It kind of feels like there's not all that much to get excited about from Marvel these days. Join me as I give my thoughts on every movie in the MCU Phase 4 lineup.
It kind of feels like there's not all that much to get excited about from Marvel these days. Join me as I give my thoughts on every movie in the MCU Phase 4 lineup.
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It should have ended with end game. How the hell do you continue something that has already ended?
fantastic four lame
Hey drinker do an episode on either channel about the Defiant Ones a movie that is truly organically anti racist.
Do a video on WB's decision to reboot superman, Black SUPERMAN and replacement of Henry Cavill
You missed one fact - Gunn already said in an interview that he intends for GotG 3 to revolve around Gamora, with Pratt taking a backseat. Haha So it's another Antman formula. I just felt the need to ruin the only one you thought had a chance.
“So I was lying face-down in my local duck pond...” Best intro ever.
*True*
@Keith Marshall until they shit on your head
"local duck pond" being code for Tatiana's crotch :)
Easily lol
An old lady actually fed him bread after he woke up...
The MCU is like a friend who you grew apart from. There's no anger, malice or ill will, it's just something that happens from time to time.
This is the perfect way to say it. I grew up with the Infinity Saga and will always have fond memories of it, and even revisit those films from time to time. But Endgame gave me all the closure I needed in an extremely satisfying way. I don’t need anything else, especially if the two Disney Plus shows so far are any indication of the quality moving forward. I’ll likely see Spider-Man and Guardians, maybe Strange too... but beyond those established characters I don’t really care. I’ve mostly just moved on to other things, as you said.
Eh I see them as the friend that broke my stuff and gave me crappier versions of it
@@chachwa9970 lmao
@@ShawHortonMusic wow couldn't have said better than my myself
@@ShawHortonMusic Endgame was a good ending, and Spider-Man Far From Home was a nice epilogue. Over-saturation aside, my main beef now is the whole franchise has become horribly formulaic. Same humor, same tone, same kind of action, etc. Wanda Vision looked like it was going to break away from that, but then it quickly reverted to the same old thing. Nope, I’m happy to leave the franchise on this note.
What I found odd was that the Falcon’s skin color wasn’t really made an issue until the Falcon and Winter Soldier series. I mean do you really expect me to believe that an Avenger who helped save the the Universe would be denied a bank loan or that a cop wouldn’t recognize who he is?
Especially AFTER he saved the universe and not a single time before
The writers took their cue from the comics, where racism against Falcon as Cap was a theme not far from reality. Look how poorly many Americans have reacted to the first black president. We're STILL dealing with nonsense like the Proud Boys and the Great Replacement theory.
@@keeblergraham211 uh, criticism of President Obama isn’t cuz he’s black (unless ur the KKK) it’s cuz he made some dogshit decisions, lots actually
@@keeblergraham211 "Look how poorly many Americans have reacted to the first black president." Look at how poorly the first black president handled everything. Recession? "We have to manage the decline of the US." Healthcare? "We have to pass it to find out what's in it" Infrastructure? Environmental review number 5, the last 4 not finding any problems. The Mideast? The race issues? That entire 8 years was poor by anyone's standards.
@@J-1410 Obama’s policies weren’t poor by Wall Street and Goldman Sach’s standards. They made out like bandits when he bailed them out instead of the black people and other working Americans who put him in power. So I agree there are valid reasons to criticize him, but let’s not pretend his skin color wasn’t an issue even before he assumed office. The baseless “birther” conspiracy pushed by Trump was popular for a reason.
For me, my MCU journey ended at Endgame.. I'm finished with Marvel
We all know your not 😂, watch you be in the theaters for multiverse of madness
haha seems like marvel fans are like nintendo fans. They will hate the company yet still give their money.
I will continue to watch Spiderman tho, because he got Iron Man suit
Thanos was a terrible villain Motivations absolutely garbage Philosophy: child level Character design.... the dumbest thing imaginable People should have never bothered watching endgame or infinity war
@@RedVelvetBlackleather haters gonna hate
Valkyrie: Sold people into slavery so they could die horrific deaths for... drinking money. That was it. She was pure villain. But no it's fine because that is the go to thing when, 'Hey, I saw bad things happen to friends of mine.'
Oh my gosh, why didn't I see that before, that makes total since.
also she was a "diverse female character" so it was fine.
I think that movie was meant to include a redemption arc for her when she helped free the slaves. It's not much, but it's there... sort of.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed how quickly Disney Marvel decided she *wasn't* a villain without doing the legwork to make her redeemable
and don't forget that actress support Netflix Cuties.
My favourite thing about Captain Marvel is that it seems like she's being sidelined in her own sequel
facts, it feels like marvel has heard people asking for expansion and decided nows a great time to throw in trash characters we never asked for. It seems to me marvel is like a burning boat, just trying to mix and throw together everything all at once to hopefully get an inkling of the attraction they got during the infinity arc.
Sadly, this happened to Cavil in BVS, too
yeah captain marvel will be the gal from wandavision, antman will be a wasp movie, thor will be she-thor and strong female character. I guess if it's any consolation also, the shulk movie will be better than ruffalo's idiocy. want to see shulk and daredevil arrgh. and never got to see hulk vs thing :(
I heard she quit being Cap. Marvel
@@PNWAffliction i believe she-hulk will actually be pretty good as well as the new spider man movie with daredevil, some hope left for marvel lmao
What the MCU needed for phase 4 was actually an exercise in restraint. For phases 1-3 to span that many years, with that many high-quality movies, with so many perfectly-cast characters that became fan favourites and to then wrap it all up in the juggernaut that was infinity war/endgame was truly a remarkable feat. It was also, unfortunately for marvel, a once-in-a-career kinda thing. They wanted to ride the momentum into phase 4 but they actually needed to give people a break. Fans had been so emotionally invested in the infinity war saga for so long that it was exhausting, and endgame seemed to signal a time to just *breath* and let go, recover from superhero-movie-fatigue. It was way too soon to expect people to start being as invested again into so many new characters so quickly. They seemed to rush into phase 4 (despite all the COVID delays) and it all feels a bit directionless. The mostly uninspired casting choices haven’t helped. There’s a reason old-favourite Spider-Man has been their most successful release post endgame. I expect Strange 2 to do quite well too for the same reason. A break before launching into phase 4 could’ve given audiences a breather, and also themselves more time to actually plan a proper structure and direction. Also the fragmentation has been odd. In the infinity war saga it was easy; watch the movies released in cinema and you were up to date and could follow all the in-jokes and callbacks. Now tho they’ve had storylines expanded and introduced on Disney+ which isn’t available in a lot of regions around the world yet. I haven’t been able to see the shows so anyway they try to link the movies with the series would be lost on me, and I’m sure many others. The streaming shows are also saturating viewers with marvel stuff; now you gotta follow half a dozen marvel shows as well as their movie releases…it’s just a lot of marvel at once!
lets be real most of phase 1-3 was not high quality, Id say 2/3 were either shit or average. I think the problem is like you said, we needed a breather. Endgame was and is the end. We grew up with that story and those characters and it ended. Theyve been coming right back in but at least personally the only MCU movies I am looking forward too are obviously the team up ones - f4, xmen, avengers 5, while the only solo movies are about characters we already know about. Strange, thor, guardians. The disney + shows are straight ass. Your right that phase 4 having movies and shows is just too confusing and most of us arent watching average joe action/comedy shows. The only show Im remotely excited for is the guardians holiday special. No way home proved marvel can still make great movies, but the hype/excitement of marvel is gone until they get the russos back for a new avengers imo.
