The recent leaks about Marvel being extremely unhappy with Phase 4's reception got me thinking about how and why this franchise went off the rails. So let's take a look, shall we?
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Thanos was the good guy after all. He tried to prevent this from happening. He tried to save us from phase 4 and beyond.
thanos did nothing wrong
And he looked back on a thankful universe.
I don't agree with Thanos's goals, but let's just go back to before Endgame released.
If you think about it, he gave them 5 years before Phase 4 started
Now what he said in endgame makes more sense Thanos: You should be grateful
Can somebody please tell Marvel that having female characters tell their male counterparts that they have suffered more than them when the men have literally been physically abused or even tried to commit suicide is not cute or empowering? Thanks. Yours truly, a woman
Indeed. Its also not even correct
Only financial failure will get through to their bosses.
@@redalertsteve_ based alert. Women have it infinitely better than men...for the moment. Undoubtedly life will have a way of switching that up given enough time.
What can we expect from a company that fired a man over a woman’s false allegations ( and may I add never apologized for his firing too) Disney hates men
@@whenpigsfly8178 and even then, they'll get a financial stimulus from the American Taxpayer because it's so important that the plebians get their bread and circuses.
The MCU after endgame is probably the best example of failing to heed the motto of “knowing when to quit while you’re ahead.” They should of let the franchise breath for a bit then started fresh after a break and more people would be invested and ready for a new direction, it also would have been financially sound in the long run instead of squeezing all they can out of the franchise now to the detriment of its long term legacy. I just don’t care about the universe after endgame; sadly Disney seems to be burning down all their other IP’s at the same time too.
Agreed, I expected a hiatus. I wanted it, both to give the fans a break after Endgame raised the game to 11, and to allow Marvel to rest, gather their thoughts and think carefully about the next phase. Instead they plowed on, like excited Minions screaming "multiverse!" Quantity over quality
Same. I didn’t even care much for spiderman far from home, even though they consider it part of the same phase as infinity war and endgame. You’d think after making billions they would have had the sense to sit and chill for a minute and plan out the next saga and phases with the same care as the infinity saga. Introduce spiderman fully as the new central character to the MCU. Let him stand on his own without moping and running to other heroes for validation and help fixing his problems. Finish acquiring the FF and X-Men and think about how to properly introduce them. I mean jeez, they could have just taken a year off, just one, to plan it all.
that one scene where Riri tried to recreate the same flight test as Tony's mark 2 so effortlessly, even magically made the icing problem disappear, my heart was crushed, that ironman scene was vandalized by some "genius teenager" who can do it effortlessly without any notable effort at all compared to Tony who literally had to test it with many, many trials and errors, literally undermining his legacy by making it something that can easily be replicated by a girl not even a third his age, even already advancing to energy repulsor tech in the first armor
And the thing is if she had some connection to Tony or had his designs that’d be totally fine! Like Peter Parker had Jarvis so it makes sense that his suits would be prevented against the issues Tony faced because HE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THEM
This is the reason Riri needed more time if they were going to go there, Instead, they shoehorned her into Wakanda Forever. She actually DID have Tony's schematics. She burned the copies before they left the warehouse. The problem is it's a "handwaved" sentence on how she got them, or how she got the materials to build it. I remember when Marvel cared about a character's backstory, especially when it's linked with a legacy hero. Oh well, that's too much to ask, guess I care a lot less now. 😂😂
Did you expect anything different from the diverse female protagonist?
They did the same thing with shuri years before that when she made stark and banner look like complete idiots (despite their whole shtick being that they are geniuses AND they had more experience with the technology).
@@looinrims let's forget about diversity and stuff because "modern producers" will always do that shit to the point it's best to simply ignore it and actually talk about the actual problem of Riri's character development, at the very least ,I expected her to do that armor making thing AFTER she reached wakanda or something, not before those wakandan found her, like holy shit man, it's seriously baffling how she can make arc reactor that's much more efficient with scraps she found in some household junkyard, even tony and yinsen had to use extremely rare part from stark's super high tech missile, which is not even strong enough to fly mark 1 for more than few minutes and she effortlessly created something strong enough to fly for a prolonged period of time and even be able to shoot repulsor rays at her first makeshift ironman suit project I'm actually fine with her as a diverse ironman-ish female protagonist with a simple fix of her having actual development and connection as to why she is eligible to be ironheart, like for example, tony saved her and her family in the past, she got motivated, developing some smaller gadgets first, slowly building up her repertoire until somehow she tried to help others using her gadgets, getting some connections from some people she saved and getting supports in building even more advance gadgets to the point Shuri somehow caught wind of her technological prowess, secretly helping her with various knowledges and parts, and then finally got into making her first flying suit and AI system, let's see.....a single movie about her before wakanda forever should at least be sufficient introduction instead of simply introducing her outta nowhere already advancing to repulsor beam and efficient flying suit techs TLDR, yes, I actually expected something a wee bit better and got surprised at how much lower the producer can stoop just to introduce ironheart
MCU Phase 4 is like taking some random side quests after completing the main campaign.
@@jet0802 Pointless side quests is more like it
Yeah, but like fetch quests and trailing missions. Real bottom of the barrel stuff.
This is exactly how I felt.
Perfect analogy. The crappy sidestories written in five minutes. Exactly what it feels like.
Lmao exactly 😂
I think we'll all recognize the real talent here was Critical Drinker limiting himself to just five reasons.
why force yourself to do more when you can do 5 and get the point across?? sometimes 10 points is too much then you have vids that do 100 reasons why? and it's like jebus man! look at that 2 hours of someone listing off whatever it is..... seriously I agree, it's smart to limit to a smaller number cus sometimes you can do more with less
I think we've seen from Drinker's novels that he has no talent.
@@Dragonage2ftw i mean i guess
Agreed
@flashbang.. thats a recipe for disaster
Finally someone who tells it how it is… the heart in Marvel left when we lost Stan Lee
True. The lack of spirit truly shows. None of the shows or movies had a lasting impact. It was more like fanfiction. It was fun..... but nothing else
I'm so incredibly thankful that Stan passed before having to see any of this Phase 4 garbage! Nobody deserves to watch their life's work turned into nauseating swill!
He’s just a hater.
@@Jensen-C he's not a hater. He had extremely valid reasons why Marvel has gone downhill since end game. Did you not watch the video?
"Take your time, do it right, respect the source material" = make billions... "Rush it" = destroy the franchise, lose billions...
I think what killed phase 4 for me was how they took powerful characters and turned them into jokes constantly
They've completely ruined Thor
Hulk
thor, hulk, loki, bucky hell even hawkeye
Thor Love and Thunder isn't canon
and notice how they're all white men, with every single one of them being replaced by a 'superior' women (thor, hulk, loki, hawkeye, ironman, black panther and i'm sure there will be more)
"Politics is the death of entertainment." - another wise quote from the Critical Drinker
You can build political plots in your established universe. But don't insert political messages from modern world into already existing story, especially if they don't fit.
There is a reason actors should stay away from politics. If you get mixed up in that stuff, you have no choice but to piss someone off.
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
@@Mediados People only say celebrities shouldn't speak on politics when they are supporting someone or something that you dont.
KZhead is deleting comment hard on this video.
11:16 the whole time while watching WandaVision, I fully watched it with the mindset that Wanda was in fact the villain. This did not change once during my entire watch.
Based
she was never supposed to be seen as a victim. at least i hope not
You are spot on with the characters being replaced by someone younger with the exact same skill set. I grew up watching iron man and captain America. My favorite ever. And for them to just ge replaced with someone is so cringe and hurts.
You're a grown man and a movie is hurting you...
