Elon Reveals Starship Version 3; We Have Questions!
The latest revelations from Elon Musk's internal SpaceX presentation, covering Starship Versions 2 and 3, including enhanced performance figures and design evolutions. Includes the upcoming booster catch simulations planned for Flight 4 and potential actual catches in Flight 5.
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"What's for lunch?" LOL
asking the real questions here
Daily dose of FTS and methalox soda, anyone?
Bacon?
Protein drinks for maximum godlike physique
Your presentation was interesting however it also reflects Elon's tendency to jump way ahead of reality at the present. When it came to the questions at the end I thought 'we'll see it when we see it'.
We won’t see it. Musk is a hype man who’s fooling his investors.
None of the Mars city stuff is close to reality. Majority of the presentation was all lies and a copy of his last 2 speeches.
20:53 What’s for lunch? That’s the most important question out of all :)
Tacos
Bacon bacon bacon!!
Whoever put that line in has plausible deniability. It was just a typo! Q: What's for LAUNCH? A: Definitely not TEA-TEB.
By now most people have discovered that if Elon says 'next year' he actually means 'in my dreams'. And just like with normal human beings dreams only very occasionally come true. 😊
I had never fully understood imaginary numbers until I heard Elon make a prediction.
but dont you understand? he works 80 hours a week and sleeps on the factories floor! XD
@@LLachs283 *his workers. no I mean he totally does, he knows more than them too. A true elon certified genius he is.
@FlorianXXV absolutely. A true genious, working so hard selling unfinished products
Version 5 will be so tall, Starship will be in orbit without even firing the booster.
Space elevator!? 😉
Lots of questions raised. Looking forward to future videos updating us with the answers as they become available. Thank you NSF.
Good job Adrian and thx for the update.
Awesome.... Thanks Team NSF for the content
more pressure in the chamber can be due to more pressure in the pumps, or due to less pressure loss between the pumps and the chamber. simplifying the plumbing is one good way to reduce the pressure loss between the pumps and the chamber.
Good point. NASA did the that with the Shuttle's engine.
@20:25 "A lot of this is very notional". That's a very nice way of putting it.
Great video answered a lot of questions I had. Thank you NSF!
Brilliant detail!
Well done guys!
Thanks for the great breakdown, Adrian.
Thanks Adrian and NSF team, great update and explanations. I think they might be babying the engines to ensure they complete the mission. They can learn how much more they can push once they inspect the returned engines.
Congrats on 1million subscribers !
Amazing video! Would also love to see a video on the other parts of the presentation like Moon Base Alpha, different industries coming together for Mars development, etc. But love this technical side of Starship!
nice work, thanks
Great video, thank you for the commentary.
Nicely done!
Fascinating. Not sure how I felt like that 20 minute video only went for 5 minutes. So much good stuff in there. Live long and prosper NSF.
Cheers NSF!!!
What an outstanding overview of this prototype vehicle. You folks are amazing. Great job.
Excited...and can't wait to see them start testing V2s!
Excellent assessment of the numbers, thank you!
Great video NSF, & Adrian, Thank you, You answered many questions, but left many more to be answered!
Love the level of detail you guys go into in this vid - thanks NSF
Oh cool member’s only!
For a few hours.
thanks nsf!
A Saturn V had half the thrust of a Starship and could put over 100 tons into space. So the fact Elon is saying it could only do 40 to 50 tons means there's something really not right.
If Musk is a conman everything makes sense
Yep, this is a huge glaring warning that this development effort is on the rocks. Trying to stretch your rocke and pull forward thrust incresses which should be the impovements of several years of refinement just to get to the original performance mark is a sign of extreme desperation.
@@kennethferland5579 also when Falcon Heavy, with a third of the thrust of Starship can put 40 to 50 tons into low earth orbit, the idea that at present Starship can't do any better, like something has to really be up.
he´s sanke oil salesman
@@laurenmp7486 by how the first and the latest lauch went, I think starship can barely put itself in leo with no cargo
Fantastic presentation!! Well done!
Great job Adrian!
Thanks!
What an exciting time! I remember watching hopper doing its thing and thinking how cool it would be when they actually build a starship. And here we are.
Musk is a con its time to stop the idiot from killing more people.
WOW Lot of information!
That long Starship just won't stop haunting my dreams man..
Lucky u
Real im traumatised
Suction of the Elon member, will be a nightmare of normal humans. SIMPs, on the other hand, will revel in the 'long starship dreams', as they clean their sheets of Elon ecto 'plasum'.
I think the long design is meant to chase some marginal improvement in capability, as the spacecraft are currently underperforming.
@@dmrr7739 oh yes absolutely agree it’s definitely a performance optimisation i just dont like how it looks haha
Very cool!
This is excellent stuff - thank you. Several questions that await answers - brilliant. Looking forward to seeing & hearing about them!
I would expect a lot of the major changes to come with the next iteration of Mechazilla.
Nice deep dive on that Elon presentation. That new hot staging configuration reminds me of '60s Soviet design.
Such a tall Ship landing vertically on the Moon and Mars, seems odd now?