I respect your opinion. I for one, am not burnt out at all. They are literally following the same formula that comics in general follow. You definitely don't have to see everything but you will understand it better if you do. If you need a breather, take one. It's that simple. Come back to it later; or not. You shouldn't feel in any way obligated to watch this stuff. It's all for fun. If you're not having fun for whatever reason, stop watching. I don't understand why people complain about the MCU so much. Movies and shows that are meant to just chill and enjoy... but people want everything to be The Dark Knight and/or Logan (Thought provoking and nuanced)... but like I said, I get it. oversaturation is real. But I (and many others) would have been upset if they took that break. We all have the option of taking a break from the MCU, if the MCU doesn't take one, by simply not watching their stuff.
Yeah the marvel shows after endgame completely failed to get me interested
@@barkley8285 I’m not really looking forward to a dr. strange movie. Don’t get me wrong I love the character appearances in the movies and I also like Cumberbatch, but I still feel the same way about his standalone movie, in that it doesn’t really have anything to do except say "well, here’s our new character". The entire movie feels like a wiki page section about a character background that you read out of necessity because the character is going to appear in the future again and not because the movie itself is particularly interesting. So I’m not against more Dr. Strange, I just don’t think there’s really enough to make a standalone movie while arguing that no one in the Avengers can help him and he has to be the main character, but maybe Raimi will convince me otherwise.
@@jasan3a I feel like the only “breather” we really need are the months and months in between each movie. And Kang was more than enough to get me semi-interested again, although it might be years before we see him again.
I can safely say that this video aged well
Fr except shang chi was good
I dissagre Shang chi was boring
Except for using feminist as an Insult, especially after women were basically made second class citizens..
@@giant_rat7781 define "women"
@@rickswordfire4774 anyone who uses that is dumb as a brick
Black Widow movie feels like Toy Story 4 when after everything has been wrapped up they come back to tell us what happened to Bopeep.
I kinda liked Toy Story 4
@@alexanderruchkov7629 same the movie was actually good it's just that the original trilogy was so so damn great that the fourth one just seems eh
The Black Widow movie would work if it released after Civil War because the movie timeline happened after Civil War. This is gonna be Solo: A Star Wars Story where a fan favorite character has their own movie but the character is already dead in previous movie.
Hahaha. You nailed it
@@margarethmichelina5146 Normally I don't like prequels, and I would be excited for the Black Widow movie, but it honestly kind of looks like they're going to make Black Widow be overshadowed by whoever the other person is. Like what happened with Ant-Man and how he's complete shit at his job compared to the side character, or like how the kid in Black Panther is somehow way smarter than anyone else, including Bruce Banner. Characters that were introduced earlier should be more powerful or better in some way than brand new characters. I get that for a prequel to work, there needs to be a risk of death for someone who's not the main character obviously, but you still can't have that side character be more important than the main character who's actually been in multiple movies. It seems like Marvel is going to do the Black Widow movie incorrectly because they don't realize that for a prequel to have tension, you don't HAVE to overshadow the main character with some new person that never existed until now.
Wanda and Black Widow prove that strong female character can be fucking great if that isn’t their sole reason for existing.
They can be great if their personality isn't limited to being female
Wanda is the best written female character in the MCU
@@Zoe_C95 Ey. But give Gamorra some credit too
@@1Tenno Gamora and Nebula are great too! Feel like a tit for forgetting them
@@Zoe_C95 Yeah. Nebula defenitely had the most character development. I liked how she become like an inofficial member of the Avangers
When Iron Man 1 came out, it was so fun and exciting. Finally, a decent, entertaining and soulful superhero film with consistently solid special effects, writing and acting. There have been plenty of other superhero films out in the past, but this one seemed to be a tipping point for the snowball to fall down the mountain. Not the best film of all time, but a solid door opener to a new world of movies - superhero flicks. The issue now is that the room has been fully explored and every possible hero, protagonist, story, effect houses, actors etc combination has been attempted to the point of stagnation. The film industry for the superhero genre is a money bleached, exhausted, dead horse, and it needs to be left alone to recover. The fruits of their labour has been reaped and sowed too many times and the soil from which these types of movies come from is so nutritionally raped that forcing shit into it, funnily enough, only gets shit coming out of it. I can remember growing up seeing so many new ideas in films and often not liking them but at least my mind was expanded into new places that encouraged my tastes to grow. The safe space these films have created will end up being their own undoing.
Who can even keep up with all the movies? It's tooo much.
@@draftmagicagain1000 it's funny because I keep meaning to watch the last like, 8 avengers films but feel compelled to have to do it "properly" but the weight of having to Google which films I should watch in what order is so emotionally draining that I think fuck it, it's not going to be worth it.
The Iron Man suit are just beautiful
@Michael Henderson how does it feeling daunting to watch infinity war and endgame? Those movies are badass as shit
@@MichaelHenderson59 Captain America: The First Avenger Captain Marvel Iron Man The Incredible Hulk Iron Man 2 Thor Marvel’s The Avengers Iron Man 3 Thor: The Dark World Captain America: The Winter Soldier Guardians of the Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 Avengers: Age of Ultron Ant-Man Captain America: Civil War Black Widow Spider-Man: Homecoming Black Panther Doctor Strange Thor: Ragnarok Ant-Man and the Wasp Avengers: Infinity War Avengers: Endgame Spider-Man: Far From Home Eternals Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings Spider-Man: No Way Home
Watching this in 2023, and all I can say is; you're a prophet sir.
And here I was wondering 'Who is the roguishly handsome, oddly slurred yet still eloquently spoken Scotsman floating next to me in the duck pond?'
Lmaoooo
I love your username.
Ducky
And you wonder why Canada geese are perpetually angry.
Carl Manvers Well, you are frequenting very high class duck ponds. Can I join?
There are 3 things that could get me a little curious about the MCU again: 1. X-Men 2. Galactus 3. Doctor Doom
Don’t forget fantastic 4
@@hornsey06 Did....did you read the comment?
Yes
Fantastic 4 and now deadpools verse are confirmed to be in MCU.
@@Thorfinn_editZ1 Deadpools coming to the MCU but I don't think his movies are canon, don't make sense.
Everything you were worried about for Thor and dr strange came true ☹️
In my opinion, the most important thing they need to do in the MCU is develop a truly frightening and emotionally painful villain. Like say, Hulk, in a Maestro type story arc. Make him the main villain through most of Phase 4, then bring in an even bigger threat that forces him into a redemption arc. Maybe Knull, although I'm not versed in Knull's power levels enough to be sure if he'd be the right existential threat to force all supers to rally together. My point is, without well thought out villains going forward, MCU will stand for Mediocre Cinematic Universe
The thing is much of the hype and passion for Phases 1-3 came from a historically misdirected genre- superhero movies- finally being done right but in separate forms. Then the sleuths started to piece together the existence of a novel and ambitious macro-narative- the cinematic universe. The same way some find fun in conspiracy theories or mysteries for piecing together small seemingly unconnected events, the act of uncovering the new genre was much of the fun. Now however the novelty has worn off and any new phase is expected to be a "wheres waldo" for its connection to the rest of the films. Unlike Captain America, Thor or Iron-man, phase 4 is a game of stuffing new characters into the constraints set by the past rather than growing boundaries for new characters. GOTG worked because it was a disconnected stand alone series initially- You could worry about their fates because for all intents and purposes it was a separate universe and anything could happen. But with the Loki show and Shang-qi, the scale of what qualifies as MCU material is literally the multiverse. The cast in Shang-Qi has far less room to develop into their own mythos without Doctor Strange or Kang being in the back of your mind. I think the best move is to start focusing on villains as the source for new stories because that's fresh and untapped. But because of this I think DC will finally take its potential and start a functional DCEU because Villains are its strong suit. TL;DR The MCU's success came from its vitalization of superhero movies and capitalizing on novel story telling frameworks, as audience tastes and demand for depth grow DC has the upperhand in utilizing its darker Villains and fresh setting
@@johng8837 I gave up on Marvel at Civil War. I still watched Infinity War and Endgame, but after Civil War I knew it was going downhill fast.
