Metroid Dread introduced new lore into the franchise, but like Samus Returns, it left us with some mysterious images giving us insight to the past of ZDR, that perhaps help show us the Chozo's plight.
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Something I noticed when replaying Samus Returns is that the statues that give Samus her Aeion Abilities bare a striking resemblance to Raven Beak. That and they give Samus the Aeion abilities Raven Beak uses in his boss fight. Just some food for thought.
Raven Beak's arm cannon beam
The only exception is that Raven Beak uses Flash Shift instead of Phase Drift. However, this makes me think of something interesting. Perhaps Flash Shift and Phase Shift are actually the exact same thing, just with different perspectives. Samus Returns depicts Samus' perspective where everything else slows down, while Dread depicts an outside perspective where Samus speeds up.
That is exactly how I see it as well.
Wow! That was a good catch 👍
I assumed the two types of statues represented the two chozo tribes. The classic statues being Thoha and the aeion ones being Mawkin given how warlike they look etc. Maybe aeion is just a Mawkin thing.
First, the drawing of the Chozo Soldier at 2:46 looks AWESOME!!! Second, the Chozo Archive showing Raven Beak destroying the first EMMI in Artaria could also take place after Samus fell unconscious in the beginning of the game. Her Metroid powers activated which caused Raven Beak to change his plans, damaging the EMMI and destroying the Central Unit so Samus would have a chance to fight back and get stronger in the long run.
First I’m glad to hear you enjoyed the artwork it’s just one piece of a greater whole that will be slowly be revealed with each video so I hope you look forward to it Second I do like the proposition you make and it was something I had input on when writing the script but the main reason we decided it happened earlier than the game is because perhaps thanks to this damaged Emmy is how raven beak was able to essentially view the data extraction we see an RK7 and learn about their functions. However of course the main issue this presents is what caused the central unit to be destroyed, some of us think it could’ve been Raven be trying to test out what happens to the robot once the computer is destroyed to see if they will still hunt down Samusr get damaged. Another detail that we noticed that make this one different from the others is the lack of a proper room you find it traversing the world normally without any of the Emmy doors so perhaps this one was a simple test that went wrong which may have caused in a disruption of the central unit as well Either way it’s not to disapprove your proposition more or less to clarify what the team who helped me with the feedback suggested and why we came to this conclusion
9:51 not just the DNA strand..we can literally see samus' face on the hologram above it
That was also my thought when I saw that
Oh yeah just a teeny tiny minute indicator but nothing set in stone (thats sarcasm if you didnt notice)
@@hibahhussain2944 Oh yeah, that takes away a lot from his point there.
I think archive 5 actually shows how Raven Beak rose up in the ranks of the Mawkin Tribe. If you look at the Chozo standing on the Corpius, his leg armor more closely resembles Raven Beak’s than that of the Chozo soldiers. This might be some kind of ritual that they use to choose a new leader.
That's a really interesting idea, because it implied that as soon as Samus stepped on the planet she unknowingly went through that exact same ritual by killing a Corpius in Artaria. Obviously it wouldnt have been set up or anything but it acts as a bit of metanarrative storytelling.
That Mawkin also has grey skin, which is something unique to Raven Beak. Most Mawkin, as seen in Archive 4, have a more Tiger's Eye colour to their skin.
Something I wonder is, since the dread suit, at least to my understanding, is the power suit in the process of "healing" after the surgery in fusion, it makes me wonder if Samus will ever go back to her original power suit, or if it will change into something brand new from how much her genetic make up has changed
Remains to be seen God I am guessing that it will more or less heal itself back into image closer to what we knew in the past according to one of Sakamoto’s interviews
@@TheOrpheon i hope it stays kinda close to the current design, truthfully, the dread suit is my favorite suit period, it looks less bulky and heavy than the original varia suit, while still looking mean and intimidating also unrelated but why is Samus never depicted with the gravity suit? like the games always say she was "at full power" at the start, yet that never includes the gravity suit, i can exclude it for dread because of the ending of fusion having samus in the orange suit, but its still weird
@@TokyoDrift456 the red and orange is just too iconic.
@@salsamancer I get that, it just makes me even more confused about the gravity suit, why is it always excluded from the monologs where Samus is at "full power" how the fuck does it work to allow Samus to ignore hydrodynamic resistance
@@TokyoDrift456 considering how it was portrayed in other M, perhaps its just a mode that can be switched off. The Varia suit is visually distinct what with the shoulder pads, Gravity is usually more of a color change.
Archive 4 is my absolute favorite, because it likely shows that not all mawkin were evil or power hungry, since the ones in the picture were likely being executed for opposing Ravenbeak.
I wonder if the Chozo seen being tested against Corpius could have been a young Raven Beak when he was still an adolescent striving to prove himself.
I think her DNA "awakening to Raven Beak's Mawkin presence" refers to what happened during their first encounter shortly before Samus blacked out.
It would explain why Raven Beak let her live he saw what happened and suspected she had further potential otherwise he wouldve just hauled her off to have DNA extracted by an EMMI and move on
11:17 this picture makes you think. You have Kraid, Ridley, Mother Brain and the Queen Metroid, all in such a gruesome aspect, kind of different from what we met them from the sprites in the games. Samus has fought ugly aliens that look taken from a nightmare hell. If the previous 4 games would be launched in precious detailed 3D like Dread, they would look absolutely terrifying. Then we have RB and I think, man, am I wrong to think that he could single handle each one of them?