Congratulations
very good recap
Thank you for this excellent update!
good job
In the ring section factory clip (14:18), that fourth ring on the far right seems to have a dome on top like the top of booster 2 or booster 3 in the comparison picture (9:25)
Im a simple guy. I see a NSF Starship video, I click. Wow so original I know right
Simple is good...less to go sideways! Kinda' puts Mama's, Simple is as simple does." statement in a whole new light, dunnit?
Going to need bigger Mega bays ....Giga bays!😮
Mind blown!
Regarding thrust differences between advertised and stated (for IFT3), I'd suspect they are using older engines since the booster and ship were made quite a while ago.
Will there be a deluge system for the catch? In order to preserve the OLM, or is it unnecessary? Great video @nasaspaceflight
The hotstage changes are all about reclaiming the space lost when they retrofitted the original hotstage. Pretty sure what they have done is to bring the tank dome together with the hostage diverter. As a result the grid fin actuators need to be moved down so are recessed into the tank.
Of course, it's Adrian talking about the Long Stick 3.
More questions than answers .. marketing 102. Always leave them wanting more.
Yep, thats how I treat my Mrs.
After all, it is just marketing. Blowing up rockets is not really rocket science.
I think you already went too deep with those renders, none of this should be expected to be exact, they most likely dont know themselves
Note that the flight 3 thrust numbers were at liftoff and initial. I assume without payload you throttle down to keep the velocities the same as if you had a payload.
I hope you guys keep a separate tracking camera on the booster for this next flight.
20:55 Bacon is the answer
A safe and valid answer. Bacon always is an answer for any question that can conceivably be asked. Well played. :)
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Bacon, Discovery, and more cowbell.
@@tbjtbj7930 Also a satisfactory answer.
Those positioning thrusters may have to fight hard against a good stiff sea-breeze, unless captures will only be attempted in ideal conditions.
I think they will build the second OLIT for the new v2+3 Booster specs. So they can go on with testing v1 boosters und v2 ships. When OLIT 2 is functional they will change to booster v2 and make OLIT 1 changes. That would privide constand testing.
6:33 I noticed on the X stream for the launch attempt that at the time of lift off, the boosters fuel tank was not completely full. Check it out yourselves. It does line with these numbers. I still don't know why they did it though.
They had no payload mass on the Ship, and they didn't want to repeat the excess propellant dumping exercise that doomed the second flight. So, I believe both Ship and Booster were loaded to only ~85% of full capacity (as can be observed also on the SpaceX 'telemetry' graphics around 10 min prior to launch.)
With IFT4 planning a soft water landing of the booster some 25ks down range, will NSF be putting a starlink-enabled tracking camera on a barge 15ks offshore, and just north of the exclusion zone? Seems like a premo opportunity for a one-of-a-kind bit of footage.
Thanks Team NSF! I'm wondering... being conscious that Starship 3 is significantly taller than 1 and 2, is there anything to indicate that the launch towers are being built to accommodate this (ie taller from the beginning / could be stretched in the future (would particularly mean that the lower parts of the towers would need to be designed to take more weight than what they would initially need to carry) Thanks!
It might be that the chopsticks must be made shorter to assure they handle greater mass (at the shorter tips), and the ship QD definately must be raised. There is reason to believe that the remainder of the OLM and Mechazilla are adequate. The lifting hardpoints can be kept at the current heights/altitude of the stacked pair.
I was waiting for this! To be honest though I'd completely forget about V3 it will change a heap by the time they get to it!
Honestly - how stage zero looked after OFT-1 is peanuts compared to OFT-5 aftermath with supersonic booster smashing into the tower or one of the high bays👀
im pretty sure the booster reaches subsonic speeds before the landing burn starts. the booster would be aiming for outside the launch site when its manuvering with its grid fins (incase engines fails or it loses control) so it would prob not hit anything important. its possible that it could crash into the pad after the landing burn starts. but if it did, it would be at considerably lower speeds than that of it during free fall. also, if the booster ever diverted from its intented path towards the launch or build site, im sure AFTS would destroy the booster before impact.
That would be why it comes in at such an angle to the tower, it makes the initial decent over water. Only if things are going well would it turn to land on the tower.
Hopefully 4 on May the Fourth be with you.
Seems more efficient to have an OLM dedicated to landing (no plumbing for launching) ... still think a mobile transporter for catching is better (the "legs" would be on the transporter not the booster/starship). This approach would increase the ability of the "ground" to adjust its location ...
So the V1 of New Glenn will take a similar payload mass to LEO as Starship V1?
Whoohoo! "...Changes many...", I want to see thrust augmentation rings, Starship & booster, turning all those long flametails into propulsion!
So true
Maybe the reason that the OLM and tower is slowed is that they are designing it for version 3 super tall Starships !
Great video NSF! Exciting times ahead!
Keep smoking that hopium
@@miamisasquatch I would take this reply seriously since it's coming from a SmarterEveryDay clone
A couple of things that maid me go Hmmmm; V1 has LESS payload capacity then Falcon Heavy. The assembled employees acted as though they would have loved to be anywhere but there. V3 is probably what is required to actually go to Mars, and not just talk about it. I do hope they make V3, if for no only reason than it's just gigantic. Despite every fan channel on the planet declaring how "fast" SpaceX is, it only appears that way. They have years to go before people fly on those things, and I doubt NASA will ever allow it's Astronauts to land on earth in them.