@@ThaBeatConductor if you're done, why continue? Why not just live your life happily, it seems like you're forcing yourself to watch things you don't want to watch.
@@kingmonde I wanted to see how it ended. Haven't watched anything post Endgame, or any of the movies in between the two except Gaurdians 2. I think that came out in between Infinity War and Endgame? I don't remember.
@@ThaBeatConductor damn, I wish I had your... whatever you would call it, but I could not pass on movies like No Way Home and Shang-Chi, and I cannot see myself passing on the upcoming Dr Strange and Thor movies, I mean geez, they're bringing in the Fox Xmen. Cudos to you for having that level of strength.
"Featuring a character with all the charisma of a toll booth operator". I just spit out my milk. 😂😂😂
Ive met some pretty cool toll booth collectors. I wouldnt disparage those hardcworking folks.
"blue haired land whales" did it for me
Mike Ehrmantraut would be upset to hear that.
Is "milk" an underverse euphemism for "scotch"?
@@dislecsyk991 came here to say this. Good call
I used to like my actors, when all I knew about them, was how well they could act.
That’s because you weren’t paying attention before.
That’s literally your choice, I don’t know anything about actors and actresses
@@danielschultz96 Except it really isn't when we keep getting all kinds of news left, right and centre be it positive or negative about them. Its very difficult to avoid that unless you don't use social media.
@@danielschultz96 Hard to believe if you watching the Drinker's videos that you're not picking up on his references to many actor's woke virtue signaling. Not to mention that some actor's make as big a publicity stunt out of their falling in line with the woke ideology as possible. You would have to actively keep your eye's away from nearly all media outlets in order to not know anything about celebrities.
@@siggyincr7447 nope I’m on Twitter and follow people and pages I enjoy, not actors and actresses or news outlets, go on FB from time to time and I don’t watch this persons videos or the video that this comment is on, I just clicked on it and saw this dumbass comment and replied
Robert Downey Junior's Iron Man wasn't just one of the first MCU characters who just happened to be firstly presented in a his own film but was rather the guiding light of the movies which succeded Iron Man .The sense of loss after his, Cap's and Nat's death was and is continuing to be pretty impactful. The whole point is now for Marvel to be able to add new characters while creating a coherent and interesting plotline and obviously ascend the value of the ones that have been here from the start like Thor ,Hulk , Loki, Bucky Barnes , Sam Wilson and so on (something that it is already happening and it's still vague if it is going to be well handled )
I started reading Marvel Comics in 1963 and by 1968 I was buying them all, searching for old issues in used book stores. The Marvel movies that are successes are the ones that lifted the stories, dialogue and all, straight from the pen of Stan Lee. The problem was that they got too greedy. The first Spiderman movie took pieces from the first 90 issues. Too soon, the MCU ran out of Stan Lee stories and had to make up their own. Stan Lee was a genius. It was his idea to give superheroes human problems, Peter Parker being the original mold. Even Sgt Fury had personal issues, losing his best friend at Pearl Harbor and the love of his life in the Blitz. The DC comic heroes originally had none of this, but eventually, by the end of the sixties, had adopted these conflicts into their stories. The writers of today's Marvel movies aren't as bright as a birthday candle compared to Stan Lee.
Nah, the mold were the fantastic four. They had human problems from the get go. In fact, that was the entire reason for stan lee to invent the fantastic four to begin with. And i know that because he says so ;) Peter parker "just" was the first character where that concept was tailored to the youths reading those comics at that time. While fantatsic fours human problems were tailored to adults.
@@user-oo3vz2gt6v You are correct.
Me to Marvel after _Endgame_ finished: "You can rest now."
Yeah...but why should they? Every other franchise gets to keep rolling for 20, 30, 40 years and people still turn up to see those, and for the most part, like what's been produced.
Why did the MCU *HAVE* to stop after Endgame. There's a lot more story to tell and books that need to be opened and closed.
@@Antwannnn Harry Potter ran for eight films and then ended. Fast/Furious have eight films and a spin-off. The only other one I can think of, that really compares, is the James Bond franchise. They're about to release the 25th. If there are any other film franchises that have 20+ entries, I can't think of one right now. That said, the MCU released about as many films as the Bond franchise in _one-fifth_ of the time. Not to mention, the sheer scale of the MCU blows Bond out of the water. Bond is about one dude having lots of adventures. Marvel has lots of people, lots of adventures, lots of threads, lots of stories, and it goes beyond films to TV series too. What Marvel has achieved is staggering and the fact that they did it with, at times, D-list characters is even more incredible. Some of these characters have never even _been_ in films and now they're household names. Guardians of the Galaxy, in particular, was an unused, almost unheard-of property, but it was so successful (because it was so damn good), the marketing for next unused unheard-of property - Ant-Man - was advertised as being "from the studio that brought you The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy". GotG went from people saying "Guardians of the what-now?" to being on posters next to the fucking Avengers. That unprecedented success is not a fluke either; just look at the success that the Daredevil series achieved. The Ben Affleck film was released in, what, 2003? and was almost universally reviled and panned. Yet the Netflix series went from strength to strength. And their success stands out not just in and of itself, but also in the fact that every other damn studio tried to push a shared universe. This also extends to television, with The Walking Dead having multiple spin-offs and several being produced for the Game of Thrones franchise. Everybody wants to copy Marvel's formula, because it's a formula that worked. This isn't to say that every Marvel film has been a masterpiece, far from it. There are a few that I definitely have no intention to watch every again. But the overall franchise is an incredible achievement. They can rest now.
Agreed
For me it was Infinity War Fat Thor and hipster Hulk don't exist to me
Guardians 3 has a big task ahead of it. It must answer the most pressing question of our time: WHY is Gamora?
🤣🤣👍
Lol!
Which Gamora do you serve?
Probably because she is a "green" woman.
@@nonymous0009racism
I would have LOVED to see M'Baku take over as Black Panther. He has such a great character arc. First testing T'Challa's worthiness to rule. Then accepting his rule but returning to their home while not yet humble or or ready to trust the other clans. When T'Challa came to him for aid M'Baku realised that T'Challa did not believe himself to be above M'Baku's clan and truly Valued M'Baku and his people. In this last encounter M"Baku learnt humility and that a Leader is willing to admit when he needs help and to be humble in his rule. T'Challa became great Allies and Friends. With the Performance from M'Baku in Infinity War I feel He as Earned the role and Title of Black Panther similarly to Sam with Rodgers.
Or, hear me!!! JUST FUCKING RECAST T’CHALLA!!!!!!
@@MogulMaurice they should.
Mbaku no. He's man ape
@@christianandrade2973 alright Christian.