I have no doubt Raven Beak could take on almost all of the previous antagonists. That is except for Mother Brain since it's uncertain just how powerful her hyper beam is. It may or may not affect Raven Beak. If he's immune to Mother Brain's hyper beam, then he wins easily in my opinion. If not, it might prove a little difficult or even deadly. Ridley and Kraid, even if they're (probably) sentient, don't have much at their disposal when up against Raven Beak. The Metroid Queen doesn't stand a chance. If you were to include the prime series, I feel Raven Beak could have some real competition.
I think the figure standing in the background of the take off sequence is someone entirely different, we don’t see anyone in the game hold a staff that had a pronged tip like that
I tend to agree. Raven beak has been show to be a long-ranged fighter at his base and a hand-to-hand when necessary. Unless there is something I missed.
It’s yet another one of the things we were considering in the script writing process but ultimately some other who help me out essentially also thought that it could just be the two horn on top of Raven beaks helmet of swords either way since we don’t have a closer image to it we can’t really tell hence our suggestion. Not gonna lie at first I thought it was a cliffhanger or sorts leading to a secret ninth archive but since it wasn’t the case and we don’t see any similar imagery to this in the game we thought it would either be yet another Chozo or Raven Beak himself
@@TheOrpheon if it's someone else we will learn it one day
@@TheOrpheon no it’s very clearly a forked staff of some kind. The way it’s presented with the lightning highlighting the figure’s silhouette, these pictures are all hand drawn, it’s all intentional.
@@see.eye.2361 We asked around and got mixed answers from different people
You know, I've always been confused about The Space Pirates. What makes them so different from normal pirates in space?
Their location
Not to sound racist, but they’re aggressive aliens. And they’re more on galactic domination than plundering *I THINK.*
They ARE the normal pirates in space
mother brain, probably
The Space Pirates in the Metroid franchise are an intergalactic faction around the same level of power as the Federation (at least, until Samus wrecks their shit multiple times), as it's implied the conflict between Federation and Pirates has been going on for quite a while, even when Samus was still a child. They probably do regular pirates in space stuff, hence their name, but they also seem to have territory, and a governmental structure, even before Mother Brain took control.
Concerning Kraid being captured by the Mawkin, there is some more fresco style art in Ferenia depicting the Maekin battling the Space Pirates. Since we see multiple clones of Kraid in Super Metroid and Zero Mission, my assumption is that the version in Dread is the original version, and that it's tied up to prevent capture by outsiders. That would make sense to me, since Dread's version of Kraid is much more savage than the other versions.
Did Zero Mission have a Fake Kraid? I thought it was just in Metroid 1 and Super, and was removed in ZM. Plus, the Fakes in Super were retconned to be much smaller than the original.
There is absolutely no lore for Fake Kraid, and as of Zero Mission, he only canonically appears once in Super Metroid, the same game with Mocktroids in Maridia, incomplete Metroid clones, and Kraid along with Fake Kraid are below the rooms containing them, I assume Fake Kraid is just a failed clone of some kind. But the main Kraid, the one in NES/Zero Mission, Super, and Dread, is definitely the same one guy. Raven Beak would have had to cut off all outside communication on ZDR, as any X mimicking a Chozo could have sent out a distress signal to attract a ship to escape on, as such, Raven Beak would have no knowledge of anything happening beyond the planet, until Kraid arrives, presumably searching for weapons on what appears to be an abandoned Chozo world from the outside, just like Zebes. Kraid is the one who informs Raven Beak of the current state of things, the extinction of the Metroids, Samus's Metroid DNA, the chaos sewn by the Pirates and Federation, its the information he uses to create a plan to take over the galaxy and bring his own version of peace to it. As for the paintings in Ferenia, the Space Pirates likely attempted to invade ZDR some time in the past, before Samus was even born, those paintings would depict such a conflict. Perhaps, instead of destroying them entirely, the Mawkin directed them toward their enemies, the Thoha, promising them that they would be a far easier target to pillage. Which would lead to them stalking a Thoha ship that makes a strange stop at K-2L, and well, inciting the events that would start the entire series.
I'm very happy to see this video now, since I finished metroid dread and I know all the spoilers so glad I can watch it peaceful
I’m glad to hear says at first I was a bit worried about jumping straight into a spoiler related topic but I wanted to take the opportunity to talk about this since it had me excited
I don't think the mysterious cloaked Chozo with the pronged staff is Raven Beak, he looks too different. Since I got Raven Beaks name half right (called him Bloody Beak long before Dread was announced), I'm naming this one Silent Wing. Let's see if anything comes from that.
I swear the Chozo names sound like surnames for D&D characters. Although to their credit, the Chozo translation of their names do sound more like actual names.
@@AzureMoebius22 it’s like how we’ve tried to translated non English names to English
Hi there you're right one of the chozo that stands in the middle isn't a chozo but let's say he's a shape shifter. And the guy at the top is a sniper bounty hunter. The electricity is another bounty hunter. I'm suprised you didn't check out the Easter egg chozo statue.