@@dallasss5658 That's what happens when you put celebrities on a pedestal, lol. These guys need to stop worshipping everyone they see on screen. Accept people for who they are, not for who you think they are. There are actual problems in this world that need our attention yet a huge number of people have forgotten how to see the lines between entertainment and actual problems that need solutions asap!. The fact that they can say a movie 'hurt's' them, shows how emotionally invested they are in things that aren't real. No wonder people don't have a lot of depth to them these days.
@@VeganGoat96 Thousands of years of human culture, billions of people that have gotten invested in some form of entertainment, a psychological system that makes us connect with people we don't know or are made up, but apparently you know best huh
@@VeganGoat96 Wow. Did you ever badly miss the point. (Hint: no one was talking about celebrities). Although I suppose it did allow you an excuse to vomit up your vapid platitudes so you probably think it was worth it to look stupid.
Not to mention that falcon is just a side kick, and the rest are female versions.
The Idea that any 2 women in any show now have to be anything but friends is really crazy.
Yeah, Wednesday and Enid's friendship was nice and believable, and it served the story. Just because those people are sex-crazed doesn't mean everyone outside of their bubble is.
Because these people see that stuff everywhere. They can't tolerate normal and well balanced friendship. They want everyone to be like them and it's exactly what they do in real life then get angry when they understand that everyone isn't like them.
@@sacha8uk facts. They're so disgustingly sex obsessed with pushing their trash onto others. Not to mention, that they push that onto children. Nasty behaviour.
*All love* is now sexual! Two men can no longer hug without appearing gay. Two women can no longer cuddle in bed without seeming Lesbian. Women whom I've known for *years* won't so much as let me hold their hands or kiss them on the cheek because "it makes them feel uncomfortable." But they'll quickly have sex with men whom they've just men at a night club. And something as ingenuous as *stroking a child's hair* now raises red flags. Mother of God!!!
Trying too push this Girl boss narrative
What's really frustrating about the Wakanda thing is that then hoarding resources and standing by as bad things happen was actually addressed in the original. It was a large part of Killmonger's motivation. So they had some self awareness originally, but now they've regressed.
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What's really frustrating about the Wakanda thing is the writers don't seem to understand how isolationist cultures work. Never, throughout history has an isolationist culture become advanced. They tend to fall behind or regress. Just look at any mountain culture such as Appalachia or look at what happened to Japan during their isolationist period.
@@matane2465 good point. I must think of old china in 13th century, which was more advanced than western civilization but isolated itself because "it couldn't learn more from others". Well, science was born and the rest is history...
@@matane2465example is silk. They didn’t know how it was made until someone snuck in and took the caterpillars in a cane lol. After that China didn’t have a strangle hold on silk. Also after they regressed due to Poppy and Opium. It was legal and snuck in. The West was isolated until the americas was “found”. But I think it’s ok to have an isolated nation on screen that’s advanced but make the shit make sense lmao. Namor was under Lester forever and used whales and swimming as transport. Wakanda had ships and buses more advanced than any other nation and similar to gechiles Thanos had and in GOG. But I guess because they had spies in other countries they would learn and take that back and use thier tech to become advanced. The first movie did discuss spies in other countries. My thing is why not do the second movie and lean into what they was doing. They helped like 8 people in the first movie lmao 🤣
@@matane2465 wakanda isn’t a real society, it is not designed to operate as such. That being said there is leadway especially since wakanda is extremely powerful in the comics. The writers are simply trying to portay the nation of wakanda in a realistic way relative to its state in the comics.
A part of what killed it for me was definitely Marvel's new obsession with "strong female" leads. They way they characterise their heroines now just pisses me off: "I suffered more than man, so I'm more deserving of respect!! I'm always much smarter than anyone else in the room!! I use force if man don't listen to me!!" Just UGHHH... That doesn't make me wanna root for them, this makes me want to punch them to stop being so obnoxious
Its mind boggling to think that we have almost as many movies before endgame then we do after it. Especially when you think that in the grand scheme of things endgame wasn't released that long ago, 3 years and 1 was a gap year due to the rona. An entire universe was gracefully expanded over the span of an entire generation, and in just two years it has been replicated with downgrades on all aspects
decade not generation buddy
In the 90s, we assumed Demolition Man was an action movie. It’s sadly a documentary that was ahead of its time.
Now we just sit back and wait for Taco Bell to have a dress code and wait staff.
Thought u were talking about the Avenger for a second lol
Idiocracy is another movie that seems like it's going to come true.
@@brittscott4673 It's a work in progress.
Demolition Man was awesome, god I miss such movies
I like to try and pinpoint the exact moment a franchise falls apart. “They’ll never know what you sacrificed for them.” And there it is
Agree. There were a few hints in endgame, but that line was what broke my love of marvel.
It was just so...... bad. Like, really, _really_ bad. What's even worse is seeing people defend her actions for her _imaginary,_ _made_ _up_ children. They are no more a reality in that fiction then her in our reality.
For me it was the insanely cringy and cheesy moment in endgame where all the girl bosses United together.
@@ericboucher799with mostly borrowed powers like pepper pots is in rental yeah thats the same as iron man and ree ree with the glowing boxing gloves lol
@@ericboucher799yeah that was pretty hilarious as well. They acted like “wow look at all these awesome female superheroes” while most of them I was struggling to remember what movie they were originally from. That scene was nothing but a wallpaper with absolutely nothing behind it
Brilliant analysis, Drinker. I have been a huge comics fan all my life and thought the first phases of the MCU were something special. Ever since, Disney’s incessant drumbeat about identity politics and shaping what they feel society should be, not to mention creative meandering, has just put me off. Haven’t seen a new Marvel property since last year now, I just don’t care anymore.
8:57 To be honest, I'd have liked to see Bucky take up the shield, because there was a ton of evidence throughout his run that indicated that he would be the next Captain America, but that was unfortunately tossed aside for the sake of identity politics that felt hamfisted and unearned.
When my wife and I finally sat down to watch Black Widow, I had recently watched your video talking about how women will always beat men in many modern movies, and how showing a man beating a woman (evil or not) is almost impossible these days. With that in mind, we actually had several plot points revealed to us: like how when Black Widow was getting beaten by a masked individual, we quickly realized that HAD to be a woman under the mask; or when the big tough guy finally gets to show how big and tough he is, but finds himself fighting women…well…it was obvious what was going to happen. He didn’t get to beat a single one and was just a punching bag. So we tested your observation, and it was completely true.
Damn
Funfact: Only the unmasked Task Master was played by Olga Kurylenko, the action scenes/"stunts" were done by a man - it's almost like Darth Vader who was played by David Prowse, voiced by James Earl Jones (because Prowse sounded too English: kzhead.info/sun/frV_mNNolnlniYE/bejne.html) and "faced" in his final scene in Return of the Jedi by Sebastian Shaw.
Before I started watching Critical Drinker I went and saw Birds Of Prey. I was absolutely blown away at how every single male, even the god damn egg sandwich guy, was a crude asshole or downright villian. It was so glaringly obvious but my friends just couldn’t see it. I’m glad you got experience black widow with someone like minded lol
I quite liked Black Widow; The early Phase 4 stuff is good, NWH and BW were genuinely good movies, but pretty much everything after these were shit. MOM is easily my least favourite movie, it’s full of cliches, convenient happenings, plot holes and more- I have went on very long rants about this shitty movie but I won’t here because I just can’t stand even thing about MOM anymore.
@@kuchenblechmafiagmbh1381 All true but don't forget Bob Anderson, who was in the Vader suit performing the fights and stunts in episodes V and VI.. 😉 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Anderson_(fencer)
I don't know how Disney managed to make the MCU's world building feel so small in the recent years
small, boring and generic dont forget predictable.
Recent years? Ur acting it has been a long time phase 4 was only like a year and a half
@@purefoldnz3070 that's what also happened to Star Trek , Star Wars etc, well Prodigy and Lower Decks is ok but live action just terrible
So small and yet so empty at the same time.