I think that would be cool too cause I feel like Shuri's place is with the tech stuff. She knows her strengths and knows that her mind is more valuable to her and her people than being the black panther. I think that is the female characters we need. Kinda like natasha as well, she knows she's not on the same level of strength as iron man or thor so she flies the planes, does the spy stuff and use interrogation tactics and cleverness to help her team. Knowing when not to be put in the spotlight is a kind of strength as well imo
I'm watching this in 2023, and u LITERALLY predicted EVERYTHING!!
A Back Widow Movie would’ve been perfect before to End Game, as it would’ve made her sacrifice even more emotional. - What’s the point now?
The end stinger basically has to have her be revived somehow for it to matter
So you can feel sad on your 50th re-watch you swine!
They will use it to bring her past version to the present.
@@Radhaugo108 people get insulted and offended over everything nowadays......
for thunderbolts and black widow replacement, not excited for the later
“Unspecified virus of unknown origin” always gets me
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We can always determine Evil from Good. Good shines within the light of exposure. Evil must exist within darkness. Censorship , bullying into silence, bans etc. We know that Satan's minions rule this earth because of the degree of censorship such as how China released a deadly (to dying elderly people) virus and no world agency talks about it and actively attempts to cover it up.
well theory that China made it is one i believe still, clearly it was release to try lower population, or have government able to control their populous
Same!
Always😁😂
This video aged like fine wine 🍷
Wdym? Do you mean that It aged poorly or well? In my opinion I don’t like the new films that came out
@@infernoboy7392 that’s what the saying means lol. I was being sarcastic. I agree with you
@@Dontez82 I thought normally when someone says aged liked wine means that it didn’t happen and the opposite happened
Watching this right now is so funny, even funnier than it was two years ago 😂
MCU's biggest crime was casting Mads Mikkelsen as Kaecilius in Doctor Strange. Because now any other man who portrays Victor Von Doom in the future will not be Mads Mikkelsen.
Not necessarily, Chris Evans was Johnny Storm before he became Captain America. Regardless, Mikkelsen would be a great choice.
@@TrionAlpha If DD travels from a different universe in SM3, or DS2 MoM, sure. Otherwise, they need to cast someone else.
i don’t know why but i can really see Zachary Quinto as VVD
@@TrionAlpha well it's is marvel style to cast great actors and give them 10 minutes roles to potentially ruin the big thing. Like Anthony Hopkins played the great Hannibal Lecter but the now he will be known among kids as old folk who played Thor's dad
@@senseilecuck7974 Also a great choice especially if they end up using Emily Blunt and John krasinski for the fantastic four
Rule number one: never tell your audience what to think, or at least don't make it obvious. People like things more when they feel like they figured it out themselves
It's the politics in media problem. We say all the time to "get your politics out of our movies/games" but what we really mean is stop lecturing us. Feature political issues sure, and have the characters struggle with them, but don't shove an answer down the audience's throat. Highlight the debates, but don't arrive at a prescribed answer with a finger wagged towards the camera while the main character gives their propaganda speech.
@@xipheonj I'd highly recommend watching M (1931) if you have time, it brings up a great deal of serious topics and questions but leaves the answer for the viewer to decide.
For me a villain makes a movie, if it’s just “this man bad”, it’s not that interesting. Even Sauron thought he was a good guy.
How else will they cash in on the tumblr/twitter crowd?
is just pedolliwood trying to retcon us into forgeting the hideous crime ring they had backstage...and failing miserably. i mean, besides the mentally challenged and breadtubers. who even believes their shitty intentions?
I love you TCD but I have to point out that Tony Leung really isn’t “no big names to speak of” - he’s actually a living legend of Asian cinema, kinda like a Tom Hanks in stature if you like in this part of the world.
That being the case, Marvel really shot itself in the foot with Shang Chi. They accidentally insulted the market they were pandering to in the East, and the star's drawing power was wasted in the West.
@@gen99f13 how did they insult China with Shang Chi? Genuine question, I've not heard how that happened
@@matthewlacey4198 In the original comics in which Shang Chi appeared, the evil dad character was Fu Manchu. Literally. The character was in the public domain, so Marvel picked him up and tossed him into the universe. (They did the same thing with Dracula.) Shang Chi is an original character, but "Zheng Zu" is not. The people of China, understandably, regard Fu Manchu to be a cultural insult, and they were apparently not fooled by the modern attempt to hide the origins of this franchise. So it's no surprise that this movie tanked in China.
This video aged like fine wine IMO. During mid 2022 personally I haven't felt more uninterested in the MCU since I was little. Spiderman NWH has been the only movie I've liked from recent movies. I just watched Thor and it was a kids movie. You were sadly right on this one: minute 8:35
Yep so right. Spider man nwh was underwhelming for me. I didn't watch all the previous movies so the multi verse thing was lost on me
“Who would be excited about a group of characters we've never heard of?” Bro, remember Guardians of the Galaxy?
Yeah. Like, when one of the MCU’s best films is about characters no one gave a shit about, this sounds expressly tone-deaf.
Ima be honest... you could’ve said the same about the avengers before the mcu kicked off... most people only knew the X-men as far as marvel teams went. Nobody (causal fans) would have known any avengers members without the movies. They’d be naming X-men, justice league and fantastic four members and call them avengers. The only avengers that were household names before the mcu were Spider-Man and hulk and a little bit of Thor.
Guardians of the Galaxy wasn’t WOKE BS. Word of mouth made that first movie popular.
@@bohdilama Well then where’s the woke BS in Eternals? Having an ethnically diverse cast doesn’t automatically make it woke. In fact, it’s actually a good thing. While obviously not more than the actual movie or show itself, representation in media is important.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 they say that for everything whether it’s woke or not
Always remember, “It was fun while it lasted.”
Sooner or later, franchise fatique always comes... The way Marvel have been digging their own hole but lying to themselves that the money would keep coming is hilarious.
@@Destroyer2150 Disney has sadly done the same with Star Wars . They’ve taken a quantity over quality approach.
@@Destroyer2150 Isn't Marvel owned by Disney? It would explain a lot.
The Infinity saga was brilliant. An epic that I wish was still continuing.....Aside from Doc Strange2 and Guardians3, I’m not looking forward anything coming at us.
@@BigBass-xf5yi It's not going to be as good as it was. Look at this from the point of the villain. Thanos was the ultimate, and well-built bad guy. His goal was the ultimate threat - wipe out half of all living. Sooo? What the new villain, and the new threat will be? Wiping out all living? Even if so, it will be just a copy of Thanos. MCU is coming to dark ages now. In my opinion, they will be able to build a new MCU, but after a long time, like 15 years, when nobody will remember about the old MCU, and the "diverse" stuff will burn out, and nobody will care about it, so the movies will be free of politics.
One year ago and you’ve absolutely predicted the future of the MCU lol
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Ah yes Captain Marvel, the woman with soo much "charisma" that it made you root for the Alien who wanted to literally erase everything in existence when he punched her out of the movie.
@@kumabear5229 I cheered when that happened. No regrets.
Hey, Brie Larson is no Gwyneth Paltrow. Brie does not scam her simps with fake ass products unlike the bullshit that pepper potts is pulling off.
@@fawful7457 people don't like Paltrow as well, they just dislike Brie a little bit more
@@arcojin-carlosh.9435 So scamming people is less agregious than hitting manbabies with some "sticks and stones". And yall consider Brie the SJW "SNOWFLAKE"
Honestly I'll take Larson as I can laugh at her and not lose brain cells over Paltrow's GOOP. Lol
I cared for Black Widow, then they took 3 years to release it....because money is the priority
Same. They took WAYY too long to make A Movie about her. Her film was supposed to be released AFTER Civil war- 2016, *Canonically Speaking*. But now, in 2021, This Movie is inevitably going straight to Streaming services by Mega media Corporation Titan "Disney Plus" as movie theaters are going to be out of business due to C-19 ruining movie theater experiences in the U.S. I'm afraid some MCU fans will start to burn out after This upcoming Phase 4 of the MCU.