@@jackbrotwin What easter egg statue?
@@g.f.martianshipyards9328 dude really you guys don't pay attention to details do you. The chozo statues that are in 9 areas represent the 9 different bounty hunters that sa-x copy is going to have to fight. When you pick up the screw attack and the suits power ups mostly pay attention to the BGs bro they have alot of Easter eggs dread will have a 2nd act DLC I can feel it. Where it explains what happens before this samus shows up. And you will have to fight more crazy parasites creatures recreations. Trust its not over its far from it. They have more in store. I can feel it.! But yes on the subject of the chozo statues. Mostly look at how angry the chozo looks when you receive the power. Another hint.
I find it fascinating how well the Mawkin / Thoha differenciation fit inside the Metroid Lore. I think ever since Zero Mission this thought has been planted. (2 Different looking Chozo Statues, bearing a striking resemblance to the 2 different kinds of birds.) But then again, Zero Mission was the last game before Samus Returns, where they made this very clear, so perhaps it was even earlier?
Working on something along those lines, going over mysteries of the game and what new lore it could retro-actively added
Yooo I've been waiting for you to dig into this game
Me too. Because I don't have a switch.
Is it possible that the "secret group" within the federation from Fusion and Other M might be involve with the EMMI? It is a bit weird that the exploration robots are use as a repsonse of the x parasite video with the ablity to capture something with some tweaking. It is as if the EMMI were meant to capture the x parasite similar to the SA-X plans in fusion.
Wouldn’t be suprised they’d want the ability copying considering it’s potential and what saris has done with this in the 2d series
This was something we were debating when writing the video what the conclusion we came into is that thanks to Samus’ efforts in fusion and other M where are the Federation able to essentially find out the secret group and essentially take care of them. On the other hand the Emmys were designed to hunt down the X parasite because they were a threat to powerful to let exist and was this taken essentially bypass any issue that occurred in fusion where they had machines with biological components perhaps in a way thanks to Samus report. As for the DNA extracting abilities it’s probably another way that the Federation of found to essentially exterminate the parasites without having to use a metroid or even a simple as identifying if it’s a parasite and be able to terminate it with some other abilities which could be a result of the experiment conducted by the Federation has hinted in super and fusion. Either way if the secret group really the sign the Emmys then perhaps their objective would’ve been different and so would the story focus considering that they were sent in order to properly be able to safely fight the X persons which after almost nearly killing Samus and Fusion were deemed a risk even greater than the Metroids themselves and with these they would be able to fight the parasites if they appeared on another planet
It's a possibility? The EMMI were designed and built by Exelion Star Corporation for the Federation to use, and it seems interesting that the EMMI are able to mimic Samus's abilities. I have a theory that Exelion may be a front for the rogue faction after being found out in Other M and having to lay low. Plus they might have been the same people who developed Samus's abilities as downloadable data in Fusion considering their EMMI tech. It would be interesting to see what plays out in Metroid's future and if there's anything about my theory that ends up coming true.
Dread is one of those games that you know you will come back to. You don't know when, Just that you will.
I like to imagine that archive 5 is the chozo capturing Corpius with the help of another sub tribe on ZDR since Corpius had swallowed the Phantom Cloak Aion cube. The one for Burenia is then those Chozo being sacrificed to Dryoga since they refused Raven Beaks orders
Me waiting for the Metroid Prime Switch port: Hopefully it won't take half a decade?
I’m very excited to see what else you have to say about this game, great vid as usual!
Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it. I said happens in the next video I’m working on is going over a couple of details in dread the call back to previous games or add some more insight into their events in solving some of its mysteries. There’s a few stuff I missed considering how much there is packed into this game and how many new details some people have brought to my attention so perhaps it could be more than one video in the future hope you look forward to it
11:05 This conversation refers to the beginning of the game, when Samus has that initial flash of energy which is implied to kick-start her developing powers later in the game.
The dread experience is one you dont want ruined, i know cuz i played through it without spoilers and BOOOOOY its a wild ride
I think the Kraid we see in Dread is the very same Kraid in Super. If you pay attention to his death animation in Super, he doesn’t really “die”. He just kind of falls into the floor. It’s entirely possible that the Mawkin captured him, put him aboard one of their ships, and left Zebes before it exploded. As for why, I feel like they captured him to obtain intel on the metroids.
I was not expecting to hear Order Yet Undeciphered from FFXIV in a Metroid video.
Ah, i see you are a man of culture as well. The Orpheon is a HUGE FFXIV fan
I have to admit seeing the Chozo still alive and kicking fills me with a tremendous Worldbuilding Hope. The Metroid Prime Pirates are still my favorite since they have a character in these games. A character that I enjoy to read or listen to again and again, but this extra worldbuilding, the Metroid Dread worldbuilding is exactly what the franchise needs to grow beyond just Samus doing Samus things.
I saw you talk about this live or at least going over them and I was hooked on what you were saying
The quality content we all need! Gotta love me some lore. Just in time as always.
Congrats on the video! One of the best videos explaining Chozo Lore and Archives!