@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Well Andor was pretty great. It was something fresh and unique and you felt like there were actually stakes there no stakes in the MCU. There's very little consequence to violence (except for No Way Home).
I honestly loved Shang-Chi. Characters were beautifully fleshed out and the story was rich in detail and heart. That said ... it didn't really feel like it was part of the MCU. Just a great stand-alone story.
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Absolutely agree, I feel like it was an amazing movie but they really should have had a way to tie it to marvel more besides Shang chi’s dads organization
@@DokkanMaster Definitely agree with that part. That was a common issue throughout all of phase four, unfortunately. But the film itself was fantastic. I’d have seen it even if it weren’t an MCU movie.
But they weren't fleshed out that was one of the problems
Separate from the larger MCU? I consider that a plus at this point.
I think part of the problem is the change in the films. It used to be the standalone films would fill you in on the character, and were entirely enjoyable on their own, with nods to other parts of the universe with everything coming together for the big flick Now it seems they're only interested in the group projects, neglecting the individual ones
It's weird they made this mistake because it's exactly how DC screwed up trying to ape their original run. You can't rush the big crossover.
Everyone's reception to phase 4 is just the parent telling their child "I'm not angry, son. I'm disappointed." And then we go off and frown in disappointment
Now go to your room, Marvel, and think about what you've done.
Daughter.
@@barkydogable Okay... "I'm not angry, son. I'm daughter." ...better?
:(
"Soulless" is a great way to describe phase 4. This was an excellent breakdown.
@@sportsdude2828 It's not fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 4. Phase 3 was the culmination of a decade+ long journey that took all the different characters and plot points of Phases 1-2 and combined them into a cohesive story. It is more fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 1 - the start of a new series where you are being introduced to a bunch of random characters who don't have a common story yet.
@sportsdude It's not fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 4. Phase 3 was the culmination of a decade+ long journey that took all the different characters and plot points of Phases 1-2 and combined them into a cohesive story. It is more fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 1 - the start of a new series where you are being introduced to a bunch of random characters who don't have a common story yet.
"Identity politics" is the one that turned me off & my family in not watching marvel projects anymore in theaters or on streaming platforms
@@tejaswin5404 They're ruining Loki to please their Woke masters. That's all they had to do to lose this proudly het woman fan who doesn't care who that "offends". It was great while it lasted but Phase 4 is chucking it all into that place in space where unwanted things go.
You mean whiteless
Dredd said what we all been wanting : " someone put me back in the fridge ". 😂😂😂😂
Honestly in the past i would always be excited for every marvel project to come out, but now these days i go into a marvel movie or show thinking "Please be good"
I used to love Marvel movies too, but let's be honest: even if you just wanna have a chill time, there are way better things to do than to watch dumb, preachy superhero shows that don't even respect their source material anymore. Marvel shows are only going to get worse with time, so I advise you to not waste any more hours of your life and give up on them now.
@@galatea8554 I will not give up on it, alot of the new stuff isnt even bad, its just average, she hulk was the worst mcu project ever. But the other stuff still isnt bad, yes it hasn't been as great as phase 1-3. i thought eternals was the worst because it introduced too many characters too quick and almost half died, but i didnt hate the movie. And i saw on twitter one of the comic creators for she hulk said the shehulk show greatly respected the source material, even if thats true, it still was bad. And what kinda fan would just give up on the entire franchise completely? if you dont wanna watch something new marvel makes, you dont have to watch it, and can just watch a youtube vid on it so see how it affects overall mcu. like just getting a little summary like that while saving you time of watching a whole show you'll dislike could be good if there is a particular project you do not wish to watch?
When I left the theater after watching Endgame in 2019, I remember telling myself that "it's probably gonna suck after this. This is the peak of the mountain" I'm disappointed that I was right P. S. RIP Jason David Frank
Well you can’t possibly have a bigger battle with more at stake. Then we’re supposed to forget all that and be grateful for much less at the same price.
They forgot to bring their snowboard for the ride down so now we’re hiking back with them
Honestly Endgame wasn't even the peak. Infinity War was considerably better, and the seeds of idpol and other issues the Drinker mentioned in the video were already beginning to grow. Compare the two side-by-side and it becomes more and more apparent.
I knew it was the peak but I didn’t expect it to be a fucking cliff after that
I don't even think Endgame was the peak of the mountain. I think Infinity War was the peak of the mountain and it was all downhill from there. Infinity War was a much better movie than Endgame. Endgame wasn't terrible but it had a much less compelling version of the same villain, relied on Captain Marvel based deus ex machina not once but twice to bail out characters from situations she had no reason to even know were happening, contradicted its own time travel rules at the end with Captain America, and had one of the most cringey scenes in the MCU up to that point with the whole "girl power!" thing in the final battle. Sure, they've surpassed that level of cringe many times over since then, but at the time it stood out. For those reasons I think Infinity War was a better movie than Endgame and after IW is when things started going downhill. Captain Marvel was trash for a whole host of reasons we all know, Ant Man and the Wasp was one of the first MCU films to feature the current trend of making the female version of the male hero be better than him in every conceivable way. The cracks in this facade were showing before phase 4 even started.
Number 5 is dead on. Literally, in Wanda Vision I didn't understand why everyone pretended the guy trying to stop Wanda from doing something so heinous was viewed as the villain. Like, wat
Who was even the villain I forgot
Then they had that weird scene of him trying to shoot the children literally to remind the audience that he was the villain instead of her. I liked the show but it's very weird indeed.
@Justap Erson what's even weirder is that the children were fake, so he wasn't trying to kill kids, he was trying to stop super-powered projections of a madwoman
And there are literal brain dead Neanderthals who praised and loved Wanda for what she did. With the lame aas argument that people deal with depression in their own ways. Yea well, deal with it any way you want, but atleast have the descency of not harming others for your problems. How can something so important be overlooked like that?
Just look at the justification for Wanda’s actions Wanda enslaved and mass murdering people: “Wanda didn’t know what she’s doing even when she knew it, it was because Darkhold influenced her.” Wanda messed with Tony’s mind into creating Ultron and messed with Bruce’s mind into killing civilians: “Nah, Tony and Bruce are weak-willed pussies. If they are really that good person in the first place, they wouldn’t have their minds controlled easily.” Always a victim, never at fault for her own actions.
Did you know that for Loki they hired writer who literally hates Loki and didnt even remember correctly the events of the first Thor movie? And director who before the show directed like 1 project? And as female lead,the female Loki, they hired actress who wasnt even a fan of Loki and didnt even remember the Thor movies properly when she got the job?
I genuinely thought you said "nuts in a shoe" about Chadwick Boseman dying. But I'm four shots of Bulleit in. What a feature!
“Replacing your favorite superhero is simple and mundane as upgrading your phone to a newer model” that is very well said.
Just cross out "your favorite superhero" and write in "you", and you will see why they do this: that's what the globalists think of people.
From their Corporate point of view, anyway
The one difference in Boseman's case is they did not need to get rid of the character, but they chose to do so, and played on the actors' real-life grief over Boseman's loss.
I liked the way Wakanda Forever used that to create some "real" moments of loss. We got the actually see people grieve and those scene did a solid job. But as others have mentioned Black Panther was "snapped" for 5 years. The easiest path (yes Shuri took up the mantle of BP in the comics) was to have M'Baku take the lead. He challenged BP and fought for the throne of Wakanda. M'Baku had already completed most of a hero's journey and showed real growth in WF (that speech about "They view him as a god, we can't kill him." was incredible). If Disney wants to continue a Wakanda franchise, M'Baku is the lead.
I actually liked Wakanda Forever, yet I can understand why so many people have negative views about this movies. I think that had WF been made into a 5-part series for Disney+, this could have then led to a different Black Panther sequel with Wakanda Forever being the bridge between the first BP movie and it’s sequel.