Not money, wok eness cpt white thing was all signal no substance.
Even if i am not a biggest fan of Endgame as a whole, at least it gave Widow a great exit. Black Widow movie with Hawkeye in Budapest should have been made in 2013, now it's only irrelevant.
@@mikavirtanen7029 was just thinking this they could've done a fun tie in with other characters, set it at the time of Dark World, to explain why they couldn't get involved with that Thor event. No captain silly to the rescue
The really scary thing about prequels is that, usually if a character dies, they’re dead. If a character dies during a prequel, though, it’ll rip a hole in the space-time continuum and destroy a third of the universe. Isn’t it horrifying to realize that if Black Widow dies during the prequel while doing all her dangerous action scenes, she won’t be able to sacrifice herself for Endgame? Unless you figure there’s zero stakes because she literally can’t die, I mean...
It’s March 2022 and looking back on this you are a prophet sir
What's really sad is of all the phase 4 movies Shang Chi is the only watchable one. It's pretty bog standard but at least the story WORKS and makes SENSE from a narrative view.
I lost my shit when drinker mentioned blue haired land whale. Literally looked up from phone to see one walking in the door. Life is amazing at moments.
Omg but did you get a picture? You could enter it into that national geographic photo contest
I’m sorry that your GF has blue hair. Hang in there man!
Just shave her head bald
Normally you’d think blue haired land whales would be extremely rare and endangered creatures... ...but alas, they’re as common as fleas now.
@@redhood7650 To be fair, The Drinker never said where the blue hair was located on said Land Whales....
Well gentlemen, it been an honor. ~Band from the Titanic
Agree : ((((((((((((((((((((((((
The waters are going to be awful dark and cold for Marvel.
The amount of times I've said that line is weird. I seem to end up martyring myself in video games and in life often. ...hmmm... I might need to reconsider some choices...
@@mar10ssj1 at least they made history for being the template of a movie universe almost all studios use their formula including DC but way worse and more incoherent asf
Honestly, I agree. I had my hopes high for Thor: Love and Thunder. But instead of getting Gorr The godButcher, we got Gorr the Kidnapper.
The way phase 4 has gone so far makes me agree even more with the title of this video
I honestly stop caring about the MCU after Avengers: Endgame, the climax of the entire series that was building up to it for over a decade. Everything about Phase 4 Marvel seems more like a post script season in comparison.
And yet here u are complaining about marvel 24/7
@@anaccount9574 you can start hating something after not liking the entire failure it rolled out as
@@anaccount9574 You act like you're different, yet you're here anyway...
I still have mild hope for Spiderman 3 and Doctor Strange in the multiverse of madness.
@@jonathanhendrix2925 Lol sure buddy
I'll keep saying it: The moment Tony Stark clicked his fingers - the party was over, and they are now just clearing up the mess and trying (very hard) to kick out all the stragglers.
Should've decided to call it a day and start work on the next Cinematic universe - the MC2 with guest appearances from the MCU could've been a better bet to go off than to keep the dying horse alive.
Well they can still tell the stories of the characters who are left and they will continue too.
@@zylgp yeah the next MC characters.... with such big names as trailblazer, snowflake and safespace :D
@@zylgp I prefer the ambiguity of the MCU characters getting on with their lives and the audience using their own imagination as to what happened next. BUT I would add that from a comic book perspective, there is nothing wrong with continuing to immortalise these characters in comic book form.
@@Xingmey you do realize that iron man was a b tier character until the mcu popularized him in mainstream media. Same thing with guardians. So, if marvel does things right, they can make other b tier characters popular
We are witnessing, in real time, the most perfect definition of “jumping the shark” to date.
Revisiting this video a little over a year later. Yeah.... still "Who cares?".
"Blue-haired, land whales in their cat infested apartments", I haven't laughed that hard in a LONG time. You ARE definitely a writer mate. Perfect, clear, exacting description. You are a savage sir. Thanks.
That line was the best thing I've heard in a long time
he is a master of words.
It's funny cuz it's true.
"Land Whales" jajajajajajajajaja
That one also got me
I'm still butthurt over Mads Mikkelsen being casted as such a throwaway villain
Hollywood doesn’t know how to utilize him
he would've made a great Dr. Doom
@Damian Rubio I have! It’s nice but I prefer it when he’s not an over the top villain. Maybe it’s his accent? In his danish films he gets to be just a man next door and it shows another side of his acting that’s underappreciated.
@Damian RubioI have to disagree. But thanks for sharing your opinion!
I am pissed Hannibal doesn't get a 4th season smh
A good Fantastic 4 movie and the potential for a battle with Galactus is the only thing that could peak my interest.
bro that transition at 9:01 is the coolest shit ever and the best part is that it probably wasnt even intentional
Only a drunk scottish author could come up with these lines. "Facing down in my local duck pond"
reminds me of Lee Scott x)
To be fair the Duck pond in Scotland probably has no water in it...😉
@@derekmcmanus8615 hahaha 👏
That's me alright
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The state of movies nowadays is really sad. But it gives me some comfort that other people can see it too.
Wokeness absolutely ruined movies nowadays. If there’s a little hint of wokeness I typically don’t wanna watch it. Sadly, unwoke movies are getting rarer and rarer
It's just a shame that filmmakers probably won't realize this for another 3-4 years 😕
it's not sad. New ideas can't come without the end of Hollywood
Once Hollywood starts to truly fall apart, then we'll get better movies
@@icupnibba3533 there is a animated movie I've had in my hard drive that has been put off for awhile called "The Mitchell's vs the machines". Just watched it today. It was genuinely a fun movie to watch, doesn't try too hard, simple lighthearted lessons, and no woke bs.
Coming to this a year later. Hashtag, nailed it.
no one watched black widow for black widow, they watched scaarlet johansson
“So I was laying face down in my local duck pond” so you have chosen my support
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total Irish response
@@Jesujej lmao how?
We already passed the MCU Golden Age
Yea but it will still be good
@@lionelmessisburner7393 did you even watch this video
The only marvel movies I hate are black panther, black widow, captain marvel, iron man 3, thor the dark world, Spider-Man homecoming, Spider-Man far from home, doctor strange, and black widow.The only marvel show I've hated so far is falcon and the winter soldier. Never realized how many bad mcu movies there were until I rewatched all of the movies.
@@NobaraGamezzz you mean you didn’t enjoy the very obvious pandering of Black Panther and Captain Marvel like these other clowns? Shocking. lol…but ya I 100% agree with you. Dr.Strange I actually kinda enjoyed that may have been more for Cumberbatch and him being awesome.
@@ShockerTopper Doctor strange as a character is fine but it was the movie I didn't like.