Thanks, it was fun to have people give me feedback as I made the narrative for the video and I hope to make more soon
I would like to note how Raven Beak defeated the broken EMMI. Raven Beak actually was not powerful enough to defeat it at first. He went past it, to the Central Unit. He then destroyed the Central Unit and took only some of its power. From this Central Unit is where he acquires his own version of the Omega Stream. He then uses the Omega Stream to get past the meltable barrier on the Central Unit's room's door (how he gets out without using the Omega Blaster to open the door? I have no idea). After this he attacks the first EMMI, melting its plating with his Omega Stream. Without the Omega Blaster, he does not defeat the EMMI, instead using his personal abilities to hack into it and the Central Unit. The main basis of this theory (despite what I have already mentioned) is that he actually uses the Omega Stream during the winged phase of his boss fight. You will notice when he uses his arm cannon to fire a stream of shots INSTEAD OF SAMUS RECEIVING DIRECT DAMAGE HER CLIMATE ALARM SOUNDS AS SHE IS BEING HEATED UP BY THE OMEGA STREAM. (Fan theories are welcome as to how he kept the Omega Stream after the EMMI was defeated) Thank you for your time. (Also apologies if Omega Stream is the wrong name)
Nice ! thanks also for using MMBN Ost!
Great analysis!
personally i think the archive with corpius in it may suggest that corpius was native to ghavoran, and was then taken to dairon, where his dna was used to create experiment no. Z-57. corpius may have then escaped to artaria below.
I've assumed the final one showing the ships taking off was Raven Beak seeing off his people while he stayed behind on ZDR to take care of things there. That final shot of ships taking off while Raven Beak stays behind in the background as a clue to what the future game might be.
Good video! Also, love the music choice. Azys La's theme slaps
All of Soken’s music slaps! I just had to add Azus La
Great video! I had realized myself the context of each of the Chozo Archives. But I didn't stop to think about the chronological order in which they occured, so that was a very interesting point of the video for me. I hope they continue having alive Chozo in future games, now that Dread finally broke that barrier for the series. Raven Beak and Quiet Robe were such cool additions to the Metroid cast (Raven Beak for next Smash pls!). I would love to dive more into the Chozo beyond their past and ruins. Hell, we need Old Bird in the games! The fact that both him and Grey Voice sneakily appeared as an easter egg on that one flashback in Dread, made me want him to have a proper appearance even more.
Can only imagine if other tribes exist elsewhere in the Galaxy, isolated enough to evade Raven Beak. I wouldn’t be suprised if they were gone, like the Metroids and X
I know you said u were gonna wait to make content on this game but ngl I was so eager to see the number one channel I think of when I think of Metroid content start posting content about this game
As a FFXIV player I just want to say perfect music choice starting at 3:37.
The Allagans always gave me Chozo vibes. The advanced tech of a ‘dead’ race, made many bioweapons, tech is hunted by the baddies, floating facilities, etc. So it felt fitting to add the song.
@@TheOrpheon Considering what we've learned of Raven Beak and the Mawkin, I can see it.
It almost looks like the Chozo without armor aren't Mawkin and are a completely different tribe, so it's possible the Mawkins attacked them or punished them (shown in 4), and them becoming defensive or proving they are helpful (shown in 5). In 5, the bird looks like he's shouting and it looks as if he killed the monster himself, since the Mawkins don't have blood on their spears. Maybe these Chozo were already here before the Mawkins came or smthn. Whether or not they are Mawkin, it's still unexplained and not in the game whatsoever, so it may be explained later but idk.
AAAAAA a megaman battle network theme in the background !!!! XD , Thanks for the vid Orpheon
Dont mention happy you enjoyed it. I always use the Mmbn ost cause I LOVE THE SERIES. Thanks for watching
Love these videos so much
Regarding the awakening DNA conversation, I think it's basically that Metroid were programmed by the Thoha to recognize Mawkin as their enemies. Thus, once the Metroid DNA within Samus came into contact with Raven Beak (aka the last survivor Mawkin), Samus started to transform akin to a metamorphosis like the Metroid would if they had encountered a Mawkin. And so, Raven Beak realized that if he spared her life, then he could clone a more powerful Samus instead, which is why he didn't kill Samus immediately in Dread but instead left to to live and continue to mutate further. Great video! I was wondering your theory about the "mother Brain central units" in Dread. Were they created pre X invasion? For what purpose? Or did Raven Beak create them only once the EMMI invaded and he reprogrammed them? Also, how did Raven Beak create the omega canons to destroy the EMMI? And how did Raven Beak get the hyper beam, lightning armor and beam burst abilities? He's such a mysterious villain.
Raven beak probably got them the same way samus does. By picking up an upgrade
@@robertwyatt3912 That doesn't really make sense here. They were only on SR388. It's true that Raven Beak has been to SR388, but seemingly only to eradicate the Thoha. I guess he could have found the Aeion abilities at that time, though.
@@l.n.3372 it doesn’t make sense that samus is able to use aeion abilities on ZDR either
@@robertwyatt3912 Well, the only Aeion ability that was shared is the scan pulse/pulse radar. Everything else is new on ZDR. And Raven Beak had the lightning armor and the beam burst from SR388.