Peak emotional exploitation by Disney. Bob Chapek couldn't be fired quick enough but at the same time, it's not like Bob Iger will turn things around and get back to creatively refreshing ideas, either.
@@AdderTude Bob Iger was the reason behind the decline of Disney content in general since 2005. Chapek has only been CEO for barely a year. These projects take at least 2-3 years of development before we hear about them. All the projects that have come out “under” Chapek were greenlit and developed under Iger’s management. Disney is going in the ground especially since Iger said they aren’t changing the direction they are heading in and they don’t feel they are being political at all.
@@GLJosh Mostly, yes. But those scenes just didn't really fit in the movie. And yet, if you remove those scenes, you have a pretty shit movie. Which is rather the definition of an exploitation movie; if something is included as the hook to make an otherwise lackluster movie remotely interesting, it's exploiting that to save itself. Disney had to include that shit to avoid being another bomb.
As a standalone origin story movie, I really enjoyed shang chi
Same that’s the only point I disagreed with him, Shang Chi was actually good. Only part that annoyed me was Shang Chi’s girlfriend (forgot her name lol) was kinda cringe at times 😂
Here's something that could have tied the 4th phase together: a consequence for meddling with time. (If Multiverse of Madness or any other movie covered this, I do apologize. I haven't been invested in Marvel movies for some time.) Be it through some sort of entity that regulates the timestream or some unforeseen anomaly like random events happening in their world, it could have been a way for them all to address individual issues that tie into something bigger down the line. But no, we got stuck with a line-up of characters that didn't necessarily shine.
Is this a troll or is it serious? Because that is basically the entire plot of the show Loki.
@@cosmic_tkb Unfortunately, I was being serious because I haven't watched the Loki series. Nice to know that they did address it. Did they at least do it well?
@@ShadwehUmbrea personally, I really liked Loki. It has some problems but overall it’s pretty good. Your comment is hilarious then because you basically described the series, almost exactly lol.
@@ShadwehUmbrea loki and no way home are the best stuff in phase 4 in my opinion and they cover that topic amazingly
@@ShadwehUmbrea we can just forget abt everything else
I have often considered phase 3 to be telling the Infinity Saga from the Avengers' point of view, where the belief in life is affirmed and that the universe deserves a sceond chance, while phase 4 better articulates Thanos' argument, showing how the continuous thriving of life would eventually lead to complete chaos and degeneracy and that it might have been better if things just ended a bit sooner XD
MCU Phase 4: "Thanos was right."
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
This is beautiful and powerful. Might have been better if I had stopped watching after end game.
@@langanhlakanipho I'm glad that I did stop after Endgame. The bits of stuff I've caught since then has either been instantly disappointing, (Loki) or outright stomach turning. (She Hulk) As far as I'm concerned, Marvel died with Tony Stark and Captain Rogers.
Thanos was right all along, half of the mofos needs to go 😭
A correction, they did have an over arching theme to tie them together, and a villain to do the same; the message.
I think he means in-universe theme. The message was entirely meta and incidental to the thing itself.
@@Tyler_W That's the joke
I just read 'A correction' as 'An erection'. 😅
@@Tyler_W so dense.....
Nice 👍
About point 4: that IS something that has happened time and time again in comics, so I can understand why they tried. The issue is that evenin the comics, it almost never sticks (unless the original character is someone obscure the audience doesn’t care about, like the original Captain Marvel). The replacement sticks around for a few years, and then the original inevitably returns. The only exceptions are for some reason DC characters - Green Lantern, Robin and the Flash - but those titles were established as not belonging to a single person decades ago, and crucially the replacements are usually not that different from the original. And even in those cases nostalgia often wins out and you end up with a whole corps of Green Lanterns all active at the same time.
Love your videos and your takes on film and tv. I'd be curious to know what you think of the changes made to the Wilson Fisk character from the Netflix produced Daredevil series and the Disney produced Hawkeye series. Keep up the great work! Thanks!
Phase 4 is like taking a sh!t, letting it dry and then calling it art.
It's more like diarrhoea, except that you're selling it to people under the pretense that it's gravy.
Poop art has been a thing in the last 20 years, so you are not far off.
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
True, I've had shits that are more artistic than 99% of phase 4
Dude this comment right here
"Bland forgettable sludge" is the best way to describe Marvels current state
They made forgettable sludge? I don't recall...
@@ajivins1 at least 105 seem to do. Also it's called a matter of opinion. If you like garbage that's your choice
@@ajivins1 new supervillain
@@sopcannon Ah...
@@ajivins1 I get it
i agree with most of this stuff, but i genuinely enjoyed loki. it was a perfect way to introduce kang imo and i loved it. season 2 comes out this year and im excited.
I too enjoyed Loki, but tbh, I'm pretty sure it's all because of Tom Hiddleston. Loki is the character we know and love because he has an incredible actor portraying him. It was hard to get behind all the decisions the writers and directors made, but the actor made them bearable. Add Owen Wilson as a great opposite to him, and it was a lot a fun despite its failings. But when you pull it apart, it really doesn't make all that much sense. The Loki who'd been humbled by the loss of his mother and the destruction of his homeland died. The Loki who came to the TVA was a much earlier version who would never have picked up the emotional baggage of his dead counterpart from a few holo vids. He would've kept up his lying, trickster ways without a thought to helping anyone but himself. And don’t get me started on the weird relationship between him and Sylvie.
@@bucketofsunshine6366 nah the loki show was fire asf
Don't worry, they'll replace Tom with a black transgender woman next season.
Amazing commentary as always!! I really wish you keep talking about these same issues on other popular 'used to be amazing' shows. Like B99 for example, the character 'Ross' was one of the vital and loveable one, but suddenly the writers shifted and completely ruined her character by making her fall in love with a guy, she wants to marry the guy, she breaks up with him right when he is trying to propose to her, suddenly comes out as bi, sees several women, leaves the agency....and so on i mean they could have delivered the same things very subtly but they ruined that character with absurdity. Also Keely from Ted Lasso in the latest season i mean wtffffffff!!!!
My father used to always hate watching movies and being reminded of political issues and I always questioned why. I think he summed it up pretty well. "I watch movies to escape the world we live in, not be reminded of how bad it all really is. I'm already aware of these issues and I get they need addressing. That's why I watch the news. I don't watch movies to be reminded of it and if I did: I'd CHOOSE to watch those specific movies about the subject, like Schindlers List or something. I watch Alien or The Terminator to go on a visual adventure and forget the world for an hour or so. Not to be reminded that I'm a bad person with a sordid past." Why can't we have those adventures anymore? It seems everything has to be injected with a moral that doesn't match the story/adventure we're trying to escape to and instead of making it seem more real we're just diluting the plot. The cost of this is regressing away from the adventure/escape we all desire to experience.
Problem is movies not motivate anymore, not stimulate imagination and intelect. They are just a drug to give a modern consumer a high for 2 hours.
Exactly!
I don't even watch new movies unless I have VERY good reasons to believe they won't suck. Like Bob De Niro says in Ronin, "If there's doubt, there's no doubt". We already have a century of cinema at the tip of our fingers. I'd rather catch up with all the great movies I haven't yet watched, hell I'd rewatch Blade Runner for the 500th time before even giving Marvel a chance.
I choose to believe that mention of Schindler's List is low-key based
We can't have adventurous movies anymore because then we can't be preached to directly on how terrible we are by the elites.
I would never wish this torture on another person. but I truly think it would be interesting to do a supercut of every time someone in Phase 4 says "You're amazing." I feel like I'm stuck watching a self-help seminar in a hotel lobby
"amazing " should be canceled.
But, you are amazing!
