanerobson5530what’s his paid channel. Their comments on the world figure skating championships were so much like my thoughts. Where did they go?
Have they considered compressing the season? Currently 10 major events spread over 6 months. Too hard to hold peoples’ attention like that.
Tennis does it and it’s year round
The skaters need time to recover from international travel, not to mention the emotional and physical recovery needed after a competition, before building for the next one!
@@christinethorp3684 Agree to an extent. But if NFL players can handle the physical wear and tear every week and musicians can handle international travel and performing for 90 minutes then skaters should be able to handle a 3-4 month season. It is doable. These are elite athletes; not hothouse flowers.
I love Billie. I think I'd rather watch "No Time To Die" Bond program. But for Barbie, I'd love to see a medley featuring "I'm Just Ken" as the highlight of the program. I'd love to see J-L Baker in a full-on beaded neon pink tux costume? I would so love to see that! Fear / Gibson could probably rock a Barbie theme - Dance the Night Away, What Was I Made For?, I'm Just Ken too, but Lewis would need to adjust his hair/manscaping to make it work.
Well, I guess the questions about Ilia are answered at least.
Shumo seemed to have some issues with his rt ankle this morning.
What a pity😢. I didn’t know that…
Heard he looked great last night. I hope he is okay.
I do too. He would go up to the boards and shake his right leg and grab on to his right ankle.
so many problems with skating: use of GOE's, too much emphasis on jumping, cheated jumps; imbalance between points alloted to technical vs artististic; very poor judging by judges who have NEVER skated competitively
Really hoping that Shoma can 3peat at this Worlds 🥰
It will be tough with Yuma, Adam and Ilia - he could be kicked off the podium and he seems to have resigned himself to losing. But those 4 along with the unpredictable Cha look to be the podium faves. I don't think Jason has enough content especially doing so many shows to get on the podium short of some major melt downs. Remember and US nationals he barely was ahead of the rest of the pack.
It will definitely be tough and, unless Ilia messes up I cant see anyone else winning. But Shoma is such a complete skater I really want him to win, or at least finish on the podium. I appreciate that's not a given, but if he skates clean he has an excellent chance 🤞🤞
Queen Belinda not commentating 😭😭😭
I'm really struggling with Dave's obsession with Russia. They are not competing so please stop making them part of every conversation. YH has been retired for almost 2 years! Please can we appreciate the athletes who are there and their efforts rather than keep bemoaning the absence of others.
I am discussing why the sport has lost momentum.
@@TheSkatingLesson on this occasion maybe, but it seems like you want to put them on a podium to be exalted in almost every episode. Ofcourse you're entitled to your opinion, I'm just struggling to hear the praises of banned athletes being sung at, seemingly, every opportunity. It's also hard to know just how much they have truly added to the sport given we cant be sure how often they skated clean.
👌:exactly:too much of attention that is 🪦
I'm really struggling with your anti-russia comments. Russia has a huge influence on the sport as evidenced by a massive loss of viewership in figure skating competitions. You can pretend it does not exist, but it does exist
@@TheSkatingLessonkeep up the great work Dave. Most of us support whatever you talk about, and Russia has a massive influence on figure skating
Loooking forward to the men's competition, especially the Japanese men and Junhwan. I hope Camden has a great skate. Ilia is so boring but his jumps.can be amazing if he lands them cleanly.
I think LaLa will be the wild card
In what way? I don't think they can get past the Brits let alone Chock and Bates, Italians and Piper and Paul. Maybe they can move ahead of the Danadians.
I don't think LaLa will podium, but might upset some of the standings below it. They were improving every competition till they had to take a pause for injury. Now to a point that Dave has made many times, that momentum they had may have stalled. If they give strong performances as they did before that pause they have the ability to beat some of the other teams that are right below podium. Could they beat Fear/Gibson? Yes, I think they have the ability to. :)
…and that “ hanging out” just doesn’t bring intensity and/or excitement.
Team Yuma and Loena!!
Same
I really, really wish Isabeau would get a new coach. Her current coaching team isn't getting the job done. She really needs someone to teach her proper jump technique. I like her a lot and I'm sad to see her struggle. I wish she could go to Raf or Brian.