My explanation as to why RB is using the aeion abilities from SR388 is the following: the Thoha on SR388 were working for RB or were his slaves for the sole purpose of extracting as much Aeion from living beings as possible to develop and enhance their weaponry/defenses. So, the deeper they digged to extract more and more aeion, the more dangerous the place got since that provoked the release of the X. The Thoha then had to solve the X problem by creating the metroids but in secret they made them see Mawkins as enemies so they would never be able to get their hands on them, as the Thoha probably knew how dangerous the Mawkin were. The weapons were developed through aeion and so the lightning amor, the beam burst, the scan pulse, the phase drift as well as the flash shift and the phantom cloak were born. Raven Beak just took all that research regarding Aeion on SR388 for himself and his tribe. That is my interpretation.
Been waiting for this!!!!!
I love the Custom Robo music!
I stumbled here for the Metroid content (obviously), but I'm gonna be honest, using Battle Network 4 music in the background is such a power move that I am waaaay more interested in this channel now.
It’s not always about the power raven beak. It’s about the Mets come on baby love the Mets let’s get a home run wooooo
with its animation style its a good bridge between the 2d and 3d games. and they have had plenty of experience with both that would give them lots of potential for future games
Order Yet Undeciphered? You have excellent taste in music 👌
I think the DNA to reprogram the EMMIs actually came from when they did the chozo DNA transfer, it just makes more sense imo
Quiet Robe says ZDR descended into chaos following the X infestation, seemingly implying that they spread further across the planet instead of just being immediately sealed in Elun. This also makes sense as we see a few parts of the world damaged in the game and it gives Raven Beak a reason to stay out of the story long enough for Samus to exterminate the Metroids on SR388. Just one question: If the X spread further out of Elun, how the hell did Raven Beak manage to contain them? The best guess I have is that he used a technology similar to what makes the Power Bombs pull X towards their center after exploding. Maybe they'll add more to this story in the future and explain how he did it.
Archives show what seems to be that Elun was a barracks where the X made its reveal. It sent the planet into chaos because it was spreading and the damage is mostly seen in Elun/parts of Ferenia, implying they didnt get far. This can lead us to believe it was a ‘figure of speech’ and that RB later cut iff Elun from Ferenia when you look at the destruction found south-west of the map’s backgrounds
Never did I think I would ever hear "bird magic" being used as a language, or that it's pronounceable to humans (albeit the one we've seen do that has already been infused with bird magic, so...).
All this Anthony footage makes me want you to make a video on him.
I loved unlocking these things. I love the flavor it adds to the backstory of Dread. Just quick thoughts from me regarding them. Artaria: I love that Raven Beak just looks at E.M.M.I.01P looking unimpressed but intrigued by the defeated bot while holding its disconnected limb. Cataris: The amount of effort those Chozo Soldiers put into containing Kraid is astounding although I'd hate to be the one who fell of his arm to their lava death. Dairon: I found Quiet Robe working on Experiment No. Z-57 to be a little twisted but he must've only done it so that Raven Beak would spare him and I love its aggression it portrays towards its creator. Burenia: Using Drogyga for execution was very fitting but just the thought of seeing the event is rather unsettling especially with those innocent looking condemned Chozo. Ferenia: Seeing Raven Beak force Quiet Robe reprogram the E.M.M.I. from specimen collectors to metallic hunters made me hate Raven Beak and his tyrannical ways more than I did. Ghavoran: I love that it portrays a primal Chozo hunting a Corpius like creature in the jungle showing his difference to his fellow soldier brethren. Elun: Very unsettling that the X infected soldier just presented itself to Raven Beak and is more creepy seeing how he's rather unfazed by the gooey imposter. Hanubia: A mighty portrait that is a great indication of just how strong the Mawkin tribe is especially when being lead by the Elite Chozo Soldier.
Hey Orpheon!! I’m a new subscriber to your channel. I love your Metroid related content. While initial not apart of the fan base not having any games, as of Dec 25 2021 I bought Metroid Dread. It is my first Metroid game and I am loving it so far. I hope you make more high quality Metroid content. Also that’s not all, I’ve been also introduced to Mega Man Battle Network due to you using the music in the backgrounds so I have you to thank for both. I even made a original interpretation of what I think the Internet theme would sound like if there ever was a battle Network 7 on my channel. Long story short: thank you for you content as well as being the reason I’ve been introduced to 2 new game franchises!!!
Im glad to hear you enjoyed the videos and they were of some help to get you into the series, same goes for Battle Network which is a personal favorite of mine I have mentioned in some of the other videos (or hidden EXE) Thank you for watching and subscribing, the support means a lot and I hope I can continue to entertain you in the future.
I think the Chozo Archives are actually screenshots of the part of the lore dump by Quiet Robe after the part where he basically explained the chozo memories
Fascinating
I think it would be cool if you did a video to see who could win in a fight between Ridley and multiple species of Xenomorph, not all at once of course. (for full disclosure, Ridley would be the same height of his first game incarnation)
My theory is that Raven Beak had some sort of hand in the BSL Station. This is based purely on the fact that there's a Metroid breeding program there, and he at that point would be after a way to obtain them knowing that Samus has eradicated the ones on SR388.
Would the chozo even be communicating with other races by fusion?
Interesting that you believe the memories are out of order. That's a good interpretation, but I didn't have any issues taking them in the order given. With Kraid (the kraid? a kraid?) I'm on the fence with if there is some purpose or if that is just a fun treat for the fans. Also the cutscenes are great with how they depict Samus.