It's almost like joining the tesla cult
I've gotta say, I don't always agree with everything that's said, but I appreciate that it gets addressed as part of a rational conversation with specific points, and not overgeneralized ranting with no real point. Kudos, sir, and thank you for being brave enough to talk about your opinions, and being reasonable enough to discuss them like an adult.
One thing that bugs me is how it almost feels like Marvel are hiring female actors, writers and directors that have all been sold into Marvel’s idea of “feminism,” to the point that when the time comes they have to produce content, these seeds of “what feminism in media should be” are merely subconscious extensions of the men’s expectations that have been force-fed to them. The result is almost all of the female-starring movies come out poor quality, focusing on “empowering women” rather than just making a good story. It instills a mindset of “oh, look what happens when we put women in charge, they ruin the quality of the movies,” almost like Marvel is trying to discretely implant this idea of female incompetence into our heads without us even noticing it. The problem with this is, that Marvel hires women that they know will fuck up because Marvel expects them to, and they feed these women ideas to almost purposefully make their ideas of empowerment into soulless, pandering cash-grab content, rather than just allowing women to make their own non-pandering content without passively suggesting to them how they should produce their own movies
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Seems to me that phase 4 was a great opportunity for worldbuilding. You have a planet that is desperately trying to recover from the snap, and then the subsequent undoing of the snap. They kinda tried to do that in Falcon and Winter Soldier, but gave up after that. It just became multiverses and hidden worlds. It's like a kid pulling all their toys out in one room and then going into another room to play video games. "Hey, are you going to clean this mess up?" "No, that's boring. I'm doing this now."
Yeah the snap would have left power vacuums all over the universe that could have been used to write any number of stories. I think that the infinity stones should be indestructible. Bring in Galactus or something. Now that half the universe is dead he's one hungry boi.
Thats when they catch hands
@@lennysmileyface good idea
Plus the infinite multiverse makes everything meaningless. They treated the Infinity Stones as a throwaway joke in Loki. Who cares that our heroes stopped Thanos in one world when there are infinite other worlds where they didnt?
@@Laneous14 That actually didn't make sense in Loki since the point was they were preventing multiverses from occurring and forcing only one timeline to exist. There should only be one set of Infinity Stones.
Damn, The Drinker has really gotten better. Leaned more into the intelligent dissection of media WITH comedic inserts that helps drive the point and break up the seriousness of the information being presented. I'm here for it
I so look forward to your videos. The fact that you have a big audience gives me hope.
“Identity politics is the death of entertainment”. Very well put my friend. Entertainment is supposed to be a reprieve from daily life, not a deeper plunge into the same shut we’re bombarded with daily.
The problem is that those "politics" boil down to "Side A good, Side B bad" and that's propaganda (unless it is about morally wrong things like war) Politics in media should be something like "Is side A good? Is side B justifiable?" Because then it makes the viewer/reader/player question their own beliefs and can bring some sort of discussion around it, rewarding the player/reader/viewer's intelligence.
@@thinkingboi9508 very well said, thank you
@@thinkingboi9508 That's what made Civil War so good. It gave you a dilemma. It invited the audience to form their own opinion, their own ideologies and their own justifications for those ideas. It wasn't like "iron man team is bad. Cap team is good". There was genuine conflict to which the audience could engage. But now the "moral conflicts" they could present aren't even conflicts anymore, they are presented as facts. "Men are bad. Women are good". That's it, the MCU states this as an unquestionable fact. There's no dilemma, no room for discussion.
@@thinkingboi9508 Correct, inserting politics isn't bad when it's subtle and makes the audience ask questions. Not beating you over the head with "the message." No one likes to get preached at. Heck, X-men was essentially a social commentary on Civil Rights. But Stan Lee and Jack Kirby didn't beat you over the head with "Look guys the mutants are marginalized." They were smarter than that, and they even showcased what happens when wanting fairness and equality turns into bitterness and hatred: Magneto.
IP is the death of everything it goes near.
Here is an idea... Remember when Black Widow was chased by Hulk? They should make a whole Marvel movie about that (with different chars, of course) in the style of Alien 1. At least then we can see a little emotion from the actress, unlike in the last bunch of crap we are fed. There needs to be tension and life threatening problems, not this "strong woman" stuff we are being force fed.
I'm glad Spider-Man was contained to it's own timeline. We saw how Tony's death had an effect on Peter, the audience was able to go on a nostalgia ride with Tobey and Andrew and the movie moved the overall MCU theme along. The rest of phase 4 was shit.
Oh, hell, someone really wanted romance between Wednesday and Enid? Their friendship was one of the best parts of the show! We need more wholesome non-romantic relationships on screen!
One thing I've noticed in any sort of media these days, is that people aren't allowed to be friends anymore The only type of relationships allowed now are romantic or family
these woke ppl are crazy
@@tommymarco To put it mildly
Yeah, I’m a gay guy, and I am glad I have non romantic guy friends, and portraying platonic relationships (heterosexual or homosexual) onscreen could help promote them in real life. In some ways, taking your cues from movies and such is silly, but movies/TV have always had an effect on our culture, though perhaps less now than in the past.
It would be a lot healthier of a message to state that you don't need to constantly be in a romantic relationship to be happy. Imo this is a pitfall that even good shows fall into always thinking that there has to a hamfisted romance rather than a natural friendship and that its the only way to be truly happy in life.
I think they said their plan was to give people a break and focus on smaller character-driven stories. The problem is that they can't make those. They're incapable.
Smaller stories lol, I forgot how many world ending scenarios we got in phase 4
The truth is, they had two options after endgame. Double down and start building up the next big villain right away, or what they chose to do instead. Kill off all the momentum and start from scratch campaigning entirely off of nostalgia. They chose wrong. Now that they're finally trying to build up the next villain, their fan base had diminished, and lost their momentum they worked so hard to get
@@Wahba. Not to mention that every other movie seemed to involve multiversal threats.
Small character driven stories require smaller production teams who aren't as concerned with the bottom line and more concerned with the characters. Disney just sees small and character driven as buzz words for money
They can’t now because their gender ideologies literally are incapable of not getting in the way. Watch a review of or watch the new Willow tv show to see what I mean. Even a smaller story they literally can’t not do it.
If you remember watch all the OG Phase 1 movie, they have all the same recipe, which is the core value of movie based of human struggle that we are fell the same way as audience: Sacrificed (Captain America), Redemption (Iron Man), Belonging (Thor). In phase 4, We are bombarded by Marvel of soulless heartless protagonist who care about flexing their ability, looking badass, strong physical strength rather than a superheroes developing as a person (i.e. Tony Stark from rich asshole arrogant person to be a better person, Steve Roger from internal struggling self belonging to willing to sacrifice for a better world, Thor from arrogant self Centre sibling to a loving leadership person).
I think one of the things that can’t be overstated is how phase 4 had no actual goal. It just kinda meandered around with no common link between projects. There was clearly no goal made when planning this phase and the entire franchise suffers. But hey I said I was bailing on the franchise after endgame cause I saw the writing on the wall and I’m all happy for that
Exactly. People didn't watch phase 1 as much. Only after civil war, it became good. Ever since Avengers, Thanos was teased and people felt like that's goings to end up somewhere. There's no such thing in phase 4 (only the he who remains who teased some threat in Loki) After antman 3, he doesn't feel much of a threat either. Also, most of the Avengers now are simply unlikeable.
It's a shame that they seem so afraid to make new characters and instead just keep trying to carry on with the old ones. One of the MCU's greatest strengths was their ability to take minor characters from their IPs that general audiences hadn't heard of, and make us realize why they were so cool. When the MCU started, the main characters people knew about were the X-Men and Spiderman, it was pretty niche to know more than that.