V1 is also flying on fully reusable configuration. Falcon Heavy in that kind of configuration wouldn't be able to lift more than 10-15 tonnes
@@ale131296 No, V1 was supposed to lift 100-150 tons in full reusable mode. But thanks for the reply.
@@hawkdsl I'm not talking about "supposed". I'm saying that you're comparing the performance of a rocket in fully reusable mode with one in fully expendable mode (Falcon Heavy) which is apples to oranges.
The booster will cook the landing zone if it’s anything like the render
What is the maximum height of a booster that can be built in the megabays ? Could they tear down high bay for an extra tall megabay for taller boosters? Leaving the existing megabays for taller starships at higher production volumes?
Did You notice the differences also for gridfins? and how would they integrate in the LOX tanks, instead of being on top of them.. ?
For me the big question is why SpaceX focus on the version with pez doors only. It seems to be death end, as they can apply that only for deploy starlinks and nothing else, but there was already a lot of efforts given to stanghten structure around pez doors, try pez doors performance etc. If that version take so much effort how long it take to prepare "fuel tank" , different / bigger satellite deploy version or cargo for ISS and of course HLS versions. In my opinion they should focus on more universal version, what do you think?
They are focused on Starlink because there is no interest in Starship as a payload launch vehicle by anyone other than Starlink yet. There is still much debate as to whether this ship can get anything to orbit, let alone a commercial 100 tonne payload, so designing payload mechanisms seems premature. In addition, NASA is paying for human rated to support Artemis. Do you see anything like life support apparatus yet? This is just another Elon con.
Maybe we will see a new version of the booster after the new stage zero.
Oooooh I'm all special!
Removing the heat shield on super heavy is wild
Probably a raptor 3-boost with a bigger combustion chamber and less specific impulse. 20x 330 tons and 13x 280 tons is around 10'000 tons.
Great video. I hope we get some of these answers soon. It would be amazing if Elon would do a subscriber space and address some of these questions with us.
It seems like we are being offered a significant upgrade in the next version to a capability below what was talked about for this version.
You've finally started to realize Elon is full of shit?
Let me know when someone else single-handedly flies and lands a hundred partially-reusable rockets a year, until then stop whining.
@@kargaroc386 that is the “your father works hard to feed this family so when he hits you keep your mouth shut” excuse for spacex here.
@@opcn18 that is the "I was abused so I'm fucking braindead and can only think in terms of abuse metaphors" response here
@@kargaroc386 they signed a contract with NASA to land a rocket on the moon in 2027 and still nobody is able to name the number of Starships they would need to refill in orbit in ITC3 they had issues with playing straight and opening a door Don't you think that is fishy?
Raptor is fuckin sick. That's all i got to say.
there going to have to increase the size of the launch tower for upgrade version 3 possibly 2 as well as how would they get astronauts in there
nice
Its just amazing to me how the stack could take the pressure of all those raptors pushing upward with the mass of Starship and 100 tons of payload pressing down at the same time. Wow.
It hasn't.
13:50 Hot staging like on a Soyuz rockets
On the infographic detailing the future Starships v2 and v3 look skinnier than the current gen. I wonder if that was intentional or not?
I wonder if the current pad setup could even handle the power of a starship V3 launch
Curious, what happened to Super Heavy and Starship? Those titles aren’t used anymore.
They are but only when talking about the booster and second stage seperately.
Question, Do you think that starship could be landed on the current drone ship fleet that F9 Booster lands on? I appreciate its much wider but with the accuracy needed to catch with the chopsticks, they could fine tune the positioning out in the ocean before trying a catch.
Landing legs?
2 videos one day? epic
It seems (looking at how part of the heat shield now appears behind them) that ship V2/3 have the smaller, multiplanar and tilted forward flaps Elon mentioned 3 years ago.
I’m not sure if it was pointed out in the video that inner rings of raptors on v2 & v3 booster are mounted lower than outer ring and nozzles do not form a flat surface anymore? That might be due to more space effectively used for propellent/oxygen tanks (missing vollume from all those calculations found in the aft section) and tank dome’s shape dictating this offset in engine placement. What do you guys think?
The inner engines are already mounted lower on the current version than the outer engines. This is due to the inner Raptors being attached to the plate which is attached to the aft dome while the outer engines are attached to the outer rim of the bottom of the booster so the center engines stick out further down than the outer engines.
@@ale131296 thank you for your well informed answer. Still… Have a look at 15:07 and compare: on those new renders the staged vertical offset of engines mount positions is more prominent and obvious with center 3 engines protruding even more bellow inner ring.
Is the metric units maths? And when can we expect Raptor free and version free?
i will just watch as usual
Two big questions: When does the booster design stabilize to the point where it can service Artemis? And what is Elon going to do with 200 tonne payloads? (I reckon SPS)
But seriously, what's for lunch!? ❤
That's a bloody tall rocket!