In the comics, Shuri becomes Black Panther when T'Challa dies/disappears
I've gotta be honest you had the worst take about Thor Ragnarok and Thor Love and Thunder. Jane Foster is a character that's existed since Phase 1 and in the comics, she becomes Thor at one point. Valkyrie is a comics character who serves Odin as a Valkyrie and the only reason she "beats" Thor is because he has a shock collar on. That's like being confused why Tony couldnt catch Pepper in Iron Man 3 even though he didnt have a suit on. Also Hela is a recurring villian in the comics for Thor and she's not even supposed to matter, she's just a figureplace for the need of Ragnarok, it's to push the plot forward. I mean Tony probably didnt need to have the glove on directly he couldve made a hulkbuster type suit to snap with the stones but his contract was up so they needed a natural way to progress the story, they needed to get rid of Asgard and have the Asgardians in space so they had Hela so they needed to do Ragnarok. Not every female character has to be "Strong female character"
Comics nerd here and didn't care to enter into Lady Thor territory even as a teen. Even though it's Canon doesn't mean the masses are interested. I'm sure Thor outsold Lady Thor by huge margins so.....
@@williamfreeman6935 Didn't you know that if the comics did it that makes it instantly good?
Forget the comics, how the hell can someone watch Thor Ragnarok and assume that Thor is playing second fiddle, when he's the one driving the story? Because Hela is stronger than Thor? So what? She's the main villain of course she has to be a legitimate threat. Because Valkaryie cheap-shotted him once? Again so what? Thor was already cheap-shotted and incapacitated by that mob before she even got there. And Thor being captured is what leads him to Sakaar and everyone he needs in order to save Asgard.
The butchered Thor. All source material thrown out the window.
@@kubestraragaven4872 Yes, Thor was totally the punchline in the "Piss-off" Ghost" scene, in Valkaryie's introduction where she tried to look badass but collapsed because she was drunk off her ass, in the scene where Bruce falls onto the Bifrost, in the scene where Hela wanted a warm welcome in Asgard only for nobody to know who she is, in the "Get Help" scene, in the scene where Hela said that the infinity gauntlet in Odin's treasure room was fake, in the "Loki's play" scene, in essentially every scene with Korg, etc. /s. *Everyone* was the subject of comedic moments in the movie. And even if that wasn't the case, so what? It's not like Thor lacked serious moments, agency, and importance in Ragnarok. He's even given a powerup that he learned to control after having an internal and poignant conversation with Odin. If the comedy wasn't your cup of tea (quality or quantity-wise) then that's fine. But Thor wasn't relegated to playing second fiddle to anyone in that story.
"Lying facedown in my local duck pond" is a mood I didn't know existed. I'm gonna have to use that more often now!
Its a special kind of mood I didn't know I would appreciate this much. Beats laying down in your own faeces by a mile.
"Scarlett Johansson is still awesome, and she could probably make grocery shopping seem entertaining" funny enough, one of the film's leaked set photos was of Natasha going grocery shopping while in hiding.
Everyone's gotta eat man.
Especially if she's in yoga pants.
@@AceGoodheart "what's the difference between me and you?" *canonical Russian accent* I'm not wearing yoga pants
Mad Titan Thanos😨
@@theflyingkaramazovbrothers6 One of the missed opportunity with the character in the MCU was not giving her a Russian accent imo.
this video aged so well
The Critical Drinker: Who cares? MCU: Hey, Wanna see Toby’s Spidey again?
spiderman was overrated trash. that's what the Flash took a Twitter based oscar and not marvel.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 DC fanboy
@@uajrh1 Jealous marvel kid
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 you can’t get over the fact that most of DC’s movies are trash 😂
@@uajrh1 No they aren't. Most of marvel is just overrated woke trash. Black panther was the most overrated movie ever. No way was that as good as people say.
I'm more excited to see The Drinker review Marvel phase 4 movies than I am to watch them.
100%
Brutha? Same.
@Gwyn and Gold I wish you were wrong. But I feel pretty much the same way. The people throwing rocks at contemporary movies are FAR more entertaining than the movies. Crazy world we live in.
I have no interest to watch any movie with Disney related to it. They lost my patronage many years ago
Watch film theory!!!
There is only one man who can save the MCU now... Let there be Doom...Doctor Doom
You say that, but "new" marvel's Doctor Doom would probably be played by....i dunno...Whoopi Goldberg
@@billbrasky527 And he only gained his powers through a woman's work, cuz that's a popular way bad guys are getting set up nowadays
They will probably turn him into a dumb clown that cracks jokes every 5 seconds
the versions they've had were so far off from the original comic book character. didn't do him justice at all!
At least the marvel vs capcom doom is good
Shang chi was dope and I’m excited to see him return in other movies
I'm hanging in. Dr Strange 2 looks awesome. And Thor Love & Thunder looks crazy fun.
Mehhhhhh
Female Thor? No thanks
Im there for gorr
@@pittsburger.2486 honestly they shouldve used this to introduce Beta Ray Bill and send Thor on that arc.
Update it sucked
when the movie critic industry on youtube becomes the real entertainment.
Eh, I watch Critical Drinker and EFAP instead of movies. Have for a while. The age of Marvel has ended; the age of the internet critic has begun.
Pretty much. Enjoy JLongbone taking a dump on woke western 💩 stuff rather than having to watch it. I think the only movie I'm looking forward to is John Wick and Dune. Imagine, in the 80's there were at least 13 movies a year I'd love to binge and even in 90's there was a good number yearly, and now I barely care enough to anticipate two in 3 years.
Your 100% correct
Actully seeing the films is optional and usually not recommended unless for the laugh along
@@milkshakebarrage9581 my most favourite movie die hard with a vengeance part 2 which the stunts, location, blood and all are all real. Including those scorses gangster movies
I'm only interested in Doctor Strange. The fact that the character has never been truly tied to Avengers and basic superheroes, because he faces a different kind of threats, could represent a safe sanctuary to tell his stories.
In before he fights an oddly phalic demon named pae-niz and emerges from the battle as a strong independent woman of colour.
@@murakumo65 LGBTQP+ woman of color
@@Seti-ms9bs there's P now?
Sir, after seeing Loki I have lost all confidence and interest in Dr Strange 2 considering its the same writer. And holy shit the assfucking that writer has given the MCU
Doctor strange, spiderman 3 and the new Thor movie. These are the only movies that I want to watch
At this point the only thing that would get me back in for anything other then Spider Man or Doctor Strange is Galactus, and even then only if we learned that he himself was either a Herald or Avatar of Unicron. I mean, he has the horns and he needs to eat planets, so he could be a more direct representation of the Chaos Bringer's sheer hunger.
Agreed with most of your points but antman 3 has potential of being one of the best stories in phase 4 we’re getting kang potentially fantastic 4 depending on what we see in the quantum zone is gonna be sick
I don't know if it is hilarious and/or depressing that actual strong female characters like Black Widow have to take a back seat to the "flawless", do nothing wrong female characters paraded as being "strong". The irony is palpable.
Yea
How is it, “palpable?”
@@tolkienjr9609 Palpable: "Readily seen or heard and recognized; obvious: 'A palpable error'." Palpable: Perceptible, plain, evident.
@Gabriella Maroney A worthy lesson, that so much movie producers today seem to have forgotten or never learnt (or maybe they just don't care about it).