And Hulk. Prior to the X-Men movies, they were almost unknown to non-comics-nerds. The average person on the street knew Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and Hulk.
that was one of the nice things about the mcu coming from a huge dc fan. I grew up with dc, never cared for marvel. i watched all the shows (batman tas, JLU, etc.), bought the games, filled my room with dc junk, and even owned a few comics. but dc had been historically terrible with their live actions films. to the point where I was embarrassed even hinting to anyone i liked dc. mcu came along and although i originally despised it thinking i was at some kind of war with marvel, i was gradually getting more and more invested with marvel related stuff. these films were just too good to not be a part of. I even found myself looking at origins and was eventually investing more time into marvel interests than dc. idk how, but they somehow managed to crumble all that. they had everyones full attention and turned it to a "lets no longer give a shit" disaster. i wasnt expecting infinity war or end game quality, i dont think anyone was, but holy shit how they managed to ruin everything they built is beyond me. Its definitely weird looking back that they almost converted me into a marvel nut, just for me to no longer give a shit, which really sucks because I was looking forward to more marvel characters I had only heard about.
ikr!?!? there's hundreds of marvel's superpower user, the inhumans, x-men, which by itself can have a lot of groups, etc, heck, they can even use the disband of current avenger to make a plot for new avenger or next avenger, or even made a side story of savage avengers, or the runaways too which introducing... nvm, just searched about them, looks like there's a series of them already, anyway, we still have a lot of interesting heroes to be explored, even the street level duo luke cage and iron fist story sounds interesting for me
uhh doesnt shehulk/captain marvel count? and RiRi Williams?
@@devilishnessx459 well, yes, but i guess what ian means was to show a different character with different powers, schulk and riri is basically still iron man and hulk, thus, what crit drink said just like upgrading my phone, because how they written and introduced in the mcu not long after the endgame, i'm sure things would be different if they waited a few years and write them better
Every phase doesn't need a large scale threat, but something needs to run through all the movies, and Multiverse was never going to be anything else but an excuse to swap out actors. No matter what threats the multiverse holds, they really don't show up until someone chooses to travel from universe to universe, and those threats are usually local to each show.
I hate the multiverse concept.
They managed to set up the Multiverse as scary and disastrous in Loki, and then completely abandoned it when it mattered most
Larry Niven did a great scifi short story about the multiverse, many decades ago. People are committing suicide at high rates. A police officer is told to find out why. The world has discovered the multiverse and how to easily travel there and back (although the "homing signal" starts to get a little "fuzzy" as time goes by). There's a great horrible ending scene. The officer looking at a window, thinking about everything he's learned, that so many of the suicides had expressed a "nothing matters" view. He pulls out his pistol and checks the load and checks the safety is on and (this goes on for about 8 lines, slightly differing sentences/ ending the story) and puts the gun to his head and pulls the trigger. This could have been a great philosophical question for Phase 4 to address.
@@aeonversestudios01 loki also kinda fucked up premise of the multiverse because now because of loki there is an infinite multiverse and infinite timelines and it gets confusing
I think the direction aspect of Phase 4 could have been better if they introduced the Kang Dynasty and the Multiverse plot right out of the gate, albeit still very obscured and not clear. The end credits of Endgame could have shown the Kang variants Ramu-Tut and Immortus discussing how humanity had advanced beyond what they expected, wielding incredible power and unlocking the secrets of travel through space and time, all without the aid of the Infinity Stones. But they would let humanity be since they showed no ambition towards exploring the multiverse, much less knowing it exists. Still, they would keep a close eye on them for the foreseeable future. And then the end credits scene of Quantumania would have been much more impactful and tense now that the Kang’s realize their empire can be toppled, and it wouldn’t feel like the overarching antagonists were thrown in near the end point of phase 4
CD you come up with better movie ideas than Hollywood without even trying Putting a convenience store worker in charge of a fortune 500 company (ala 'Trading Places') is actually a great summary for a summer rom-com.
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Not saying I saw this coming, only that I had a gut feeling after Endgame that we had witnessed the end of the Golden Age for the entire Superhero Genre. But I never realized it would get this bad so fast.
One minute we were soaring high, the next we're falling into the heart of the sea. I didn't think it could fall apart this fast myself either honestly 😂
Honestly, I was shocked the MCU was still a thing when Endgame happened
The peak of superheroes started and ended with iron-man
I saw this coming. Over saturation accelerated the process.
I had the same feeling, which is partly why I stopped watching at Endgame. The writing was already on the wall with Captain Marvel and then the ridiculous wahmen Avengers link up in the middle of the Endgame battle.
That scolding you gave the entire industry at the end was the most accurate and brutal I think I've ever heard in my life
Guy who’s name I don’t remember: just wants to free a town, is somehow the bad guy Wanda: IS THE REASON THAT TOWN ISN’T ALREADY FREE, is somehow considered a hero.. at least, until the attempted child murder
Marvel:"We have the next 10 years of movies planned!" Us:"What's the plan" Marvel:"We don't know and that is the plan!"
Every time I see a director with very little experience hired to direct a big tentpole film, the first thing that comes into my mind is..."The studio is hiring this person because they want a puppet who won't push back on whatever crap corporate tries to shovel into the film."
I feel you there...i noticed they started pulling a lot of writers with literally almost no real writing credits (see she-hulk and Dr. Strange 2) and giving them big tentpole movies to write for. They have been pulling from the rick and morty pool alot lately. While i like the show not all of the writers are capable outside of that room apparently and some are living off the fame of one literal episode (Ms. Gao). Shits crazy.
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Or because they check off one or more boxes.
Bingo
That is correct.... Thank you for mentions it
I'm so appreciative of this channel. In a world gone mad, fellow "normies" can gather and delight in healthy doses of common sense.
Lol “normies”….you all are dorks
Except the real normies are those who ingest this content acritically like they have to
I would add that the new premise with the Multiverse gets rid of any and all tension when you know there's another version of that character somewhere. It's why they can just kill off prof X and Reed Richards in such a throw away manner because they can just get another one from a different universe should they need to. It's like playing a video game but with infinite health, literally no tension or stakes until maybe the very end when a multiverse level threat arrives. As it stands, every movie feels like filler or a spin-off rather than moving a greater story forward.
Thanos wasn’t really part of the MCU until like halfway through, years after Iron Man and Thor both had several movies, even then, in guardians when Thanos was really named, talked about and seen, unless you read the comics or read spoilers you, like I, had no clue who he was.
That scene in Endgame where Cap wields Mjolnir is one of the greatest moments of my cinema going life. Hundreds of people collectively cheered at that single moment, myself included. That's what Marvel should be. Sadly, that's not what it is anymore.
I was even there for the premiere in my local theater and when that scene happened my theater clapped and cheered, and I was completely mind blown that was even gonna happen, although there was that little tease in Age of Ultron and it came full circle. You don’t get that anymore in Phase 4
The audience I was with did the exact same thing on opening night, however, I think they cheered even louder when Thanos punch Captain Marvel with the power stone.
That was stupid.Just like Leia flying in the space in Last jedi.
That scene where all the women appeared on the battle ground together was the greatest moment in any multiverse ever.
@@fyoutube9410 we get it, you're trying to get a rise out of us. Its honestly sad.
The first half of Wandavision had me so excited for something new. If was so inventive and fresh - the first time they actually explored her real powers lol. And then it just became Avengers 14
Agreed. MCU is for children. Wandavision was a cool idea until they went full Marvel with a "mobile command center" and a bloated cast. sigh
The last three episodes were depressingly terrible. You couldn’t have wanda being confronted by her past WITHOUT THE WEIRD WITCHY SUBPLOT??? i mean CMON. It felt like an afterthought to even ME. And then there were two visions and sterotypical badass afro lady now has-superpowers? Ok sure why not-? They had something incredibly refreshing going and then what was that ENDING?!
Exactly! And that too seemed formulaic, like bait the fans and then kill the excitement
Fr. The finale is just so ass it shakes up the whole show.