Too late.
Um...she won silver. 😅
Welp, Worlds has concluded for the 2024 ladies, and perhaps some people can start taking off their rose colored glasses -as it pertains to Amber Glenn. Big jumps and speed is a terribly boring combination, when artistry is practically non existent. I’ll never understand why the American crowd at 2024 Nats was so excited to back a skater who’s not even a little bit close to being the complete skating package. About Amber, I don’t care if she’s popular on Instagram, I don’t care about her sexuality choices (or whatever alphabet letter flag she wraps herself in). The Americans have had too many blonde power jumpers over so many years now, that it’s really boring. To be fair the non American skaters (power jumping/speed minus artistry) who have been winning everything since the Russians were banned, ,make watching figure skating feel more like a chore. Maybe now the only American figure skater with heavenly artistic talent, will get the respect she deserves. She just won the 2024 Worlds silver medal (deservedly so), she’s 17 yrs old, and deserves a lot more respect from those that were happy (at 2024 Nats), to see her crown go to Amber. Well, there’s no accounting for taste. Congratulations, to Isabeau. You may had to endure some physical growing pains, mental pains too at 2024 Nats, but you’ve since proven to the world that you are the best American figure skater, and you’ve proven yourself to thousands of armchair critics. Bravo! 🌹
Skating without the Russians is like the NFL without the Raiders.
And like the world without trolls
I miss the pairs but the reason the sport is in the state it is because of all the drugs and fake scores of Russian cheaters. They sucked the life out of it and people in other countries stopped spending on it.
Are the Raiders the NFL's dopers????
@@ArohaStill The Raiders, especially back in the 70’s were the “ thugs”. Everybody outside of their hometown fans hated them. But they were great for ratings. They are the “ villains “
Skating is way more interesting w the Russians. Especially pairs
The women s event was just terrible to watch. Whatta Boredom and horribler skating ( except 4 girls). Ilia malinin the best russian skater of all time.
Spare me the handwringing and whining from people that think Ilia gets overscored PCS… by 2022 Kagiyama already had practically the same PCS as Nathan Chen to like almos 9.5’s… And what is Ilia competing against, one thing is Cha or Uno who have actual personal styles but it’s lame and crazy to be annoyed by Ilia’s performances and be clapping like seals for Adam’s pantomiming to sound effect gimmicks and Kagiyama’s Imagine Dragons and that recycled Free Program music. Hope SLBourne gave him a discount bc even her can’t make that stuff interesting. Also, hope Chock and Bates have another fall but get a WR 🥇 regardless, whatever it takes to get ice dance kicked off from the Olympics 🤌🤞
Lol Yuma deserves high PCS
@@ArohaStillI didn’t say he didn’t… but him being overscored right off the bat is pretty undeniable. And his WCh 2021 short program is my favorite performance ever from him.
And Yuma and Nathan were both way overscored. They are not Jason Brown, Lambiel. Buttle or Chan. They are great technicians and decent skaters but it is ridiculous the overscoring technicians get.
@@skaterboy-cz9wjstill, Nathan’s PCS had been scored gradually higher over more than 5 years… Kagiyama’s PCS were arbitrarily bumped up higher arguably faster than Sotnikova’s
I was SO ready to 👍 your post until you dissed Chick/Bates. I agree on Ilia completely.
It’s hardly worth watching without the Russians competing. 🇷🇺
It’s not -stop whining 😂-if anything :it’s more joyful and relaxing
😂:ruzzian propaganda
What is up with these RusBots lol.
@@Jeremy-wp4yh😂:they are mad 👌
I disagree, we get to see quality skating without the "inflation", "technique issues (pre-rotation, and all toe jumps being "loops") and "doping". I think we've got the most interesting competitions now, we get to see real technique (Levito excluded, her jump technique is painful to watch), and great choreography instead of using the same choreography for 5 or 6 programs without changing anything (Tuktamysheva - albeit, she is my favourite Russian skater, by a long long way).
The yawns are exactly how I feel about this worlds 🥱
It actually has been very good so far. The top three men in the SP and then Deanna & Max in the pairs final - great competition.
Let’s go USA 🇺🇸 💪