But there is a bit of a cliffhanger! There is a chozo ship missing at the end that had been there before going to fight Raven Beak
From what it looks like, in archive 2 that’s raven beak(?) unless all the other mawkin armour has the same legs on theirs.
I almost wonder if Experiment Z57 was meant to be a new/upgraded type of metroid since we see it's ability to sap energy during its boss fight. There's a decent chance it was created after Raven Beak heard of the metroid's extinction as a backup plan
To be fair I was considering the same thought for the long time but then a few members who help me with the details did point out that if the experiment wife intended to replace the Metroid‘s then Raven Beak would have probably just focused on making more of it since the planet seem to have enough means to produce the creature. If anything I would consider this to perhaps be another attempt to create the Metroid all together perhaps this way taking into account the evolutions so it could be controlled but maybe something went wrong and it’s why they discarded it altogether.
The mysterious cloaked Chozo with the pronged staff doesnt look like Raven Beak. Perhaps he will appear in the next game, since the airships were missing at the end. So, maybe they escaped? And the Corpius the Mawkin fight and defeat, i do think it is the experiment Z-57 (boss) and the chozo working on him, as it is shown on the background (12:32).
4:22 i think those are the Toha Chozo being dissposed of
We thought so as well in the beginning but then some people mentioned that the Chozo who were being purged looked way too similar to the ones in archive five and considering that quiet robe says that this planet is a Home to the Mawkin we doubt it that there could be other Thohas. But then again since these images are rather obscure we proposed the idea of it being a perch of those who their end agree with Raven beaks plans just to be safe
Personally I'd like to know what Crocomire thinks.
Of the game? He loves it. He is yet to finish it but is in love with it
Dread content let’s go
This means that Mercury Steam must have known they'd be making Dread, or at least they Dread was coming soon, when Samus Returns was in development.
Here's a question I have: how long before the series do the Chozo Memories in Samus Returns take place? Playing the game, I got a fairly strong feel of old history from them, not exactly ancient but as long as a century or so old. But my admittedly limited understanding of the timeline, along with Quiet Robe's explanation, implies that the creation of the Metroids and the sealing of SR-388 all happened a pretty short time before the events of the first game. Consider how Quiet Robe talks as if the X infestation on ZDR occurred just after the Mawkin returned from exterminating the SR-388 Thoha population, and how by the time it was contained Samus had already wiped out the Metroids on SR-388. And of course, there's the fact that Quiet Robe and Raven Beak are still alive, and that Raven Beak was apparently on good enough terms with the Zebes Thoha that he donated genetic material to Samus when she was younger.
The big thing everyones forgetting was that the metroids were designed as a creature. They must have had some sort of open fluidity to them to be able to use the aeion and mutate (someone else explains this must be how metroids were able to mutate: since they absorbed energy, and aeion was energy, they had a sort of free reign to use this energy to adapt - which is ultimately the goal of any living being, to adapt and survive). It may also be the Thoha designed them with a modicum of change-ability to allow them to absorb multiple creatures energy. A sort of "openness to design". So this DNA from a Metroid has the catch-all fluidity. We can theorize they had some magic dna structure that simply made a creature work, despite its flaws. A working bridge. It may be this original function that was added to Samus to make her able to survive their planet, since we find she has Thoha DNA and Mawkin. Thoha for the intelligence and Mawkin for prowess, and this catchall function as a bridge to make it all work together without killing the creature (here: samus). So later when shes infected with the X, this natural metroid-like function is allowing her to fight it off enough for the metroid cure to be applied. Arrogant humans, they just did it, not knowing. Heres the fun thing to theorize. If the initial catchall function lets DNAs work together of sorts, then it may have worked with the X infection. This explains why Samus can absorb X, as we know some larger armored X are just multiples merged together. The metroid sucky sucky function only made this easier, and since we have Thoha DNA that created metroids and designed them to be controlled by Thoha, we now have an ability to control these dna within, and the strength of the Mawkin to have the power to control it. This catchall fluidity also explains how dark samus came into being (got the catchall function out of her and used it to merge some other dna and farm a creature with phazon), and Sa-x, using the catchall function to merge her suit with x (we can argue here her suit must be organic in base function because she can suck it into herself (lol) and it is literally controlled by her as if it were a part of her physically (hich it can be because of the catchall function) But moving forward in the timeline for future games, i think it may be interesting if they had her try to find Chozo. Maybe for help on herself? We know the chozo spread out and explored, and apparently, different planet sects were denoted by different tribes? Some with lingering space travel capability they held onto after settling, and some still in contact (Mawkin and Thoha). It could be a good way for them to introduce new planet's, lore, Chozo tribes, abilities and powers, creatures, and interactions with pirates and space faring humans.