What’s up warren powers
Greed and ego. It always comes down to greed and ego. Always.
Shang-Chi was about to be part of Phase 1, but it was delayed up until Phase 4. That's odd and broken for a splendid movie. A bright movie at a dark time indeed.
Thank you for never wasting our time, I value your opinion as a writer and being able to listen without self-promotion, upcoming video discussions, sponsorships, etc is quite a boon.
Me too
He’s too drunk to do ad reads and self promotion oh wait he promoted the duck out of his book
@@seanodeli7031 He promotes his books like twice a year 😂 I was referring to youtubers who feel the need to talk endlessly about their own channel and videos, and still the point you're trying to make is bad.
For a couple years now, I've been describing my relationship to the MCU as an abusive one. When we started out, everything was great! They were consistently doing good things and we were happy. Then there were a couple stumblings, but I was willing to forgive them because there was still more good than bad. Then they started to hurt me and I was having to make a proactive effort to forgive them because I still remembered how good they used to be. Nowadays, the MCU and I are undergoing trial separation, I check up on them every now and again but I don't see them in person.
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
Oooo, spot on!
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Is it just me or the first few year sucked hard too. I liked the captain america movies, the first iron man, but the rest was very mediocre. I actually liked the infinity war, ragnarok and guardians of the galaxy too, but the rest was very forgettable. I can't say that I am a big fan of phase 4 but I also can't say that any Marvel movies were great. They are entertaining and fun to watch, but none of them are great movies. I feel like the peoples saying they were great movies probably saw them as kids.The only marvel projects that were actually great in my opinion are Daredevil and the first season of Jessica Jones and both were not in the MCU.
@@bulleyes9059 Yeah didnt get this notion either. Thor 1, Thor 2, IM 2, IM 3, IHulk, CptMarvel, SpiderMan HC, Avengers 2, all mediocre movies. Even Doctor Strange missed huge opportunities with its titular character.
Over the last 2-3 years I've gotten more joy from the The Drinker ripping on all these movies & shows than actually watching them. Tbh I started to like Marvel's f**k ups cuz it just means I'll just have more hilarious rants to listen to. Sincere thanks brother! Cheers 🍻
Phase four just lacked the connections between the shows and the movies with each other besides spiderman, wanda, and doctor strange. Like the celestial literally coming from the earth itself isn't mentioned in any movie or show despite it being a planetary problem. Edit, kinda makes sense if their not connecting some, prob cuz they want to introduce new characters and want to develop and grow the characters. but should hav followed phase 1-3 add new characters but connect them together while adding character development in the process. Instead of adding new characters headed in opposite directions.
The amount of Marvel fans still hoodwinked and bamboozled because it says "Marvel" on the cover is mindblowing.
Ikr?
Marvel stans are really sad now
It's not a Marvel problem, it's a human problem.
Sheeple will ALWAYS BE SHEEPLE. There’s a reason we have saying like Lemming train among the numerous others.
Agreed. My husband being one. He gets irritated when I don’t want to watch the latest Marvel pile or I criticize the one he cajoles me in to watching with him.
That Wednesday thing! I was telling my American friends that my great grandma spent her final ten years with her childhood friend. They cared about each other and even loved her but it was NOT romantic. The fact that one immediately said "ah of course. They French kissed like sisters" made me creep out cuz how can your mind jump to something sexual about THAT?
Wait what? Who's frenching?
And then people wonder why they don't have great friendships like their forefather and foremothers. Why nobody has a Frodo and Sam friendship in their life.
@@rachelclark6393 There are people who would fight you to prove there was something romantic between Sam and Frodo
@@jager3090 Oh, yes. And that s sort of my point. To that sort of person any friendship that crosses past superficiality can truly be platonic. A person can t have deep feelings for someone in their life, can't love anyone besides maybe direct blood relatives without it being a romantic, and probably sexual thing. And that s a little sad since humans are capable of such intense love for so many people, and none of it it necessarily romantic or sexual. I personally think Frodo and Sam's relationship being romantic frankly cheapens it. It makes it so much flatter and uninteresting. What makes it beautiful is that the loyalty, trust, and affection between them is pure, true friendship. And that it exists because they mutually chose to grow it and maintain it.
@@rachelclark6393 Frodo and Sam are literally modelled after WWI soldiers who have gone through hell in the trenches together and form a bond few civilians will ever understand.
Watched "Rin Tin Tin" as a kid. (Yes, I'm old.) I was SHOCKED one day when a calvary trooper bumped a boulder and it rocked a little. Not a boulder. Probably papier mache. SHOCKED. Never looked at movies the same again. I was OK with CGI for awhile, but now, Gods help us.
The snap was the perfect moment to introduce new heroes, explore the nature of power vacuums, develop characters, build the world of the MCU and flush out possible background threats that may far outstrip current antagonists.
Me when I'm asked if I want to see a Phase 4 movie: "Nah, it'll be fine."
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
I remember when we all were speculating who the big bad would be for phase 4…. How optimistic we all were.
Phase 4 is its own villain.
The Patriarchy.
It was Disney Marvel all along 😂
We did get the big bad tho. Jsut a glimpse tho.
its the damn patriarchy
Not to be that guy but, wasn't the villain in Wandavision labeled a villain because his real purpose was to make Vision's body a weapon of mass destruction or something and he tried to kill Wanda so she couldn't stop that rather than to rescue the people she was controlling? At least that's what I got from it, but, I might be confusing things, that ending was a real mess...
A lot of us were just done with the MCU with the release of Endgame. My emotional investment reached its peak, it was well rewarded, and I was fine going on with the rest of my life without Marvel stringing me along. Phase 4 could have been masterfully implemented, and I was still done and ready for greener pastures.
Understandable - and I think Disney have no clue that is what happens. I mean, the general vibe of the staff within the company, the management; it's basically a cult. A cult for people who never grow tired, grow out of it, or grow up. They have no concept of relativity - i.e. those kids who loved their Marvel films? Well, they now have jobs, or final year exams, or kids, pay taxes, pay rent or mortgages - they aren't going ti be able to stick around a lot of the time - especially if they aren't wanted or valued by the company. Those who were watching in the older age ranges, those with settled lives and disposable income are often into 2 kids, mortgage, rent, new job, maybe a divorce, illness and infirmity of parents, and so on. They can't stay "Disney adults" - most of the Disney employees are, it seems, and they singularly fail to realise that most of the world just really isn't like that and have failed to plan accordingly. What they are producing isn't appealing (by viewer percentages) to the younger ages, and they lost and willingly dismissed the audiences they had. People aren't going to get a babysitter, or pay to drive/travel to watch, or skip a rent payment to buy tickets for; TV, cinema, parks and merchandise of such low quality.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse It's depressing to think about how much time has gone by, but you're absolutely right. That's the audience who's likely to be nostalgic over the MCU, and I don't think Disney realizes it.
Yeah. They needed to at least take a decade long break after Endgame. People are just burnt out on marvel crap now. They milked the cow dry
imo while the last "Spider-Man" was, to a huge degree, just a nostalgia wank, it still was a home run.
Endgame was the beginning of the decline in quality.
In Black Panther 2's defense, the Black Panther actually is a mantle that is passed on, unlike Ironman or Captain America.
The Black Panther mantle is to be earned in trial by combat. Shuri in the movie version MCU never trained in high level combat. Her fail body would shatter no matter what suit she was wearing. Marvel is failing to tell the proper stories. They can create whatever reality they want. We can reject just as easily
Also, the entire plot of the first Black Panther movie is literally about the villain calling out Wakanda's hypocrisy of being selfish while the rest of the African sub-continent suffered.
Nope, Not completly right. In comics, the Winter soldier becomes the next captain america. After Steve Rogers got assassinated.