Yup, that's what made WandaVision worse. Not Wanda, but Monica Ramboe who's a can do not wrong always innocent Black woman who has to deal with a grumpy old white guy in a suit who barely had a character and was more of a caricature. I suppose you could apply it Wanda because she's so powerful that she just learned magic without being taught instead of Doctor Strange or even Agatha Harkness training her. I'm also sick of every villain being tragic or an anti-hero. I want Loki to be a villain again, but he makes Disney's adult femals audience wet, so he has to remain a tragic villain. I haven't seen Captain Marvel and I refuse to. I know enough about it to not want to watch it. They made Nick Fury into a joke, a pussy, and his scarred eye was from a cat scratch. I was picturing his injury as him getting stabbed in the eye or something while fighting criminals. Something insane. I guess if they had a Black man getting an actual injury it'd be "racist." Or maybe what's racist is having Nick Fury be a scared bitch so that Captain Vagina seems stronger by default. Lady Thor, She-Hulk, Iron Heart, and I'm pretty sure they were gonna replace T'Challa with Shuri even if our King had not died. R.I.P Chadwick Boseman Wakanda Forever *rips off Wonder Woman's arm thing* But really, even if Chadwick was alive and well, I'm pretty sure they were gonna have T'Challa retire. I don't mind female superheroes at all unless they're just "this male superhero but a woman." It shows that they don't care about the characters, they care about the characters being women. It's why DC possibly making a Superman movie with a Black Clark Kent instead of adapting Calvin Ellis is fucked. Calvin is arguably a big role model for Black people than Clark is, considering he's based on Barack Obama and the US President. Oh, and Braniac is his bit- I mean secretary. They don't care about having a Black Superman, they care about having Superman be Black and only Black. Same goes for Marvel with those female characters. Although, I don't think She-Hulk was ever a problem, and Lady Thor actually sold well because of the mystery. But Iron Heart is trash.
Critical Drinker makes the short list of instant clicks. He's like an angry drunk uncle (even though he's younger than me) that just came back from his millionth blind date at the movies. He's the same uncle my parents wouldn't let me get in the car with (because of his alcoholism), but when he talks or makes a point everyone listens... because he's usually right.
Sounds like an improvement to my drunk uncles. On the plus side, one is sobering up quite well after nearly dying.
I read this in his voice for some reason. (Probably because you modeled the text after his speech pattern)
We called that "the fun Uncle" 😉
*usually*. Well said.
The Drunk Uncle we aspire to be
This has aged really well.
Now that it's 2024 the Drinker's predictions were quite prophetic!
I care so little about phase 4 i nearly didn't click this video, but then i thought "Well, At least the drinker will be entertaining"
Wow same!
Ex-fucking-actly.
Preaching to the choir brother 😂
Amazing how well you put that.
Hell, yes, and the Drinker never disappoints!
Unspecified Virus of Unknown Origin sounds like a Blue Oyster Cult Album 🤣
On a slightly related note, “Don’t Fear The Reaper” is the song that opens Stephen King’s “The Stand” mini series.
Unspecified Virus of Unknown Origin took my baby away, Swept to ruin off my wavelength, swallowed her up Like the ocean in a fire, so thick and gray.
Cringey.
The UVOUO.
@@brentoutashape9141 I’ll l check it out😁
these are the few things to look forward to on MCU: Fantastic Four if they do it right for a change, Xmen new franchise, Spiderman new movies with Tom or Andrew. I will give a chance to She Hulk, and banner's Hulk but we will see. Not sure about the next New Avengers. We will see.
The last Marvel movie I watched was Spiderman No Way Home, purely based on the fact that it was a crossover 20 years in the making. Move aside, children. This one was for US. And it was pretty good. I’m content with that.
Hollywood to Japan: "What mangas should we turn into live action movies?" Japan looks at Marvel movies & Dragonball Evolution: "Can you just not?"
Urasawa naoki manga can be adapted to tv series But ain't nobody know who he is, heck, i even forgot god exist
*Alita: Battle Angel* : exists *Hollywood's P/R machine* : "hurr durr captain misandry is better!"
Disagree Japan would see marvel movies success and try it, idk why you don't think they would want success like that even if you don't like there movies
@@manuel6740 You obviously have no idea, The issue isn't "success" it's the fact that hollywood is more concerned about identity politics, making china happy and making money than they are with telling a good story. No artist worth a damn would sell their soul for a few bucks in turn make these people rich by ruining their art.
Define "success". It's hard to overstate how badly wrong live action adaptations can go; and as A:BA is basically the only one to pull it off so far, that makes it a high risk venture. If Japan went it alone with making such a thing though; that could work. (a bit like how Sony alone in the '90's produced a better and more successful games console, than gaming industry incumbent Nintendo working with a third party could, whilst also putting the ailing SEGA & Atari out of their misery in the process)
I believe theres a simpsons quote for this. Um yes here it goes. "We just heard this film existed"
I miss days (pre 2000) when no film studio would touch a comic book film. Now they just won't die...
I actually really liked Black Panther, and enjoyed Shang-Chi a lot as well, but I guess that's just my opninion
Shang-chi was good. Strong villain, good family themes, MC struggles with failure and redemption. It was good.
The _Captain Marvel_ movie came into existence so that Kevin Feige's work girlfriend could have her own superhero movie.
That sounds like spicy tinfoil haha. Never heard, though highly likely true
Is 'work girlfriend' a euphemism for someone who does 'work' under his desk?
@@fattiger6957 🥴🥴🥴
Heels Up, Bro's Down.
@@fattiger6957 much like her acting im sure she did a half ass job at that too
After watching this, I've decided to get a duck pond.
I'll come by every Sunday morning to wake from your "nap."
I've decided to get Toilet Duck.
Any quaint British village/suburb should have a duck pond.
Well it would be more entertaining than Marvels next phase of movies.
quackers: let's get this bread 🍞
It's nice to hear someone who shares my thoughts about BP.
“I’m a little Spidered out these days” oh man back then we had no clue.
I love and hate how accurate your criticisms are.
"You're right, but I wish you weren't."?
@@calemr "i wish women were less lame" sort of too
Except for Ruby Rod....he was way off on that one.
I love it.
Thought he was a little harsh on Chloe Zhao. She may be an arthouse director making films hardly anyone saw, but she is an award winner. Joker was directed by a small time director Todd Philips and look at how that turned out.
It really WAS fun while it lasted. When the Phase 1 movies were hitting theaters, we went to see every one of them all summer. It was a blast.
Iron Man, The incredible hulk, Captain America all good.
@@micahp.4356 I agree with 2 out of 3 of those but it was still fun to go to the movies with friends and family back then
Yeah I really don't feel that they could ever top Endgame. I'll still watch their films but, only a few will have that "spark" I had when watching the Infinity Saga when I was younger.
@Raijin No, it wasn't.