Hell yeah
So are E.M.M.I.'s organic like B.O.X. from fusion because I was like "Wow I'm so proud that the galactic federation doesn't use organic robots anymore" but now with the DNA thing I'm like "Wait a minute"
Emmi are completely mechanical. The organic DNA sample I proposed as a theory could simply be in the form of data. Since they were designed to specifically destroy X-Parasites they dont have any organic components to make them 100% immune to them. Its why non of the Emmi become infected after the parasites are let lose
@@TheOrpheon Thanks well I'm proud that the federation finally made a smart choice unlike B.O.X. or Nightmare also love your videos keep it up
@@TheOrpheon Also could you someday do a complete Metroid timeline if you ever have time
I did one many years ago (when the channel was rather new) and I have been wanting to make an update to it. Just dont know if I should wait for Prime 4 to just make one video or one now since Dread came out now and just update it later when the game eventually comes out. Glad to hear you enjoy the videos, and Im always happy to make topics you guys ask for. In a way it helps me choose what to do next.
@@TheOrpheon Yeah maybe it's better to wait for Prime 4 I completely forgot about it and its good that you actually take suggestions from subs that's what makes a good KZheadr
Survival of the fittest, The chaozo speed up solutions until it new problem
"Nope, nope you're wrong, it's all bird magic, your bad"
So, something to consider. In the time between the Chozo leaving SR388, the X infestation of the Mawkin Tribe, and Raven Beak’s return, Samus fought the space pirates, killed mother brain, then went on a mission to genocide the metroids, then raced back to zebes. Add onto that the events of the Prime games and the timelines don’t really add up very well.
Imagine flying to a weird planet, killing a giant bird and destroying a planet 6 times
I like the idea that raven beak already has samus dna from the beginning encounter and the reason why he let her live is like how you said either she dies or she evolves into something greater heck whenever samus talks to Adam (raven beak) the computer says “uploading data” now who’s to say there’s some more personal stuff then just the basic run down to what happened where raven beak not only already had the dna but was constantly updating as samus progressed the emmis may have originally been the means to extract the dna but after overestimating samus the emmi was nothing more then pest control/test
He's saying Raven chose not to take it and figured either she would evolve or the EMMIs would get her either way he would get her DNA
@@gokublack8342but right at the start of the final battle raven beak says that samus has become irrelevant which would imply he already has what he needs and since the emmi can only extract the dna with the killing blow the only way for him to have it is from the beginning
@@zegop5736 Yes her he says immediately after that "Do you know why? Because now I can clone an army of the most powerful Metroid ever....Samus Aran! So he no longer needed her alive he was just gonna kill her and take her DNA he was gonna clone an army of her
@@gokublack8342 it just seems weird that he would go through the trouble of taking away all of samus abilities while she’s unconscious and not get what’s he’s after
@zegop5736 Because her DNA would evolve as she did so if she was capable of getting past the EMMIs and awakening her Metroid powers then when he dealt with her later he would be able to make an Army of Samus Metroids or if she failed and died to the Emmis they get the Metroid DNA they were originally after... he was testing her Edit: He wanted to see if it was better to clone her or just extract the Metroid DNA and create them as he originally planned
the part where ravenbeak kills chozo is him purging the non war tripe ones, isn't it?
I watched your channel since I was 8-9 years old
Finally a story recap and I don’t have to waste time on a Longplay. You are my hero of the day!
Credit to masked Nintendo bandit he has a theory about what might take place in the next game at the self destruct sequence the ships that were there that's hanubia everything around them was damaged but they were gone which means they couldn't have been destroyed and the only acts that could pilots chips or Raven beak which the obliterated the x parasite quiet robe sacrificed his self to help Samus as an x and what were the only things left that were x and could pilot ships the mawkin didn't kill all the x parasite invested warriors there were many more bodies in that room where we fight the first one and the fact that the ships are gone but nothing around them is damaged means that well they must have escaped
The only real open thread that's shown in Dread is not from any of the Archive pictures, but actually in the gameplay itself. As you're making your way through Hanubia, there are 2 starships floating in the background as you make your way to the EMMI zone, however, when you make your way back during the escape sequence, the ships are now gone. It makes me wonder if they're leaving that thread open on purpose- as the X have now assimilated a spacefaring species (that has/had available ships on-hand) and now have the capability to spread to other planets.
That's probably not good 😂 essentially the equvilant of giving the Flood off halo star ships
Do you ever find it strange that how in dread the Chozo solders spear blades from both quite robes back flash backs and the actual game play, looks different to the Chozo solder spear blades in the Chozo archives?
I'd like a Raven Beak amiibo or even Raven Beak as a playable character for Super Smash Bros
Theres's tons of chozo text hidden everywhere throughout the game. I'm surprised no one has decoded all of it yet.
Hopefully they change the name of the game. It doesn’t need to be Metroid now that they are extinct.
Its something more for marketing rather than just because Metroids are literally in it
7:31 what is that thing peeking in the background?
Is there a translate feature for bird magic
3:39 Kraid is a bioweapon. He was created in a lab by Mother Brain and the Space Pirates. Clearly she made more than one, because we’ve seen Kraid like 3 times already.