And also in their defense, Black panther was introduced in phase 3, had 1 solo film, 3 other film appearances, and had the actor not retire but tragically die from cancer.
@@totakekeslider3835 africas a full continent bro
Marvel should have been put on the shelf for about five years after Endgame's release. Man...going to see a Marvel movie used to feel like such a fun and awesome event. Still have fond memories of going to see them with my high school friends during Phase 3
Marvel is like McDonald's. Best only to consume twice a year
Exactly right, Drinker. I’m not a hard core Marvel fan but I grew-up reading the comics and watching the movies . Phase 4, has totally been a horrible disappointment. There were a few things good and a lot bad. The identity politics alone are enough to make you puke. Which, is made ten times worse when the actors start talking in interviews. I’ve lost count of the shows I skip because some actor starts spewing woke garbage about the production. It’s sad watching these types of people destroy beloved properties. Don’t pay to watch, don’t ignore when they insult our people and culture, and stand-up for what is right.
Honestly, from the actor interviews I'm surprised many of the shows are not many times worse. Both 'Andor' and 'House of the Dragon' were marketed in interviews as being explicitly anti-Trump, but people who watch them tell me that there isn't even a hint of that in either show.
@@HerculesBallsInc And that you can thank the directors for. But once the director is an activist before artist and heavily biased, their work turns to shit.
I encourage to disband ur disney+ membership
Same can be said with the Woke Rings of Power.
@@LittleMopeHead it's such a vile game. I honestly think many people have realized that woke is not the way to go considering that I see a lot of memes abt biden etc lately
This is a well done and comprehensive retrospective of phase four's failure. I will never forgive what they did to the Taskmaster, She-Hulk, or Moon Knight.
The fact that I absolutely forgot about Moon Knight says a lot. It's not even 1 year old and if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have thought of this show ever again. Like many other movies/shows they've done recently. Bland generic CGI heavy shows with no substance.
@Julien at least moon knight was decent compared to other mcu shows this year.
I legit forgot taskmaster existed until the image flashed up in the video. I'd more or less forgotten Moon Knight too, though that wasn't as bad as most of the TV shows. The 23 films over 10 years Vs 15 products in 2 is the key argument for me though. They're trying to bleed it dry and make every available penny while it's hot and in doing so they are killing what could have been a pay day for years.
I have to agree except for MK, they didnt completely ruin his character unlike Taskmaster or She hulk
They also ruined the Wrecking Crew and the Abomination.
Idea about a big new threat to tackle after the infinity saga: Maybe Thanos - or rather Iron Man - did not use the infinity stones right when they unleashed their respective spell over the entire Universe. So, maybe now there is some kind of cosmic catastrophe of sorts slowly building in the background. I have no idea yet what that may be, but the concept seems workable.
I think disney is honestly forgetting that this is all supposed to be for our entertainment and instead it feels like they’re just using these movies as a way to get a stupid political message across 😐
What we’re seeing especially with Marvel is the pendulum effect happening in real time. The harder and more ridiculous they are with pushing “the message” the harder you’re seeing people push back, and just simply tune out, and give up on the MCU. It’s extremely gratifying to see people finally waking up. It took way too long, but the fact is happening makes me very happy..
To a degree. But I'm not sure if that would be true if all of these other problems weren't present. Well, you could argue it's impossible to make anything good and also woke, and I sympathize with that perspective, but replacing all the legacy characters and being woke might work if they had a good story to tell and directors who knew how to handle the size of the project while keeping their own egos in check.
Yeah I've seen myself doing this. I went into Dr. Strange 2 and Thor four hyped and left disappointed, so now I just skip marvel movies unless they seem really good. Like the only upcoming project I give a damn about is Guardians 3. I knew that Black Panther 2 would be preachy and shit, so I saved my money and was right. Watched one episode of She-Hulk and noped the fuck out of there.
@@BWMagus that would require story and character to be the focus of the films while having a next big threat undertone linking in the background. But instead they want to focus on "other things" and if they can show horn in a plot and some characters they'll worry about that later. Also the focus on "humour" where that word has lost all meaning and jokes landing is optional over simply making "jokes", they are there and constant because they are, not because certain characters are funny or unserious, it's just there, always, for everyone. It kills the tone if people can be being murdered in one scene and it's laughed off in the next. Levity is a great thing, it can relieve tension and show personality, but when it's ubiquitous it serves no purpose.
I haven't seen a single phase 4 marvel movie. Before, I would always go to the theater to see a new marvel movie and that culminated with Infinity war and endgame
@@pyropulseIXXI it was a natural stopping point. It had all built up to this, heros were sacrificed, big bad was done. It was an ending. But even though they'd made money, lots of money, ridiculous money. It was ALL the money. So they got right back on the teets and started milking again. Plus they set up their streaming service and needed anchor content to make people pay for it otherwise it wouldn't have got off the floor...
I held on to my DisneyPlus account with the optimistic hope like a parent looking at their teenage child thinking, “it’s just a short phase they will figure it out” . Nope,I was wrong I’m done with Disney. Drinker you were right good on you for seeing past the smoke and mirrors.
I think it's a big ship to turn around, especially when each movie supports the story of the next one. It feels like the success of Andor has shown Disney the true path, but it will take time to unclog the pipes.
Do you still have the disney account though?
Cancelled mine after Shehulk. Should have done it earlier but same as you, had hope it would get better.
Cancelled mine too! Even though it's only a few dollars more when bundled with Hulu it's the only way to really say you're unsatisfied. Everyone who continues to pay bc it's bundled or any reason is just contributing to the garage pile of Disney+
I think Disney+ is the reason why the MCU is garbage right now. Like Drinker said about quantity over quality. There has to be a reason to keep Disney+ and one way to ensure that is that there will be a new release coming up. How many have kept accounts because there is a new Marvel property coming up soon. We get that property and it sucks but a huge amount of people have already been suckered into keeping Disney+. I got rid of mine a long time ago as I realized that the new stuff was bland at best.
I've watched every MCU film up to endgame with my buddies. I have only wanted 2 after that, one was Wandavision and the other was Spiderman...there is just no incentive or reason to watch these shows/movies. It honestly feels like I accidentally have been watching fanfiction instead of actual marvel films.
Wow!!! I never put that together how they just took the character over to another younger actor. Wow!!! Yeah, the bad taste in my mouth
So refreshing for you to call out Chloe Zhao. She took her popularity by filming where I grew up and then headed out. She could've hired the people she worked with here to gain more recognition in hollywood. But nope, decided she took the fame and somehow ended up directing The Eternals. I'm guessing she will come right back and work with her "crew" and regain that popularity again 🤦♂
She didn't get to say very much on who and what was done. Disney/Marvel just used her as a figurehead so they could get some headlines. She admitted how little she actually got to contribute on the film in an interview with NPR
@@treyadams9719 she is no innocent either tho
She won't be back, that's a one-way ticket. But she got paid a nice fat check so there's that.
I mean, I don't think she's obligated to bring them with her. It's nice if she does. But at the end of the day it's a job. If she feels like getting new people as a boss that's not really douchie or anything, it's just business.
Thanks for being so vocal about those issues. As a film lover it's just painful watching how Disney swallows everything, turning it into shit in the process.
as a film lover it is amazing how much shit you guys give disney for bad movies when all they did was pretty much greenlight projects. you hold no accountability to bad direction, writing or acting. you just blame disney... and forget about the tons of classics they have given, forget about the good marvel movies they made, and even good new stuff they had like mandalorian and Andor. you people are all the same. you blame them for everything and and give them credit for nothing even when in both cases it is not all on the company "disneys" fault
What about all those small studios selling their soul 😥
Is funny how Jennifer Lawrence runs her mouth about man and yet the entire reason why she got movie roles is because she was sleeping with the producer.