Yep, never again
I think that, while Marvel works on adding new and more "diverse" heroes to their movie series, they need to work on actually making their characters and their stories diverse. Most, if not all, of the Stan Lee supervised Marvel movies benefitted from this. Iron Man, Captain America, GotG, Ant Man, Thor, and so on each had their own more or less unique plot structures and distinct character styles, even if some of them might be considered archtypical. Looking at the newer heroes and their movies, specifically Captain Marvel and Shang Chi, I see a pattern developing, which seems to reduce the depth and individuality of the heroes, and the character themes all seem to start blending together: 1. Story starts with minor exposition that provides setting but usually doesn't explain enough for the audience to truly understand what's going on. 2. Introduces character who has some kind of history, but not enough is told at or near the start, so the audience needs to struggle to piece together this new character, and eventually failing because the character is primarily presented as being shallow with no strong feelings or ideals about anything. They just kind of get pulled along by the plot. 3. After quick introduction of main character, side characters are briefly introduced, then hero is thrust into an action scene, revealing how capable they already are, and largely showcasing their lack of personality. 4. Intense situations are sullied by attempts at comedy, some of which are not really funny at all if you think about it for more than 2 seconds, some of which play on stereotypes which Disney pretends it avoids. (For example, Shang-Chi was stuffed full of Chinese/Asian stereotypes. Parents planning their child's future and forcing them down a career path from an early age, Asian children excelling in education, enjoying karaoke, drinking and staying out late but still finding time to get just enough sleep to be functional at their job, and so on.) 5. Main villain is revealed or introduced, but not fought. 6. Hero has some kind of revelation or awakening, which pretends to be character development. 7. Side characters do something to show that they're still in the film. 8. Expectations are subverted, even when they're not. 9. Villain is fought and defeated with no lasting impact because they were pretty shallow as well. 10. Hero just moves on with their life, with the promise of being roped back into hero stuff. Altogether, this makes the movie feel rushed and shallow. Crammed into a 2 hour movie are many dangling threads that should have been woven together into multiple movies, to truly build a character for their plot. Each character should be having their own unique kind of struggles, as had been shown in earlier Marvel movies: Tony Stark struggles with responsibility and guilt when he sees with his own eyes, and feels with his own body, what the weapons his company makes are doing. His first movie, and a part of the second, are about him stepping up to use his money and power to be a positive change in the world, rather than just to defeat an enemy. The third movie builds off of this, and has Tony struggle with the consequences of his past behavior and actions, making the audience wonder how things might have turned out if he hadn't been such a prick for most of his life. Steve Rogers struggles with being powerless, and by a twist of fate has the opportunity to gain power. But then after doing so, he struggles between doing what he thinks is right, amd being what others want him to be. He gets tired of being a tool for propoganda (And in turn sees the difference between that propoganda and reality), and steps up to use his abilities for change. While the character does have a clear enemy to fight, Hydra, the setting and build-up are already taken care of by actual world history. Everyone with a basic education has been taught how horrible and cruel the Nazi's were, so the movie didn't need to spend much time detailing that to build the enemy's character. Again, real-world history builds the way for the second movie, as Nazi ideas were brought to the rest of the world by the scientists Russia and the U.S. took from Germany after WW2. The second and third Captain America movies further exemplify Steve Rogers' theme of choosing between blindly following authority, which can change based on the times, or doing what he himself believes is right, even when that may be more difficult and make him more enemies. The Hulk is The Hulk. He smashes. GotG focuses on characters who feel they have little or no clear purpose in their lives, about deep down really want some. So a group of differing individuals bumbles around together until they naturally form a bond and focus their varied efforts toward a common goal, finding what they wanted all along. The second movie builds off of this by forcing Quill to realize how important his new family and friends are to him, compared to the illusion he'd created about his biological family. Ant-Man is about a father who made decisions in the past that society didn't approve of, and this caused him to be removed from those he loved. He's given an opportunity to fix that, and maybe make a bigger positive difference in the world, but it's a risk. If it goes wrong, he could permanently lose that which he wants most. So he needs to make a choice about whether or not he's willing to take that risk. Doctor Strange is a unique character compared to the others. His movie is all about seeing the bigger picture beyond himself, and how the material world is not necessarily all there is to life. He's later portrayed as someone who has knowledge of things beyond normal human comprehension, and a plethora of magics (Though this is unfortunately heavily underplayed). The main appeal of his character is the nearly incomprehensible nature of the other dimensions and creatures that he supposedly protects humanity from. He's meant as a supporting character to the Avengers, first and foremost, even as a Deus ex Machina. I'm hopeful that Multiverse of Madness, coming out in 2 weeks, will double down on these themes, but I'm certainly ready for disappointment. New characters have basically no sign of a unique struggle, unless you consider Captain Marvel's anti-masculine-man message or Shang-Chi's weak family interactions, to count as such. Thus most of these new movies feel rushed and flat, when they should have been split into 2 movies with seperate plots with actual depth. It's really a shame, because a diverse cast of characters opens the way for many unique stories and inspirational or thoughtful challenges to overcome. Characters like Captain America and Spiderman can largely avoid spending time on charcter development and setting in their first movie. Captain America because his character is simplistic and straightforward, and Spiderman because there'd been like 10 Spiderman movies and shows in the previous 20 years so everyone and their uncle knew what his general backstory is. Unfortunately without someone of vision and depth themself closely overseeing future Marvel movies, they're destined to become and remain bland and repetitive.
Tbf it's hard to know which Hulk movie is technically canon at this point, but the whole "hulk smashes" misses a whole lot about the nuance of the character. There's a lot about self control, what makes someone human, dealing with a conflict of your nature vs morality. I think that (almost) every character created/introduced before 2018 has full character development. Hell, Wanda, Vision, Sam, and Bucky were all good until recently...you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain I guess.
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Disney is so excited about the Eternals they haven't spent a dime in publicity for them.
They don't want any spoilers for anyone
@@briesoldnose4161 the problem is those characters are, to put it bluntly, irrelevant at this point and time.
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 Especially since they killed them off In the comics, so synergy is out the door.
They know the movie is going to flop big time because it's trash. They put agenda over telling a good story. The best they can say about the movie is that they arbitrarily changed race and gender of most of the characters for forced diversity, two men are shown kissing, and there are nice shots of the outdoors. That's all nice, Kevin, but what's it about? What can you tell me about the story, setting, or characters? _Crickets_ They would have released a trailer by now if it were actually a movie capable of being hyped up. They are hiding their embarrassment until the last moment. Then, when everyone laughs at how terrible it is and it doesn't make any money, the media and Disney employees will rant and rave about imaginary -ists and -phobes.
Oh yeah, that happened... What are we talking about again?
Drinker: “The Eternals” Me: “the what now?!”
Me too bro
Same here, I actually thought that pictures were from shang chi :D
THIS! yes XD
You forgot: flashback to before and after Guardians of the Galaxy
Oh wow a movie full of off world powerful aliens so relateible along with a diverse cast oh boy like we haven't seen that crap before
I probably would’ve enjoyed Captain Marvel if they had literally anyone else play the character. Brie Larson is such an uninteresting plank of a person.
The final Epic movie in Phase 4 and 5 would be the battle between Women.
Misogyny ain’t cool mate. I don’t like marvel for other reasons
@@MaeMay13 Lol, I don't hate women. I just hate the pro-women ideas. Have you watched the Wonder Women 84 and Mulan? and look how those movies' reviews when you trying to bring politics and pro-women ideas into movies? lol
@@_MyNameIsAJ_ crying?
Sam Raimi hearing him talk about Doctor Strange 2 "I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye."
I really hope that he have freedom in the direction of the movie, Doctor Strange is one of his favorite superheroes besides Spiderman and Daredevil
Which raimi movie are you referencing with that line?
@@judgeholden9942 Spider-Man 3.
@@mateoreyes6921 probably not a mega amount considering the previous director left because of “creative differences” I think original director wanted to go really deep into horror but feige was like nah.
@@lfdrumming7804 wait so I heard Shuma Gorath was gonna be the antagonist and Raimi has done eldritch horror before so hearing that they aren't gonna dig too much into the horror of it all is disappointing
Marvel phase 4 gives me the same feeling as respawning in minecraft after beating the ender dragon... it's just not the same.
You just feel empty
This hits right at home
we legit have two things in phase 4 so far ...💀💀
well, i started getting into marvel during phase 4, so far its been fun
What about the wither?
When Thanos snapped his fingers, it made me soooo happy, it was the perfect ending. Since then, I've only seen Love and Thunder and Guardians 3, and I found them incredibly entertaining. I didn't watch another movie or a minute of a single show, and those movies made me soooo happy.
This aged well considering how bad love and thunder was.