Interesting theory of him being a bio weapon. Could be possible but unlikely. Kraid only has 2 appearances in continuity prior to dread. Metroid NES/ Zero Mission and Super Metroid. While Kraid does appear to be killed in Metroid 1/Zero Mission, so does everyone else. The only issue is, none of them are dead, just defeated. Mother Brain is rebuilt having memory of her first encounter with Samus. And both Ridley and Kraid are revived as well to full health. We know the space pirates have regeneration technology. And in games taking place between Metroid 1 and 3, we see Ridley is very much alive and recovering from his injuries from his battle with Samus. So why wouldn't the same be true for Kraid? And unlike Mother Brain and Ridley, Kraid does not die on screen in Super Metroid. He runs away. The Kraid in Dread is most definitely the Kraid from Super Metroid because of his reaction to seeing Samus and vice versa. They definitely KNOW each other. No clone would even know who she was let alone give af. Lastly, as another person point out, the fake Kraid in Super Metroid, is found in an area where mocktroids and other failed experiments are found, implying that instead of Kraid being an experiment himself, that the fake Kraids were the experiment. Mother Brains has no interesting in other creations, she cares about the Metroids and uses the space pirates to enforce her will. The pirates are the ines who are interested in experiments and pretty much do as they please as long as it doesn't violate orders from elite command.
@@TheMissingLink2 That timeline makes no sense though. If the Kraid in Dread is the one from Super Metroid, then how were there other Chozo still alive to capture it? Didn't they all get infected by the X parasites at that point?
Ngl, the separation in chozo races kinda makes me think of whether the space pirates in the prime games should be considered redesigns or different species of the same type of creature. The space pirates in zero mission and super Metroid are canonically different species from the ones in prime, considering they are explicitly called zebesians, whereas the Metroid prime ones aren’t, in fact, I’m pretty sure the prime ones are never given a specific name, so it could be possible.
Theres a log that implies they are the same on the Frigate Orpheon there is a log that talks about Zero Mission and how they happened to be in orbit when the mothership was destroyed and were able to flee to Tallon 4
So the Chozo were Basically the Metroid version of the ancients
8:25 soooo, he originally went to SR388 to get the metroids to no avail, then to zebes after somehow finding out about the space pirates taking the last metroid only to find kraid, but no metroid, went home and everyone got infected, thats my own explanation cuz the devs confirmed that the kraid there is the real kraid
Hmm idk seems strange the X would stay hidden that long they aren't sentient after all
What the music playing around 3:45-5:30? Seriously incredible!
Order Yet Undeciphered (Azys Lla's Theme) - Final Fantasy XIV One of my favorite locations in the game and the entire OST is just spectacular This melody is the leitmotif of the Allagans (the games Chozos if you may) and its remixed a lot. If you like this I recommend checking: Unbreakable - A Long Fall - eScape, since these are dungeons or bosses that re-use the melody in different ways. When it comes to music, Soken (composer) is a genius
The way it was a really fitting fit for what you explaining lore wise too really got the gravity of it all across.
Im glad it did, I usually try to find a song that can help match the visuals and such that arent just metroid related
I would like it if you made a tutorial for getting the best ending rewards as getting fast times is hard in dread.
Happy to confirm its the next video in the works. I am taking a small break for the holidays but the video is recorded and ready to begin editing next week! Hope you loon forward to it P.S. Charge Johanna
I didn't just finish this masterpiece I finish it twice
I saw the chozo on the surface as the x taking over and migrating to other planets, could that be where the story will go next?
Main reason I doubt it comes from Sakamoto’s interview saying that this is the end for these events and that he wants to take the series somewhere else, implying no more of this continuity. As for the ships in Hanunbia, if the Itorash crashing on the surface not only causes a self destruct but also severely damages Hanbuia, then it most likely took out the ships. Some X were hanging around in Chozo bodies for a long time for them not to make their escape before hand. At the same time you could say Raven Beak hid in Itorash to be safe from the X and possibly take down any other ships
@@TheOrpheon That makes sense
@@TheOrpheon lets just hope this continuation will be as good as every thing we’ve got so far
SOMETHING OBVIOUS TO KEEP IN MIND: Kraid can't go to ZDR until AFTER Super Metroid. The Mawkin had to have been overtaken by the X BEFORE Metroid 2. That image with Kraid being chained up by Mawkin, with one falling towards the lava, adds greater context to the glowing purplish _infection_ on Kraid's belly. You may have one question regarding that, but just remember: *Quiet Robe retained control during the ending.* So why couldn't other Chozo?
he didnt retain control, the X just got his memories and since he always wanted to help Sam, thats what the X ended up doing
@@Pit1620 And somehow ignore every single one of its instincts in the process?? Willingly get eaten? Save the last metroid in existence? It's one and only predator? Doom it's entire species? The X themselves are intelligent enough to understand that following the will of whatever it absorbs can be suicidal, the only reason an X would act the way Quiet Robe X did is if Quiet Robe's personality overtook the X copying him.
guys please clarify what’s the difference between zebesians and regular space pirates
The X outbreak on ZDR couldn’t have been contained in the way you described it. The video transmission sent to the federation shows an X parasite on the surface of ZDR, which is impossible if the X never escaped Elun. Quiet Robe describes the entire planet falling into chaos, Raven Beak barely managed to contain them, we don’t know how, but it wasn’t the way you described.
I'm guessing the robotic chozo warriors had something to do with it. The only problem is how would he recapture or destroy the X. I guess it's possible that he used his arm canon's Hyper Beam since we know it's the only weapon that could destroy them.
If you speedrun the game in normal and hard underground 4 hours, you will have new archives
4:45 I don't think that's Raven Beak. He wields a forked spear, while Raven Beak has an arm cannon, and this Chozo doesn't have the same headpiece that Raven Beak has.